good evening, we are from ukraine! glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. britain concluded a security treaty. rishi sunok in kyiv promised thousands of state-of-the-art drones and other aid worth $3 billion. 12 downed planes per day. zelensky was impressed by the effectiveness of ukrainian air defense. what miracle weapon did the event provide? the usa and britain struck yemen, 16 were destroyed objects. will the attack on the yemeni kushites turn into a new war?

we will talk about this and other things during the next program with our guests, the director of the center for military and legal research oleksandr musienko, the retired colonel of the great british army glen grant, and the political expert volodymyr tsibulko. in the second part of our program, we will have a journalist club, tetyana vysotska, olga musafirova and oleksiy mustafin. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you see how the verkhovna rada is doing prime minister of great britain rishi sunak was met by ukrainians today, and how he was applauded by the hall.

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then obviously the current war would not have happened, after signing the agreement, president volodymyr zelenskyi and the prime minister of great britain briefly outlined the main provisions of this document, let's listen. that is why the guarantees provided will be valid until our accession to nato, if this happens earlier than the term of the agreement, the security architecture created by us will actually be incorporated into the security system of the whole alliance we have now agreed with britain on security in all spheres, on land, in the air, at sea, in cyberspace. means, more missiles, hundreds of thousands of new artillerymen. shells,

training for thousands of ukrainian soldiers, 200 million points will be allocated for the production of hundreds of thousands. of new drones, this will be the largest assistance of any other nation. so, mr. oleksandr, this agreement is one of many agreements that, in principle, apparently, ukraine can sign with the representatives of the big seven, this was discussed at the nato summit in vilnius in july, here we have the first agreement. let's break down this event and tell our viewers what... what does ukraine gain by getting such an agreement? it must be said that, in general, britain consistently supports ukraine and supports our naval war, which is quite effective. against the enemy we see, and the goal of britain is obvious -

it is to prevent russia from dominating the black sea, to dislodge them from there, because russia poses a threat of danger and will wage war against ukraine, that is why they are helping us. you are the russian black sea fleet and freed crimea is a strategic task, and as for the agreement itself, you see what its value is, the first thing, perhaps, that i could single out, in general, is that such an agreement is in itself, that is , the very fact of the existence of the fact that we de jure fix the , what happened de facto, well, what happened de facto in our country, we have a de facto situation when the countries of the west support ukraine, they complain about the fact that there is a fight against autocracies, there is a fight against injustice, there is a fight against aggression and the struggle for the norms of international humanitarian law, the civilized world, but it is nowhere documented on paper, that is, today

, if you look at everything that is provided to ukraine, in principle, it is provided by the decision of the governments , because they support ukraine, and you understand that this is why we very often hear such formulations: what will happen if somewhere there are elections, the situation , the political conjuncture will change, and someone will not want to support ukraine, the way it was done before, and therefore the agreement is at least the smallest safeguard, and the argument that ukraine must be supported in any case, and despite that , which we have certain there, let's say, memories of the budapest memorandum, that's all, but, well, you understand, this agreement is different, first of all, from the very... memorandum of wording, and i think that this is the way to move, and that it is important to me that in principle, from what was announced , firstly, it was immediately stated that this is not a replacement for nato, this is what i would like to hear, that is, that this is a mechanism that should operate

before ukraine becomes a member of nato , whenever it was and whenever it happened. the following is what basically, if you look general parameters, at least from what was announced and from what... a few weeks ago the daily telegraph, british, wrote, revealing to us some of the secrets of what should be signed. in principle, there is nothing that we did not know or that we do not see , that is, what i mean is that the provision of aid in ukraine is fixed, joint projects in the defense industry are fixed, and the status of the training of ukrainian troops is fixed. and supply and so on, that is, in principle, in general, it is that the state that is for now, that state is fixed somewhat with expansion, because why expansion , because the defense-industrial complex, it involves increasing production, joint

projects, and in any case it is about the fact that something should be expanded in production and supply, but this is a fixation of the status quo, which is a signal. russia, that britain does not back down and remains with ukraine, and finally, cooperation in those projects that have already been started. well, by the way, today was the reaction of dmitry medvedev, deputy head of the security council of the russian federation, who said that if the british behave so arrogantly, and they are our eternal enemies, he means the russian federation, then ... the displacement of their official military contingent in ukraine will mean a declaration of war against russia, that is, moscow draws further conclusions , if this agreement is signed and it is for ten years, then great britain can send a military contingent here, which can be on the territory

