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economic, again against warsaw, against the import of ukrainian grain, farmers and so on, but i can’t understand this, really it can’t be solved, it’s roughly clear how much ukraine can supply to poland, for example, or not to poland, by transit further, to polish ports, or further to germany, or further to holland, or further to some croatian ports. in short, it seems to me that my, my, my such an undeveloped mind tells me that i need to sit down and see how much grain there is in ukraine, how much grain, how many apples, i don't know what else they sell there, how much transport, how much gasoline, how much is all that , yes, let's go to poland, you need something, yes, we still need so many tons of apples there, although i think that everything is fine with apples in poland okay, well, or there's something else, or something else, we're here.
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it's here, it's to the ports, it's to gdansk, that's it, and they just forgot about it forever, and the poles, the poles are sitting, the farmers say, yes, it doesn't bother us, everything is fine, we're not blocking anything, and and to the ports, even the users say, it's cool for us, because there is something from our ports goes somewhere and we make money, in short, everyone is happy, why is it not bad, i can't understand where the problem is, well, actually, the problem...
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or somewhere else, only, only in brussels. dear, the second topic that we want to discuss today, i have a question about the new wave of refugees, which seems to mean that we may need to prepare, and that if there is a russian offensive, the ukrainians will run again, and where should they run, if not , even if to europe, then all the same through polish europe, through european poland, and we must prepare for this. and on against this background, we see, well, we see individuals, i wouldn't say that it is often, but individual protests appear that the poles somehow do not like ukrainians, and i can understand that too, i would, for example, he invited dariush to his house, if he had nowhere to spend the night, and would say, okay, come to me, if darius stayed for a month, two, three, five, then at some point i would say,
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listen, dariush, come on somehow, my hospitality is already running out, i can't do that, so i also understand the poles, but where did it come from in general, the idea that a new russian offensive is possible, therefore a new wave, and therefore the poles need to prepare. ugh. well, to be honest, i just don't know a little bit about this topic at the moment, because if i were to talk about each subsequent attack, then we will hear about it.
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i see one or a friend, let's say the driver, or it can be seen from the tables that he is, let's say, from lviv or from kyiv, sometimes, but of course, i want to open the window and post something to say, let's say, think about how you're going, or something, something like that , yes, well, but let's say, the poles here have their own specifics, like water, that is, well, what kind a bigger problem, it really has nothing to do with it, but okay, one more question, mr. dariush. such a surname koval exists, and it is such a person with such a surname who will take care of the reconstruction of ukraine, as far as i understand, such a person has been appointed, and this means that it is at the state level, or is this a person who can
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be addressed by someone who wants to time of recovery to do some business in ukraine, i.e. how authorized is this person, what is his mandate, how wide is his mandate... how much can he help not only state or semi-state structures there, but just for polish business, because i know that polish business is waiting for the end of the war, because after the end it hopes for recovery, it is where there is recovery, there is money, and where there is money, there is business, uh, yes, this is pevel koval, who is now the head of the sejm committee on foreign affairs, he was once...
