we need to talk about what joe biden will do for ukraine and what he has committed to in relation to europe, and here is an extremely important role, and it is american observers, journalists, experts, everyone is talking, the activation of great britain and the position of the conservatives, and the party, and the labor party, the labor party, is absolutely united, they will also have elections in the fall, regarding security issues, the position is the same. support ukraine, strengthen nato and strengthen the european component, the speech of the british minister of defense, which interpreted britain's security guarantees for ukraine, simply phenomenal, there was a phrase that i just sat down: great britain said, our union with ukraine is for 100 years, we will not leave ukraine, russia, forget about the fact that great britain left. ukraine, this is such a phrase, is extremely

expensive. great britain has always been, is and how many f-16 stands behind this phrase. i understand what you are talking about, myroslav, but on the other hand, we remember that the polish republic, the second commonwealth, had extremely powerful treaties with france and with the united kingdom, when we talk about 1939, yes, but aid was given, and... but there was a so-called strange war, well, and accordingly now we understand that our european allies are showing their readiness, but here the question is so to speak in small things, well, if we are talking about aviation , for example, it is not a small thing, of course, i am being ironic, but the decision is still on the table, no, the decision, but today colonel ignat said that our partners are ready today transfer f-16 to ukraine, stand nothing has changed since our conversation.

said that in 2024 germany will train 10,000 ukrainian soldiers and hand over 80 leopards, the problem is where to repair them and where. spare parts , it may seem absurd, but in fact , after the end of the cold war, europe disarmed, and the military-industrial complex also dripped a little for export, they gave something there, in return for their own forces and would still help in this way, during such a terrible war, which there is russian, which is the russian-ukrainian war, they are not ready, they are slowly getting pumped up, but but it is being pumped up, that is, there is something i am leading the situation to... the war in 2024 will go to

a completely different level, this is a completely different level, which will be the construction, the system of alliances, and political decisions, and military decisions, will be built, of economic decisions, in the end, it will be such that ukraine will really be provided with all the means for ukraine to win, defeat russia for this is the attitude, secondly, for ukraine to strengthen its own forces to such an extent. so that it could stand for 100 years, how could someone in russia think of attacking ukraine and what? some other other countries, that is , an absolutely different configuration emerges: whether trump will be president or not trump will be president, at that moment it starts to matter absolutely less, because the system is working, the states are working and their armed forces and military-industrial complex are working. can now

survive a series of elections, so almost half of the countries of the european union will go through national elections, this year, and accordingly we see how the right-wing populists are warming up, but at one time, for example, slovakia pleasantly surprised us, so when chose the fizo party, well, we can see certain miracles of this plan in quotes, of course unpleasant, i don't know there, in the netherlands, in belgium, and what, and and, and who makes the decision, the elected politicians, i don't know... politicians and so on, on the other hand, we do not forget that during the war and the confrontation as it is, the german minister of defense said, we must be ready for this, that russia will go to war against germany by 2020, the 30th year, this is simply copernican , copernican. tion in

the way of thinking of the germans in general for their safety. i'm not talking about sweden and about the norwegians, who said that we should be ready for 2-3 years, then russia will go to war against us. finns in general. it is not discussed, yes, that is, we have a radically different situation, it is a radically different situation, and here the roles are already defined, just like in germany, well, all the alternatives, that is, we forget that there will be elections, well, next year they have them, it seems parliamentary elections are to be held next year, who is leading in the opinion polls, the christian democrats, who have moved away from... and now they are generally pushing chancellor scholz, what is he for does not support ukraine enough, then alternative fir dodge is losing support there for the first time in six months or so, ukrainians took to the streets of their cities, and everyone was shocked

