to finally create this palestinian state, and on the one hand they say that hamas should be removed from this process and power be given to the same fatah, but even within fatah there are voices that say, so what, we will have elections, hamas will win, which means there will be hamas, and we are only getting hamas not only in gaza, but also in other territory claimed for the creation of the so-called palestinian state, and therefore in israel, in principle , they understand that it is necessary to maintain control over this sector, maybe not well somehow not to incorporate it into the state of israel, but to have at least military control there, that is, not to withdraw the troops, some thunderous civil administration from the arabs can be created, but military control must remain with israel. so that there is no repetition of the same

thing that happened on october 7, so that these military terrorist structures are not revived and another attack does not happen, and why do they not want to return these prisoners, well, palestinian, let's say, prisoners, well, we have already seen what led to the last time this, when at the same time corporal gave a thousand of these terrorists, all these terrorists. are now taking part in this war, this hamas leader in the sector itself, he is one of the same ones who were exchanged then, sinuart, so israel does not want to step on the same rake. mr. vadim, look, you said that there will be elections and hamas will still win, only now not only in the gaza strip, but also the jews of samaria, that is, on the west bank.

jordan, what about the other side, here is my question, on the other side, i read sociology somewhere even before the war, it seems to me, it is january-february last year, about a year ago, when there was no war yet, and if the number of residents of the autonomy and residents where hamas now rules were not so glaringly anti-israel, they would rather... choose peace than war, that is , the question arises, can something should be done so that the palestinians do not vote for hamas, but at least vote for fatah, i will explain to our viewers that there are two lines, the more moderate one, well conditionally more moderate, because there is yasser arafat, he was also such a terrorist that one, but somehow he reeducated himself and if i left a legacy that this is... fatah

is such a more moderate hand, and hamas is such a one with weapons and not to say that this one with a laurel wreath with a peace bird, but here it is, if there were nuclear weapons, then they would shake with nuclear weapons, what can be done so that there are no such attitudes, whether they are really there and whether hamas will really win under all conditions, well, you have seen the old sociology, there was sociology. the recently conducted survey in gaza itself was somehow conducted, i do not know how it was managed, and the same was conducted in the west bank, and the pollsters were very surprised that the fact is that in the west bank, hamas has more people who support it, and where, if, well, i don't remember exactly, tentatively, if somewhere in gaza 60-70% support it, then in the west bank there are 80%. under 90 hamas supports

, well, they came to the conclusion that the fact that the bombs fell on their heads made the gas a little better, made them more aware, and they realized that hamas actually did it to them, and they show videos of the local residents cursing that hamas , well, they may have understood something, on the west bank they believe that hamas is a hero, what you see what they did to those jews. and why do we need to do it, well, we need to do the same vaunted denazification there , you know, because now they went into the gas, looked at those schools, looked there, what they teach there , what pictures there are, what books there are for children, well, these are just structures children, well , for the education of young terrorists, there are children in kindergartens, they have such matinees, you know, when they

performed there in shahid with small automatic machines in front of millions of parents, and it went on constantly, and they were there interviews with older children, and they all say. "well, we must drive the jews out of this land, that's all ours, and we'll do anything, and die for it, that's our highest, let's say, virtue, sir, but look, when you say bodyification, i'm not offering you to invite the russians, they even a year and two ago very skillfully talked about the fact that they know how to do it well, it turned out not very well, but, that is, then, if it were ideal. the world of the state of israel is such denazification, which began in the 45th year of the past century against the germans when simply, well, how should i say, violent, simply prohibiting the deletion, publication

of new books, any persecution of the sesivites in general, fascists , etc. of the german nation , and the west german one, it is the 79th year, when the film holocaust was released in hollywood, by the way, when the americans influenced the germans in an artistic way, showing them what they created from the 33rd to the 45th year, so this , this, this, if so, by such efforts, we must understand that this where... years for re-education, do i understand correctly, you understand correctly, because these are the first ones after, after the second world war, when these processes of denatification began, then psychologists looked at teenagers there 14-15 years old and said, well there is nothing