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what is the polish press writing, what are the poles saying about the visit, the first visit of mr. tusk, the prime minister to ukraine, so that, what, what is the main thesis or the main theses, please, well, it depends on who, if, as in presupposes, yes, because you have to keep in mind that
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, thank you very much, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, please , dariusz materniak, polish expert on international issues, head of the poland-ukraine center, now we will have an advertisement, after the advertisement the middle east, and i have a few words to say about today's day, january 27th is the day we remember the many millions of jews who died due to the presence of fascism in europe, but first an advertisement. everyday
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, we are now in the middle east, just the right moment when, if i could say a few words about today, yes, and today is the day of the holocaust, today is the day when the soviet troops entered the constable and saw what fascist, german fascists did in these concentration camps, well, now the word genocide is very popular and in ukraine, we mentioned this even today, and there are decisions of various instances, judicial and non-judicial, both ukrainian and international, and i was going to work today and... about this, exactly, what is the difference between the genocide of the jewish people and the genocide of the ukrainian people, and i will say that in my opinion, i may be wrong, the final solution to the ukrainian issue, that is, the destruction of all ukrainians, is not before putin, i think that he is faced with the task of destroying a certain number,
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a certain percentage of the most active ukrainians and forcing the rest to say, that we are not... na unlike the jews, during the second world war, when the final solution to the jewish question was simply the physical destruction of 100% of all european jews, and better in general all jews in the world, and american, and i do not know which, and latin american and so on, but today is really such a sad day, well , we will talk now maybe not about a jew. the state, we can talk about it tomorrow, and today we will look at the middle east in general, with whom we will look, obviously, you yourself know, with igor semivolos, the director center for middle eastern studies, good health, mr. igor, thank you for finding us, good health, mr. mykola, well, what to do with the houthis, such, what, such an impression that it is such a power, equal to china, exactly
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to the united states of america, america asks china to ask china to ask... to iran, so that iran calls the houthis so that they don't shoot where they are shooting, then it turns out that they are shooting at russian oil, in short, saudi arabia, in short, there are so many people in these, well, very few houthis, why so what, and whether this idea can solve this problem, i think we are with you. we talked about the hosites in the program, and i actually said then that this is not such an easy problem, that the decision made by the americans in the coalition to bomb their bases there cannot quickly bring
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any obvious result, well, it happened , that is, it is not necessary to have any foresight for this. for this, it is necessary to at least understand how all previous conflicts in this region developed and how they developed, how certain parties acted, so that and i will say more, the americans before, they behaved much more restrained, and it was precisely that part of the department that understood middle eastern issues. i'm afraid she's either disqualified now or just quit because it looks like there's no one there to advise or make the right decision when it comes to the middle east, that is at least for the last six months, well a little less, but each solution, it only creates additional new problems, and
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it feels like this is not the end of this story. absolutely true when we talk about hosides, first of all, we understand that they will have the opportunity to fire at ships sailing through the red sea for a long time to come. that is, here the question is not even how many rockets they will launch and how many will hit the target, the question is the possibility itself, which by and large negates the very safe passage of the red sea. and well, as we have already seen, it will significantly kill world trade. and why do the americans turn to the chinese, the chinese turn to iran? well, i think, for obvious reasons, china needs exactly this passage, it is quite possible that the transportation, if
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oil can be transported through the armoud strait and the red sea in this case... will not play such a role for china, but the transportation of goods is mainly through the suez canal, so china also needs safe transportation, and this is another reason to talk with china and find a common language, which, of course, immediately raises the suspicion that the chinese will ask the americans for something for this, but... the situation here is just such that it is mutually beneficial for both countries. the chinese have good relations with iran, it is not a secret, to a great extent. regime depends on china, the investment opportunities that china offers to iran,
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ties, the promotion of iranian interests to international organizations, that is, in other words, why not, why not try, in the end, as they say, the crown is off the head will not fall, so it looks on the one hand as a weakness, on the other hand it looks like a... quite strong for the calculation, mr. igor, look, i sketched out such names of countries here and and and completely agreeing with what you say, well, because you are definitely a better expert than me, but i would ask then, yes, there is definitely a coalition here, to which you also led, to whom this situation is not beneficial to russia, and the united states, and china, and... and saudi arabia, and india, and trade between east africa and europe, then look at the map, there is such
