covered this bazaar themselves, at least they did not provide evidence that the ukrainians did it, but there were 120-year-old min sentries lying around the bazaar, yes, but these are ukrainian troops 40 km from the bazaar, they cannot finish them off with mines and mortars, well, i mean that they tried to use this fact already in the un security council, they said there that a meeting should be called, let's listen to what... lavrov said there. the reality is that, despite the complete failure of the armed forces of ukraine on the battlefield, the western patrons of the kyiv regime continue push him with maniacal persistence to a senseless military confrontation. despite the fact that the kyiv regime survives thanks to western handouts, and even their spokesmen admit it, most ukrainians are starting.

mr. oleksiy, given that lavrov still has access to the united nations, russians are not expelled from there and are not discriminated against in any way, although they are in the organization's charter. the united nations is already there, most of the articles have been violated by the russian federation, how convincing do you think what broadcasts that also relays lavov, and what the russian mass media broadcast abroad about ukraine, because in the end they form public opinion, which then affects the elections, who is elected, whether there will be aid to ukraine or not, and of course.

now the russians are doing their best to ensure that the west is established in the opinion that ukrainians are terrorists, they should not be given weapons? look, today's story, i don't want to use the word tragedy, because i can clearly see the russian handwriting, there are two important things here: first, russia has not provided confirmation of information about 65 dead ukrainian soldiers, i.e. they had many statements that there were bodies there... 2-3 km away, many other things, many emotional statements, but there was no photo or video confirmation during for a long enough time, well, this is alarming to say the least , well, they may fix it later, but these are other things, question number two, i have analyzed in great detail how the propaganda machine works, but by and large we often overestimate the russians, they work quite recklessly , chaotic, their system crashes and... andean

and informational. today, i had the impression that, you know, the so-called homemade preparations, when everything was planned in advance, and statements were clearly made. and of course, against this background, our arguments look insufficient, especially against the background of the failure regarding the reports of individual ukrainian media. and you know what worries me is the phrase that the sources of our publication in the authorities will report. about one, two, three, i'm sorry, what are the sources, what can we be talking about when it comes to merging information that has a military component is a crime, it can be considered only as a crime, and it shows our vulnerability, that is , in the information sphere , we have a complete mess right now, i apologize , we need to call things by their names, that is, they comment on us the issues of the military sphere are all to whom... that is, the advisors

of the president's office begin to comment on the details of possible agreements with russia, there are demands on russia, the heads of military administrations, instead of commenting on the issue of bomb shelters in their region, they there they resort to philosophizing about everyone else's foreign policy issues, that is, in our country, everyone who reaches the microphone becomes a big star in the information field, and what should be done now? first, it is necessary to clearly define who in the country deals with propaganda issues, who is the main analytical center. in my opinion, now the key role should be played by the national security and defense council, that is, so far in the public sphere we do not see activity and actually its key, exclusive role in the issue strengthening our defense capability, that is, we see a lot of informative statements, beautiful gestures, beautiful words, bright statements, but

the real work, well, at least i do not observe it, but the nsdc should be the main analytical center of the country and the main center that would regulated... similar statements, similar interpretation, coordinated work with various branches of government, that is, this is precisely their duty. question number two: we really have a problem with telegram, but really, today i clearly saw several channels of millionaires who worked according to russian models , i apologize, they inflated the information that was picked up by the russian media and saturated them, but they did it on... emphasis, this is working against the enemy in terms of information, so tough decisions must be made in this matter, well , first of all, if we we do not have the technical ability to ban anonymous telegram channels, but i am not ready to say how technically possible it is, that is, we have telegram channels

of evaders, we have telegram channels where information about subpoenas is posted, telegram channels that drain the enemy video information about shelling. "if we can't technically ban telegram channels, let's ban the network, the telegram network for the period of martial law, i'm sorry, nothing terrible will happen, in the same way , vkontakte classmates cut off their earnings earlier, later russian television, the disaster did not happen, the disaster did not happen , and plus , at the same time, it is necessary to stop the information marathon, because the increase in the share of information from anonymous channels, well , in general, now 80% of ukrainians' main source of information is social networks, it catastrophe, and therefore, this is a response to the fact that trust in a single marathon, in a single button on television, is decreasing, and trust in it is increasing, you need to draw drastic

conclusions, mr. oleg, who would have, besides the nsdc, of ​​course, who would have in information policy... during wartime and martial law, who should play the first violin, because i, for example, do not really imagine that the secretary of the national security council, oleksiy danilov, would be able to organize this work, well, that is, excuse me, but after how we have been disconnected for two years without t2, three tv channels, no one can answer why this happened, and it is impossible to restore justice. because, well, someone turned off the switch, they said that espresso, the fifth channel and direct should be turned off, although we include both representatives of the government and representatives of the opposition, everyone is included, and we do not have any

