it is difficult to say about the opposition that they all work for the people of ukraine, well, i see two problems here, well, first of all, to say that having 400 deputies after drawing up these mandates, you cannot collect 226 votes, well, somehow it sounds very strange , well, because if there were 300 of them left, well, it would be a problem to collect 226 votes, you have a reserve of votes, well, at least 150 deputies, by and large. account, even in order for the sessions of the parliament to be legitimate, still, well, it seems that 50 deputies can safely go, and nothing will happen, just nothing, you can convene the parliament, you can do whatever you want, so there is really no problem here, if you introduce something that you talk about with society, under which you achieve some kind of unity of society, and you don't try to stretch some ottaki.

your strange whims or don't you suddenly try to push some commercial interests of certain people, let's say this, you really can't collect 226 votes for this, it's true, yes, if you don't have people with pockets, pocket people, you you will not collect them, and there is probably a reason for this , because it really will not be possible to collect the final projects, everyone understands this, and the second reason, you know, there would not be any problem with these 17. people who left, if they left, because they want to join the defense forces of ukraine, to get more involved in the defense of the state, well, in general, this should be welcomed , you can easily let such deputies go, simply because they want to do a noble deed, and any party should be proud of them, and it is safe to draw up such mandates, but apparently these people do not come out such, they go not because they want to join the army, but for some other reason. and perhaps this very reason is

shameful, if the ruling party does not want to talk about it, it does not want to say, but why is it suddenly in the middle of nowhere, when there is a war, when everything is needed, and such a responsible party and right now it in power, and 17 deputies make up the mandate, probably the reason is that it is somehow very embarrassing to make it public, but it would probably be worth it, not embarrassing mykola tyshchenko, the godfather of the head of the office of the president... of the country, because he said that these 17 traitors received money from the pro-russian forces to draw up a mandate, the goal of which was the collapse of the parliament. let's listen to what tyshchenko said. i received information that pro-russian forces offered money to the deputies in exchange for a mandate in the parliament. there are 17 deputies on the list, as list-makers, who entered the list. so are the majoritarians

, why is this being done, it is being done with the aim of collapsing the parliament, currently the russians are not having significant success at the front, so they are trying to destroy the country from the inside, oh my god, how scary, there are list-makers, sorry, but for the list-makers other list writers go, if they draw up mandates, then other people simply take their place and there is no problem at all, well... olya, i am turning to olga musafirova, of course, commenting on both arahamiya and tyshchenko at the same time is a useless and difficult task matter, but still, this is what they say and how they justify that they are destroying the pro-russian forces in the parliament, and that the opzh is still sitting almost in its entirety in this supreme council of ukraine, and we understand that they there will be more undertones. because if they leave

these 17 there, including the majoritarians, obviously we will have to look for votes somewhere, the servant of the people does not want european solidarity and homeland in this conditional coalition, but will there really be such a collapse in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, also because, in principle, most decisions are not made by the verkhovna rada of ukraine and not within the walls of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. i will answer as follows: if mr. tyshchenko has such serious and proven information, then i hope that after he already published it on the air, he turned to the law enforcement agencies, having certain evidence, having certain documents, because it 's simple, well, it's a sensation, if they act...

people's deputies of ukraine received money from russia in order for them to draw up mandates, well, this requires a very, very serious, thorough study. so simple to say, to say, i think it would be wrong, and i really hope that he will bring this story to an end, although, as you understand, i say it with a little irony and sarcasm. now seriously, i'm not a big constitutionalist, but i remember the following, eh, that the verkhovna rada of ukraine is authoritative provided that it is elected or there are... at least 23 of its constitutional members are available, that is, it is 300 and a little more, we now have 401 people, 17, i do not argue, this is a lot, we have some

information that about a hundred deputies will still leave from the council, why is there such a panic, 300 people and how many times, by the way, have we spoken? that such a number of deputies of the verkhovna rada of ukraine is possible , taking into account, well, what we have already listed , yes, occupied donetsk, luhansk region, crimea, maybe a smaller number of deputies, but that they should be of higher quality, and on the issue of quality, here i will agree with my colleague olga len, well here... there are big problems here, and well, it is sad to see, very often sad to see what decisions are made, that is, in my opinion, you know, from reducing the number of low-quality deputies