you can do here, they are charged with this nazi ideology, and it is impossible to change anything with these people, and they started with small children, there is almost nothing there at all. they say, and the first such people in germany who were completely free from this nazism, they appeared somewhere there in the 1970s and 1980s, well, in an adult form, they began to come to power there, to influence in some way, but in the first post-war years there were a lot of those figures of the federal republic of germany, they were former, well, not of the first echelon, but they were involved in this nazi regime, but , but not the third, but this... the second, maybe not the first, but not the third, so, yes, yes, that is, it goes like this, that's right, i drew a perfect the world for the jews, that is, to simply capture or somehow get some control, maybe international, i'm not saying

israeli, just international control , where just people there, i don't know, belgians, swiss, japanese, africans, brazilians, uh, they, sorry, please, it's my fault, professional , they will simply come and say, we, we, this textbook is not suitable for us, we, we do not think that it is correct, this, this, this teacher who killed three jews, he has no right to teach his heroism in school and so further, this, this is the goal, well, you look, you see what is being done in europe, the united states america , they can’t do anything with their islamism, which is in full bloom there, they can’t do anything with such a flower, they just now started to get a little bit arrogant, they stopped funding this structure, the so-called bapor, 120 of whose employees took part in the attack on israel, and 1,200 were are somehow involved in the structures of hamas, and

this sobered up europe and the united states a little, but today, for example, in new york , the new york police held a hijab holiday. you know, that is, they are the traditions of the islamic community, this hijab, a headscarf, and so on women, maybe tomorrow they will spend another day there, a jihad there, maybe there is also a very good tradition there, so the world itself must somehow recover from this, israel itself will not do anything, and besides, we are we have such neighbors who suffer from this disease a lot. you know, like a blooming flower, that's right, yemen, iran, iraq, syria, lebanon, there, israel does not reeducate everyone, it cannot reeducate, then this task is very strong, well, and about what the jews think, you understand , that for two jews, there are three of them

opinions that are completely opposite to each other, here in israel we have very different such approaches in this sense, people from this. an excuse is practiced by such people that it is necessary to ask all the arabs from here, on the other hand, some hope that they can be re-educated in some way and... the measure of friendship of chewing gum will somehow be established here, so very much that is, in the dry, in the dry residue, mr. vadim, what you are saying is a very difficult topic, because it is a civilizational topic, since civilization has led to political correctness, political correctness has led to the hijab holiday in new york, and and accordingly, so, well, now and now what to do with it? today a hijab, tomorrow a burqa, the day after tomorrow something else and so on and so on, and well yes, this is such

a civilization, well, we have to respect people of different races, moods, religions and so on and so on, and among them there will be terrorists, and this civilization partly led to the terrorist situation in the world, whether i understood correctly or not, well, maybe, maybe this civilization should finally understand that, well, not all islam is as peaceful as someone wants to pretend that it is islamism, with which a very large percentage of the world's muslims are sick, given that there are quite a lot of them, there are tens of millions of people who profess such values ​​of islamism, that is, that the entire world should become muslim, and everyone who those who do not agree with this must die, we see how they are trying hard to... implement this and what it has led to in yemen and around

iran, iraq, syria, what happened in syria, where people were killed for, not only let's say, they muslims there are friendly enemies, but there was a massacre of christians, a massacre of kurds, yezidis and such other national minorities, national-religious, let's say this, and well it's... such a thing and they are now penetrating into europe and there, in fact, it has only just now started a little with them to fight before this they were tolerated in some way threatened not to touch them, they are good there, well, there are isolated cases, you have to somehow put up with it, today there was an attack in my way in porizhe, when a migrant from algeria simply attacked six people with a knife. some new approaches, because we are in the same situation with russia as you with the muslim world, that is, the west also

said: "no, russians, let's impose good relations, they will want to live well, they will want to trade well, if they trade, they will not fight, and everything will be fine, now we we have a war here and we have a war here and there, so we need to come up with some kind of pills. thank you very much, vadym polishchuk, historian, political observer from israel." thank you very much for being with us. now advertising, after advertising - energy, advertising. tingling, numbness or tingling in limbs arise spontaneously and disturb you. a special complex of active substances of dolgita antineuralgia helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system. dolgit antineuralgia promotes the return to usual activities without subjugation and numbness in the limbs. capsules dolgiit. help to your nervous system, nothing has worked yet, not yet, constipation,

