there will be demobilization, so how do you , as a military person, feel about this discussion in general, because i know that in the military environment, well , in fact, the situation is not always clear-cut, especially the attitude towards this, especially among those who are wounded, recover and immediately return again to the front, although he might have all the reasons and reasons to demobilize, but if you look at the discussion of ordinary ukrainians, then this issue of demobilization is simply the hottest. ugh, what to do with it and how to treat it, this is important, if possible, i will return to the previous, to the previous question, our brigade 103, 21 months in the combat zone on the front edge, now we have quite heavy fighting in the direction of kupinsk, do they want to be demobilized, do they want to be taken to some safe place? do they want

a rotation do you think, well of course they probably do, but how hard is it to hold those positions, how hard is it to hit them, and when we're going to get a lot of people or a little lot of people that are just going to get caught by force on the streets, they will be drafted into the army, they will be given body armor, a machine gun and they will be placed in positions, or a lot of soldiers will go. such a rotation, probably not, because they will return from the rotation, they will have to fight back these positions again, eh, do the military want help and new conscripts, they probably want it and really want it, but now after these almost two years, all the same the war has become more modern, that is, it is not the first days when... everything was unclear,

specialists are needed, now the war is quite big, it is ipv-drones, it, that is, it has become very modern, and the requirements for the military are already much higher, i would probably like, at the moment when we have mobilization, to separate people a little, because we have a lot of specialists, engineers, yes, which, well, we don’t we can... we can make a sniper or a mortar out of it, we can, but it takes time, but in return, it can quickly and efficiently perform functions, assemble props, assemble any drones, prepare a radio-electronic intelligence system, many, well, countless different affairs, functions, uh, does it need to be on volunteer basis...

gardens or still mobilize? probably still mobilize such people, create some, i don’t know, institutions, parts that will precisely, if it is a good specialist, assemble drones, learn, for a month, two or three, you will go to the guys once, there you will fly with them , the second time, and surely time will pass and you will want to go to this front after all, because everything ... that we forcefully force to fight now, it is not effective, well, well, actually, it is not effective, we are wasting money, so what needs to be done, needs to be fed, needs to be provided with weapons, and in return it is not brings a lot of benefit, it is probably better to leave some part of the people in the places here, they will bring much more benefit if they collect.

rony, they will, well, prepare a lot of things that will help us to perform high-quality and effective work there, there are many people who can fight, who once completed military service in the 14th year, who were demobilized once, they need to be mobilized, they need to be trained and here on the ground, and as mr. andrii says, it is really necessary in the communities in the otg. to create educational centers, some training grounds, which, we need to somehow raise the spirits of the people, because, well, in the first days, i went as a volunteer on february 25, i didn’t have any questions at all, except for one goal: there is a war in our country, we need to do all in order to stop this war, now the time has come for people, now people looked at the losses, people... were worried about the servicemen who

were wounded, many people began to try to find options, after all, how to avoid this. this is probably the most important point, people still need to raise this moral point spirit, because the most important thing is victory now, and to do everything so that we win as soon as possible, because there will be no victory, this is all the rest of what we are talking about, about language, it will not be necessary at all, so surely after all, this is mobilization recruitment, it is needed. it is necessary to somehow explain to people a little bit, give them more, probably specifics , er, regarding the time of demobilization, how long it should be, you know, a very

difficult question, how to answer it correctly, should it be a year or it has be two, it is difficult for me to say if it is combat... the brigade has been in the combat zone at the front for a year or a year and a half, it is combat-ready, it performs combat tasks qualitatively, it does not lose ground, it probably needs to be withdrawn for a while to a safer place, let her recuperate, let her still gain strength, replenish her ammunition, whether it is necessary to release completely, and whether we are ready to do ... a large number of people who could rotate so often, so everything- anyway, i'm probably not ready to answer, whether it should be a year or two, here is probably the first question, and will there be an equivalent

replacement, yes, will there be an equivalent replacement, because it is all very difficult, with very large battles, large losses, and well, it has to be. .. if it would be worthy, well, such a worthy replacement for us , that’s why mr. andrii can say, after all, well, in time , how, because i’m not ready to answer whether it’s a year or two, you heard, i’ll still give ms. ulyana kuzyk the word , what the fighters with whom you communicate say about this mobilization law, in general about the situation surrounding mobilization, which they see what you see, hear from people, how do you perceive this problem, because... well , we say that this is a problem that needs discussion, well, in fact, it is a problem, because we really lack people, er, even elementary in the headquarters, something needs to be done on the documents, because we have a kind of paper