, the quality will not change, it will still be quite low, so it will neither worsen nor improve the situation, the solution to the problem lies a little in a different plane, or not a little, even the one we have already said somehow it is necessary to increase the quality characteristics, but here the question is also that but there will be no more elections, and accordingly, the issue here is not the elections, but the point is that this verkhovna rada remains anyway. no , it's legit, but, but i mean, if they all get off the plane, like in that bubblegum ad, and say goodbye to everyone, sooner or later they 'll reach 300, and with the election we cannot do anything, because according to the current

legislation, wartime does not allow elections to be held, so how can we be in this situation, that is, people, ukrainians become hostages of those people's deputies of ukraine, who... can simply leave the parliament and say: listen, i can't, it's all over, well, listen, if we all understand that when mykola tyshchenko comes out and says something, it's not him speaking, that's why that he does not have such ideas of his own, it is more likely that we have such brilliant media people who work around the office of the president and they invented this legend, but the posts, well, there is a problem if... the deputies took money from some russian there's a circle, well, they're traitors, right? as far as i know, generally state-owned treason is just the reason for depriving these people of their mandate, right? well, well, yes, well, in our office of the president, they believe that

treason is not a reason for removing the mandate, and they invent such legends, so i don’t understand something about them in this regard, treason even implies that they should ... go to jail and the person who invented this legend should announce that he does not consider treason as a reason to deprive the deputies of their mandate, this is a simple question i have for them and this is what i am clear about, well that is that traitors can sit in the verkhovna rada and make some decisions, are you serious, but opzh deputies can sit and make decisions despite the fact that they are deputies of a party that is prohibited in ukraine in general, so how many conversations about that, apparently not have these deputies. i don't want to sit in the verkhovna rada, here it turns out that we have traitors in the ranks of the ruling party, no one is going to deprive them of their mandates, well, how wonderful in general, well, here we have come to see, colleagues, on a rather interesting topic, state traitors from parliamentary mandates,

or potential state traitors, or real traitors, who sit in the walls of the parliament, vote, pass laws by which the whole country lives, well, also opzzh. faction of the opposition platform for the life of viktor medvedchuk's party, which is officially banned in ukraine, it sits in the verkhovna rada, passes laws, they renamed themselves. next to that, in local self-government, i looked at special statistics, more than 400 deputies of local levels, more than 400 from this party, olya, what, what should we do with all this, the army of deputies, because, if there is no elections, why, why should ukraine tolerate them? i don’t know, maybe some other norms should be adopted ad hoc during the transition period,

if we can’t hold elections, then some kind of reduction in the number of, well, the legitimacy of the council, for example, up to 2/3, half of the parliament, and that’s how to describe this history that works in such an emergency situation, when the whole situation turned out to be like this, i understand that it is possible, you know, this legislation will not last forever. but any such legislation, for example if we adopt legislation relating to collaborators, or in relation to the de-occupied territories separately , well, it will not be forever either, it will have some limited years of operation, but probably there is only such a way out, olga, and what do you think, what to do with these, with this fifth colony, which did not go anywhere from the verkhovna rada of ukraine, was. in the existing situation of the legal decision, i don't know what

it can be, then it is necessary to prove that these people are traitors, and then to actually act, again, relying on the norms of our legislation, but of course this is a very dangerous story, if under wartime not only in verkhov. councils, and also in local councils, at all levels there are people who, well, by definition, cannot have access to any state secrets, not even to state secrets, in principle to issues related to the defense of the country, to energy, to everything, because it's all, well, uh, elements of defense. of our country, and if we take into account that these people, to put it mildly, are not

very friendly towards the pro-european and pro-atlantic course of ukraine, then their stay there does much more harm than, well, than some not enough passed some laws, because this is just like a direct action against statehood, but something tells me that these deputies, they will never form a mandate of their own free will and will never leave, because they know why they are sitting there, and it's a pity, of course, because you can fight on the eastern, southern and northern fronts, and have this fifth column within the state. which will really make decisions, including at the local level, because 400

deputies are a very large army, they are different factions or groups spread, but the fact remains, these are people who were elected from a party that is banned, officially banned in ukraine, as , among other things, from the sharia party, where deputies were also elected to local councils in the east and south, well, it seems to me that this is just a decision it's overdue, they are probably due to the fact that... the party is banned, its deputies have been removed, there are some legal consequences , or they should be, that is, we cannot pass a law that we ban an enemy party, but here individual people who are in it were, for some reason they do not bear any punishment for this, moreover, they get the opportunity to be beyond the term of office, as in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and it is not clear when they will leave there and whether they will leave, as she correctly said, in fact nihilism, so yes. yes, one more topic, colleagues, this is the il-76 disaster in the belgorod region, i wanted

