well, again, this is a question not only for the government, the opposition can introduce a draft law, but again take responsibility for it, and then when they vote, it will be their draft law. well, it’s simply necessary , it must be said that during the war we have power, general power, that is, there is the opposition or those who have monopolies, well, it’s still power, one way or another no one will understand, but it’s impossible, it’s impossible to spread the responsibility on everyone absolutely, i agree with that. we don't see it in the non-belligerent united states, what it leads to, you understand, when no one wants to take responsibility, i absolutely share your opinion, tatiana, can it not happen that the next version of the law will become a victim of this political irresponsibility, when the bill is thrown like a hot potato from hand to hand and they say, well, listen, then industrious, yes no, then there will probably be a whisper, but no. maybe syrskyi, or maybe he ummerav in general, or

maybe arahamia will carry that potato to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, as it was at christmas, when rahamia came out, said, there the draft law is actually registered in the council system, well, as oleksiy rightly said, the draft law of such a plan should bear a name, there should be someone who will take responsibility, and it is logical, of course, that if it were the president of ukraine, the supreme leader. it would be logical, if he also talks about justice, then perhaps this draft law would be very fair as well, but it would require courage, and we will wait for one of our state leaders to take this courage upon himself. , and i also want to comment on the ukrainian reaction of the refugee community here in europe, when the talk started that they could somehow start mobilizing the men that you... to europe, i will say that there were

big movements like that started here, in terms of people trying for temporary protection , that is , the obligation for refugees to leave the european union when the war ends, to go to the so-called subsidiary protection, that is, to become real refugees without the right to return to ukraine, here is the question, if ukraine needs these men who are currently in the eu, the attitude towards them is ambiguous, of course, and each case is individual, but whether ukraine needs these people or not, because here are such statements that oh, now we will mobilize them, oh now we will arrest their apartments at home, with such statements, we can begin to lose these families who left here in full, in full force, and who are now worried and thinking about how to stay in europe, this is also a problem, and an answer to this question must also be found. i don't know, maybe

you know the answer, i understand that you are like a mother son who is at ground zero, of course you have a rather simple answer that people should still defend their homeland, be in ukraine and fight for ukraine, and here the question is again what to do with those many people who, those who have left, yes, those who have left , those who do not want to fight, those who are... there they say, listen, well, try to get us, europe will not hand over anyone just like that, or at the request of the tcc, for example, well, look , less so, war is such a thing that in most european countries, when there i don't remember the exact numbers now, but there was a survey, poles also answered. and the germans,

and someone else from eastern european countries, i think there was quite a low percentage of citizens of these countries who confidently said: yes, i will go to defend my country, this, i emphasize, they do not have a war, i do not want to say not yet, but simply not there, they carefully study the experience in... ukraine, they look at us inside ukraine, because thank god, the media work for them, they look at ukrainian refugees, and draw the following conclusion: the entire development of democratic europe was built on the right principles, on respect , on respect for human rights, and the most important of those rights is the right to life, the right to a dignified life, here... no, the state says: no, that means

i am taking away the right to life from you, and you stand up for your homeland, er... you know, it's not a burden for everyone, such a burden, and even me, well, it's interesting from a sociological point of view, from a historical point of view, and what to do today for today, what's so magical to say to those people who are sitting in europe, absolutely do not want to fight for ukraine, but think where they should go go on to... hide from the war, i don't think there are any words, i don't think there are any arguments for that, they've already made their choice, we're not going to do anything here, we 're going to have to, again, to somehow

solve this issue within the country, to ask for help from partners, i understand that everything, anything, but... resources will not help us, and realize, realize, we will not be able to return and marry those people who committed violence, to shout, they don't want to go to war, well, you remember how we were in the first for months they were boiling over the russians, and the recalcitrants are falling down, they are afraid, in principle the logic is the same, it is not my war. i don't want, i want to live with my family, i want to be, yes, well, actually , we have to finish the time of our program, unfortunately, it is inexorably coming to an end, olga musafirova, oleksiy mustafin and tetyana vysotska, were guests of today's program, thank you for participating in the program,

during our program, we conducted a survey, you were asked about whether you think the office of the president exceeds its powers, 89%, 89% think so. 11% no so these are the results of the survey, it was the verdict program by serhii rudenko, i wish you a nice, peaceful weekend, take care of yourself and your loved ones, see you on monday at 20:00, goodbye, welcome to the espresso channel. today, in our military program, we will talk about the challenges in the military and defense sphere that ukraine faced in 2024. here as a starting point. the influential magazine time published 10 global risks for the world for this year, among which the third place

