tv [untitled] February 4, 2024 6:30pm-7:01pm EET
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this is bad news, well, first of all, if you remember a little, and today you can already write down democracy, why was it from the very beginning to entangle aid to ukraine in this big package, where we thought it was the main, so to speak, obstacle the main thing will be the border itself, in fact it turned out that... you are absolutely ready to sacrifice ukraine, i mean, i'm sorry, the republicans sacrifice ukraine in the congress in order to allow the issue of israel to be resolved, because for them, helping israel is big, so to speak, a big problem, in view of the next election, for them, so to speak, if they. won't give aid to ukraine there,
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i don't think it will greatly affect the electoral prospects of their candidate, but if they are in favor of curbing aid to israel itself, i think it will greatly, so to speak, hurt their ambitions in the next election, so you see, it's a very complex interweaving, and still, i'm somewhere er... never says never, i hope that somehow it will somehow turn into some decent formula, but we'll see, you know, there is also the element that in the senate, in the senate , as they told us in the white house, well, the public, as they said, there is an agreement on voting on the package, and it will be interesting to see if the senate votes, it also intends to vote.
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it is next week in a package that will include ukraine, israel, borders, and everything else, and the house of representatives will suddenly jump out only with a vote on israel, how will they coordinate all this, but in any case, this is a problem for us, it is so so to speak, it prevents normal planning, i do i understand, military operations, and harm, harm ukraine as a whole. and here is the question, yesterday your colleague, also a diplomat. spoke to me right here in this studio, he said that it is possible to involve, i just want you to comment on it, to involve our neighbors in the former socialist camp, i mean, he meant lithuanians and poles, they have a lot a large diaspora, in general the baltic diaspora, plus the polish diaspora, plus the ukrainian diaspora, that these people understand that if ukraine begins to retreat, then... next will be the same lithuania, the same
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poland, and therefore precisely this diaspora, lithuanian, polish and other eastern european, can put pressure on the american parliament and the lower house and the upper house, and in this way somehow defend these ukrainian interests as well. what do you say about this? well, look, well , i think that the baltic and polish diasporas are involved in solving these problems, you know, as the americans say. that is, this is what we want, but in reality it is unlikely to be possible, with all due respect to the position of the baltic states and poland and others, all the same, the question that is now stuck in the congress is an electoral question for the united states of america, and here the ruling circles, in particular the democratic and republican parties, they look at
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the solution of this problem absolutely through the prism of the upcoming elections , which are just around the corner, and you know, it was, well, we missed that time, well, we americans there in the first place, missed the moment when it was possible to solve this issue, and then the experts, so to speak, warned that the further before the elections, it will be more difficult to solve it, therefore the question... the involvement of other countries and their diasporas in this problem, it seems to me that it is, so to speak, not unrealistic, especially since the diaspora of the diaspora, they are all, they are all citizens of the united states of america, if we are talking about them , and each of these diasporas, in principle, belongs to one or another party, of course, within their party they can influence
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decision-making in some... way, but in such a way as to rely too much on it, i think it is not necessary , well, exactly in that, yes, mr. ambassador, exactly in the same pi'. the question is, what is the logic of the ukrainian, lithuanian, and polish diaspora - there are 15 million, and these are 15 million votes, and for example, if we start propaganda there before the elections, then those 15 million will be interested both democrats and republicans, and aid can reach ukraine faster, that's the logic, no, it 's correct, well, let's give them a hint and see if they can do it... or not. today it is obvious that the israeli diaspora, the jewish diaspora, worked precisely thanks to it, and it plays a serious role in principle in the political life of the united states of america, and this is what is happening, dismemberment of the package and allocation
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of aid to israel as a separate item on the agenda. this is, so to speak, an example of how among other things. the diaspora in the united states of america also works, that is, i do not want to say that we can there, well, we cannot influence this process, but in theory it has the right to life , such a statement of the question, and well, let's see, let the baltics work states with their diaspora and convince them to vote exactly as it works in favor of ukraine. let's see. well, again, it seems unlikely to me. well, okay, we've exchanged ideas, it's interesting in any case. look, there is a very interesting story here, and i can't imagine what the development of this story could be , it doesn't concern, well, everything concerns ukraine now, it concerns the world, but the americans,
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the american senators began to complain quite strongly about hungary. well, we know that the europeans complained, now it seems that the americans have started to complain, we are talking about some... sanctions so far it's just blah-blah-blah, because it's obvious that not at the level of the state department, not at the level of the white house, but the talks went on, what this story can lead to, you see, this has never happened, it's not in that case, it never happened and, therefore, the same thing happened again, and with the fact that nato and the eu, and we are already talking about nato, there was never such a thing that, come on, let's take a closer look at ukraine, and... with why will we throw it out or impose sanctions, what does this mean? well, look, well, first of all, there is a very specific reason for this, as you know, turkey has agreed to join, to join sweden to nato, sweden must become a member of the alliance, and the last