to talk to you about how information russia played on this field, because we saw the information and psychological special operation of the russian federation and witnessed this special operation, it was targeted first of all western countries, which, including in radba. the un received information from the russian side, the plane was flying from belgorod somewhere and during takeoff somewhere, this plane was shot down. the russians said that there were ukrainian prisoners of war there, and today putin repeated about it, that ukrainian intelligence knew about it, olga len spoke literally yesterday, she spoke with andrii myusov, a representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, i know what you understood in detail this situation, why ukraine conceded information in this

the situation and whether it is correct that we have spoken. russian federation and then spoke in the language of some facts and norms of war that exist in the world. well, you can't say that we directly gave in in this situation, because i don't see in the world community that they all said: "oh, ukraine shot down the elevator." no, it wasn't like that, after all, it wasn't like that. first of all, this story is important for us, that is, how western politicians reacted as a result. well, it is obvious that everything is not ambiguous, as it always goes, but it is not it is the case that we directly conceded, conceded, let's not exaggerate either, i also believe that despite all the nuances, there is no unambiguous blow to our inner self, because if you look at

it from a distance, well, a couple of days have already passed, yes, an attempt somehow rifts'. nevertheless, in addition to the fact that this special operation was aimed at a western audience, it was also aimed at an internal-ukrainian one, because it is obvious that , inflaming about 65 ukrainian prisoners, some kind of internal disturbance was expected, this disturbance also did not happen, after all all, well, there is some understanding that the danger for our prisoners is primarily borne by... the russian occupiers, because they create this danger, well, of course, there are nuances that can be talked about, the first important nuance, which, well, i think, should have been sounded earlier , that is, the statement from the ukrainian side that ukraine did not know about how there, what they were going

to transport, who, where, and that there were ukrainian prisoners on this plane, should have been made much earlier, it should not have she had to wait there for 7 hours and check 20 times, and check it faster to leave, well somewhere at least an hour after such statements were made by russia, i think that an hour of time for the state machine is enough to form this answer, absolutely, and the fact that it was not formed, nevertheless they waited with her, i think it 's wrong, it really gave more russians the opportunity to say anything. nonsense about this, again, only after the fact we see that their conversations about the fact that there were some prisoners on the plane, well, actually they are not confirmed by anything, except for the words themselves russians, that is, judging by everything, this is not true, about which in principle we also said that we do not have our official

position, we do not have any information that there were prisoners on this plane, well, in fact, this is how it is... what remains, no one has any information, we can talk a little more about what, well, about this very, you know, special operation regarding prisoners of war and how they tried to stir it up, well, let's talk, maybe a little later now, thank you olga, you are an experienced news reporter and journalist, i am even afraid make a mistake, have you been working for 40 years or more? i'm hardly even old anymore, but about 40 , so about 40, well, i've been working in journalism for three 32 years, or 30, 33, i guess, that's how you perceive the way russia is now trying to roll out informationally all these ipso already at

the international level, not just for their audience, because what happened with the plane, it happened several... but with the donetsk bazaar , which they robbed, 27 or 28 people died there, and they also talked about the fact that it was us, obviously, obviously in for them, this car works very well and they are on this, on this lie everyone just grew up there in a different way, right? sergey, i think that there is no great sense, we now have to analyze the pros and cons and pitfalls in detail, i... russian propaganda is working, you know, let them have a headache, i don't see any sense in this, we know that... "russian propaganda is built on lies, and whether it is bigger, there to a greater or lesser extent, we, well, it seems to me that there is no

need to analyze or study it, with your permission, i would like to a few theses to say about what orya started to say is an important point about communication with ukrainian society, and i can do it now. very important because we can't say for sure that this terrible special operation that happened is the last one, i had a little discussion with colleagues about what i wrote that the communications had failed, why do i think so, because in we have such a... tion, how to call it correctly, a strategist, yes, strategic communications, which by definition, these people

should convey to society a concentrated opinion of what happened, there is no need for them to go out generals and president, we understand that it is impossible to comment on what happened in russia, but this, this phrase, we do not... have the technical ability to say what happened to the russian plane on the territory of the russian federation, it can and should have been said right away after this disaster became known, absolutely, it is not a secret, but it is information, and it is not obvious to most citizens, and if... we are rooting for the ukrainian point of view to be present in the western media, then i you are simply convincing

