to live, just to survive , now the number one question, words are very important, we will continue to talk about it now, but we will connect via skype our guest, vadym ivchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on issues of national security, defense and intelligence , mr. vadim, can you hear us, good evening, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, yes, everyone can hear very well, it is clear that all ukrainians are interested in what will happen with the mobilization law. will he finally be in the parliament in the form in which the people want him deputies will be ready to vote, with all those amendments, with all those points that will not contradict either the constitution or human rights, but simply reflect the needs that the armed forces of ukraine currently have, because the fact that we need this law this is probably already understood by all of us, because we have the previous one from previous years from... first, what new

information do you have, perhaps, regarding this important document? well, first of all, the law has not yet reached the parliament, it is still being worked out in the government, it was an initiative the government of the ministry of defense, we worked with this initiative for 5 days, and we advocated the minister of education, the national police, and the civil service, they came to us and asked: to take into account their proposals, since the government did not listen then, they voted unanimously and passed everything it's to the parliament. of course, we recommended correcting many norms, choosing those norms that violate the constitution, aligning the norms that allow the tsc to work normally, return the norms for the disabled, make such a discretion between those who... then fight in the body,

or provides the armed forces, or provides those who are at zero, it is meant, for demobilization, we proposed our terms , but the general staff has to decide on specific terms, that is, we proposed 36 months, if you are mobilized, work, well, as it were, you help in the rear, and 12 months, if you did combat missions at zero, a lot of things the national security committee has worked out, so far we have not been able to officially adopt these recommendations, because the government has withdrawn its initiative, because it has withdrawn, we are waiting for a new one accordingly bill, and when this bill appears in the parliament, everyone will be notified, it will actually be posted on the website, and we will be able to see the actual text that was taken into account during this month's discussion. what

was not taken into account and why it was not taken into account , that is, another discussion will begin already in the parliament, and well, the corresponding adoption of the corresponding bill in the first and in general, in the first reading and in general, mr. vadim, tell me, and how do the representatives generally react , including the ministry of defense on these yours remarks, especially in the context of the fact that we now understand that this is still the process of adopting this law, well, it did not happen quickly, because the first... when the editions of this law appeared, well, it seemed that there were even in our studio, mr. stetsky indicated that it is necessary to vote, and the president can sign it the next day as an urgent law according to some legal regulations, i won’t mention it, it’s just that in our studio he can sign this prolynalo the next day, now we understand that a month of discussion, there will be more discussion, how can you evaluate this process when this law is expected? it is difficult

to say as soon as it is accepted by the government, and we will all know that the government has accepted it, it will be registered in the verkhovna rada in two hours, within two hours, and the text will actually appear on the website of the verkhovna rada, and it means, it means that you and i will see. as far as the standards that we recommended are concerned, they were taken into account, and then we will see how quickly the relevant bill will be adopted. for now , i want to say that the ministry of defense, here i am here i want to thank the committee, we didn't have politics here, we sat down and analyzed each norm, but why did you choose disabled people of the third group there, and we analyzed each position, because one side is disabled without the third. or with a non-working leg, and it's one

story whether he can perform combat tasks in that case, and another side if he has, for example, flatopia there or some other things there. well, some diseases that also fit under the third group, can such a person sit on anti-aircraft guns and shoot down drones over our cities, and we talked about many, many other issues, so there was such a constructive work that the general staff, well, they answered all the questions, as they saw it, we, on the other hand, from our side of practice, we showed how it happens from the point of view view of the work, because we hear from people how the vlk happens. in the tsc, what is happening in the tsc, why aren't the registers filled, why do they offer reservations to some, and a postponement to others? others were given reservations, that is, some could

be mobilized, and others could not be mobilized, and we made a decision that everyone should be in the same conditions and everyone should be on... the reservation should be made according to the decision of the cabinet of ministers according to the pasat criteria and the staff list , but no more than 50% of the actual positions that the relevant institution has, and many other things. therefore , let's look at the law and we will clearly see the speed of its implementation, if there are many norms that they will not accept, say from after our all unions. this means that it will be difficult to pass, if many norms are still accepted by the ministry of defense and the general staff, and some are so insignificant, then i think it will pass the first reading quite quickly and move to the stage of amendments to the second reading. mr. vadim, is the parliament in general ready

