because either we bury our heads in the sand and then a bunch of additional risks emerge, yes, relatively speaking, of partial bosniaization of this territory, if we do not pacify the former metropolis, yes, as they did not do with muscovy twice in the 20th century, as it is not they did with germany after the first world war, or how they didn't do it with serbia in 1991, and then the former metropolis doesn't matter, it may not even be moscow itself, but the center of revanchism may become some other neighboring region, i don't know the lower one. we are before the coming to power of the romanovs, it is far away, 1612-13, we are there thank you very much, mr. oleg, i'm sorry, but my life is so complicated oleg magaletskyi , a researcher of regionalism in the russian federation , a co-organizer in the form of free peoples of post-russia, and now from russia to ukraine, because we started talking about war, about

military affairs, about the fact that the ukrainians are attacking the depths - the depths of russia have already flown as far as st. petersburg, let's talk with valery yakovenko, co-founder of ua, a drone, a subtle hint of a drone ua, we roughly understand what is going on, an expert in unmanned technologies and the operation of equipment, hello i, sir valery, thank you for finding time for us, you , here i have a simple question for you, such a question from my dreams, maybe from your dreams, i don't know, but today there are technologies in ukraine that are capable of creating an unmanned aerial object , which can fly, well, for example, 1000 km or 200, what is the limit of the distance that we can ourselves. imagine, i understand that they can

shoot down there, they can damage something there, the russians, but this is such an ideal option that no one will shoot down, you and i went to latin america with our plane, that is, a uav launched, and how long will it fly if it is not disturbed? the fact is that the technologies that you are talking about, and the technologies for the long-range operation of unmanned systems, they... began to exist in ukraine even before the start of a full-scale invasion, already, but already after the start of the war in 2014. and when we talk about algebraic leading, there are results that can be achieved using ukrainian unmanned systems, then with public information, those complexes that existed in the public space and were not classified, they can overcome distances more than 3000 km. first of all, we are talking about civil apparatuses. which were

militarized only later, so even before a full-scale invasion we could carry out missions by flying to a depth of 3,000 km. now we are faced with a more difficult task, which is to transfer a certain size of the combat part of these or the payload and successfully overcome the barriers of the enemy, and we succeed, and we see it in the news. yes, we talked about it a lot... we talk about it for sure, but my question is how difficult it is, you really said it, which is useful the load is useful for us , i hope it is not anti-useful for the russians, that is, besides the fact that it is civilian, it flies, she, it can be a postman, i gave him a letter, it flew 300 km and someone in london handed the letter to me, but not to me i wanted, i wanted there to be at least 1.2 kg of explosives and not to fly to london. in the opposite direction and

there it is somewhere, that is, it makes it much more difficult when we say that we also need to screw some kind of bomb there and so that this uav knows where to release this bomb so that it falls where you need it, not where you don't need it, it's not difficult, modifying this type of equipment, it's not super complicated super complicated task, here... there's another task, we need to scale it, because until the moment of full-scale invasion, such projects existed in the form of prototypes, and what we need now is to have hundreds and thousands of such devices that are mass-produced, and number one is identical to number 1001, because these should not be prototypes, they should be the same, they should have the same technical characteristics, and they have the same education to carry out for drone operators and so on, it should already... there should be conversion work

for the production of serial security equipment, and this is happening right now, when we are talking about scaling, now is the stage of scaling ukrainian technologies that are possible. to strike the deep rear of arefia and muscovy. and what scale? one in a thousand, one in 10 thousand, one in 100, that is, which one, which one, which result would you tell us about which result is possible in ukraine. i understand that maybe we don't have a million spare parts here and there, but as much as possible how many can we make these uavs, why. i ask because the discussion, in fact, such an absentee discussion has been going on for three weeks now, what i observe is that the muscovites are constantly shouting that the ukrainians are terribly outnumbering them, and we have to hide and it is very dangerous for us, the ukrainians