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reservations, after all, objections are kept by hungary, which still has not approved, as far as i understand, if i may have missed something in the last, last day. uh, no, they didn't make a decision accordingly in the parliament, they say that it will be next week, so this is, so to speak, a concrete example, but on the other hand, uh, hungary has already changed in principle, you know, as the french say, unfang terrible, such a boy who does not listen to anyone, uh, and not only european politics, but also world politics, this is joined in... the united states itself, well, you have to look at it from the same point of view, again, i go back to the next election , and our mr. orban, whom we all see on the screen, he absolutely specifically, categorically stated that he supports donald trump in the next
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elections, wishes him victory, not only that, he is convinced, so to speak, that it is donald trump who will win these elections , therefore he... creates absolutely such a strange situation, when the leader of another state practically interferes in the internal affairs of a sovereign country, which is the united states of america, and therefore i think that for some congressmen and there or senators, members of congress, well, such behavior is also unacceptable , and that is why such calls for the introduction of sanctions began to be heard, i do not... think that it will find some, so to speak, concrete implementation of these calls, it is unlikely that they will materialize, but the question is interesting, and i think , the same for orbán, well he, like some other leaders, is firmly
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convinced that when trump comes to power in the united states of america, not if, but when, then hungary will remember trump. the future president, his position, and gosshin there will receive some dividends from this, and let's not forget, by the way, that there is a very large hungarian diaspora living in the united states. ambassador, nine. and you know, for the last month or so, this impression, the impression of doom, is created by such people, in particular, as orban, that they say that the issue is practically already resolved, the americans will vote for trump, to what extent can it be said today, nine months before the elections, to what extent it can be discussed, well, this is not only an orbanov issue, if you look at the analysis of... american political scientists, the comments of such, well, respected politicians,
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experts , they are all inclined to the opinion that if trump and biden make it to the finals of this race, then biden has a better chance of winning, so significant efforts, they are focused on putting ... some kind of obstacle on the way to trump's nomination to be a candidate for office the president, so i don't want to make a prediction here, i also understand that trump has a serious chance, but how will it actually turn out, you said correctly, another nine months, you know, and some black swans can fly in, and still unfinished, there are so many... at the height of proceedings in the courts of her accusations against trump in
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various violations of the law, so it may have an impact, but nevertheless, well, we must prepare, so to speak, to watch that what's going on, actually the parade is in no way no no no try to influence the processes that take place there, as we did it for a while in the past, we all remember. this, and therefore , you know, it is a different matter, and so to speak, one must be able to live under any ruler who chooses for the rutia or other countries. thank you very much, thank you very much, volodymyr hanoi, president of the ukrainian association of foreign policy, an extremely polite ambassador, a diplomat was in touch with us, thanks to mr. volodymyr, now advertising, and then we will return to the polish events, we will already fly from america to europe, but now advertising, there are discounts on citramondarnytsia, 10% in
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there are 15% discounts on rezi table at the pharmacies of plantain pam and ochad, there are discounts on helpex of 20% at pharmacies of plantain pam and ochad, and good health again, now, as i promised, we will talk about polish events, not only polish, about ukrainian events. and pan-european myroslav cech, polish politician, public figure, i hope he will appear now, he has appeared, thank you, mr. yaroslav, for cooperating with us on sunday, instead of resting. and here is my question, and i even think that i will start with it, it is very important, i just have a hard time imagining why these problems are, now, as i understand it, these are more european problems than ukrainian-russian ones, regarding agricultural goods, if it were, but still, i would have thought to talk about it back in october, even
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before elections, why it was difficult to understand the polish market. can eat this amount of grain, i don't know ukrainian honey there, i don't know there, sunflower, this is what we are talking about, this amount we accept, this amount we transit, we understand that we have to seal these cars at the border with ukraine , they get to gdańsk or there to germany, or there somewhere to slovakia, and then we mean and yes and in short it is from my absolutely not... financial and economic head, i just imagined, i would, yes, yes, in ukraine war, we need to help , the european market is like this, we can allow such, such, such, such, if we cannot allow it, they are already saying it, i hoped that they would speak like this in brussels, they would say, then we will cover your expenses, well, we will find a way to compensate for your losses
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due to the presence of ukrainian goods, this still not there, is there a deeper problem? good evening, mr. mykol, that's all, everyone has received compensation, the money is already in their pockets, firstly, it's about politics, local elections are coming up in poland, that's one thing, they will be on april 7, secondly, the current ruling coalition has taken a tough course , a course to debunk all the illegal actions of his predecessors. well, accordingly, various circles connected with the past government want to extract political dividends for themselves, thirdly , there are currently protests by farmers, producers throughout the european union agricultural products with attention to the so-called green
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order, the european one, there it is mainly about additional payments to the... and preferential preferential tax rates, that is, it is exclusively about money, in western europe there is no problem with ukrainian grain at all, the problem appeared in france with sugar, because ukrainian sugar went to france in larger quantities, but there they introduced various quotas and so on, that is, agreements are possible in poland just today... since april, almost a year, ukraine has not imported four types of grain, i.e. wheat, corn and rapeseed, as well as sunflower oil, i.e. to oppose the fact that something threatens the polish market due to ukrainian exports is a complete lie,