of the ukrainian state, and on the other hand, what prevents great britain from adopting such solutions outside nato, that is, it is a state, our partner. can make such a decision and no one will prevent it, well, the point is, you understand, somewhere in the enemy's camp they are thinking and considering various scenarios, they see what it is going to, what... the involvement of britain, for example, in the operation in the black sea, well, it is there, because british missiles are transferred, those storm shadow, which, for example, hit the headquarters of the black sea fleet of russia in the occupied crimea. we know that britain will now help with surface drones, as well as air. the british provide quite serious help to us in cyber support as well. that is, there are many things that... are aimed at today, please note that for some reason russia was not

encouraged by anyone to do so, but even last year it built protective structures and dugouts and trenches in the yevpatoria area, which were then washed away by the elements, which then destroyed by a storm in the black sea, well, for some reason they did it, although it would seem that there are dangers from yevpatoria, and i want to remind you that the british and french landed in the past. war, precisely in the yevpatoria area, bypassing sevastopol, but then the fleet also sank the black sea, and these are such, let's say , phantoms that they still remember as historical, and i think that it is not for nothing that they talk about it all the time, because i would not rule out that at some stage of this war, it might happen that in ukraine, well, if there was a battle for crimea, when we, let's simulate certain scenarios, would have already come to this. then ukraine would be helped by the international legion, fighters of the international legion in greater

numbers, in particular, the british, who acted under the banner of the international legion of ukraine. i would not rule it out, thus solving the question of aid to ukraine, and then the next point, ah, we should also think about the fact that western countries, in particular, britain and the united states, should in the future give them permission to place theirs. military missions , even now in order not to violate the constitution, this can be done by placing not stationary military bases, but military missions and contingents, which are different things, and with the permission of the verkhovna rada and the signed decision of the president, so this is also the future, so that i i want to tell you that even a-- membership in nato, which is important, but look at the example of finland, finland joined nato and immediately signed an agreement with... with the united states, allowing them to place aircraft on their own airfields and put them into use

ports in the baltic sea in order to be able to further insure themselves and guarantee their safety. i do not rule out that someday some military mission, ah, not a base, he emphasizes, may appear, for example, in odesa britanska or in other places. we are a sovereign state and we have the right act and make such decisions with our partners. and no matter what medvedev did there, no matter how it pissed him off, no matter what he said. what is interesting is that today's agreement between great britain and ukraine was signed by president zelensky after the visit of the baltic tour to lithuania, latvia, estonia, this is also an important sign and indicative sign, because these countries suffered in the 39th year from the russian and soviet armies , and they... absolutely know exactly what the soviet boot is on their land, and it is very important that president

zelenskyy has secured the support of these three countries, because these three countries are part of the north atlantic alliance, they influence the decisions of the alliance, maybe they are not the main players, but at least they are members of the north atlantic alliance, and in latvia zelensky was asked about what he thinks about. .. about the war and whether the war will end in the 24th year, what did zelensky say? zelenskyi said that no one knows the answer to this question, and mentioned the predictions that the russians made that they would capture kyiv in three days. these were also thoughts. i want to be correct - said zelensky. war, victory, defeat, stagnation, depends on many decisions, many risks, many directions, but mostly from us and with you. if we do not lose our stability. then we will end the war earlier, if we do not lose our spirit, you can live with skepticism, but you can also pro the country, and i

am not ready for such a thing, i know that there are millions of people like me, we are not ready to give up our country, and zelensky called to end with putin, until putin is done with all of us, well, he said so, at least it's a direct quote, po yours, would the world already hear it and what? listens to the fact that putin can end everything, not only ukraine. first of all, mr. sergey, with your permission, i will say a few words about the baltic countries, because it is important, because... first of all, they really support us tremendously, and within the framework of the opportunities they have, well, they give a lot, these are not only states, but also people who either buy cars or donate to the armed forces of ukraine, but the geopolitical aspect is just as important, i want to remind you that even earlier, and last year, the president of ukraine visited the countries of northern europe, and there was just a summit