, led by president steinmeier, and they told us so much, and we stand against this, to the threat of alternatives, moreover... now they have it called the bureau or the office of the protection of the constitution, it provides documentation to ban the activities of alternatives to the fir dochna, because it is a threat to the constitutional power, a threat to the constitutional power and they can ban activities of this party. did you see anton six months ago in this process? no, and here we return to poland. poland and the elections, parliamentary elections on october 15 inspired europe, the democrats. know how to win, societies know how to mobilize for defense, not such ukrainians mobilized for defense and simply you caused the whole world to wonder that ukraine, this david and that goliath, is fighting and from nowhere it has strength and

sacrifice, heroism and everything, courage, everything that only you can say positively, but there is also a non-military way, that is, which poland shows democrats can win and societies can... demand pro-european and democratic ones, but look, going back to security agreements, security guarantees, i understand that there are bilateral bilateral level, so there is the level of what is called security guarantees from the g7 side, well, here we go for example, the british case, how seriously will they be ready here, well, for 100 years it sounds very good, but how deeply will great britain be ready to enter into what is called the protection of ukrainian national interests, taking into account. colossal, although a resource not as powerful as that of the united states, and this applies, perhaps, to poland , well, you mentioned the 39th year, yes, and the security guarantees of great britain, regarding poland, a strange war and so on, it would be necessary to consider whether they were ready, no were ready, and what role

did the molotov trope play in the collapse of these guarantees, that these guarantees did not work, do not forget that the molotov pact, that is , the hitler-stalin pact was directly directed against the security guarantees of great britain and france, which were provided german hitler would not go to war from poland against poland, if, having, in great danger, that a second front would be opened, if there was not, there was no aggression by the workers of the peasant red army on september 17 , 1939, this is understandable. knew what was being prepared and what kind of war was waiting for us,

the reich in moscow was immediately given these, and they said it would not be a war, a wagon for the defense of poland, but it would be a world war already, and it was also clear, on august 3, 1939 year, now returning, and what those guarantees will be from great britain, what do they mean, so the minister of defense, speaking among other things about guarantees to ukraine, and about 100 years of the british-ukrainian alliance, he said that they will strengthen their nuclear forces at that moment, and there he said about the construction of about 12 or so underwater nuclear reactors, well, these are translations. to direct language, which counts in the security sphere, not only american, ugh, but also the british component is growing like yeast, it is clear, and the second thing is that i will make such a remark, the former ambassador of ukraine to great britain, mr. prystayko, very

good, after all, ambassador, qualified this one diplomat, when asked if you can imagine that british soldiers can come to ukraine and defend ukraine, he said yes, i can imagine such a situation. well, we will end on this optimistic note, myroslav, thank you very much for this. certainly an interesting and productive conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that myroslav czach, a public figure, historian, journalist, member of the polish sejm, in his second or third term, was currently on the air. the time of our program has run out, stay with the tv channel espresso, my colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of the day. take care of yourself and your loved ones, see you on the air.

greetings friends, the saturday polyclub is on the air on the espresso tv channel, lesya vakulyuk, vitaly portnikov, we are glad to see you on the espresso tv channel, and we are starting the saturday plitclub, we will summarize the main events of this week, the main events that happened in ukraine and also in the world, and we will start our broadcast with ivan kyrychevskyi, a military expert of the defense express portal. appears in our etheri mr ivan welcome you welcome mr ivan good evening so let's start with possibly the loudest event of this week, this is the wreckage of the il 76, we don't even know what to call it, disaster, destruction, fall, fall, well, in any case, we will say the il-76 case in the belgorod region, after all, what we can understand at the moment, because in any case, i would say that this is the biggest russian... ska information operation against ukraine , i would say in two years,

seriously speaking, and we have somehow to understand how we should at least cover it, what would you advise us, how we should react to such russian insinuations? well, unfortunately, on the one hand, there are objective data that would allow us to fully establish the entire chain of this disaster, in the literal sense of the word, this is a disaster, if we take into account what happened and therefore, let's say, some information trail in ours. an event took place in space, unfortunately, there is still not enough objective data, we can only deny some russian statements, well, regarding, for example, there has already been a debunking regarding there a russian, let's call it, propaganda cartoon, where they tried to show that some people were loaded into the il-76 before the flight, but even polish researchers dispelled that it was a montage, to put it mildly, but why am i still here tends to use the word catastrophe, because , unfortunately, we... the funnel is a catastrophe, and you can

