meeting in kyiv, well, it was said there that she confirmed her firm determination and decisive support for the united states, ukraine and in its struggle, and so on and so forth, that is, i cannot rule out that she also spoke about the possible resignation of zaluzhny, so that, of course, it was known in the united states that it was happening there, and since, since we can see from everything that the administration was not satisfied with it, it is quite possible that she spoke about it. well, of course, the question of help for us from the outside remains up in the air for now of the united states, senate majority leader chuck schumer said that next week the senate will vote on an additional bill on national security, which includes a bipartisan agreement on border security, and, of course, aid to ukraine and israel. at what stage are these processes in the us now? "as far as we can tell,

the bill, it's ready, it 's a version of it agreed upon by these two groups of senators, one group from the democrats, the other from the republicans, even the leader of the republican group, senator lankfort was reprimanded by the republican party committee in the state of oklahoma for negotiating with democrats to approve this bill, and chuck schumer, who determined. the agenda of the senate , as the leader of the majority, he said that he put it to the vote on wednesday, well, there should be several votes there, because in the senate there is such a procedure for consideration of bills, first you have to vote to start the discussion of the bill, and 60 votes are needed before that, it seems to me that of all that i saw that those 60 votes would be because the vast majority of democrats support this bill, it may not be supported by a few left-leaning democrats. because they

oppose unconditional aid to israel, and they also don't like the immigration changes that have been made, but it's going to be a few votes against, there are about 20 republican senators who are far-right or trump-oriented, but it will still be enough to have 60 votes, but what will happen next is unknown, and no one can do that predict now because...what the speaker of the house will decide, whether he will put it on the agenda of the house or not, no one knows because his statements are very contradictory, by the way, he has an interview with nbc tomorrow , such a sunday weekly program, a meeting with the press, there will be his big interview, maybe he will say something new, because it seems to me that when he made demands back in november that aid to ukraine is connected with changes. he initially talked about strengthening

border security, biden submitted this one a bill with aid to ukraine, aid to israel, aid to taiwan and another 14 billion to strengthen security at the border, then he said that more changes are needed in immigration legislation, now these changes have been agreed, he said a week ago that this bill died on on the way to the house of representatives. my impression is that from the very beginning he put forward conditions that he thought would be unacceptable to the democrats, to the administration, and then he could always say, well, you see, we can't move aid to ukraine because the administration doesn't care about the southern border, about reducing the flow of illegal immigrants and so on, he can't say that now, but the problem is that donald trump, he's... he's building

his campaign mostly now on he 's the only person who can solve the border problems, so he just doesn't want this bill to pass, and because there's aid to ukraine, and because there's really a lot of things there that can help reduce the flow a lot, the flow of immigrants being admitted to the united states from mexico, well and mr. igor... another such toy that trump likes to play with in the context of the election campaign is the economic, in general, status and condition in the united states, now politico is writing about the fact that the economy of the united states is improving, and this is already now is forcing trump, and apparently his advisers, to look for other buttons to push in the lead-up to election day to play... on them, and essentially play against

joseph biden, as far as what donald trump will do next ? it's hard to predict, he... by the way, several days ago he's on his social network, this truth social, he, he tweeted that the economy is improving, the stock market is hitting records because he's expecting his return, that 's because of him, that is, what's going to happen, what's going to happen next, it's hard to say, actually he, he from all his recent speeches, he really took on this border issue and illegally. migrants, and he repeated all last week that only he can solve this problem, and that this bill, which is being prepared in the senate, is bad, and it is better that there is no bill, rather than a bad bill, while he repeats that

there are 300,000 murders in the united states every year, supposedly some of these murders are committed by illegal immigrants, but that is absolutely not true. but he says this, and at the same time he wants nothing to be done for another year to reduce the flow of illegal immigrants, that is, if you believe him, he proposes that another 300 thousand murders take place, what will happen next, it is difficult to say , i really, really don't have an answer to that, but i think he will keep doing what he's doing, that is repeating these topics that what can improve the economy. only the war is getting better thanks to him, that only he will solve the border problem, that only he can stop the war in ukraine, only he will do it in 24 hours, he will, he will constantly repeat the same things. and you, by the way, can understand this social chauvinism that i see all the time in

