it seems that mr. yabchanka asked a question to kamelchuk about what the people's deputy from servants of the people considers the law on mobilization to be unfair, and mr. kamenchuk continues his answer, i will repeat very briefly, that is , the term demobilization, it should be clearly prescribed for those who are in the rear , who are at zero, because they are tired in different ways, the military salary, if, or rather the remuneration, if it is correct to say, should be increased in my opinion, at least twice. and even more, and this, this, this is even some kind of minimum that i believe i spent recently a small survey of middle managers, so to speak , who said how much they would be motivated, even if they had two or three children, to go into the military, and they said it was between $5 and $10,000, you can ask the question , can we afford it, a rhetorical question. that if we can afford

expensive high-end equipment, ammunition and ammunition, i am sure that military personnel should receive a higher salary, as much as possible. and one more thing that is not taken into account is the social aspect in this draft law, not prescribed. i have been saying about him for a long time: a serviceman who has gone into service must have insurance, not only some amount that is paid out in the event of his death, but normal life insurance that covers some of his accidents. losses, health and so on, and is paid instantly. second, he must know that he will return to work, or that he will be given priority employment upon his return. third, his children should know that they can study at any university, whenever they want. it is necessary, free of charge, it is clear that in any faculty, and the fourth is the provision of housing for these things, which can just motivate fairly, absolutely and equally for everyone. not only for those who are newly

arriving now, will be mobilized, but for all military personnel who started serving since 2014, all these things should be prescribed in this draft law, because the part of the ministry of defense that deals with the social part has to in this regard, and i would like to remind you that tsk sp in its obligations, rights and opportunities should be dealt with by the social part, not only the aspects are prescribed, how they should check the documents. but also dealing with the social part of military personnel and those who have already been mobilized, these are at least these things of injustice, about the legal aspects of the violation of human rights, i will not talk, because they are not so, let's say, blatant, but there are those facts that remained from the previous version of the draft law, which was discussed by dmytro lobinets, the verkhovna rada commissioner for human rights, which may be used and used by russian propaganda against us, when we see that employees of the central committee use physical force

in relation to potential mobilized people, this does not motivate, it is motivated by the social part, the responsibility of the state is understood , social security and the understanding that you will get into your profession after passing the appropriate training, that is a plus in that draft law, except that there is appropriate training, but we have not actually seen the mechanism of this training, i understand that these are secondary laws, these are opportunities that should already be indicated... specific there is an educational institution, an educational unit or an educational center in relation to those people, but if all this starts to be discussed directly, openly and in detail in the society of the defense of change and by all the teams who signed this bill, there will be more understanding and more motivation and more understanding to what is it for them, for those who have not yet made a decision, whether he is ready to go to the army or not, to go, to register in the same military office there or to come in person, although the military...

the office is electronic, it is also very subtle a question that seems to me cannot be used as a way of communication, because we have problems with provision, sometimes light and internet near zero or near the front and so on, so this is not a way of communication, it would be better to have a motivational recruitment campaign that will report the reality of the war situation, the reality of social security for everyone and... the specific goals we are moving towards, and the goals you and i already understand very well, this is the de-occupation of ukrainian territories, this is the protection of ukrainian homes and ukrainians as much as possible families, there are remarks by yapchanka, then yeleiko, but just answers, what exactly is justice, i didn't hear, i heard at the end of e about justice according to aristotle, the goal, telos, okay. then we take the goal, our goal is to defeat

russia, well, if we start from this theory of justice, then you should have made this bill a law... those last year, or even earlier, all the things you said, it has none significance from the point of view of the theory of justice, the goal of defeating russia, because every month that we do not have a law, we are moving away from this goal, thank you, i think i won't surprise you, but now there is nothing to prevent mobilizing those who fall under mobiliza. absolutely nothing stands in the way of proving messages, absolutely nothing stands in the way of increasing social security and provision of education from the very beginning, as it was written even in the preparation of the tro. nothing prevents the creation of recruiting companies, campaigns, including

advertising in mass media, which have recently started, nothing prevents the creation of social housing for military personnel or the announcement that what... what can be training or provision of insurance, a law is not needed for this, but it can be prescribed as a duty and a prescribed responsibility, or rather a promise from the state is enshrined in the law, and moreover, i would like to remind you that the development of this draft law is being handled by the ministry of defense on the proposals of the general staff, and we see another delicate moment, which, well, maybe also as a moment for discussion in the studio with or without me. it doesn't matter, first we heard the numbers that were mentioned somewhere in the mass media, then the president spoke about them 500-600 thousand, then we talked about what we had already heard, that we probably don't need that much, based on a conversation with high-ranking military personnel, you can deny or confirm to me, i