only draw conclusions for the future, the conclusion for the future is something like this, we urgently need to somehow stop at least each other, you know how to say it , i would not like not to use this non-academic a word that indicates the density of our quarrels in the information space, well, we wanted to, well, let's say, we need to stop these non-academic quarrels, instead, if there are any problems, start it, you know, talk with arguments, because until now we have just, well a common method, for example, let's say, pitting expert y against expert x and thus charging the audience, but unfortunately, and let's say, everyone thought that this was such a working technology that there, well, allows people to collapse there, but unfortunately, it turned out like this, that because of this there is no stable there trust in some speakers, unfortunately, in our information space, then they go to look for some alternative versions, they start to trust the ministry of defense of russia more. which federation and there , let's say, to people, even in the west, who can prepare russian propaganda, or rather

simply submit, here is the institute for the study of war, for some reason it is presented as simply, well, independent western analytics, it is simply a retelling of a russian telegram, and it turns out that we by and large when we try to comment on this story from 76 we just uh we are trying to fight the fact that in our country, due to, let's say, some shortcomings of social and political life, people are beginning to trust russian sources more, and, well , or on... because for some reason, the version of the russian ministry of defense regarding captured information spaces has come, but well, for example, no one spreads, for example, nonsense about the cancellation of the defense of the russian federation, that they are knocking down points there, or russian propagandists about the fact that armenia allegedly gave us rockets to fire at belgorod, and even the institute for the study of war, this is what wrote, or for example, sometimes even the ministry of defense of the russian federation writes some complementary things for us, that , for example, there are no birds flying to crimea, but... well, literally, such flocks, or that they regularly shoot down

our grym-2 missile, which we are constantly complaining about there when it will finally be, that is , we need to stop somehow, well, for the future at least, well, criticizing each other so generally, because this is the story of 76, it created a dangerous precedent, when for the first time in two years , russian sources were really believed more than ours and unfortunately this situation back then, we will call it impossible to wash it off like that, well, maybe that's why... they believed, because it 's about people and prisoners of war, about prisoners of war, yes, it's about the fact that there are many families who are waiting, and of course, that even if it.. . fake information , but, uh, well, everyone, everyone is waiting, not that from captivity, but waiting to return, to, to see their native, and so this could be the reaction, but even if russia, let's say, invented this once here is such a version to sow us with this confusion, so that we start quarreling again

something new, something new, some kind of bone for the grizzly, eh, we have no guarantee that the next time... the russians won't start covering their military planes with human shields, it turns out, well, they are already doing it, unfortunately, that is, on the front , when the russian occupiers have repeatedly recorded cases when the russian occupiers use our captives purely as human shields, in particular to cover themselves from drone strikes, so, unfortunately, everything is not excluded, well, that is why i use the word catastrophe here in all senses, purely because we now we cannot calculate in advance. which the enemy may commit a crime, therefore we cannot prepare for anything morally now, well, in the sense of what the enemy may say or do, because even if we even recall such a scandal, well, more precisely similar cases with olenivka, because let's let's remember, at that time russia also tried to hang everything on us, they say that hymars was fired upon , and it was simply the period when , on a purely similar level, it was easier for the russians

not to believe everything, well, because what kind of highmars, they only put highmars on us, there literally a couple of times a day there was a set to shoot , well, they shot at the warehouses of shells, respectively, what a deer, unfortunately, two years have passed, so i will repeat myself, here we can eliminate such disasters, including in the informational plan, unless let's at least stop harshly criticizing each other and start at least speaking with arguments, because, for example, i, for example, am fully aware that there may be some, let's say, methodological claims against me, that there may be methodological claims against other commentators, that is better... if there are already any problems, it is better to speak with such, you know, arguments, and stop, well, forgive me already. and tell me, please, what do you think, if we talk about the fact that russia denies the international investigation of this whole story, it speaks in favor of the fact that at least they are not negotiating a lot in this situation? well, they, you know

, it's not that at least they don't negotiate everything in this situation, well, because... we, unfortunately, in this situation, we cannot rule out that these lists of prisoners of war that they stated that then they could, well, what people could die due to independent treatment in captivity, but russia will not comply with the geneva convention, we cannot rule out that russia could even use these prisoners of war at the front, we even, let's say, for sure, judging by this, we don't even know which this very il-76 could belong to the russian structure itself , and even in which, well, even... at that moment of the flight, this trifle occurred, because there are many, let's say, reasons to believe that in fact at that moment this il-76 took off from belgorod, and, for example, he could already unload. after all, there is publicly available data that just at the moment when this russian plane fell, that an air alert was announced in the belgorod region, that is , the russian air defense should also, in theory, have fallen il-76