are shouting that no, the muscovites are outnumbering us, and it is difficult for us, and we suffer here, and they fly and fly, and i sit, read, here this, here this, i think, where is the truth, i do not ask, because it may be... a military secret, but what can we do count on the creation of these drones? we should count on the fact that ukraine should take a leading position in the production of unmanned aircraft and in general robotic equipment in the field of security. we are already in a very leading position when it comes to local production, and we can give foreign manufacturers a head start, with ukraine producing far more equipment than any of our allies. we are talking about the equipment that is used, and not about, and not what is promoted at the landfills, so now we can talk about what about what in ukraine it is necessary to produce, and if we are talking about long-range equipment that works at long distances, for example, over 1000 km, then it

should be thousands of units per year, with a warhead, there are already tens and even hundreds of kilograms, when we talk about equipment, that covers distances from... and up to 1000 km, we need tens of thousands of such equipment, which is mass-produced, and when we talk about the short range and, for example , the same kamikaze drones, well, we need millions, because this equipment has fundamentally changed absolutely the entire system of fighting in the whole world, the ukrainians actually invented a new kalashnikov, which must be scaled as much as possible, and what would you say if a third person appeared here in the form of... the ministry of it, which suddenly said that it is worth thinking about ukrainians making some kind of drones at home, and i remembered my boisterous, even pre-boisterous youth, when we laughed at the chinese, whom mr.

maudzun, their leader, said that every house had this metal, cast iron. good to make such a small workshop in my yard and make meta metal, well , we can imagine the quality of the metal, but the quality of the uav, if i start making it in my yard somewhere, what will it be? first of all, you need to look at the source of the request, why do we need so many drone assemblers in ukraine, and the fact is that the most difficult and narrowest place now for... ukrainian production is people, it is very difficult to find young engineers, it is very difficult to find new ones people who will join drone assembly professions in various businesses, and no one believes themselves when it comes to the fact that this requires very simple skills, and

the possibility that the ministry of figures announced when they announced this call to assemble drones in the kitchen is not about assembling a million drones , it's really about the opportunity... to use this equipment and this process of the assembly stage so that people get their first skills and believe in themselves when it comes to joining a new profession, an engineer for the production of unmanned systems, these people they can make two or three drones at home, they will not affect the situation on the battlefield in any way, but they get skills and can already go to work for money at enterprises where thousands of units of such equipment will be manufactured. and in this direction , pensioners, housewives, and young people are needed, everyone should be able to acquire these skills, and ukraine should become a certain mecca for the production of drones and the forge of the whole world in terms of the production of the latest security equipment, so the initiative, it is insanely

cool, this is a cool direction, we need it people, we need them to learn, and by the fact that they assemble drones at home, invest a small amount of money. to buy the first whales and assemble them is a cool and very progressive approach to teaching people to get the first basic skills, the main thing is that they do not assemble the combat parts at home. look, we have everything in ukraine, relatively speaking, tomorrow everyone knocked, that is, the ministry of it and said, we already, we, we like it, we, we want, where, where to take, where to take stock parts, where are the nuts , where it is, where to go, what to do, where, where it lies, who takes care of it, who sells it, or gives it away, well , in short, right there. the entire infrastructure is huge, so it’s all there , well, i mean, at least not at the infrastructure level, at

the level of the fact that these are spare parts, nuts, some , i don’t know, motors or not, i don’t know, i’m yours i don't understand anything about your business, that's why i just asked something, in short, first of all, ukraine is part of the civilized world, and we have access to all open world markets, and we will first of all use... that equipment and those components that we have available to order from overseas. the second stage, and it is already happening, these companies, which are already assembling such equipment on a large scale, are working and successfully working on the localization of the component base, which is already produced in ukraine and is used in the assembly of exclusively ukrainian equipment from all ukrainian components. this process has already started, is already at a certain middle stage, and when we talk about where. loss of spare parts, then the ministry of statistics, and various public organizations, they