the united states, when people tell me that they are supporters of make america great against this movement in favor of trump and at the same time supporters of ukraine, that they did these people come in... maga t-shirts to the congress session dedicated to helping ukraine? i absolutely agree with you that this is schizophrenia, because it is like split personalities, so how is it possible, how is it possible to support this magarukh and at the same time support ukraine, i do not understand what is in people's heads, i just , that it is clear to me that modern methods of influencing, well... people's consciousness, there are so many of them that it is very easy to program people's consciousness in some, let's say, dark, dark side, when people simply stop understanding reality, and

millions of people live there, tens, hundreds of millions of people, and all over the world, and somehow they move to virtual reality. instead, instead of the real world, they see some kind of virtual world, just like that, just like many supporters of donald trump, they see the world that donald trump paints for them, and they believe that, that this world exists, that, what is there everything is so and so, as, as he paints, exactly as trump paints, and unfortunately, there are really a lot of such people, they, in the united states tens of millions, and there are hundreds of millions of them in the world, and what to do with it. uh, you know, like, as timothy snyder said recently, the only thing you can do about it is to spread true , real information, and educate people so that they can draw the right conclusions from real facts, first, so that people get real

facts and could draw correct conclusions from these real facts. well, if we talk about the general status of the election campaign now in the united states. mr. igor, should niki geli be written off, because primaries scocuses show that in principle from the democrats really biden from the republicans mostly trump has success, but there are other candidates and is everything decided for them according to your feeling and in your opinion? well, the democrats actually have actually one candidate, dean phillips, a congressman from minnesota, and his only complaint about joe biden is that he thinks joe biden is...too old to be president, well, that's unacceptable seriously overwhelming majority of democratic voters, of course, this will be confirmed, but today they are passing democratic primary in south carolina , and the republicans, look, nikki haley,

in my opinion, has no chance unless trump remains the candidate, that is, unless... somehow, say, through court verdicts, it turns out that he will not be able to participate in the elections, because the primaries in the republican party are taking place. when average, regular, registered republicans come out and vote, most average republicans support donald trump, and so the chances of them winning the primaries are virtually no, maybe, maybe there might be some chance in the blue democratic states, where there are more of these more centrist republicans, well , let's say she had such a chance in new hampshire, new hampshire. that the state is liberal, so moderately democratic , there are more moderate republicans, and

she received almost 44% of the votes of those who took part in the primaries there, although in new hampshire the primaries are open, not only party voters can participate in them, anyone can come and say, here is an independent voter, i want to participate in the primaries of the republican party, what was interesting in new hampshire was that these independents who participated... about these primaries, and 70% of them voted for nicky hale, only 30% for trump. because of this support of independent voters, trump has a chance to win the election in november, well, there is none, if there is such a level of support of independent voters at the level of 30 or 40%, as according to the survey that was conducted, the results of which were published in friday, this is not enough to win, to win the general national election. but for geli, the decisive moment will be the primaries, which will be in her home state,

south carolina, where the republican primary will be on february 24, the second anniversary of the full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, and if she does not manage to win in her home state, or at least not fall far behind from trump, then of course, i think she will stop campaigning soon enough after that, mr. igor, thank you, igor. reisenberg, a professor at new york university, joined the saturday politics club, and we're going to take a short break now, after which a whole hour with vitaly portnikov, wait. vasyl zima's big broadcast, two hours of airtime, two hours of your time, two hours to learn about the war and what the world is like, two hours to keep up with economic and sports news. two hours in the company of your favorite presenters. presenters, who have become familiar to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, events of the day in two

hours, vasyl zema's big broadcast, a project for intelligent and caring people, in the evening at espresso. we continue the saturday political club on the tv channel espresso, khrystyna yatskiv, vitaly portnikov, and the main events of this week. undoubtedly, the most talked about in ukraine was the confrontation. of the political and military leadership, about the possibility of the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, about the existence of such a decision, so far without a specific published decree. at the same time, we understand that the situation on the frontline remains quite difficult, and valery zaluzhnyi also states this in his material for cnn. it so happened that all these events and all these discussions. around these events united in one, i don't know, vortex in the information space this week.