, no reservations about this, and that what is said about the fact that espresso belongs to petro poroshenko is not true, that is, it is simply not true at all, who, who in your opinion, should take this role in the country, i don't know, the tertei judge, i don't know, the regulator, the regulator and information flows, because in order to ban telegram, obviously, a decision of the national security council is needed, but the decision of the national security council, someone has to prepare anyway, well , look, if we are talking about bans, after all, we are at war with russia, and we have all the disadvantages of playing for the good guys. and russia takes advantage of all the advantages of the boys' game, and it must also be taken into account that not all methods are available to us, those used by the russians, in particular, any ban, and it, of course, can be an exception administrative decision, but then it must be absolutely legitimate internally in

society and externally, that is, it must be prepared, clarified, explained, pointed at, and then, as an exception to such a step, under other circumstances, of course, there must be a judicial the process when... the strange thing is that if you work out the argumentative base well, why something needs to be blocked, for example, or prohibited, then it itself is the material for the court, and then any court will make a decision, as well as that or is legally prohibited another, for example, a telegram channel. if we talk about anonymous media, then they are anonymous only conditionally, because there are always ip-addresses that can be calculated, there are always financial chains that can be traced. there are always other digital traces that remain, so it is only a matter of skill of their technical technological ability to do it, it is clear that the information space needs to be protected, and here the question is for specialized special services and the cyber police, who have the necessary tools to do this. the second issue is actually countering propaganda

substantive, it is not so much about the issue of counter-narratives or counter-propaganda, it does not work, and in fact it is ineffective, you always need to raise the level a little. above and propose an agenda that will simply encompass propaganda narratives, enemies and already use them in your game, this is always intellectual work, so this is a question for, again, or the special services, or for the creation of a system of state orders and cooperation with specialized analytical centers and commercial structures, that is, it should be understanding of the state, there should be a priority of this issue and that it is not solved simply by administrative methods or communication, this issue is solved much more systematically and deeply, and here work is needed analytically, intellectually, and the third point, this is actually strategic communications, not confused... with pr , because the strategist is not only about pr and marketing, it is a much broader and deeper

issue, and accordingly, anyone can be this communication center, it can be the office of the president, it can be the nsdc, it can be the cabinet of ministers, there may be an appointed commander , there may be dynamics once a day or once a week, it does not matter how it is structured, it is all already adjusted depending on what goals are set and in what context we exist, how dynamically information changes, which from the day as today is needed. would be to immediately create a communication stake and every hour a speaker should come out and inform about the events surrounding this plane in parallel with this with the legal position, with pictures, with everything, including various representatives of different services, military, etc. it was necessary to give as much information as possible, everyone should be tired of the flow of information from ukraine and leave no room for these russian insinuations and their manipulations. they should reflect back at the takeoff, which is called, and some days , perhaps once a day at all, it is worth

giving some kind of digest, it can be any structure, but it should be a key, central one, which is endowed with the right to form strategic communications and primacy in providing it externally, then the checkerboard is signed for specialized services, each in its own the person responsible for the field can communicate within the limits and in the space of his responsibility, as independently as possible, decentralized, but exactly in his field. responsibility, and then there would not be a situation when we currently have up to 10 speakers of various officialdoms from different departments who can communicate on a military issue, five departments handle a diplomatic situation and communicate with people of various ranks and ranks, half of them who do not bear responsibility and they are not even state civil servants, and so you don't know who to turn to and from whom for each of the issues indeed, this final state position is wrong and this... brings only ambiguity and mistrust to the public communications of ukraine at that time, so it is three planes: the cyber plane,