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there is simply no such fact when it comes to ukrainian grain, it does not come to poland, ukrainians in 2000... in 2023, thanks to the activity of the armed forces of ukraine , sea transportation was restored, it seems that deputy prime minister kubrako stated that even through ports and by sea, by sea, by sea, ukraine exports more products in general than in the pre-war period, conditionally 2021, i.e. ukrainian exports do not depend on how much transportation there will be now through the territory of poland, and here... the next component, unfortunately, it all goes very much in russia's hands, since the border was blocked from november to half of january , as well as the blockade, which is predicted from february 9, which should continue for 30 days, and there is also the threat of blocking the railway, let's not forget that
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the main amount of military cargo is currently transported to ukraine by railway, the supply of armies, all this causes a very serious concern and i think that the government and the authorities of both states and poland and ukraine need to take very strict measures at that moment in order to prevent this next blockade, because there is no reason for it. mr. myroslav, look, as you say, the local elections are inexorably approaching, and then the question arises, and poland will now... how long will it be shaken, how long will the new government, as it were, clean up the remnants of law and justice. we understand that for eight years, i don't remember, for sure, how long she was in power, what it was, well, they appointed their people , they introduced some legislation, they
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, they did a lot of things for themselves, and the new government wants to get rid of it, it is that poland will be shaken for years now, well, the last elections in the cycle of those elections that began on october 15 parliamentary elections are presidential elections. june 2025, i am not saying that there will be such blockades until then, but there will be a fever, i think that the case of blocking the border and the transportation of ukrainian goods of various purposes to the corresponding appropriate plane should be put forward, that is, this issues of national security, ukraine in the first place, but also poland and nato and the european union, and this should be emphasized. it is not about economic problems, economic problems are solved at the negotiating table, especially since the decision was made by the european commission, to which poland
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agreed, well then, as it agreed, well then let's implement this decision, instead of groups of people coming out and protesting , well, protests have their rights, of course, we can see they are also so enchanting, something burns, something is brought, tractors, if some stones are thrown and so on. further, that is, everything on tv looks very tough, in reality these protests are not tough, whatever the world has seen, and western europe is used to farmers' protests, poland is used to farmers' protests, but that would be normal, because the economy, well people have the right to protest and strikes happen, nothing is normal in a democracy, but ukraine is at war, ukraine is in a very difficult situation due to military aggression. russia, which threatens the whole of europe and nato, and from this it is necessary draw the right conclusions, because you can't talk to yourself like that, and neither protests, blocking the border, this is about the economy, and what does this have
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a bad effect on the economy of ukraine, well, excuse me, well, of course you are a war, we support you during this war, but here don't ignore it, don't take it to heart, in fact, the blocking happens for another purpose, it's not true, well, you can't say that abstractly at all. from the existing situation, which is real, and all the more so that now there are any, any reasons for blocking the ukrainian border there are no polish farmers, there are no reasons, one more question, this is preparing us for the variability of the coming months and years, because mr. duda, the president of the polish republic, well, not that he briefly suggested the possibility... let's say, assumed the possibility that ukraine will not return crimea , it is very painful in ukraine, ukrainians
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do not even want to hear about it, but in fact, during the war, during the fog of war, as i do not remember who said, we do not see anything, there may be such a result, there may be such a result, there may be such a result, and may among the results there will be those that we will not like at all, not me, i say, but ... the general public, then why did duda say this, this is simply the preparation of the public opinion of ukraine, listen, let's not constantly think only about what we will all win and we will be fine, let's think about different options, or did he just say that out of stupidity, well, your words, my wisdom, that is, he said it out of stupidity, he just didn't change his mind and so on, but he is the president, so ... with you, mr. mykola, we can assume, talk various options, discuss and so on, he expresses the position of the state, and no one exempts him during the term
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of office of the president, from the fact that he should communicate the position of the state, and not deal with whether we are with you, that is, the public, an assumption , analytics and so on, this is our profession, and his profession is to express a position, a position that is absolutely unacceptable, he denied it, the minister of foreign affairs vradislav shchikorskyi... expressed a clear position and essentially called for this in order to de-escalate this statement by the president, he he shouldn't have said it, he said it during such a seemingly free, free interview, where he wanted to appear as, well, well, a human person who has his emotions, his pros, his assumptions and so on, that is, that he thinks the same different options, he is also a scientist, a doctor of legal sciences and so on, well, that’s it, well , it turned out the way it turned out, thank god that it was... exhausted and, but also thank god, the fact that the statements sounded very harsh, and the main point of the president's posture is that the president should express a position, not engage in speculation.