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your heart. so, our program continues, as i promised, ivan plachkov, minister of fuel and energy of ukraine 99th, 2005, 2000. sixth chairman of the union council of the all-ukrainian energy assembly, good health, mr. ivan, long time no see, thank you found time for us, here is my question. please, who is helping ukrainian energy? the energy workers themselves, or maybe, what's it called, the weather? well, first of all energy, i will say why, even if the weather is favorable in this autumn-winter maximum,

you can imagine the amount of work that was done in the... energy sector in preparation for the heating season after the amount of destruction caused by the shelling energy infrastructure, so it was prepared, well, if i wouldn't say the necessary amount, but a sufficient amount of equipment, generating capacity, a network of substations in order for us to balance today. energy system, and they also help us when the temperatures were low, we buy electricity from our european friends, there from poland, slovakia, romania, moldova, there is the necessary amount, if we can, we sell electricity, so first of all

energy companies , secondly, our friends, energy workers and colleagues. and it is clear that the weather contributes to the normal passage of the autumn-winter maximum. well, look, after all, we survived until february, despite the fact that it can be called february, it was +7 in lviv today, so that great news, does this mean that next winter, it will be easier than the previous one and and today's winter, will they have time to prepare something else like this? does not mean that the power of the energy industry and energy workers will increase, i am just saying this responsibly, why? because shelling continues, destruction continues, and i can simply state that it may be unpleasant for our viewers to hear

the leadership of the state during these years of independence, there are 30 more. for 30 years, we have turned our state-of-the-art power plant into the most technological complex, it was on the best in the world in retro-energy, and every year we will have more problems and more equipment will break down, because today we are working in the energy industry in the amount of 100 billion, about 100 billion, we do not repair anything, we do not have e. there are no its rearmament, we do not have reconstruction, modernization, we, if we were to do it, are repairing in order to come winter, and unfortunately, i can still say this, here, here, here, the russian energy industry, especially the thermal energy industry, has already suffered from that situation , because they

did the same thing, we have, as it were, more paid attention, but, but the situation is like this... minister of energy herman galushchenko told us that in the 24th year we will build or complete the construction of the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant, it will be super powerful, more powerful than zaporizhzhya , it will be a super duper in europe, it on time, or precisely for? now we have to start in 24 , when there is a little war here, not a little at all, there is a little energy here, but there must be energy and war, and do we have enough money, will westenhaus come and build everything at his own expense, and we only we will use, and we will be lucky that we are expected there at the khmelnytskyi nuclear power station, well, well, look, there are two more units there that have not

been completed since soviet times, and we were planning... its construction there, we were thinking of taking a russian reactor time, then this this this this situation stopped, well, this is a loud appeal, well, i would say, the statement is so very loud, well, and i think that we did not quite understand the minister, so that... we are not ready to start and we will not start either on the 24th, i think, or on the 25th, so in order to start the construction of the power unit, especially with reactors, other designs. we need to do an incredibly large amount of preparatory work, design work, understanding , we need to do that site, we need to survey it,

we need to see what we should dismantle there, not dismantle, i think there is an element of cunning here, that we will start this year, yes we can start dismantling those metal structures that were built in the 80s, and conduct some negotiations with... synhaus, but two power units are 10 billion, at least, that was 3-4 years ago, i think it's 12 billion dollars, where are we going to get these 12 billion dollars, who will finance it, especially the military, this is a big time for the country, yes, the bank, the americans, some bank, the import and export will give a loan, well, who will return this loan to energoatom, and where will he get it? money, these are consumers of ukraine, and therefore there are a lot of such questions, i would be there, well, if, well, you know how there is a statement that is forgotten after 5-6

days, and everyone will forget about this statement, because we heard already from energoatov, that they built nine power units, remember, nine, then small modern reactors were built , well, they declare, declare, this is so eh... well, a declaration for the sake of a declaration, and i think that here, i think, i am sure that westinghouse is not delighted with these statements, this a very powerful , respectable campaign, when it is constantly spoken word for word, they are building it, they will give us a reactor and sell it, and the bulgarians will sell two more reactors, the ones they do not install in their power plants, they are russian, but what will we do? to buy russian reactors that... have been in storage for more than 10 years, who will give a guarantee on safety, this company that produced it, and that the russian factory will give us a guarantee for safe operation, well