- this is a very large plane, there, well, let's say , with a size of 50 by 50 m, you can take it. for example, for a group target, and it cannot be ruled out that the russian anti-aircraft guns could simply think that it was, for example, aimed at them, well, as if a group of our missiles was flying, russia in in principle, she does not agree on everything here, the problem is that instead of talking about something objectively, even though when the russians spoke objectively, she was able to create a coherent propaganda version that proves to everyone the world , so to speak, to deny, the families of the prisoners who are in captivity now... they are now in a waiting mode, and what about these people, that is, who can shed light on what happened, so that at least they can leave their hearts, although what their relatives are in captivity, this is also not too much it's easier, but at least they know that they are alive, well, as far as is known and as far as has already been declared by official structures, well

, the same coordination committee for the treatment of military prisoners and other official structures, they were communicating. even the phrase seems to be from budano there, that on the video , the relatives could not, well, let's say this , the propaganda videos that the russians tried to show, that the relatives could not recognize anything that could point to their prisoners, well, accordingly, you know, accordingly , the work of military structures is carried out, it's just that we're still, well, how can we emphasize it very well, we 're in a very sensitive situation, which has an emotional color, accordingly, so as not to widen the funnel of the disaster, well , maybe our military structures... then we chose the right course, when, well, at least, well, there conduct some kind of closed communication with relatives there, and tries not to bear it in the public space to a greater extent than it is on... it is necessary, tell me, in principle, if we talk, in principle, about the actions of the russians at the front, how do you see the situation now , when we talk about the counterattacks of the russians

manages to resist, as long as it can be a process, well, let's say , there is a margin of safety for a few weeks, because after all , there is still a certain possibility, let's say, not to conduct all the necessary firework in half buckets, judging by what to use. technical assistance that was provided by the western allies, well, if researchers of closed sources say that 40 dashes of 50% of russian losses are lost for hitting a half-bucket, then it is not difficult to guess that the other 50% of russian losses, including in defense technology, by life force, it's work artillerymen, there are army aviation, tactical aviation, actually even engineering troops that can set barricade mines in time, that is, there is a margin of strength for several weeks, but then everything arises the question of how rhythmically it will be... well, help will come from the western allies, for example , german shells, and what in general will be accepted for, let's say, 2024 with help from the united states,

because there is one unpleasant point that has not been discussed so far, but we have to talk about it, not only that, in principle, we now live on 50%, as a country at the expense of external financing, it turns out that way, we are also waging war for 50% exclusively at the expense of external resources, because we can recall that in... one year , the usa alone provided 30 billion dollars of such expendable military aid there, there are shells, tanks, the necessary machines, and this turns out to be half of our military budget, or rather, it was precisely this equivalent of our military budget, that is, what they were able to collect at the expense of taxpayers' money, that is why such a situation, in the short term, we have in principle, the positions there are good, but with regard to the strategic ones, we have to think about the fact that lukashenko went to putin. what should this visit mean, something is being agreed upon, something is being asked for, they are planning something again, some kind of offensive from the territory of belarus,

well, as for the offensive on the territory of belarus , it will be possible to understand when there, if some large convoys start to go, well, moreover railway and there, you know, several dozen in a short period, there for several days or several weeks, well, for example, on the eve of the invasion, they drove at least 200 such large railway echelons, while this is not happening, to attribute some overly aggressive intentions to the belarusian regime of lukashenko, but for now it is not worth it, just so you know, not to please the ego of the dictator , well, dictators just really like it when they are pleased with ego, it can be just quite another political stage, well, we came and talked about how to continue building a union state, if there will be some, let's say, clear criteria of a military threat from the territory of belarus, well, we will be able to see it even more clearly. than at such moments that lukashenko once again flew to the territory of russia, as often as he flies there, judging by everything, well, to perceive every such politician, let's say, as some kind of