army, no matter how we say it, but i really hope that the president will finally sign bill 1039, which will simplify the system of military discharges. because i have the impression that the boys are really fighting with some papers, besides, it is very small the number of people, well, who are engaged in this, accordingly, there is a need for mobilization, it is really necessary, there are a lot of guys who already really, well, they just don't charge there, it 's not about guys from the beginning on a full scale, and there are people who since the 14th in the war, and i just understand that these... my brothers, well, most of their lives are already living in the war, and they need rotation, they already left at 20, they are already 40, well, 30, 30 something is already happening, well, you understand, it is not good that someone is fighting, someone is running away, i would like

to add that, well, i don't think there is, maybe there are such commanders who take a mobilized person who has no experience at all and put them somewhere in a position. but it is honestly a sin to cost this commander, because no normal commander will put a fighter at zero who has no experience at all, well, i don’t know what this commander should think of to throw such a person at zero, usually, we really appreciate pilots, we know, they are dusty, because they are very valuable guys, it is very difficult, they were studying, it is not that he went somewhere there in a couple of days, it is that they are constantly passing. education, so i would like to convey that it is not enough that we all have to learn, there are no options here, someone will leave, someone can help, but there will definitely not be those who will stand aside, well, maybe they will run away again, as they say abroad, but we all have to learn, because if you

can imagine, our guys are constantly learning, that is , we are constantly sending new drones, new slaves, a lot of new things for additional training in the field of medicine. technologies that appear, and unfortunately, muscovites always go ahead, and we somehow catch up with them and cannot catch up to the end, because when in one the zone worked in... drones and everything was okay, on the second day all the drones are not working and we have to look for new technologies again, although before that we already understood that sooner or later it will not work, so we are very behind and we need to learn, and i generally encourage everyone to learn, this is even elementary paramedicine to provide emergency aid, because what he said to his comrades is that the most important thing... is to survive, that's all, eh, it's not necessary to go into battle, i'll kill you there yu all muscovites and

will return in victory, it is necessary to go into battle and think about the fact that you must survive, that's all there is nothing more, so we all have to think about it, because there are different situations , and god forbid he flies here, and you also have a neighbor next to you, and he needs to put a tourniquet on him , you don't know anything, you are in a panic, that's why you always have to undergo some kind of psychological training, and be able to... shoot, and be able to fly a drone, there is nothing wrong with that, we, for example, underwent training, studied, and i understand that if i go to the front, then i will not it will be a shame to come there, and no one will play football with me somewhere there, because i am i will come and say, guys, i can do this, this, this, what you need, tell me, then i will help you do it, so every ukrainian should understand this, both children and teenagers, as the boys of zazov and the right sector are now teaching, they teach these kids all the time. 15, 16, 19 years old, they constantly go to schools

, we have been doing it since the 14th year, and you know, sometimes you watch when a neighbor goes to the front, and his son, who used to go to our schools, says to him: dad, well i will teach you, i know how to take apart a machine gun, i know how to do it, well, you can imagine, a child knows more than dad, and dad says: i was a fool, that i didn't go with you to see your eyes, i would have gone now and not... well , i wouldn't be ashamed, you know, because, as on i think we will all be mobilized, or someone will go voluntarily again, there is nothing to hide here, there are people who are needed in headquarters, to enter documents, we need engineers, my god, we need a lot of people, this does not mean that we all have to take machine gun and go to the front line and fight, that is, we are all actually very smart, unique people and all we are needed now in the armed forces, so each of us... can do something, if not at the front now, then in the rear, everyone must

work for victory. mr. andriy kopychen , you have a summary of mobilization, well, the summary , how do we have it, what else can we influence so that there are really some changes, if we are not talking about the reasons, really, i agree here that what, what should we look for, i i urge you to start acting today, let the state adopt the law, let the deputies adopt it, but today you need to... educate the population, reach out to our citizens, to our ukrainians, good people, well, we can only survive together, come, let's learn something, let's talk together, let's just sit down in the evening, well, we, many of them , you know, i talk to young people, they are afraid of the unknown, they don't understand, even not the terms, how much he is being mobilized there, but what awaits him there? what is it that there is such a terrible thing happening behind the word mobilization, but there is nothing terrible there,

it is a war, a war for our freedom, for our country, but we are normal people, we also celebrate our birthday, we also laugh, just kidding, we live in a team, in fraternity, look at the beautiful girls we have in the armed forces, why hide, from whom are you hiding, from yourself? "you don't hide from yourself, we need to start working tomorrow, involve, sit down at the round table of everyone, you know, this is such a popular slogan under the shop of deputies, let's send everyone to war, this is the decision that will help us win against russia tomorrow, well well, you know, this is populism, we need 500 thousand deputies, well, this is populism , let's take 300 deputies, let's take away the women there , this one, but tomorrow we will win, because we are deputies." ukrainians are a unique people in general, during the elections we go

