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greetings, dear viewers, on espresso tv channel, studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this week, there are quite a lot of them, and all of them will have an extremely serious continuation in the near future. our guests today. roman bezsmertny and myroslav chakh. now roman bezsmertny, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, will work on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, mr. ambassador, i congratulate you. glory to heroes. good afternoon, mr. antin. the fall of il-76 in the belgorod region. so. the story is extremely difficult. history, i

would say so, is even multi-echeloned. but in any case, as now the russians will try to use them for their own purposes. it is clear and obvious. that this story, it has not been played to the end, and its original content is that several factors are combined here, which will not give the russians the opportunity to leave this thing out of informational attention. the first of them is very significant, it is an international component, and those who flew this plane were very interesting. route, egypt, syria, russia. and those information sources, fragmentary, which were, they give grounds for talking about quite serious things in this regard, especially since it is necessary to remember

what was happening in egypt and syria at that time. the second thing is, in fact, the group of negotiators that did not get on the plane, this is... the fact is also very important, and it indicates that russia has huge problems in the communications system, and in the system of providing these communications, i already not saying that in the security system. the third thing is the exchange of prisoners of war itself, this is another very important thing is an important factor, and moscow, led by the führer, is looking for any way to... collapse this situation, and blame ukraine for it. and the fourth thing, which is very important, is that today there is no more important fact, more important fragment in russia's war against ukraine than

information and psychological attacks. everyone , all the more so, such a fact, russia will turn to accusing ukraine of the most... the biggest, most oppressive sins, i ask everyone who is interested in this fragment to find the material, it is a video and text material about a briefing in the white house, literally an hour after this information appeared, and to listen to a journalist's question to john kirby, who was giving a briefing at the time, how he hinted that ukraine, you see, violates some- so there... the humanitarian basis of waging war, she took such steps that you can tell from this, that is, it is obviously clear that for russia, for führer moskovsky, any fact in this war will be used as a certain kind of

informational attack, and in this regard, it is necessary to turn to ukrainian journalists, those who takes care of this field, those who write, because i am for the sake of professional interest... i just promoted, and what did i write, who is in the woods, who is the firewood, i just want to tell all these people, understand that the ukrainian army, she complies with the norms of international humanitarian law, i have said this more than once, every soldier is instructed in this regard, and an officer, any officer who makes a decision in such a case cannot give the command to... shoot, if he is not convinced , that the attack is conducted for a military or military purpose. it's all very much is carefully studied at the relevant briefings in the armed forces of ukraine. therefore, it is inadmissible to imagine initially that

a command was given to shoot at a non-military object, and this is in principle, just in case, i will say. if such a thing happens, god forbid, then it is something that is not a system, it is a kind of violation that happened as a result of certain negligence. actions or neglect, which, according to ukrainian legislation, will entail a criminal penalty. i say once again, i don't want to name, but the number of those who are now in imprisonment of ukrainian military personnel for violations of international humanitarian law, it sometimes even impresses those who monitor these issues from the point of view of the un, so there must be a principled position here: if such a fact has caught your eye in the information circle, immediately reject it at the start, because this is what

can be called in popular literature as an excess, and not a systemic command that is given in the armed forces of ukraine. we immediately understand that the kremlin is starting to signal, or maybe call some of its closed ones channels, they say, so in ukraine they can use american weapons and intelligence. that this is also a rather difficult, drastic question for americans. the americans, as far as i understand, set some kind of unspoken parameter, yes, the reconquest of our territories, the return of our lands, but at the moment, the questions regarding the use of long-range systems, for example, on the territory of russia, are somehow still unregulated, the americans have not yet matured. i did not accidentally say about the plot at the briefing in the white house, but there is confirmation, including yours the recent message of chancellor scholz of germany that, yes, we are considering

the supply of long-range taurus missiles to ukraine, but we have a caveat that the ukrainian side can, you see, hit moscow with them, so i want to emphasize this small nuance, there is no such direct language anywhere was not , but nevertheless, this message itself, it is taken in quotation marks as direct speech, it was attributed to the events with il-76 and attributed to the contrary in order to, as it were, attract attention and again the question of supplying ukraine and medium-long-range missiles, if it were to slow down, and the second quote went for a walk at all, funny about what you see, the chancellor does not know. that the ministry of defense of great britain was offering to exchange for

what the real situation was, he said that we were aware of such a position and left it without any comment. instead, the mass media reported that he did not know anything about this fragment, in the first part, he seemed to say that they had reservations about the possibility of strikes against ukraine. of the armed forces moscow. here is a vivid example of how the kremlin uses a number of facts in connection with this anchor that pulls the information situation. i understand that we are currently being given security guarantees, including from the big seven. we understand that we have increasingly strong ties with great britain, and this is best demonstrated by the security agreement with the united kingdom. how should we properly use the chances given to us in principle and how to make sure that