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you just mentioned sikorsky, and this is important, this is also such a coincidence that yesterday i researched, well, i read some literature about the behavior of switzerland during the second world war, and for many decades, as when, so simply citizens of occupied countries, and worst of all, jews wanted , they said, listen, there lies our money, the money of our parents, the swiss. they said, this made me very angry, that they would show a certificate that your father or grandfather died in auschwitz, it was the impression that the germans issued certificates, before they put people in the gas chambers, they gave a certificate, here is a certificate that we you killing, and now - when 20 years from now, show this certificate to a swiss bank, and your son or daughter will be given money, but sukorski said that poland ... is considering
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options for compensation from germany for the second world war, and after reading this about switzerland , when no one managed to get this money in full, there are some tears, some small things really they compensated, but a huge amount of money remains well in the swiss national bank, how much is it politics, or is it really on the mountain understand that it is possible to achieve that... that the germans will compensate something in poland for the second world war, then the hungarians will start, the slovaks will start, the ukrainians will start, the russians will start, there are many people there to start saying give us money, money, i'm sorry, well, yes, you remember, the 90s was the money of ukrainian extremists, and how it ended and so on, that is, this issue has
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a very... long history, a very long beard, and it consists of several levels, no i want us to go into these details now, because we will definitely not have enough time, but the terms are very important, minister shikotskyi said about compensation, instead, peace and the authorities of peace and president duda and the head of the party yaroslav kaczyński talked about reparations, and reparations is a legal term that takes into account full compensation for losses . then one comes across such a tough position of germany that the issue of reparations for poland was resolved as under the communists, i.e. before 1989 and after 1990, when poland had already become democratic, i.e. there is no question of reparations, because as reparations , and then you know that it is revealed that 1/3 of the territory of poland today is the former lands
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of the second and third reichs. post-german state , and then what to do with these lands and how much it cost and so on, that is, we are entering a very slippery slope, very slippery, well, there is also ukraine, then some friction will begin, because we are also here with the territories, not no, well, not everything is perfect , let's say, i'm in lviv, the poles can say, well, okay, let's go to lviv - we also have it here, there can be a polish polish position in lviv and in eastern galicia, it is much weaker, conditionally so in legal terms , like, say, there, the german ones, but the germans have no claims, that is, let's go back, there is no question of reparations, the minister is talking about compensations, and germany is ready to talk with poland about compensations, what kind of compensations? let's build, for example, a museum, there will be a museum of nazi crimes against the polish people in berlin, okay, let's build it, we'll be there for you.
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we will build something else, let something like that and so on, that is, we will invest in the development of your culture, presence, something there we will rebuild, for example, eh, we are talking about in warsaw, where the grave of the unknown soldier is, there was once a huge palace of the kings from the weting dynasty, that is, the kings of saxony, well, the germans say, let us rebuild this palace for you with our money, you want to rebuild, we we will help you in this, we will finance it, this will be our compensation for what happened during the warsaw uprising. this palace was destroyed, and so it is about such things, this money for individuals, children already at that moment victims of german forced labor, freedmen in essence of the third reich, or persons who suffered in other punitive actions of the third reich, were they simply victims of this criminal...
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