in rows to the polling stations in order to have someone to hate for 5 years, well , we choose them and then we start it, so it is better to involve deputies here in the organization of such centers, these are people with certain opportunities, certain resources, well, together we will be able to overcome this crisis, it is impossible to make a decision at the beginning of a war some way there ... and to drive it there, here we need it constantly new correct cascade, new right decisions, we have to look for them, maybe we will make a mistake somewhere, maybe not... but doing nothing is even worse, so today we must, i call on everyone to unite and do everything for victory, victory is the order of the day for every ukrainian alone, i got up, i go to bed, i think that i did something useful today in order to win, then we will win, thank you, at

the end of the program, we would like to briefly comment here... but one of the latest news, well, there is such the feeling that it can flare up and become so informative top in the coming days, the bloomberg agency published a material without authorship on january 25, in which it claims that the president of the aggressor country, vladimir putin, is probing the ground for the readiness of the united states for negotiations to end the war in ukraine, and there are even interesting theses about the fact that putin does not mind ukraine... joining nato, but wants to keep all territories. mr. mykola knyazhytskyi, do we believe bloomberg? i don't trust putin. and russia in general. and those who believe him are their business. i think none not a single word of putin, who actually wants to destroy ukraine, uses all informational resources for this, obviously, military resources, including against civilians,

these people can never be trusted, that's all. magda, you can't believe it. then what is this article for? well, there are people in bloomberg sitting there and thinking, well, putin has never deceived anyone, he has never deceived anyone, in fact, the answer is very simple: in the middle of march , putin will be re-elected in russia, and he will with a high degree of probability get the highest result in the entire time, i.e. below 90%, and these elections, re-elections will be held in the occupied territories of ukraine, including. and this is a very serious challenge, for example, for the g7 countries, whether they admit it or not, well, that’s how it is from the point of view of diplomacy, absolutely, russia is constantly acting in a leninist way, one step forward, two steps back, she says, we will talk, then no, we will not speak, then we will,

well, she constantly changes the pace and vector of movement in order to ... not allow the west to define its own position, and the west has elections: united the states, the european parliament, britain, and they all have their own interests, of course, so we have to, how can we influence it, we have to demonstrate domestically through the decisions of the parliament, the decisions of the president, the government, our decisions as citizens, that we we will fight further, further and further, then it will be easier for the western partners to make decisions, and when they see moments of demotivation inside ukraine, then they have a question, why should they help them, well , they also have a problem, this is the paradox that the western politicians are more tired of war than the citizens of ukraine, although why are they,

what are they tired of, what they are watching. ugh, well, you see what is happening now, there was such a turning point, when the russians were already rubbing their hands and thinking that the americans are not giving us help, the europeans are not giving us help, in principle , we see that we most likely need european help let's get it, even orban has already changed his rhetoric, not to mention many others, they need to stop this at all costs, that's why they bomb donetsk, that's why they arrange provocations with airplanes, that's why they say that they are ready for negotiations, our... what to arm the ukrainians, if let 's talk with us, this is all done in order to weaken us, mislead our allies in order to attack us further, prevent us from receiving this assistance. mr. mykola, you mentioned orbán , and obviously the context of sweden is very important there, and nato, if we speak, as you think, this week in general, you can say

a breakthrough is happening, because, well, in essence, sweden agrees to accept them into nato and erdogan. and orban and it's kind of, you know, after a few months of us saying that the west is not as strong as we'd like, somehow putin is trying to break them, and here, well, i think this week is such a serious light at the end tunnel, and it coincides with the fact that we learn about financial and powerful support from our european partners, somehow, just this week, these news are concentrated and very often follow such parallel lines, although ... i wish that it fortunately, it actually was for us, well, this is a natural story, we can clearly see, even when we look at what is happening in europe, on the one hand, there is orban, here fitsov is winning in slovakia, but... but in poland, the democratic one is winning there coalition, it will not be easy for us with this coalition, this must also be clearly understood, because there is a peasant party in the coalition, which organizes protests, but at the