such signed memoranda and agreements do not repeat the fate of the so-called budapest memorandum, because there are a lot of correct and pleasant formulas, but there is still the question of their concrete implementation, this question is very important, i would even call it the number one question today from the point of view of international aid and strengthening of the very things you mentioned about security. guarantees, but at once i cannot help but ask several very important questions for myself, for all of us, this is an international agreement, and an international agreement that has a very wide impact on the internal relationship situation on the external situation, but as you can see, it is somehow not submitted to the ratification to the parliament, meanwhile , the constitution clearly defines that such acts are valid only after... when consent to them is given by the parliament, the verkhovna rada of ukraine. this, hold now if the information.

second, if so, then i will remind everyone that the budapest memorandum was not ratified either, but at that time the previous constitution was still in force and it allowed similar things, including such things as the provision of external guarantees by the ministry of finance, the conclusion of obligations... similar sectoral and sectoral agreements and so on, and the agreement on security and defense issues could have been called that, well, this is also a stretch, but this document... it cannot be ratified from the point of view of the norms of the position of the current constitution, this is the first thing that must be remembered, and that is why this give me the breeze of the budapest memorandum, it is already home, and the second thing is the implementation mechanisms, i am still convinced today that the budapest

memorandum is a very serious document, but what is missing, what is not there... should and what cannot be in such a document, as in the document signed by reshisunak and president zelenskyi, this is the mechanism for its implementation, what i mean is, well, the first, actually, is ratification, because then it becomes a law, which means that the organizational structure is being adjusted under it in ukraine and, accordingly, great britain, because let me remind you of an analogue, an analogue of a similar... security guarantee is an act between the government of the united states of america and taiwan, it is called the taiwan relations act, the taiwan relations act, which, not only was it voted by the congress and the senate, it voted was also in the parliament of taiwan. thus, it is

like a document for two parties, and i would still recommend it to professionals. ukrainians who take care of this topic, take this document and look at it, how it is designed. next, if you read the signed agreement, it has a limited time and term. in fact, this is a document on two-year guarantees, and if you look at international norms, then if you take away the ratification, if... if you understand that such an act does not entail an organizational system of security, then it can be interpreted simply as an agreement between prime minister reshi sunak and president volodymyr zelenskyi. there is one more thing that is very important, the problem here is competence. if you look at this

document, it contains components related to the powers of the ministry of defense. of the cabinet of ministers and the president, there are things that today are attributed to the competence of the president, that is, in the sphere of politics, defense, there are specific figures that relate to money and objects, these are the affairs of the ministry of defense, well, in the last resort the cabinet of ministers and so on, that is, all this suggests that the desire to obtain guarantees, obviously due to the huge... volume of these things that were discussed, the key is lost: and this is not a law for both sides, it is very it is important, secondly, the parliaments have not ratified it, from here it must be read absolutely clearly, its financial security will be under a big question mark, but from the point of view of political rhetoric, this is a colossal step

forward, because it is shown that great britain, but here.. . is further placed comma, as a country that does not belong to the european union, keep that in mind, secondly, it is like a country of the anglo-saxon bloc, certainly because it reads like that, it reads like that, more like a country that belongs to yes the so-called copenhagen format, and this is what is placed further in gramstein and so on, it is ready to provide according to... help, but at the same time there is a drawback here, the essence of which may lie in the fact that, only in the period of the premieres of comrade sunaka, because if it is not a law, just an agreement between two persons, then it it can be read more precisely like this, and i do not rule out that in some time, after the conservatives leave power, it will be

said, let the conservatives sign, let them implement such an agreement, because i say again, it is not for... law, it must be understood from the point of view of the norms of international, international law, you will tell me that there are even things in international law that talk about verbal agreements, yes, verbal agreements, but they are not reached in matters of security, security guarantees, especially since these two words security guarantees, they say that this document had to comply with the international convention on agreements and... treaties, which provides for the mandatory implementation of national constitutional norms from the point of view of actual ratification, i am not saying this for the first time, i hope. are talking about the fact that in the future, and perhaps in the case of great britain, at least the ukrainian political leadership

will return to this issue and send this document to the parliament for ratification, because i do not know for what reasons, i cannot understand, due to what are the reasons for the lack of ratification of such a document, because from the point of view of the information drive for... political sounding - this is a great step, this is a great step, another matter is why they did not reach the actual legal basis and actions of such a document, because you understand when we now they say to you that you see the wrong word in the budapest memorandum, or it is not translated that way, then in relation to this document, they will tell us that it has not been ratified, on the basis of which it will be issued... certain resources from the budget of one state, another state and so on. i completely agree with you, this is an extremely important point, this