to share this responsibility together with the government for this draft law, because so far what we have heard from other people's deputies who were also in our studio, and even from the servants of the people, it seems that this so little... shifting responsibility from one person to another, that the government has done something wrong, we will not vote for it, because we are good, we are on the side of the people, but then in fact we do not have anything beyond this law, who is the author of this law at all, this it will be umerov, it will be a soldier, or it will be a joint law from the government, how does it look, you know, you asked the question straight to the point, i have been in the field for more than 12 years. in the verkhovna rada, i will say that it is difficult for politicians to make, let's say, such unpopular decisions. law on mobilization, he is precisely unpopular for a politician, but

for the state, for the armed forces, for the guys who are mobilized and do not know when they will be demobilized, to restore order with the draft of the tsk, with'. and so on, this law is needed. now the question is, who should make it? of course, it must be submitted by the commander-in-chief, which means, in our case, the president, who is irrelevant, because this is not his parish, the chairman is actually the president , of course, he did not submit it, so the initiator, his representative in the government, is the ministry of defense, according to the constitution, this is a direct norm of the president. to determine two ministers of foreign affairs and the ministry of defense, therefore the ministry of defense is the initiator in the government, and the ministry of defense is actually the main communicator and should be the main communicator, this is how it should be, they should defend each position, and the deputies should

discuss from a non-political point of view , or you like it or you don't like it, you know, but from the point of view of the statesman's position , what needs to be changed, what should be reported to the constitution, where will they, so to speak, evade, if they evade, how will this law be circumvented, if there will be and so on, that is, in fact, the deputies have to slightly adjust the initiatives that the government will submit, so of course it will be difficult for the parliamentary factions to make a decision, that's for sure, because this is a decision after all, let's say so unpopular, but... but if the majority of the recommendations, still, well, let's say, the informal recommendations of our committee are taken into account, i think that the majority of factions in the parliament will vote. thank you, vadym ivchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee on national issues

of security, defense and intelligence, was skype. mykola knyazhytskyi, let's continue this topic , because actually, people have a lot of questions, they don't understand why they can't... agree in the parliament, because it's like we're saying that it's so important, we have to vote, we have to go to the front to defend , who has not yet mobilized and who should have done so, but on the other hand there is no understanding, the people's deputies in the parliament are not at all afraid that this... will anger people even more, well, look, we have not only people's deputies in the parliament, we the president in the parliament, who is afraid that it will flood people, and because, as vadim says, he himself does not submit this bill, what is mobilization, it is a complex process that coordinates a lot of different things, first of all, really, who is needed in of the army, the general staff submits an application , it is currently classified, the general staff has already said that we never talked about 500 00 all at once, but said that it ... stretches over a certain period of time, it is generally needed for many years, now this to fulfill the application, we need

to see who we need in the state management, who do we need in the national economy, who do we really need in the army , how do we recruit these people, and this is the business of the entire government, it is not the business of the minister of the ministry of defense, this is exactly the business of the minister of economy, because excuse me, we say that we we want to produce ukrainian weapons, well, now the government has decided that these weapons manufacturers will not be subject to mobilization, but what about, for example, the beautiful lviv academic symphony orchestras, of which there are two, and where there are 50 people who glorify all of ukraine, and you took away three trumpeters from there and that's all, and they will not glorify ukraine, and for the army this issue will not be solved, and at the same time, on the one hand, some guys went as volunteers in the first days, others slurped when they got a call from to the military, the soldiers went to serve, someone is hiding and running away, because... fight, because there is no explanatory work, there is no effective recruitment, well, look at the units or