of the countries of northern europe, together with ukraine, where we were also given a rather significant aid package, and the countries of the north, they actually guaranteed their further support for ukraine, so it is very important, i would say that such a certain geopolitical axis is being built, where we see that the countries of northern europe, well, very strongly support ukraine, this includes norway, sweden, denmark, finland, the baltic countries, of course, iceland, and during this visit here to the countries of the baltic states, volodymyr zelenskyi... mentioned belarus, which could eventually join, of course, this is impossible as long as the lukashenko regime is installed there, it is unrealistic, but in the future we hope that belarus will change and change its course from pro-russian, who now dominates the government there, after all, to the pro-european, we can build relations, and as for the understanding of the world, i think that

everyone is getting closer to, well, even those who... somewhere else thought that it is possible with putin agree on something before what will happen to him in general it is difficult or impossible to really agree on something, and that russia will follow these agreements, but i would ask the question more globally, whether it is only about putin himself, whether he alone is the cause of this war and whether he alone is the nature of this evil, aggression and violence, and unfortunately no, and unfortunately it must be said... that this is the war, it is supported by a large part of, at least for now, russian society, and as long as there is this support, as long as there is this course, until finally there is no other concept , you understand russia can change when the concept of this state in one form or another within today's borders, in other borders, into

several state entities, into three, i don't know, time will tell, but changes its... nature in general, the concept of existence, and when will focus on internal problems, and will not resolve their internal problems externally. and here it is, it seems to me that on the one hand it can happen very quickly, well at least the situation with prigozhin demonstrated, let him not finish, but it was an example that something could happen and something began to collapse there, and in the process of this destruction, something would then come out on some road. or it may take time, because unfortunately, for now, this is the nature , it remains, that putin is on the throne, and a large part of the society there wants to see such a tsar, this is how i see the problem, mr. oleksandr, yet one statement was made by volodymyr zelenskyi with regard to

the planes that were destroyed, or rather the planes. and helicopters. the allies handed over long-range weapons to the ukrainian military, with help in which the ukrainian military destroyed 38 units of armed aviation in just one day. this was stated by president zelensky during a meeting with representatives of the baltic mass media . let's listen to what zelensky said. the partners know that some of the weapons that they gave us, some, i won't say which now, but the partners, listening, understand some long-range weapons... they gave us, we destroyed 26 helicopters in a day, 12 planes that rose and struck then with the missiles against which these systems worked, we destroyed 12, it was just something, mr. oleksandr, very

briefly, maybe you understand what president zelenskyi said, the partners must have definitely understood. that is, obviously there were planes and helicopters on the airfield and we hit these airfields, that's right, i understand, i think that the helicopters, we are talking about when we used the atakams at 165 km, you remember, and then the helicopters were destroyed on the occupied territory of ukraine, and planes, and also, as far as i remember, there was a case of using atakams, and not excluding... including that it was a stormshadow missile and probably more than a range of 300 km, and probably up to 450, i understand that volodymyr'. hinted to our partners that give us more such weapons, perhaps in this way the situation will change, including at those airfields where it takes off in

the voronet region, in the rostov region, in the saratov region, where it is possible, where these can fly missiles, why do you think the west is so cautious about giving these long-range missiles, by the way, rishi sunak said today that the package in the... that the uk is promising will include long-range missiles, does that mean that is the uk considering the option that these missiles will really fly a long distance? i would not rule out, especially since i am my own, let’s say, this is my assumption, which is based on certain information, insiders and analytics, i would not rule out that a certain number of missiles could have already been used by ukraine with a range of the stormshadow version up to 4005, 450 km on the enemy's military bases in the occupied crimea, that is, it was already possible, but here the question is that i think

that they will be transferred and it is about these missiles language, the question of principle remains whether we will limit our actions only to the territory of ukraine in the occupied part, whether there will be permission to strike on the territory of russia, but i will tell you that this... is actually an important element, because now it is also a test for of the west, because the aggressive countries of the axis of this evil, for example, north korea, transfer ballistic missiles to russia, with which it has already hit the territory of ukraine, and will probably continue to hit, then right away this is a matter of already serious escalation, and another solution so is the issue of escalation, what writes the wall street journal in another about the deployment of nuclear. weapons of russia in belarus, at least two serious reasons to which the west can respond, in particular, by allowing strikes with its weapons on the territory