won't deny that this is so, but it's about about the fact that by the end of the year we need to prepare and train up to... about 100,000 military personnel as replacements, and according to the approximate chronology of the adoption of the draft law, even when, if we do not reject it, it will be adopted and implemented, including one month should be taken into account in the bill entry into force of this draft law after its adoption, it is most likely that training for military personnel will begin sometime in may or june, and we will receive the first trained specialists at the end of summer, somewhere approximately. it's not quite the right moment for me either, let's just say , well, okay, i won't use that word because now there's going to be questions about aristotle again regarding justice, but for me, this moment where it's not clear to the military members who are serving when

after all, this replacement will come to them, v in connection with those 30-6 months that we heard and a little unclear, because they can change at the rate of the president... just a question, maybe, maybe mr. kamelchuk now has the opportunity to communicate more with the speaker of the parliament, that's why two weeks not a single day does the speaker of the parliament convene a meeting, but i do not have an answer to this question, here is people's deputy simbalyuk,

people's deputy senyutka, here we ask the speaker a question: dear, two weeks ago you convened the parliament for three days, and one day just because he was coming... prime minister of uk one more day hour and a half you don't want to show that to people because i think when people saw that they would have a question to mr. stefanchuk, my friend , what do you do, what do you do in your position as speaker, as chairman of the verkhovna rada, we have been sitting for two weeks, it is not known where, and we want you to consider the law on mobilization, mr. yeleyko, you have the word, and then we go back to the house, and i want to. in principle , to turn to people's deputies, to mr oleg synyutka, to tsimbalyuk, the forces regarding the draft law on mobilization, and mr. yuri, you said that it states that everyone will serve, it is not stated that way, it is stated

that men from 18 to 60 years of age must necessarily become on military registration, if i have a question. next are the people who run the state, these are civil servants , this is local self-government, people's elected officials, absolutely everyone, people who sell, submit electronic declarations, 800,000, they have a duty to defend ukraine, or don't they have a duty, eh i will give some specifics, for example, the state customs service, more than 80% of the employees are men, the state customs service is highly automated, and women can work there... well, 80% of them can replace women, so there is no need for men, why do men

occupy reservation places there, let's take divisions, which fight against economic crimes, these are the sbi, bep, security service units, their number is 100,000, how many systemic businesses do we have in ukraine, systemic large businesses, right? which they are designed to control, prevent crimes in in the economic sphere, 30,000, well, these are men who swore an oath to ukraine, if so, why are there so many of them, i have a question again, our house is on fire, our house, yes, our native home, 10 a man lives in that house, two of them put out the fire, someone in... made a decision to turn off the heating in that house, someone, what will we

eat, what will we cook there, they have no duty now, if they were to defend this house, i.e. he is putting out this fire, is it all right, two will put it out, maybe a third will join in somewhere, and we will then return to our positions, it is not everyone's duty, everyone's duty, we say it like this, we heard that we serve for three years, so we all serve, well... absolutely everyone must do military service, because , unfortunately, the war will not end for us not in a year , not in two, and it can last for decades, we do not know how long this service needs to be completed, this is the first question, and the second question, in fairness, you said, there are certain things about the limitations of people who will not become for military registration, and i, for example, did not like that point the blocking of card accounts... accounts, all that the bank has, this is only this thesis, probably already entailed the outflow of funds from

the banking system. we are working on it in such a way that we can transfer everything without cash, so that it is possible to verify the payment of taxes and reduce cash payments, we have been working on this for a long time, 10 or 15 years, and with such small decisions, we are destroying trust in the bank. system, so we have an economic problem anyway, well, if it is crazy there, and we are doing some of these first certain things, in relation to you you say, regarding provision, i agree with you, regarding material provision, social guarantees, what questions do i have, well , where will the money come from, well, where will we finance it, you will finance it, where you will find it, maybe i will try the first part, but then colleagues will supplement, yes in fact. you ask very clear questions, but in continuation of what my colleague oleh sinyutka said,

we were ready, by the way, according to the first version, before that a working group was created, to which representatives of all factions of the verkhovna rada, the military, representatives of all forces went of defense, they worked out a version, then they shoved it under the cloth, and it did not reach the session hall, the second version and the one that is now, is definitely better than the one... in terms of fairness, i agree with you, but this version already has , that the employees of the national police, the judicial security service, the bep, famous or infamous, the state security service, all civil servants are obliged to enlist in the military, no, this means that they will not have the right to postpone, the only thing that does not satisfy us is. .. will make corrections not within 60 days, this is too much for them, within 30

days, everyone must be registered, it is very important that the tsc manages them. further on the blocking of these accounts, in the first version it was at the request of the head of the tsk, there was a driver's license, the right to property, now due to a court decision, but the general staff did not offer another option, now there will be. discussions, the only thing that worries me is, once again, they said one thing, then the cabinet of ministers presented something completely different, we are losing precious time. in fact, i agree with you, the military, that clarification of the mobilization law was needed yesterday, and immediately, because we are losing precious time, and those people who are on the front line today should be rotated, some demobilized for the sake of justice, in the second version there is something that concerns persons with disabilities, and there is, in