is a fundamentally important point, and let's hope that the prime minister of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, rishi sunak, will also take the necessary steps when it comes to, in particular, working with the british parliament, but in any case similar signals, they demonstrate that certain parameters... of what is called a new security agreement for ukraine or a new security format for ukraine, that it is drawn what should we expect from those states, countries, blocs that we consider our allies, but currently they are our friends, partners and buddies. in itself, the agreement that has already been signed and the agreements that will be signed further, what are they talking about? that the thesis that we and the nato countries cannot work with each cream, because we have to work only with nato as a whole, it does not correspond to the truth. this means that it is very

important that today we all realize that the issue of regional, continental, global security is a multi-component issue. in this system, there may already be, it is obvious, bilateral agreements. further regional agreements , further continental agreements, global agreements , but they can form a single whole, in fact, this is what you and i talked about more than a year ago, which follows from that new year's and christmas message of the then foreign minister of great britain letter in a speech at the london city hall, when she spoke about the fact that... she has a labile time security system, soft? and in fact, if you look at it, these bilateral agreements should be aimed at what? and

, to ensure the security of ukraine, to ensure the security of the countries of central europe, to ensure the security of the countries of the european continent, further, to ensure the security of the countries of the north atlantic bloc, to ensure the countries of euro-russia. block and on global security, these components, these components, they should not create a hedgehog in relation to each other, and the most it is appropriate to select all this, to systematize it, certainly in the format of rammstein, and here it is very important to, well, at least somehow in the format of rammstein for today, move on to the conversation on this topic. because even the first thing we talked about with you, it looks like: these are some kind of bilateral sectoral agreements, because

it will be read like that from the point of view, actually, now, and what does it have to do with central european security, absolutely nothing, well, , which you and i are talking about, like a morgan's veil, like an intermarium of two seas there, three seas and so on, now how will it turn out? relations in the nato system , and if we add to this that europe today is constantly talking about its own security, moreover, the current exercises conducted by nato, which they testify to, that in connection with the fact that the minimum invited participant there is the united states of america, and the united states of america is today 90% of the security that... current exercises show that there is a selected model and legend, which is 90% actually the countries and

states of europe, and... literally several destroyers of the united states of america, which of the almost 90 thousand personnel participating in this exercise, are present at them, that is, it is already a shot at the model that can be made after the statements of candidate trump that we can leave nato , although this is not the answer and it is obvious that it will not be like that, but it is clear that preparations are being made for this, now there is another one. it is necessary to understand that in matters of security, the bilateral relations that ukraine will conclude with nato states, they must be implemented in the form of specific steps, that is, conditionally speaking , training is going on, both conditionally speaking, and not conditionally speaking, realistically speaking, nato will interact with countries that want to join nato, well, in particular, such as ukraine, further on.

how will they interact with those that have already formed as a separate defense union, well, such as , for example, there is a bite, the indo-pacific bloc, which exists separately today, although it is called together in some countries, and from here, it is obvious that not do without formalizing the role it plays the contact group, this really pisses me off, because i went through... the contact group in minsk, when i hear that ramstein is called the contact group for providing assistance to the defense of ukraine, well, as the ukrainian classics say, contact does not mean to decide, you see, and all this suggests that today those who outline and those who sit on the buttons of european security, and regional, european, and continental, in general and...

global, they do not quite clearly understand and how all this will interact with each other, how it will will cooperate, because holding additional meetings, even online meetings, does not solve the issue of ensuring the urgent supply of troops with ammunition, armored vehicles, maintenance of all this, and so on. therefore, i can say that for now, if we take the fact that... the path that ukraine began to follow, signing bilateral guarantees on security, and the transition to regional security is not even visible, moreover, i do not see that understood this problem, but when you listen to people like orban or people like fico, what do they think, that we will stay here under nato, and you try there,

but... but they think so, i will remind them of the trip from suvorov to the alps, it is not clear what he did there, but have there are monuments to suvorov in russia even now, no one has taken them anywhere, so where a russian soldier's boot can go is known only to the moscow führer, and this must be understood very well. thank you very much, mr. ambassador, for this extremely important conversation on the air of the tv channel, i want to remind our tv viewers, that now roman bezsmertny, an iconic politician, worked for them. and a diplomat. there are discounts on fkalkalor of 20% in the psaryznyk, pamp and oskad pharmacies. new york of the 19th century is luxury, scandals and intrigues. gilded age from hbo. watch all seasons of the exquisite drama in ukrainian with a subscription. turn on

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