is, as it is written, a divided ukraine. in particular, zhurnalum experts believe that ukraine will be de facto divided this year, and russia... has the initiative on the battlefield and a material advantage. and then the 24th year is a turning point in the war. if ukraine does not solve its personnel problems. we are probably talking about the army, which will not increase the production of weapons, and will not develop a realistic military strategy in the near future, its territorial losses may turn out to be permanent and may increase, according to time magazine. of course, challenges must be seen, though. version of the half, in my opinion, it is completely inexhaustible assessment, and it is much more important to understand how to deal with these or other challenges, relying either on the help of partners or on our own and looking for solutions that should really be effective, whether it is about the situation on

the front line, or about our defense, industry for the development of which we need to adopt the best world experience, as taras shevchenko said, and what: to learn from others and not to shy away from one's own. so, the challenges for ukraine and the search for countermeasures. we will talk about this in the next issue of our program "war and weapons". my name is serhiy zgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which, together with the expresso channel, strives to cover the most relevant trends in the defense industry and in the field of security. and now we're joined by valentyn badrak, director of the army's conversion and disarmament research center, wars. analyst and writer, mr. valentin, i congratulate you, glad to see and hear, congratulations, mr. serhiy, always very happy to join and work in this field, so to speak, i first mentioned about time magazine, where they evaluate the challenges for the world, but in fact

not only the analysts of this publication do important work, there is also a similar work called five key challenges for ukraine. in the 24th year, and this is the work that was done jointly by you and as the director of the army research center of armament conversion and academician volodymyr horbulin, who is the vice president of the national. of the academy of sciences, and there are actually five main challenges set out in front of which we need to make some decisions and take into account their complexity or realism and somehow to oppose him. we will talk about these challenges a little later, but in any case, now we are forced to respond to reality, to the events that are currently happening in the world and how they intersect with the challenges that you outlined in your work. i... first of all, i want you to now weigh and assess

the events that took place tonight, when the uk and the united states launched these missile strikes against the houthi rebels in yemen, how that affects the geopolitical schedule and how that affects those challenges , which will be later to reflect on the realities in ukraine. thank you, mr. sergey. first of all, i would like to say that what happened last night, mr. academician volodymyr horbulin and i have already been formalized in a certain, certain study, which will be available immediately after this broadcast on the website of the army research center for conversion and disarmament, and surprisingly, but there are five challenges. the five challenges that we previously identified for ukraine, at least four today, can be considered as

lessons and conclusions from the strikes by the coalition led by the united states and great britain, and strictly speaking, well, the only remaining challenge is mobilization, if necessary, we will talk about this challenge. separately, because all other challenges, they relate, strictly speaking, to the conduct of modern wars and the organization of the conduct of modern wars at the political level. so, let's try to remind ourselves, the audience, what happened tonight? tonight, the coalition delivered huge strikes on 16 targets, of which 60 targets were hit and used over. a hundred high-precision different systems, missiles, bombs, in particular, there were british

aviation bombs, guided, well, and including missiles from ships were used, which were used for the first time, for the first time in principle, what from that, well, i can’t help but remember here that i am , fortunately one of the... 12 ukrainians who managed to be physically on the aircraft carrier dwight esenhower in 2007, when he was returning from the war in the persian gulf, i want to say that this is a super powerful weapon, there were among the 12, there were three generals, they were crying, really crying, because they would attack the ukrainians with weapons get yes, well, either have yes, or build it, but of course, no one but us will build it, and... those 70-plus planes, they

were constantly landing and constantly taking off for an hour, and it was a very, very spectacular thing, but now to business, yes, how is it, what can we take from this for ourselves, for ourselves we can take, first of all a political lesson, that the blows were not done lightly, in fact the united... you could do all this yourself and crack down with these houthis, it's not even a whole state, it's just a paramilitary one the formation in yemen, which now controls the capital, but it is not even a state and a small state of yemen, but let 's see what the united states did, they quickly organized a coalition with great britain, this is extremely important, a coalition, a political coalition is... it is a huge thing, and we know that canada, australia, and bahrain spoke there, that is