my opinion, the correct clarification that the one who received the second and third disability groups after february 24, 2022 will be subject to repeated vlk, except for the cases where the disability group was received by military personnel or those who lost limbs, i.e. here it will be necessary to conduct the vlk in a new way. the law is perfect, but it is not yet the law that is possible to approve if the working group were to continue , i'm sorry, we can in 10 days, what the colleague says. prepare it and vote on it in one day or one night, sorry, we are not closing the meeting, we just need political will, maybe we can give you a small rational proposal that you may not have said in the studio, yes, lady, let me be brief, ah this draft law has such a clause that the volunteers who volunteer for the service are given

two months for preparation, this is such a small, well , such a dubious piece of candy. and we want to fill the army, let's say the following , that the service is 36 months, but you come now as a volunteer, you have at least a discount, six months, 2.5 years you serve, if you come now, because two months to solve your issues, and the one who does not report, he will have it until, well, in general, as they say , he is not lucky, yes, it can last a year, and for someone three years and so on, this norm is subject to clarification, because colleagues have already said, he cannot who today... serves in the tsk and the one who has been at zero for 24 months, demobilized due to 36 months, we proposed that those who spent at least 12 of these months in the combat zone be demobilized for 24 months. we will discuss and take into account the position

of the military. mr. kamelchuk, what are your forecasts, will this new version, which the cabinet of ministers... has now proposed, namely the ministry of defense , be voted on in the parliament in the near future, because it is also of interest to people, well, that is, if we are already discussing so much, well, vote for the law, tell us how we will continue to live, what it will look like, but this is all stretching, here this miscommunication, when the leader of your faction says that there may not be enough votes, because many deputies want to leave the parliament, to submit their mandates, it is not known how it will turn out, how do you predict it? look , well, now the deputies will not leave anywhere from any faction, except for health reasons, we have already discussed this, not because they don't want to, that's right, i'm sorry, i didn't hear yours, i'm saying that they won't leave , because you won't let them go, not because they want to leave, they want to go, but no one will let them go,

not only from our faction, there are those who wish , let’s say so, who if there had been no war even before... february 24, 2022 they thought about it because they did not coincide, probably some of their certain ideas for various reasons, in some for honest reasons , someone for reasons that are not very honest, let's not discuss anyone now, the votes for the votes for the vote for this bill will be, and i would like to add a few more things, before i give my prediction there, when and how it can be, and regarding injustice, there are points that are currently being discussed and they concern... people from disability of the first and second groups, there is a question regarding the guardians of those who have a wife or husband of the first and second groups, the norm has changed there, it is prescribed, it is again due to some new vlk, in my opinion, this is an additional corruption risk for such moments there remains, there is a story, it is not completely spelled out correctly in my opinion

regarding graduate students, there is a fact that the number of graduate students in ukraine over the last year... has increased dramatically, we need to find a mechanism to check whether they are real, so to speak, graduate students, are they really engaged scientific educational work or does not engage in it, but everyone under one roof, it will not be very correct, and regarding what my colleague said that they will fall under, because they go under mobilization, we, by the way, in our version, which was discussed on factions of servants of the people talked about the fact that a part of people from the prosecutor's office should definitely go to serve, b. the sbi, the police and the customs, now we're seeing a lighter version actually for them, proposed by the cabinet, so there may be some other version of this part, and... there's another an important moment, which to the end, let's put it this way, no, no, is not clear, this is the moment actually with training, which we just now

discussed anyway, that is, for volunteers, they should be prepared, or they will also undergo service , this postponement of two months, it is not fully clarified, if summing up the chances of the adoption of this bill, i am sure that there will be a full-fledged discussion, that is, we are unlikely to get there in one week. this agreement, i will still insist that it does not prevent me from mobilizing now, but mobilization should also be due to fair motivation and a humane attitude towards potential servicemen, to potential mobilized ones, and if you are pushed over the knee, any serviceman will say to you: correct me if it is not so, if someone was brought by force, snatched from somewhere and also mails in someone there... buses or , god forbid, they threatened, as we recently had on the internet, to shoot in the knee, then there is no particular desire, there must first be respect, there must be a lot of