, there are a lot of such questions here, mr. ivan, but in principle, we have worked on russian equipment all our lives, now suddenly let's imagine the best picture of the world, someone was found , well, probably someone, i don't know... there god came down to earth, said, here you have 10 billion, here's how much you want, but the energy workers, the engineers themselves, the people themselves, it's easy for them to retrain from russian to american, it is absolutely none, none problems, we ourselves, here is ukraine, i'll tell you, we initiated, i'll tell you, back in 1999, you remember, there was a moratorium on the supply of turbines. liranbatayu very well, but when we were conducting negotiations, and madelyn was still coming to kharkiv, we asked, i

was working as a minister at that time, we asked the question, as compensation, that westinghouse would make us fuel, well, that it would be an alternative, diversification, so that we did not depend on russia, it was in 1999, and we are incredible, how at a high level we fulfilled this task, and they, when we worked, they say, our specialists, they are of the highest, highest level , and you know why, because after chernobyl , we built a lot of training centers at nuclear plants, and the level, and the whole of europe, the french, the english, all we were helped to raise the level of qualification of personnel at nuclear power plants, i will tell you, today we have personnel... well, if not the best in the world, because we worked under such, then one more question, mr. ivan, very hypothetical, no, well can hardly

be answered definitively, it is speculative and you can also speculate, at one time kurchatov, the father , if it were not for us, not for a peaceful atom, but he came to khariton or zildov, or it was the team that worked with him, and asked: how much of our intelligence is here, how much intelligence of the soviet spies, how much we stole oh americans, how many of us can come up with nuclear weapons ourselves, and this zyldovych sykhariton, i don't remember anymore, he says, well, i think we probably invented at least two thirds ourselves, and here are the drawings for one third, then , so kurchatov laughed, said, well, how on the contrary, that's what i had then. the question for you is, how much espionage is there in the fact that we are still discussing with you, that maybe someday the time will come when we and the americans

will start... to trade, how much is really necessary, because what i know, the americans are all 90 - those years they said, please, but the highest ukrainian leadership under pressure, respectively from moscow or spies in ukraine, respectively, said: "no, no, it's good with us, let's give it to russia, we're used to it, everything's good with us, everything's good with russia , we don't need these americans, what do you say? no, look, here such an economic plane, look, the khmelnytsky nuclear plant, er, two power units are working and two sites that are not completed, and they were designed, foundations, metal structures and so on, and they, they were planned under the soviet , vvr reactors, russian, and if we consider that, which is cheaper, it is clear that under those conditions

a decision was made, yes, we will buy these reactors, as we did it at the zaporizhzhia power unit at the sixth power unit, as we completed the h2r4 , we, we completed two power units of 100 mw each on khmelnytskyi and the rivnianskyi station, yes, these are russian projects, if we had said no at that time, we refused, come on americans, it would have cost twice as much, because it is more expensive than a manly letter, and now i understand. that we will not be able to work now and there is no need , and they will not give, will not give us guarantees, they will not accompany and so on, and therefore it is an absolutely correct decision to work either with the americans or with those with the french, and as for the acquisition of such new reactors , well, there are no questions here, there are principles, they are all the same, there is a need

if there is some kind of ... then we can already prepare personnel for these power units, for these power units, because i don't see any problems, well, the problems are financial now, what are you looking at, we have a zaporizhzhia station, which has six power units, which is occupied , so let's focus on ensuring that it remains in such an operational state now, so that the occupiers do not do something that later we cannot... operate and must do this together with the ministry of defense, and here we have six power units, and then , when we have the opportunity, i don't know, economic and so on, let's think, if we talk, then we have to talk about one power unit, well, what are four power units, that's 20, 30 billion dollars, where will we get them and so on, when there is a need to build kokhovskaya, there are a

lot of such tasks that will need funding, and as for how much of this contribution there is of soviet workers in atomic energy and so on, i will say, i think that less than less than 20, there is nothing there, everything was there, the americans after the manhattan project, the first reactor started up company and so on further and the like, and there, well, there is something... they made engineering structures there , you know, such additional equipment and so on, well, all the energy is there, it was just this, this, well, take as an example from americans, but then, indeed , colossal capital investments had already been made and reactors were produced in inzhor at inzhor factories.

of ukraine, the former head of the union council of the all-ukrainian energy assembly was with us, i say goodbye to you until tomorrow, the floor is given to iryna koval.