, they spoke from all corners of the world, it is absolutely necessary for us, because in order to deal with putin's regime, first of all, we need this political solution, the presence of a coalition, without it, unfortunately, we no, we will not destroy the regime without a coalition, without , even if we are given, well, of course, it can be here, not from... a frank public decision that we want to destroy the putin regime, and i mean from a group of powerful countries , for example, when they won't tell us anything, but... but they will provide us with all the weapons we need, and then we will understand, we will return to these houthis, look, and the houthis are a military formation that was recognized in the 21st year terrorist organization by the united states, it has all possible weapons, it is an order of magnitude higher than missile weapons

the hand of the houthis, some houthis there, is an order of magnitude greater than the armed forces of ukraine, they have... ballistic missiles with a range of 2,000 km, then they also have missiles that are the development of iranian clones, and there are missiles of 1,500 km, 1,400 km, again they have missiles that russia now wants to get from iran and their advanced versions, which have a range of 700 to... 1,300 km, again, i will not go through the exercise of listing these names here, but we see, the missiles, they have an order of magnitude more than ukraine, in terms of distance, and in terms of number there god himself knows how many there are, how many they have, plus they have these shaheds 136, yes,

again, the range is 2.5 and it is necessary to draw the conclusion from this that we are very seriously underarmed, the second point, what is the anti-western coalition, of course, putin would like to rejoice, rub, clap his hands , regarding, regarding the fact that someone else's... hands managed to make an asymmetric blow against the anti-western coalition, and apparently it really is, but not everything here, not everything looks like that, because we can remember that when hamas on october 7, 23 attacked israel, the houthis basically sided with hamas

, and tried several times to hit israel, but what happened, well... first of all, in order to hit israel, they need to fly these missiles over the territory of saudi arabia, and so further, but not only missiles, and drones, and this continued until the 31st, when in fact on october 31, these ballistic missiles with a range of 200 km were launched, i will try to name them, they are reptiles. f yes, which have a warhead of up to 800 kg, and the anti-missile defense system destroyed these missiles, it became hopeless for the houthis to conduct a missile war against israel directly. what is the lesson for us? let me remind you that air of free is an anti-missile system that was developed

jointly by israel and the united states. more than half of the... funds were allocated for this by the united states, and that means it was within the framework of the security agreement, when israel received more than 3 billion dollars annually and conducted joint developments with the united states, for us this is a very important hint that the israeli model of security agreements and security guarantees, it is valid, it works very cool and it shows. including this war in the middle east, will it succeed, will iran succeed, which in fact incited the houthis, incited them to wage war in the red sea with civilian vessels and promote piracy and so on, there

the president of the united states spoke about , there seem to be 27 powerful attacks that... were launched and that a lot of them hit shipping in the red sea, but that 's not even the point, the point is that actually the houthis were forced to choose another target instead of israel, and in this way iran and moscow, that is, tehran and moscow tried to carry out an asymmetric strike and scale the war to close. in the east, and what the united states and britain did with their coalition, they struck a blow of extraordinary power, and this blow of extraordinary power. more than 100, let's say, high-precision weapons, this is a signal not only to the houthis to suppress them at once, but it is also a signal to iran and a signal to moscow that

the first thing is that the united states and the western coalition dominate in a military sense in the world and will not allow scale wars. here's which one signal is very important. for us, what is this ... a signal, taking into account the fact that those hussyk weapons were listed, of course, we have several programs, which we call existential programs for ukraine, this is a missile program, a drone program and an ammunition program, all efforts should be thrown there , make all efforts, well, it would be possible to add the rebovsky program to it, it is still developing its ministry of statistics as a program. trench reb, but it must of course be scaled up and taken out . in the fall, funding was 5% of all

financing projects of ukrainian weapons , ukrainian technologies, i think that this is a little too little, it should be increased somewhere so that it is possible to create both trench rap and radio electronic warfare systems, i will give you a little break now, because relatively speaking, now... with what is important after these missile strikes on yemen? in fact, there is a coalition of 12 countries that launched a missile attack on the enemy with the clearly defined goal of destroying the enemy's military facilities there and minimizing the influence of this grouping on security in the red sea. and another parallel the russian federation is 50 countries that support us in the fight against the russian federation... the federation is also a coalition, and the question then arises of a clear understanding of the purpose of this coalition, because in fact until now there were all these fluctuations so that russia would not win there, ukraine would not