units that conduct this recruitment, here we see the third assault unit, they are dealing with with this, then people go there to serve, because when you look at the army, well, i have a son in the army, i go to see him, i see that there are many specialties where a good computer specialist can find himself, he will not necessarily go to the front line, is he a good one , or a person who can work with a drone, or a person who has some other profession, you just need to explain it to people. why does it happen in our country that in israel, when there is a war, they have another problem, everyone goes to the army and they have nowhere to push them, they have nowhere to send them, suddenly everyone starts fleeing, well, when the president flees like a potato, it throws it on the government, the government flees, throws it on the parliament, the parliament flees, throws it back on the president or the government, then people think that it must be something so terrible, terrible and unprepared, and there is no need to arrange this bazaar, the president must invite key ministers, the military cabinet, so that they prepare a professional... law and simply implement it honestly and fairly. now we have adopted the law on

the so-called registers, which is also needed. and this, you see, a lot of people in our country cover themselves with mobilization, this law needed for mobilization. we started it as a law in order to provide the ubd of combatants in a digital version quickly, so that people would not stand there for a long time in their stomachs, they did not have to complete all this, we started talking about the register of military personnel. here we have already added a register of conscripts, which is also needed , because we perfectly understand that all our work was a failure, because the tcc or military mothers never had an effective base, and therefore the people who went to thero on the first day , saved ukraine, they were taken for a completely different purpose, no that's why they were going to go there, put them at the front and they are defending ukraine, it saved the central committee at the first stage, but what to do next? then electronic registers were made, a whole law was prepared. this law, frankly, contradicts one article with another, because we already have a valid law on the registry. this contradicts the fact that it is not clear who has the right to enter the register, whether it is the central committee, the ministry

of defense, or the general staff, each person will then challenge it in court, win in court, and it will not work, which was supposed to it is simple for the government to issue the relevant resolution, which, in accordance with the current law on registers, will create a register of conscripts and military personnel with a simple form, thought out with responsible legal work and quickly implement it, instead... we arrange dances around mobilization, arrange dances around registries, we bring laws of poor quality, because the same law on registries includes, needs a whole series of personal data that is not necessary for mobilization, because the people who wrote it used what can we we will then use it for elections, for the voter register and for many other of our political goals, they did not think about mobilization, as a result, that law contradicted the constitution, they made amendments, unbalanced the law, it will be difficult for him to... work, now they do not know how he will work, this is called political irresponsibility of the highest

ukrainian authorities at all levels, first of all it is in the majority of the president and the government, because if there was responsibility, they would have called really the best specialists, we are talking about a government of national trust, not because someone needs power, but because when there is real trust between people, you can call the best lawyers, do it quickly, without organizing a bazaar, draft people, fire those who serve with... day, although it must be said, it is difficult to do, because it is very difficult to demobilize people in a warring country, we all understand this very well, but the need exists, someone has really bad health, someone can take some respite, so that later... go to the front again, count it, we arrange pr games , some do not want to do anything, others submit 10 alternative bills and say, we will release all of you in 5 months, you understand, and they arrange pr games around the national security of the state, at this time, the army not only has no soldiers, there are no shells, we understand this very well, there are no

drones, because where are our millions and billions of drones, for the kitchen, people will collect them in the kitchens, there is no ammunition. there are not very many necessary things, the requests of the general staff are not carried out, because everyone thinks that the war will somehow become stale by itself, the enemy will somehow loses, the americans and europeans will somehow give us billions, and we will reach moscow tomorrow, war is a responsible story, both for every official and for every citizen. ms. ksenia kleim, i think i can quote your post, from january 17 you published it publicly, such a short dialogue. you are doing well, everyone is alive , the most desired words for which you are waiting for eternity, and between that, the eternity of the ocean of prayers, thank god for everything, ms. xana, i think, well, you do not hide it on your facebook, your son serves as you oh, well, on the one hand, me i quote, this is something that really brings tears to my eyes, and on the other hand, we inside the state,