recommend whole combinations of certain parts that you can buy, connect together to get a good result, they provide information on where to get this equipment at what price, and even help with the purchase, if it is about either assistance or purchase from lower, well low prices, in order to have it at the expense of volume at a very low price. urban cost, so this is such a systematic work, and the more people work in this direction, the more we will have a cheaper resource of the component base and a greater number of components that we will be able to use, and the answer to your question, there are components, there are many of them, because once again, ukraine is part of the world market, and the whole world helps us. yes, well, optimistically, at least, mr. valery, how much does it cost, so-and-so. mykola veresen , so terribly patriotic, found out where

you can get all this, spare parts, here, here , equipment, has a big kitchen, let’s say so, so, and so, and so, so he went, bought at reduced prices, came to kitchen, found glue there, i don't know if there are any others pieces, prints, and created, and went somewhere, i don't know. went somewhere somewhere and gave it all as a gift, that means, without a doubt, to the armed forces of ukraine, so how much is it, what figure is it about, when will i do all this, how much will i spend my money? mr. mykola veresen, when he has a big kitchen and can collect, for example, three drones a day for his skiles, you have such skils, i believe in you, you will be able to collect three drones a day, so each drone can... get by in the range of 8 to 12 00 hryvnias, when we are talking exclusively about components, it is big

a number, for example, for pensioners, but it is definitely an available number when we are talking about ukrainians, it people who can join this, in addition, you can find organizations that can transfer certain spare parts for free so that people can assemble them themselves, and this is a certain ecosystem , someone finds money, someone makes these drones by hand and learns, someone receives these drones and has to test them first. not to be sent to the front, these drones will show themselves in the best way at the time of training, because it is useful to learn from them, qualitatively and simply, and well, in general, such an ecosystem , i told you the numbers, and your possibilities for building such a possession, well, they are now known to the whole of ukraine, a horror that, as i turn out, an engineer, would never say that about himself , but you see, war makes adjustments, valery yakovenko, co-founder of dron ua. an expert in unmanned technologies and robotics, was in touch with us and i thank

him for enlightening me here, i now somehow understand where i am going and where my future is, maybe i am even really so and so i will, now we will talk more about theory than about practice, here we also talked about a theory, but one that can be implemented in practice, and with pavel bilous under the nickname kabul, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war , a combat medic, a member of the coordinating council of the resistance and surrender movement, if he appears now, i will ask him about fr. i saw, thank you, mr. pavlo, pavlo bilous, aka kabul, so look, the cabinet of ministers has to use the funds of the marathon to buy what we talked about, unmanned aerial vehicles devices and pickups for the armed forces of ukraine, and the telethon costs 2 billion a year, so you can buy a lot of different things, which means

necessities for the ukrainian army, that is, we will not have a marathon. well, that's right, good health, mr. pavle, and a good, good , good evening to everyone, there won't be a marathon, but there will be a lot of unmanned aerial vehicles, and as you claim, it means there will be a lot and and and and something else, in short , well, it doesn't matter, but the marathon is missing, and it won't be, you need it, please tell me, huh? he to you do you need i think when i hear so many rumors and gossips, including so many idiotic rumors and gossips, we just devoted part of today's air to this, that it's all gone, horror, horror, horror, we 're going to lose, there's no this, that, that, that

, that, that, that, there is nothing, everything is not ready , everything is terrible, everything is catastrophic, but there is a telethon, and so... and i sit, thinking, well , if, if we don't explain to them that everything is not so bad, yes there will be more people who will panic and shout, well, it's time for all of us to give up, raise our hands and go to moscow, that means bowing to that putin, that is, this is how independence came in 1991, i tracked it superficially, you don't need to rename the streets, you need to go there , you don't need to go there, you need to rename the streets, you don't need this, let's do that. we don't need elections, how much do these elections cost, it's terrible money , let's better build roads, we didn't learn how to do elections, they didn't build roads, and nothing happens, i'm sitting and thinking, well, okay, then what to do with the marathon, let's it is easier, we are not in a marathon, we have worked for ourselves, and we will work for someone it will be more difficult, but in principle