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there are discussions about the german taurus, whether they will be long-range missiles or not, foreign ministers. minister of ukrainian affairs, kuleb, in an interview with bild, said that negotiations with the german government on the supply of long-range missiles are still ongoing and that ukraine does not lose hope of receiving them. let's listen to what kuleba said. we don't need taurus to attack moscow. we don't need long-range missiles that provided by western partners to attack moscow or any other part of russian territory. we need taurus to destroy russia. military infrastructure behind the front line on the territory of ukraine. at the same time , information appeared with a reference to the german newspaper handelsblad that britain offers germany to buy back the taurus, in return great britain will give the schow storm

additional long-range missiles. of course , this work carried out by ukraine on... the international arena depends on many factors, including propaganda, how media resources work , including, if you compare how russia works, how ukraine works on international platforms and in general in the international field, let's say, information, mr. oleksiy, you can say how much our counter-propaganda, which interferes russian propaganda on... the international arena, whether it exists at all, whether we can compete and what we compete with, here it is very important to objectively perceive what is happening in the world information field, because for the last four months or so intense pressure on republicans in the united states, on republican politicians, to make a decision in favor of

ukraine, and very often when ukrainians hear the words that this is the last chance for ukraine. the last funds of the american government remained there, the pentagon was evaluated very poorly there, and we are feeling a sense of panic, that is, we began to perceive the last 3-4 months emotionally and panic, because there was a huge flurry of statements, and therefore for us ukrainian citizens it must be understood that most of these statements, the vast majority of statements, this is not even an objective assessment, this is an attempt to put emotional pressure on the republicans, this is a kind of campaign. influence, and here i don’t know how to characterize it , or to say, unfortunately, or to say realistically, the ukrainian authorities have also joined this work and also do sometimes for... which many must perceive as panic, here every statement must be considered separately, but it is quite natural that our position, ours is such

, perhaps even a panic position, it should influence the republicans, and therefore actually, i would like to convey the point that we need a higher percentage of optimism, that what the world press writes about, what the world politicians declare, it is not necessarily a realistic picture, it is not necessarily... a pragmatic view, this is a certain campaign of influence, but at the same time, at the same time, i get the impression that on many topics, the key issues of our foreign policy, they are either not clearly thought out, or there is no such pragmatic line. i see relations with slovakia, relations with hungary. after all, we are simply playing tricks on a lot of things, on many issues. we are playing the younger brother, we are playing to please our western allies as much as possible, instead of defending certain pragmatic interests, that is, i

mean, i do not remember when the ambassador of slovakia or the ambassador of hungary was summoned to kyiv for anti-ukrainian statements there , let's say some high-ranking officials, i do not see that at the level of the ukrainian authorities or ukrainian politicians carefully hinted to hungary that... we will solve the issue not only of multiple citizenship, we will resolve the issue that people with dual citizenship cannot work in the civil service and self-government bodies, meaning those eu citizens who live in transcarpathia and have a second hungarian passport in their pocket. i think that only such hints, such a tougher pragmatic line, would allow, well , in a certain way, to change the position in a certain way. i am not talking about a drastic change there, but to change the position of the hungarians in a certain way, that is, we need to change strategies in certain areas, view them in their entirety. thank you, mr. oleksiy,

mr. volodymyr, i am not asking about this counter-propaganda for nothing, because we know that in principle there is only one telethon, it is usually directed at the internal consumer, at the external consumer. the energy and opportunities of the freedom tv channel should be directed there , i don't know, and we don't have innovation anymore, although it was once and i still remember it, and you also remember the newspaper visti from ukraine, it seems that it was also called comradestove, comradestove of ukraine, which, which worked abroad near golden gates, for some reason it is not practiced in our country, that is, is it? can this partially solve the tasks facing the ukrainian state, or do we still need to rely on the international media, influential media, but on the condition that we

send the right messages there, well, not like serhiy leshchenko sent a message to europe that it is necessary to reduce aid to the refugees there so that they return home faster, well, this is what leshchenko created, it is simply evidence that... in the last six months, perhaps, the political authorities in ukraine are not dealing with the state, but with their own survival, so when oleg talks about strategic communications, look, we have one super important topic that should be interrupting russian narratives today. russia is conducting an election campaign in the occupied territories , which is an international crime, and the ukrainian authorities... are snoring in a rag and no one will even open their mouths about it, that is, we have a bunch of completely unqualified