same time there is an instruction from the same tusk, who will definitely be one of the leaders together with the french and germans in european union in support of ukraine. all these countries in one way or another depend on european funds and the european market. it is very easy to shout that we will not allow, do not want to help ukraine, will not do it. that or we will not do that, when you have the risk of losing finances from the european union and access to the markets of the european union, despite all your populism, you bargain for something and agree, this is basically an obvious and understandable story. concluding our broadcast today, i hope that we will have time to give the floor to ms. ksenia klin and mr. andrii kupychyn, this year, i i hope we all finally take off our rose-colored glasses. last week there was information that ukraine is building a multi-level, so far according to some sources a three-level line of defense on all sections of the front, that is, one way or another

we understand that this year we will most likely spend on defense, of course we would like offensive operations, the liberation of ukrainian lands, but so far the trend and tendency suggests that it will be defense, defense - this means that, let's say, there will be fewer reasons to rejoice at the liberated ukrainian cities but nevertheless, we will wear out the russian army, how can we all survive this year morally, because the end of the past showed that it was quite difficult for ukrainians to readjust themselves mentally after successes at the front to the fact that there are no more successes, and it seems in the near future, the main thing is to preserve the front line. you know, recently i was talking just like that in our company of my close friends, and we were talking... about victory, and we were just talking about the fact that it is so, so, so holy and now, well, it's hard

available word, which must be used very carefully, we always say to victory, everything will be victory, but we do not equate the price of this victory and how much in... everything must be invested, that's what will be difficult, well, this is not for me is some kind of discovery, and i am ready for it and i understand that there is no other way, because we, we really, we are in a time of war, here, it is very difficult to take off those rose-colored glasses, but we are taking them off, we are preparing. to the fact that we, each of us, must become part of, or become a weapon of, this victory, on in any part of this one single

military front, and we need to strengthen the guys, definitely, the guys and girls who have been there for two years, it's obvious, it's really a different reality and... and you know what my son told me when i was there on rotation, he says: mom, he is currently engaged in a section of such work that is responsible for evacuating not only wounded, but also dead comrades, dead, fallen heroes from the battlefield. and it hurts me so much, he told me that mom, it's easier for me now with the dead than with the living, i want you to be like that

it wasn't, i wish that we were all still alive and it was somehow easy for us to communicate with each other, i wish that there would not be this gap between those who were not born for war and those... who have delicate hands, as for my son, i sometimes look at his hands and think , well, he would probably be a great surgeon, but at the age of 14 he decided for himself that because then the war came to our country, that he would be a soldier, here, for all of us, to one, whether you are a man or a woman, older or younger, although today is really at the front. i don't like it it didn't hurt, young people are needed, because they can physically withstand what the guys and girls there, 40 plus, can withstand. it's, it's, it's very,

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dmytro pyaskov made it clear that moscow is against it international investigation into the downing of il-76 in the belgorod region. the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, announced the need for such an investigation the day before. my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda live. we begin. the french television channel reported today that the ill-76 military plane was shot down by a ukrainian missile. air defense, the tv channel refers to a french military source, which source is not specified, there is still no independent anonymous confirmation of this information, according to the interlocutor of france-info, the plane was shot down by an american- made patriot missile used by ukraine. radio svoboda turned to air force spokesman yuriy ignat for clarification, refutation or confirmation of this information, but he refused to comment at the moment. the ukrainian

authorities did not officially take responsibility. range for the downing of the plane, but did not directly blame russia for it. russia officially accused ukraine. according to ukrainian intelligence , high-ranking russian officials were supposed to be on board the plane, but it was the last one moment fsb forbade them to get on board. after the incident , only five bodies were taken to the local morgue. andrii yusov, a representative of the main directorate of intelligence, reported this in a commentary to radio liberty. according to him, these details became known in ukrainian intelligence already after the il-76 accident. we have collected all available reactions to the downing of the russian military plane. you know, the ukrainians claim one thing and the russians claim another, and we just don't know enough to comment on that. yes, the coordinator of the white national security council home, john kirby commented on the il-76 aircraft crash near belgorod. according to him, the white house does not have enough information about the incident. we are trying to get more information, but it would be reckless for me to speculate on that. i just don't know

the truth of these reports. shortly after john kirby's statement , the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy published his daily address, in which he announced that he had summoned defense minister rustem umyerov, commander-in-chief of the armed forces valery zaluzhny, chief of the general staff serhiy shaptal, as well as the heads of the gur and sbu, kyril budanov and vasyl malyuk. it is necessary to establish all the clear facts, as much as possible, given that the plane fell on russian territory. under our control. facts are the key word now. heard the chief of staff and the general staff for the use of air forces. gur is engaged in finding out the fate of all prisoners. the security service of ukraine is investigating all the circumstances. i instructed the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine to inform partners about the data available in ukraine. our state will insist on an international investigation. one of the first messages.