, i am not convinced that the marathon is a complete crisis, some people. they work there, they tell other people something, maybe there is some benefit in what you say, well, what can i tell you, first of all , i did not see any benefit there, secondly, the marathon is propaganda, and propaganda, in principle can be different, and this is not the kind of propaganda that i would like to see, i think, not only me, but many people would like to see a different kind of propaganda, because this propaganda is kind of incomprehensible. what, i'm not talking about freedom anymore, the petition also talks about freedom, this some kind of incomprehensible, in an incomprehensible language , it is not clear to whom, it is not clear what is being said , there were some good russians, there were some arrestees, some , well, why and why are they telling in russian at all, well, for whom, for russians, for

russians, other texts must be spoken, spoken, for, well, for whom for... ukrainians, they also understand ukrainian, that is, if it was counter-propaganda or propaganda for ukraine, propaganda, for example, the fragmentation of the russian federation into small states, propaganda for the independence of some bashkratostans and kazakhstans and others there states, that would be one thing, and it would be good if our ukrainian ipso would be conducted through these channels, it would be great, but... for now, this is just some kind of sponsorship with taxpayers' money, sponsorship of these oligarchs , these are hard times for kolomoisky , let's support him a little bit, let's give him a couple of tens of hundreds of millions of hryvnias for this marathon, let's support him, let

's let someone else know, i'll tell you frankly, mr. pavle, there was such a leader of the soviet union, his name was yosif . stalin, and he has there was a discussion about writers, and he said: "i have no other writers for you." i just have a hard time imagining, in ukraine , such people, such journalists, such politicians , such experts, those who are there, and there are no others, somewhere, let them work for themselves, if you showed me somewhere such a special composition, some such, yes, such where lie secretly, that means, excellent journalists, excellent experts, phenomenal specialists from various fields, and you can get them from there. take to plant in freedom or in the only news or anywhere or on espresso tv, then i will tell you that our producers at espresso, they

would be happy to take such people, but no, that is, well, no, let’s close it and not open anything, i don’t know how, how to be, why, why, they have a channel, they work on the channel, there is 1+1, let it work without a telethon, let it publish its news, there is an inter, please, let it work. there are other channels there, i don’t really understand all those types of television, that propaganda of ours, but they can work perfectly for themselves, in our country there is a market after all, and if they are such excellent journalists, then let them show it without money, without our money, why should i listen to youtubers with my money, what they tell, well, sorry, when there is not enough for ours. i'll tell you a few secrets, i'm not against what you say, okay, maybe you have a logic, it's just that the market as such does not exist at the beginning of the war, ukrainian

television has never been rich, never, moreover, the oligarchs have always added to their channels , not channels, brought money to oligarchs, and the oligarchs brought money to the channels, that is , there were single years and single channels for the payback, now starting... from the comparison with the 22nd year, i say this for everyone, not only for you, mr. pavle, approximately three times, the amount of money on the television market fell three times , that is, mr. mykola, i apologize, i will now put on my glasses and look at which channel i am on now, it says that this channel is not 1+1, that is, you are not on the channels for me to engage in propaganda, to i did not ask a question, but flatteringly said, right, right, sir, everything you do you say, ideally, all those who are against you are stupid

, simply, they terribly do not understand anything, and only you and i, mr. pavle, understand everything, and know how to give advice in any field of ukrainian, ukrainian economy, ukrainian military industrial complex and so on and so forth, but well, i will say so, i will now simply know. that i will be with whomever i speak, i will adapt to my guest, there are a lot of such journalists, i understand, i did not understand what positive you saw in that, in that single marathon, i do not i saw positives there, i didn't see positives, i just told you that maybe you're right, i didn't say that i'm right, i said maybe you're right, but i'm just explaining to you that the amount of money in the market is very... . it’s simple, it’s simple, it’s not us, the oligarchs pay extra for the channels , it’s not the channels that bring profit to the oligarchs