including in the parliament and in the ministry of defense, have not been able to come to terms with it for a month now. regarding the mobilization of those who have to go to the front, there are absolutely two worlds. ksenia, please, at first there were problems with the sound, we apologize. can't stand the equipment, hard moment. these two worlds appeared in us, if in the first days of february 24, my husband and i were already sub-military commissars, and it was simply not possible to get there, even for passing, not that there to that, these registers, here, and somehow together we

saved this country in the literal sense of the word, and here in lviv we felt the war in the same way as we did in bucha, or its fables back then, or in avdiivka and in these other hot spots, er, i am today, for the second year on february 13, it will be exactly two years since the lviv 80th went to the front line, because they already clearly knew what would happen... they would carry out these terrible tasks, which we are called to be or not to be, in these incomplete two years, a lot of the population of our country got used to it, somehow adapted and think it is true that the war will surely

end there, but look at the rhetoric of our western... western neighbors, look at nato, how clearly they send the message that the war can absolutely really affect them too, and we somehow don't even care we don't do that, you quoted this post of mine from which i recently published, this is how every ukrainian mother, every ukrainian woman, man lives. whether the father is those who have children or husbands, or whether the parents are at war. we live really from message to message, today i still haven't received it, and i try to smile so as not to cry , i laugh, er, i try to do something, i try to find myself anywhere just to

help, to somehow bring this time of victory closer, and you know, every day everything becomes... . harder and harder, because you understand that you really put this law on mobilization on hold, well, as you had a quote, you put it on pause, and on this side nothing happens on the pause, there is just a mass of this m' a jackhammer that sends its citizens, you know, i heard such a quote from a captive brain. he was asked, what about you? you go to this war, you understand that you are simply being erased, well, you are just this meat, he says: yes, i understand, because... we have 14 million mobilization reserves, here, in ukraine, it now, hearing these discussions,

i understand that we have it somehow, well, it is approaching zero, recently i was just walking down the street of lviv, and this situation really shook me somehow, there were three military men, i realized that this representatives and... and they, you understand, they were like driven animals like that, they looked with such somehow, you know, they lowered their eyes, uh, today we made them even bigger, probably enemies, than those who launch rockets at us in lviv, and it hurts me a lot, because it is on the enemy's movement, which at any moment he can take the life of not only my son, but even us civilians here in lviv , didn’t this example of buchyn show us that really the enemy is not fighting with the ukrainian army, as the commander said, but with

the ukrainian people, they don’t need us this land, we are now in a struggle, the second a year about whether to be for us or not for everyone, mr. magto, i will ask you a question, i will not direct it to the military. because it will be wrong, but still, and why so, that is the problem that we have entered the second year of a full-scale, invasion, full-scale war in that issue with legislation, in the fact that there is no understanding of the cabinet of ministers, the parliament, in that , about which mr. andrii said that we need to create some other formats of calling people to the army, well , we should have talked about it a long time ago, and we are talking about it talked really in our studios, the fact is that this was not done, why? unfortunately, there are many reasons, but i would like to talk not only about the reasons, but also about how to get out of this

situation. we don't have, we have to realize that the resource of popular solutions has ended, that's it, it's gone, and it has to be an awareness from above, that is, we have a commander-in-chief, a president, and mobilization. the organization, this is his political responsibility, this is the norm of the legislation actually, further discussion and everything else, this is already a process, well, if you want, such is not purely mechanical, but he, he must be connected with several things, well, for example, what mr. mykola spoke about, when there is no clear understanding of who and when they can be called, then people simply often stop going to work , and we are all , we, we are in... this way, by the way, we give russia the opportunity to use various propaganda things, talk about how people are scooped up, and this undermines our

defense capability in the rear, not only the number of armed forces , therefore mobilization as such, it cannot be carried out as a single, well, as one moment, you know, just to pass a law that applies exclusively to the military. volunteers committed there , non-volunteers, it does not matter in this case, it should also be a recognition at the highest state level that the war will continue for an unspecified long period, we do not know, well , it is already clear that it is not two or three weeks, there is no longer this thesis, aristovych has already renounced even the thesis of two or three weeks, we must understand that the transition to... military rails of the economy, including, and we have in our region the demand for weapons, it will