of russia, and this would, it seems to me, be fair and justified, even in the face of those who say that ukraine cannot be allowed to do this, because it may be an unnecessary escalation, as russia has already done with north korea, and iran may also join in this, there are such risks as well, so the measure here could... you just applied, apply this one a reason to say that it is not the west primarily playing for escalation, but russia, and the west is responding, helping ukraine to defend itself. mr. oleksandr, the question of the future financing and assistance of financial aid by the united states of america to ukraine remains unresolved. the united states of america has stopped supplying weapons and military equipment for the time being. in ukraine due to the lack of budgetary funds for such programs, the coordinator of the national security council of the white house, john kirby, stated this at the briefing, or in this

of the situation, what great britain is doing, is it a reinsurance of our partners, well, that is , the british are insuring the americans in this situation and helping ukraine, or are the issues that are domestically political in... the states of america, they will be overcome in the near future, and ukraine will still open, or rather the united states of america will open this package of 61 billion dollars for ukraine. i hope that they will open, that is, this situation, it cannot be undefined for a long time at all, after all, it is clear that it seems to me that it will after all, an agreement was reached on the fact that... and on the southern border, and accordingly on aid for ukraine, because this situation cannot remain completely undecided, and the members of the republican party understand this,

many of whom also supported and support ukraine, but with regard to europe, i must say that yes, it is very important that europe also understands that the countries of the european union and in general that they also have to play... a certain role in ensuring security in europe, because let's be honest when individual politicians on in the west they start talking about the fact that in 5 or 10 years russia will be at war with nato, will it be ready, or are they still using the wording that they will wage war in europe, then i have a question, and where is russia now waging this war, are these wars in europe is gone now, isn't it a powerful aggression when rockets fly. when there are such shellings, it is already a crisis, and there is no need to put off until tomorrow what needs to be settled and decided today, and in this sense

the german is absolutely correct. chancellor olaf scholz when addressing his european colleagues-leaders and says that by february 1st, it is necessary to provide plans for increasing the support of aid expenditures to ukraine, not just, let's say, stating what is there, but to increase it, because it is really important, and in fact it is very important for europe to look into internal potential and see that not everything in them is bad and exhausted from the point of view of all this can be restored, it just requires political will, funds, and work, factories and production of the same weapons, not all european countries, but in germany, france, there are in italy and sweden. thank you, mr. oleksandr, it was oleksandr musienko, the director of the center for military and legal research, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook, for

those who... watch us on youtube and in on facebook please like our video and also vote in our poll today we ask you if the office of the president is overstepping his authority yes no please vote it's pretty simple on youtube choose yes or no, if you're on air, pick up the phone and vote, if yes, 0800 211 381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls. these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next up is glen grant, a retired british army colonel and military expert. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. thank you for the invitation. mr. colonel, today president zelenskyy together with the prime minister of great britain rish sunak signed an agreement on military cooperation and security. will operate until

ukraine joins nato. in the british government, this agreement is called historic. mr. colonel, explain what is the historicity of this agreement? yes, it's a historic deal because the uk usually doesn't do this. and, if we recall, before the second world war, we had a native agreement. this is something unusual for us, because after leaving the european union, of course, yes, we are still members of nato, but we are now talking about an agreement with a country that is not a member nato, and of course there are some contradictions in the uk who ask the question what is it for us, but i know that a lot of... people

that i talk to, they welcomed such an agreement because they thought that what the uk does not do everything it can for ukraine, so this is a historic agreement? rishuna says that in addition to the air defense system and anti-tank missiles , the aid package promised by great britain to ukraine also includes long-range missiles. the judge advises whether this means that very soon ukraine will receive the right to the use of these long-range missiles, and these long-range missiles will fly to military targets that are outside the borders of the ukrainian state. very good question. and i'm sure, of course, that was the lion's

share of the discussion that took place. between the prime minister and the president of ukraine, and i want to say that we do not know what will happen, and we should not know, because if there are attempts to fire these missiles outside ukraine, then it should be some kind of surprise, this there should be a surprise, and of course for ukraine, ukraine needs to be destroyed the crimean bridge, which will change the course of the war, it will be'. moment for both sides. mr. colonel, one more question that follows from today's reaction of dmitry medvedev, the deputy head of the security council of the russian federation, who reacted to the signing of the agreement between great britain and ukraine, he said that if their official military contingent is stationed in ukraine.