i ask you to believe the word, that it would definitely be quoted, and the associated press, and reuters , what the first hours of information silence, we find out the situation from kyiv, they presented this situation from moscow, not... because they are playing on on the side of the aggressor, and because we did not give them the opportunity, anything, even something to quote, and that would already, well, it would be something, thank you, literally, so that we take this into account for the future, thank you, olga, ulya, literally a minute, i, i agree with ash that it really is a problem because there is no single it. which would be involved in such a crisis communicator who would know how to work with crises, we now have crises every other day, so it is just a constantly active process, reducing everything to the point that

the president's office has to say something is a clear failure, because the president's office cannot always say everything for so many reasons, and i also agree with , well, actually what i said, this statement that russia didn't agree to anything, that we don't know what's going on with the... the plane, yes, i i agree, it should have been literally an hour or so, but then again, it is maybe when you have a single center that analyzes information quickly and has someone to turn to. i will also say a very important thing, the biggest, i believe , failure in this story was that the ukrainian truth printed a message, which actually spread throughout the international community as such, that there is some sort of confirmation that the ukrainian... side confirmed somewhere that something was wrong, referring to some sources in the armed forces, yes, and this is also a failure, and not only of ukrainian truth, not only of those who

reprinted, and it is also a failure of state communication, because the general staff must have a structure where journalists, who are going to print something like this, who can at least minimally verify this information, must go to where they must go, and say: well, you ? you can't declare, but tell me if we can print it, at least in these words, and it's right, in the conditions of war there is simply no other choice, and it shouldn't be, i'm sorry, but it shouldn't be, well, it's a political structure, it there must be something real in the general staff, where people are distant from political interests, who are not engaged in political censorship, but who are engaged in precisely, well , military, some, well... call it censorship, call it something else, but it should be some place where we can turn with such questions, thank you, colleagues, we have to go to a small commercial and in literally

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at... friends, we are working live , this is a verdict program, and today we have olga musafirova and olga lenin as guests, i would like to remind you that we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about this, does ukraine need it? of national unity, yes, no, on the screen you see numbers phones, if you watch us on tv, vote, if you watch us on youtube, vote with the appropriate buttons, yes, no, olya, we are done, in fact, with how russian propaganda threw information and with lists of prisoners of war, and that too , apparently, a rather important question, which should be the answer to the strategic committee there, as

olga thinks, or... their structures of competent ukrainian structures, it is still clear that the exchange was being prepared, it is not clear whether these people were going to be changed or not these people were going to be changed , we don't have answers to these questions, well , in my opinion, these are really two questions, in principle, which would, well, which are so painful for us, well, first, it's true, which one has already been answered by the official ukrainian authorities about what was not russia did not coordinate the way the prisoners were transported, and that is russia's fault in any case if those prisoners were at risk, but there is a second one that i think is just going to be open to wild speculation right now and is already open, so pay attention, these the lists that the russians threw in, which they discuss and, as it were, like on at the official level as well, they threw them in unofficially, and i very carefully followed how they

were discussed, they say, the lists that appeared. on the internet, as if they were not thrown by a person who is practically in the public service, because margarita simonyan, she is in the public service, because the place where she works is a state company, actually, but for us, something else is important here , because 65 surnames in these lists are for us, well, in principle, living people, you see, and we don't care what happens to them. and here we have a fork, you know, a very serious one, with which we need to work, with which we need to be very, well, you know, no, i don't like them very much, for example, here are all the cries that we have in social networks and around, show us the corpses, you seriously want to see corpses, well , just think, you seriously want to see 65 corpses on the list, what really, well, just think, when you say something, secondly, i

think it would be right... well, still to discredit these lists, it would be very good if we succeeded, and this is actually, well, it should journalism is sure to get involved, because we need to conduct an investigation into the real people who appear in these lists, and not only state bodies should do it, journalists should also do it, in order to find out whether these people are really extradited, if there was information that one person was... as if he had already been changed in these lists, well, this is already discrediting these lists, and then we protect all the other names in this list in this way, you understand, but this is the work of journalists, to find relatives, ask if so it happened, but on the other hand, again, there could be two different things going on with these lists, or it's part of some real lists and they just threw out the first thing they came across.