exist for the next 10 years, regardless, even if the war, god forbid, ends tomorrow, because aggressive russia is not going anywhere, and we have to create , which we did not create in 23 months, the algorithm for dismantling russia. to tell about it to our western partners, because among them many simply do not understand what the world should be like without russia, they cannot imagine it, we talked about the fact that people from us bought theirs for 5 million audiovisual products, and they have much more money, this is a huge sales market where you can make huge profits, practically, well, almost any business, if... it enters the russian market, it can buy raw materials cheaply and sell goods with a high added value , this is about, well, an ideal economic model,

therefore... it must be a complex, well, a complex of transformations, and what, what we said, that is , the government of national unity, we will come to this, we have no other way out, because the responsibility must be expanded responsibility, and not to narrow it, because there is a direct dependence, the greater the concentration of power, the greater the responsibility, and when the juggling of numbers begins, when, well, ... it's worse - it's unknown to a person , but we all want to know , what will happen next, in all moments, and here is the moment when the war is a terrible test, which during the 23 months of a large-scale invasion has affected the vast majority of ukrainian citizens, directly or indirectly, we just need more

clear ones for today. clear decisions, and this is no one, not me heard, maybe mr. mykola will correct me, maybe they dissolved the monomajority in the verkhovna rada, or it disappeared somewhere, dissolved like sugar in lviv coffee, where is it, well, that is, when it was possible to vote for decisions that gave financial profit, then it was , and when it was necessary that what mr. vadim said about... unpopular decisions, it somehow does not exist, not even the majority, we are at the beginning of a large-scale invasion of the verkhovna rada, well, it was not formalized, but it was announced: the coalition of victory in the format the constitutional majority without the opzh, so where is it, well, that is, it must be, i think that my military colleagues, they will correct what happened from the adoption of the decision on mobilization, on new

rules. it will take a certain amount of time to prepare a certain number of people, we can already see that this year there will be no ukrainian counteroffensive information game, because, by the way, we have already lived through a full year of a large-scale war, but the 23rd year was full from the first to last second, and this should be the year of our sobriety, the year of what we draw from it. presence of opzh in the parliament is generally scared, they are there, well , well, that is, they have access to everything we are talking about, the law on mobilization, to all kinds of nuances, and we are sure of them, mr. mykola, that no, it is obvious that this well, they are even needed, because they vote for the authorities, when this majority, part of it dissolved in lviv coffee like sugar, and that's why they seem to be lacking, and they help the authorities vote for various

unpopular things, but you understand that they are everywhere, they are in local self-government bodies, they are, they are everywhere anything, and they feel great , no problem happened to them at all, they just changed the signs and inscriptions, like those presenters from the marathon, who yesterday glorified russia there and talked about soviet holidays, and today they became the greatest patriots, and tomorrow they will change them again flag, on the one hand , it is good that you have become patriots, on the other hand , you must be responsible for what you do, take responsibility and do something, and not just serve the authorities at this time. in order to save and save your bets, for one thing side, it is good that they became patriots, but it is bad that they became patriots for money, of course, mr. nazarril, i have a question for you, there are a lot of discussions in our chat and in general about the fact that the biggest problem of the mobilization process is the misunderstanding of many for those who are currently unmobilized , how much they are being mobilized and when they will be demobilized, what do you think? military

in general to relate to this discussion, because i know that in the military environment, well, in fact, the position is not always clear-cut, especially the attitude to this, especially among those who are wounded, recover and immediately return to the front, although they may have all the reasons and reasons to demobilize, but if you look at the discussion of ordinary ukrainians, then this issue of demobilization is simply the most pressing, what to do with it and how do you feel about... this is important, if possible, i will return to the previous, to the previous question, our brigade 103, 21 months in the combat zone on the front edge, now we have quite heavy fighting in the direction of kupinsk, do they want , demobi