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a number, the coalition there will be more than renstein, because it is not beneficial to anyone except the hussites, and all the players here are on the same side, i say, both china and india, which are enemies, well , at least mentally, and the usa and russia, which are also mental enemies, and so on, and so on and the like, there... a bunch of them all from on the one hand, and on the other hand, there are five houthis with one missile, and the whole world sits and does not know what to do with it, well, this is absurd, well, yes, if it were so, then the houthis would never have started this history, that is, they would quietly sit with a missile in their deserts, in their mountains, and that would be the end of it, in fact, like us, we perfectly understand that the houthis are only part of the problem that... on the one hand creates iran, on the other hand creates israel, on the fourth hand creates hamas, and so on, according to the list you can continue endlessly, that is, this
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is a complicated story with the near east, which has been going on for centuries, but unlike previous years, when the houthis sat, well, at best with a gun, now... they really sit with missiles, and that is, they can cause much more damage. if we look at the roots of this problem, we are still there, we will again come to the slave-israeli conflict, we will come to the palestinian question, that is, we will not get away from it anywhere, and if you cut, so to speak, fighting the houthis is like a problem. then it should be understood that this is only a symptom of the disease that has existed in the middle east for 100 years. the role of turkey:
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we see that the leader of iran has visited erdoğan, we see that he goes there, that there are contacts between iran and russia, and ankara with russia, in short, turkey is really such an important country, some... such and such a picture, indeed, sorry for the taftology, that turkey is the future, the future big player, we see today that minister lavrov, the russian minister of foreign affairs has already said definitively that we are not for armenia, but for azerbaijan, but azerbaijan, azerbaijan is behind azerbaijan, the same turkey is standing again, turkey is playing a role in the ukrainian-russian war, obviously, and in short, it is some kind of... ... not even a regional such a systemic power, your opinion, no, it has not become such a country today, yes, and it has been for a long time, they
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present themselves precisely as a regional power and are very angry when they try to ignore them , and without a doubt turkey has huge potential, has its own interests , these... interests do not always coincide with our interests, but in key positions, i think that ukrainian turkish interests, especially when it comes to the black sea, they generally coincide, not us, no , turkey does not need russia's strengthening in the black sea, and the only thing that can be said here is that turkey always talks about balance, and well, let's say, rests on its laurels, believing that their military. forces are the most powerful and they can hypothetically repel the russians, while ukraine, well, does it is not hypothetical without having a large
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naval force. and this also frustrates the turks somewhat, because they do not know how to react to it. and turkey has a few, besides, besides all these things that you listed, which i absolutely agree with, that they are a regional power there, but they're not a very definite, not a very definite regional power, so they're still... fixated on specific issues that bother them, and around which they have been struggling for quite a long time. the first, of course, is the kurdish question, and the kurdish question is a question of to which they are looking for agreement, compromise, agreement with iran, of course, they are also interested, you mentioned azerbaijan,
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azerbaijan. relations, they are interested in the security of their borders with iran, they are not interested in the beginning of some large-scale conflict in the middle east of the regional strikes on the same iran, they are afraid of it like fire, and ... therefore they are definitely not one hundred percent involved in any conflict, on the one hand, they have serious , let's say, phantom pains about the former ottoman empire, and they consider some parts of the arab countries as such, which by right should belong to turkey, i primarily have, of course, part of syria and part of iraq .
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but at the same time, at the same time, they are afraid and afraid to openly demonstrate their expansionist , let's say this - nasturist sentiments, well, simply because the relations between arabs and turks, frankly speaking, are far from cloudless . and at the same time in turkish itself quite strong resentment, they , they have quite strong anti-american sentiments, anti-western sentiments, well, maybe to some extent they have reason to say so, especially when their sailors, as they say, lasted for a long time with the european union and with many other
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agreements, in the end they said , that... well, we will never be such a big muslim country, it will never become a member of the european union, well, that is why they are very angry with france, because they heard this phrase from france itself, er, that is, in other words, it is very a complicated country with a very complicated history, and in this story she is torn by internal contradictions, she cannot fully decide between the west and the east, who is she? center for middle eastern studies, i would summarize with such, such, such a thesis, today's turkey is the struggle of erdogan against atatürk, that is, the struggle against the basements of modern turkey, which was laid by kemal atatürk, and now his successor,
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descendant. the descendant, the modern president, says we don't need this, that's all atatürk did, modern turkey, we want a wider, wider turkey, and you want me i've already left, or rather, maybe you don't want to, but i'll go, thank you for your attention, all the best, i'll see you tomorrow. the real formula-1 in the capital, what ukraine will be like in 10 years and israel's struggle against hamas and hezbollah, about the balance of power in the region. good evening, annayevalnik is with you and for your attention the results of today's day.

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