threatening sign, well, this is too much, if we talk about what, in principle, ukraine needs to fence in connection with this visit of lukashenka to russian ukrainian, or on the belarusian-ukrainian border also need appropriate fortifications? well, they are building, we even have such an interesting story here that, based on open sources, we only have it on the belarusian border 500,000 mines were installed, that is, it is no less than, for example, the russians placed mines on this so-called surovikina line, well, to try to counter the counteroffensive of the armed forces, here in the case of fortifications, i just think that up to the northern border, we don’t have to worry there why, there may be questions on the eastern border, as far as... we have time, but well, the fact that, let's say, we have a set of necessary fortifications that can delay any mechanized offensive from the territory of belarus, that's already fortunately

the fact, why we did not have these facilities at the time of february 2022, especially since we are talking about, let's say, infrastructure that can be built within a few months, what actually happened, this question is open and will have to be closed, respectively. putin said that 617 thousand... military personnel are now in ukraine, can you believe him, or is this, naming the number, as a reaction to the fact that nato decided to conduct the largest military exercises in the last 40 years? i think that it is simply, let's say, a question of accounting, because when is the main thing the intelligence department says about 450 thousand directly along the entire front line, plus there is an occupation contingent of 30,000, the so-called russian guard, well, i think that just this figure is at home in the kremlin... well, for example, the police or some occupation structures there , who do not take part in hostilities, in principle they are not even capable, but they do it, as they say there, they do the task in

the area of ​​conduct. military operation, so it is unlikely, let's say, that it can even be connected with the fact that nato is conducting some kind of training, just let’s say, in the kremlin, unfortunately, they have learned too well to throw into our information space, any theses that we then start discussing, that’s exactly with this figure of about 600, how many thousands of occupiers are there in ukraine, it it happened. thank you, thank you, mr. ivan, ivan kyrychevskyi, a military expert of the defense express portal, was with us on... we will be in touch for a couple of minutes now, but please stay with us, there are more interesting conversations ahead. hello, this is svoboda ranok, an informational project of the radio freedom. top guests every day. this is the shipping district of kherson. turn on live. we

are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut. we tell the main thing on weekdays at 9:00 a.m. we return to the air and now we will talk about the united states of america, because oleksandr motsyk, a diplomat and ambassador of ukraine to the united states in 2010-2015, is in touch with us . mr. oleksandr, we congratulate you. congratulations, mr. oleksandr. good evening, glory to ukraine, well, let's start with this topic. it seems to me that american aid to ukraine is the most important right now. all the more so on against the background of this letter, which the speaker of the house of representatives of the american congress, mike johnson, sent to his colleagues, in which he says that the agreements on the compromise on the migration legislation and on the aid to ukraine, israel are stillborn, does this mean that we will ever receive help or not? well, you know, the situation is really complicated, and it got complicated at the last

moment when, uh... ex-president trump intervened, who apparently put the fight against illegal migration at the center of his campaign program, if you answer now yes or no, i think that there will still be help, but it will be given at a very difficult price, and for this it will be necessary to work a lot, now ukraine will have to work both at the bilateral level directly with the americans and with the congress, and it is necessary it will be necessary to work at the state level, that is, to go and create some powerful team and work in all states, well, for example, as the lithuanians worked when they went to nato in the late 90s, they traveled around a powerful everyone is a team. 50 states,

roughly, we also need to work in this way, work through the diaspora, through the ukrainian diaspora, through the polish diaspora, through the lithuanian diaspora, that's 25 million people in total, well, of course, work with those institutions that are currently involved with the republican team, this is, first of all, heritage foundation and other institutions. to explain that aid to ukraine is clearly in the interests of the united states of america, and it seems to me that not only democrats, but also most republicans understand the situation in this way, that if there is no aid provided to ukraine, or not provided in time, and which is in president biden's request for 61.4 billion dollars, then the situation for...

ukraine will be difficult, it will be very difficult at the front, and from this, of course, ukraine too, first of all everything will not win, lose, but europe will lose and the united states of america will lose, and then the world will really look at this whole situation, understand that the united states is losing its leadership, so it will be very difficult, not easy, but if... the question is asked categorically , whether we will have help or not, i am still inclined to the fact that we will have this help, about what terms we are talking about, when we can get it, the terms are more complicated, as mr. vitaly just rightly said, that is the position of the speaker of the house of representatives, mike john johnson.