lose , is this a sufficient goal for the potential of the coalition to really be concentrated on the scale of aid to ukraine that we really need, or is there not a certain gap regarding the not quite clearly defined goals of the coalition and our needs, and that this story differs from history by a short-term point strike on the husids? absolutely exactly, i absolutely agree, because let's remember what winston churchill once said about germany and japan, he said that we will consider the complete destruction of the potential a victory. of nazi germany and japan, now no country in the world or coalition can say that it wants the complete

destruction of the potential of modern russia, but, but, let's at least then look at the fact that the liberation of the occupied territories of ukraine and the organization of resistance are considered a victory and... the deterrence of russia, this is also not there yet, therefore, that is why i believe that the coalition does not exist yet, so far there are only its contours, the contours of the countries, the contours of the coalition from the group of countries that provide sporadic assistance, who how believes, for example, that at first germany did not consider it an opportunity to provide powerful aid there, now on the contrary it is increasing it before... let's say it is a challenge that the united states can reduce aid, and germany, for example, in the 24th year doubled from 4 billion to 8

billion euros, or, let's say, japan is very powerful has increased its aid to 4.5 billion dollars and will also support ukraine's anti-drone capabilities, while previously japan did not participate in any way until the end of the 22nd year. and in some such projects, therefore , but this is not a coalition, a coalition is when ukraine would receive all the weapons it needs to liberate the occupied territories, including missiles with a range of 400-500 km, we need at least 500 of these missiles, if you count together and let's say ground-to-ground and tactical level missiles and count. winged missiles that we could get not only from france and germany, sorry, from france and great britain, but also from

germany taurus missiles, yes. infamous, which we cannot convince berlin to hand over to us, well, of course, this is air support, these are airplanes and helicopters, these are also modern drones, and maybe even modern anti-aircraft systems, by the way, when we talk about anti-aircraft systems, then one of the points in our opinion of the conclusions of the conclusions about the five challenges is precisely what is being said... about the development of modern technologies, including at the expense of military-technical cooperation, here i want, i cannot help but mention such an example here, which is extremely indicative, well , yes, rain metal is coming to us, yes to the market, but rainmetal wants to start with us to produce the old fux combat vehicle and only then move to a new combat tank at some stage,

already at some point after... then it can move to, let's say, the joint production of some anti-aircraft systems, such as skynet, at the same time, look, hungary, which is, well, factual a collaborator within the eu, hungary and rheinmetall during the 23rd year, in the fall of the 23rd year, concluded two huge agreements, within the framework of which, and hungary in general, there is almost no defense industry there, but within the framework of which... we will only think about it, will to produce a joint new battle tank with the germans and a joint means of air defense at the base, as i understand it is the skynex or even more new updated systems that rain metal presented at the exhibitions in 23, now the same story the united states, which

in india. there is a powerful production of stryker machines, stryker combat vehicles, and part of this production is the creation of a super-powerful and ultra-modern complex of the army's air defense complex on the basis of the stryker machine, which will include both the rebov complex and the laser countermeasures drone complex. so we see that even in defense, even in defense. even despite the fact that we received the latest pro patriot and sempty systems, there is, well, a certain lack of work, because i named now exactly the army complexes, that is, those complexes that will protect our troops on the battlefield, not about peaceful cities, i am talking now, but about the advancement of the ukrainian army, and about the fact that we need to convince our partners. that

we should start not with what can be done, but with what we need first of all, these air defense systems, i am not talking about the fact that in september 23, the united states armed itself with an army anti-drone anti-drone system with a laser system, and we wouldn't mind having such complexes anyway, so they... only one battalion has been armed so far, it's the newest complex, but at least within the framework of, say , testing such weapons, or within the framework of the joint promotion of laser anti-drone programs, because the united states conducts such joint actions with the british, and on the same september 23, britain simultaneously tested a laser anti-drone system

, and here i would... it is about the fact that we have to make a hyper leap in the field of creating, using the latest technologies in war, this is where our biggest, so to speak, our opportunities are, the biggest, our biggest challenge for the future, then , when we talk about challenges, i would still like to return to your work in order to convey these five challenges to our viewers, which... which directions are we talking about, what is the meaning of each direction, and then we then, maybe some directions let's talk in more detail, taking into account the needs and capabilities of ukraine and our partners, so five directions, five challenges, what are we talking about, well, let's list them first, yes, and then we will work with them as we can, well, the first one is the probability of the west help, that is, we want either preservation or increase.