, let's say, conviction, the process of conviction, to be, i would he said so, not aggressively, probably very firm, so to speak, yes, and this can only be done by those military personnel who have completed their service. the best, because they show it with their experience and their example, and all this must be within the framework of the law, other methods regarding the seizure of property or seizure of funds can only be through the court, although this part, according to the opinion of dmytro lubinets, the representative of the verkhovna rada of human rights, contains a violation of constitutional norms, someone will now say that it can be adopted during martial law, i will not agree with this, our people will not agree with this. european colleagues who will say that this is still a violation of some fundamental human rights. so i come back to the thought, through

the right motivation, motivation, including spiritual awakening and spiritual military duty to my country to protect, both the country and every family, and literally the people you know, wherever they live in ukraine, this can motivate them the most. eh, boy or girl, to go serve in the armed forces of ukraine. thank you, yuriy kamelchuk, public, one might say, such impromptu parliamentary debates, this is important, velikiy lviv speaks live on the air of the project, in the studio of the largest discussion platform of our country, this is actually lacking, because after all , the parliamentary sessions are not so accessible now, and people want to hear answers to questions. ihor koziy, we give you, well, to sum up the topic: the discussion about zaluzhno, the discussion about mobile. perhaps these are not completely parallel topics, but they are still related. you know, i'll probably start with a lot a simple phrase that was said by a very

famous, well-known person, at least in the city of lviv, that's for sure. the main problem of ukraine is moral degradation, everything else is consequences. lubomyr huzar. and the second point, i would like to... add, you put three dots in this situation, i will now put everything, the second point, i would like to add, this month marks 30 years of our cooperation with nato, and by and large , here we did not even mention the word nato, however, so far, close, if we take... consider, that's what is happening, then i will say that this conflict is a much bigger conflict than, for example, zelensky and, for example, more precisely, let's

say, the supreme commander and the commander-in-chief, this conflict between politicians and the military is partly, and this must be understood, 30 years we didn't do anything for the armed forces, seriously sweat... we can see this today in pension funds, and how do we protect a contagious country, you forgive me, you know, you can't radically mix everything that nothing was done, but where from neptunes came from, and where did they come from? sigh, where did these guys come from who went as volunteers, let's cross out now that we don't have an army, it's not necessary , because it's not true, absolutely not true. that is, we did not have 600 tanks, there were 280, however, it is completely incomprehensible that we have a tank, there is enough of it that we do not ask for...

please, note, abroad, the hard worker does not write here that we have to refuse from zaha, because it has been discontinued since 2019, and when we asked for budget allocations to finance military orders, they were simply not voted in the parliament in the 19th, 20th, or 21st years, and when we asked to give money to the military a month before the full-scale aggression, we were laughed at in the parliament, you don’t need, you know, everyone under one... to fit such a board , i don't know who you have, i say once again that this conflict is between politicians, born and military, what is the issue, the fact that the army is part of society, i think not either debated, yes, uh, exactly the same as, why did i mention before nato, because there is democratic civilian oversight, we are 30 years

about him... we say , we will talk about him for 30 years, we are trying to write something, it is true, we replaced supervision with the word control, and when we tried to introduce it only now, we shouted there that we are joining nato, we are joining nato, just now we introduced it, we created a subcommittee, then we didn't call it three months this committee, subcommittee, sorry, we didn't call it a subcommittee on issues. democratic civilian oversight, we called it the subcommittee on issues of civilian democratic control. what is control over troops, another antagonism immediately began, everyone remembers that for 30 years tanks were taken from us, self-propelled artillery systems were taken from us, everything was sold, everything was withdrawn, excuse me, five warehouses, five arsenals, counted, absolutely that's right, they counted, it's five.

months, sorry, no one needs to order ammunition, 5.5 months, on the last broadcast, not here, but the first western one may be, there was a captain, a very cool guy who tries to teach people to use, unmanned aerial systems, i ask him, here say please, skim... how much is needed, he absolutely does not understand how much is needed, the first thing he says is a million, well, i understand that according to the association, a million of these shells, which we should receive by the end of march or until the beginning of march, it is already difficult for me to say, i am afraid that we will not receive them, in the amount in which the statements promise, hence the statements of zaluzhny, which

shows that... we need to continue, mr. fedorov suggests that we collect it in the kitchen , uh, cool approach, but i can remember and roll back again, here we are about stune, we about one more thing to say, where did the sumy plant that produced gunpowder go, that's the rest, to which political force should its squandering be attributed, or to which political force? it is necessary to attribute, excuse me, to strip the state defense reserve, to which political force, and in this we dumped everything in the end, and on this commander-in-chief and on this commander-in-chief, then we see what he specifically says and sets tasks to whom, the cabinet of ministers of ukraine , which again...

elected by politicians, parliament, he personifies this parliament is absolutely correct , because no matter what we say, yes, again from these quotes, there is parity in uavs, there is parity in drones, but there are no, excuse me, those industrial opportunities that would allow this parity to be overridden, there are none, this is what is sometimes thrown into one. side, now i try to throw it to the other side so that they don't think that everything is simple there. i know of only two high-ranking military officers who defended their doctoral dissertations during the war. one last name is kuzmuk, when the minister of defense tenyukh ordered him to go to the crimea, and it remains to be seen how it would have ended if he had left.