, greedy nutcrackers in power, who think of sleeping anywhere earn and wake up, wake up with the thought, if only to save our own ass, us it is necessary to save our state, they have forgotten what work for victory is, why, why , in fact, how much international communication has been launched... in recent months, the behavior of the chairman of the verkhovna rada stefanchuk, who blocks the participation of deputies in all kinds of international conferences and inter-parliamentary communications , is especially absolutely criminal languages, and this is precisely one of those important mechanisms that should convey ukraine's position day and night regarding the occupied territories and the rights of ukrainians in russia, no one talks about it at all. no one does talks about it, but why, why, mr. olezh, this communication is missing, really, mr.

volodymyr is talking about you. which are expected in the temporarily occupied territories, and in principle the topic here is quite simple: there are putin's elections, and they will be legitimized, including in these regions, which in these regions, which are temporarily part of the russian federation under their constitution, that is, if they will vote for him there, then there is no need to tell the world, he is the self-proclaimed president of the russian federation, as a matter of fact. legitimacy in principle can be established , say, as we, as they calculated there, but if those regions that are not part of the russian federation voted for him, then can he be perceived as the president of russia at all? unfortunately, everything here depends on how ready the world is to take this tough position, because since the 14th year in russia, elections have been held in the occupied territories of ukraine, in particular in crimea, which russia officially annexed, and

accordingly, nevertheless. putin remained servile for a long enough time, because the world is on it was closing his eyes. currently, ukraine has conducted a number of communications well in advance of that, including the vote in paris regarding the non-recognition of the elections of russia and putin, his re-election as president in these elections. that is, certain activities were nevertheless carried out in this way. another thing is that there is no system support for this topic. and here it would be necessary to build a main narrative. what is a narrative? this is definitely a story line, plot, story. and then messages and all other events should be strung on her, and in this way case, this plot could continue to live on its own with only limited mentions and limited throwing of facts in order for it to continue its existence, this is a certain strategic work in the modern form with communications, and not just going out there and working out the message of boxing, which no one will not turn and watch one and a half people online, unfortunately, systematicity is generally not

a strong point of ukrainians. state apparatus, for all the years of independence, and everything depends very much on whether a professional and strong personal figure heads a certain institution or not, with someone they work more or less normally, with someone they do not work at all, with someone they work in the red. we understand that the personnel, unfortunately, today is far from ideal in many areas, and those people who are specialists in their places, well, they cannot pull everything on themselves, and accordingly , there is not enough strategy, ukraine mostly reacts already on fires that have flared up and... and somewhere more efficiently, somewhere less, more efficiently extinguishes them. if you compare russian and ukrainian the presence of a pro-pandian outwardly, then , of course, objectively, russia has a greater presence, but also due to the fact that a, they have much more resources for this, b, they inherited the soviet network even before that , and developed it all these years, they understood perfectly well that it is for them one of the key weapons of the world's mass disinformation, and thirdly, that they can afford anything, since they are playing for the bad guys anyway in...

gentlemen, excuse me, time for our program is coming to an end, i really wanted to ask oleksiy briefly, literally 20 seconds, regarding the legitimacy of putin in the occupied territories , this is an extremely important topic that you raised, and here, what is important, we need to work now, because putin's election is a little less than two months away, and here is the thesis about , that the elections are illegitimate precisely because of the occupied territories, and putin... we can name there at the beginning of april exclusively as a self-proclaimed president, we need to work with the world now, demand it first of all from the big players, from the united states, germany, great britain, of the netherlands and a few more, we have to put a full stop, sorry, i have a schedule, oleksiy koshel, oleg saahakyan and volodymyr tsibulko were guests of our program today, thank you gentlemen for participating in the program, during our program we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following , do

you trust anonymous. telegram channel, let's see how our viewers voted on tv, 6% trust, 94%, no, the level of distrust is quite high, and the same results on the youtube channel, 6 trust, 94%, no. let's put an end to our program, ladies and gentlemen gentlemen, thank you for your attention, i wish you all the best, take care of yourself and your family, goodbye.