, i’m telling you about simple things, no, it’s not a big secret, and i told you how much the amount of money has decreased in the television markets, well in short, nothing more, but okay, i will know that it is necessary to talk less and listen more, i'm listening to you, so my proposal... is simple: all the money that is currently being used and spent on this one marathon, on freedom, should be redirected to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. why so? first of all, at the beginning, at the beginning of the full scale, maybe they brought some benefit to society, maybe they were organizers of some resistance and so on, but for the last one and a half years already. that's all, as practice and history have already shown, they have lost their relevance, their ratings and trust are falling to them is lost among the people, and besides

, i have a very big, if the claim is big for them, when they started trending to the whole world about a counteroffensive, now, now we will attack suddenly and all of them all peh-pah, we will win, and victory will come, cheers! and when the people believed this so very much and suddenly all of this did not happen, who was the most extreme of the armed forces, because they did not do what they wanted, and for some reason we do not drink coffee now in crimea, who was to blame turned out not to be them , who have become popular all over the world, and those who have not was able to do it due to many objective reasons, but this was also a big one, such and such criticism of the armed forces, something is at odds here with you again, i did not hear criticism of the armed forces, even such that, yes, you promised, but did not

did, i've never heard of that. i heard that some promised and others fought, that's what i heard, but neither i nor my colleagues criticized, i didn't hear that someone came out and said, our boys are not fighting well, our brave man does not know how to lead armies, and so on , and so on and the like, so you can go, go to the page of our favorite, i will not go the pages, i don't want to go into the pages, because if i go in, i'll never get out of the pages, if i just go in, well, i'll... never get out, but what i see, the general mood, i see it, that there are indeed problems, there are , but i always said that when someone tells me a simple solution, i always say, war is not an easy thing, and any solution during war is not easy, just take 2 billion, that 's at least thousands of families are left without money, for example, maybe, maybe they shouldn't

be paid, i just don't know, because... journalistic teams, not only journalists, there are illuminators, there is sound , light, there is back and forth, transport, it’s all somehow, well, it’s somehow maintained by livestock, well , now it won’t be maintained, there simply won’t be a marathon, they will work as they worked further, that’s it why, why, the question is that i'm not convinced that the oligarchs, that the oligarchs can, it's just beneficial to the collectives, because if you make a normal... vision now, it's impossible, there's nothing for it, there's no money to create it, there's no money, to send a film crew, create a documentary or artistic to make abnormal television , let's spend a lot of money in order to make abnormal television, then why is it, well, you tell me what normal television is, i've been waiting for normal television for 30 years, i didn't wait, and you say to make normal like this, and we have everything.

they said that there is no normal, you said , there is no normal, so let's do the abnormal, let's continue, it is as it is, there is no other, if you find where it lies, it is normal, give me the address, i will go look at this, where, where is it, like that there are such people in ukraine, such economy, such medicine, such education, such weapons and such everything, nothing new, we don't have anything else here. spare ukraine, where the roads are flat, the military-industrial complex has been stockpiling weapons and bc for 30 years, nobel laureates receive nobel prizes every day, but they don’t tell anyone, the world doesn’t know that we have a lot of them, what we have, how one ukrainian politician said, we have what we have, i can hardly imagine the existence of anything else, that is, we were.

many years without telethon, here you are, how do you live without doda, without these, let's say this, without a telethon, without the money that is allocated, somehow you work, the fifth channel works, direct works, somehow i can't say how works direct and fifth, about espresso i say that as i worked, before the war , before the revolution, before the second revolution before the first, this is how i work, sometimes on the radio, sometimes on television, i guess they find some kind of salary for me, thanks by god, yes, thank you very much, difficult questions, difficult ones we put before ourselves, which are not very easy to solve, maybe mr. pavlo bilous, on the right, in prizivka kabul , a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, a combat medic, a member of the executive council of the resistance, surrender movement, or maybe my question is correct, i don't know, i probably can't speak, because

after all, i'm a journalist, me. .. i can only publish the opinions of different people, and now the opinions of our editorial staff will help you find out what she thinks and what is happening in the world. iryna koval, and i say goodbye to you for good. 20:00 in ukraine, in the studio of iryna koval, and for your attention, a news release on the tv channel espresso. 31-year-old man.