mr. vitaly, can this be called something culminating on the eve of, perhaps, really some changes, you know, we, in principle , speak for sure about what will happen around the reformation of the military and political leadership of the country, because we understand that this is a plan for a big reformation military political. countries, and even you and i should be aware of what it is connected with. he connected with march 30, with the end of the constitutional powers of the president of ukraine. this is such a reality, it does not seem serious to you and me, but to volodymyr zelenskyi and his entourage, it seems serious, because by and large , this must also be clearly said. the constitution of ukraine does not provide an answer to the question of what the powers look like. after their end. regarding the parliament, there is an absolutely clear formula that the new parliament

continues its powers until the moment when the new deputies of the new of the verkhovna rada, so that this parliament exists, if it will have a sufficient number of votes to make decisions, it can work at least until 20049. and such. by the way, there were precedents in the history of many countries, for example , the parliament of the republic of china in taiwan, there the deputies for many years represented territories that the republic of china had not controlled for a long time, but... from the point of view of constitutionality, they had all the rights, because of various strange districts were elected, that is, it can be told for a long time there, but i will not talk about it to focus on this now, i will simply say that this is the situation, for the president it is a different situation, you and i clearly understand how it should be, that the president must fulfill his powers until the new elections of the head of state, whenever they are, because all

of us, as citizens, simply want the president... as a legitimate leader of the state, as an institution, to ensure, if you will, the continuity of the institutions of power until the end of the war and before new elections, but this is us and you, and now look at this eyes, let's say the president and his entourage, they judge for themselves how they feel about the situation, what do they think we would do in such a situation, we would be in the opposition, and he would be in power, relatively speaking... petro poroshenko or yulia tymoshenko would take advantage and they would press for the fact that they would use the constitutional provisions, they would appeal to the people, they would shake up the situation, and of course they will do it, and our critics will say what kind of president this is, he has run out of powers, he has turned into this, a duck, and russia will say it, and

they will listen to them, and so will ours the western allies will be unsure, because we need to do so... a simple program of actions, so if you just sit in the seat of some adviser, then you imagine that you are zelensky there, and i am your adviser, who is meeting with you, there they say that only one person generally meets with him periodically, and we know her last name, but it does not matter, we are now considering a theoretical situation with you, how to maintain power in such a critical situation, the first is the reformatting of the air ... and military management so that none of his representatives did not pose any threat to you, that is, so that no one thinks, looking at these people, that the chairman of the verkhovna rada can be the acting president, and moreover, even if there is a situation in which the chairman of the verkhovna rada will

performing the duties of the president, so that it was managed by the head in full, it is with us. there is no, i don’t know, we consider everything hypothetically , we consider it hypothetically, you think that it exists, and i think that it is not, that the replacement of the chairman of the verkhovna rada is also on time, on time it is planned, or slaves, you understand, i have on from this point of view, if i were the current chairman of the verkhovna rada, i would understand that he has been working for the last months, uh, because he looks, look at the chairman of the verkhovna rada, mr. stefanchuk, just outside of depending on the situation, can so? person to be called the acting president of ukraine? you put this person who, what , whatever his name would be in fulfillment of what is written in our constitution, on the very figure, well, he does not look like a person who is capable of performing the duties of the president, to me it seems that it looks, well, completely, well, that is, but there must be such a person who will not

look, okay, now you said that completely, well, and i, i simply did not even understand what these questions were about. you now him, now you watched it somewhere in the president's office, and it was you who now sentenced stefanchuk, you should have said no, under no circumstances, if you wanted him well, no, what, you are so welcoming, and what is he performs the duties of the president, look at him, you should have said that, but you didn't, it was a provocation, but this provocation is not for you bad, and for mr. stefanchuk, his political future, it means that there will be someone else whom you will say no to, and... until that moment there will be changes of speakers until such a person appears, they will try, once there is a change the prime minister and government officials. the prime minister has been prime minister long enough, despite all his anonymity, can be perceived as a real prime minister, must not be real, at all. the third is the change of

the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. if the current commander-in-chief has one a high level of trust in society. just has to be the commander-in-chief, it has nothing to do with war, or military effectiveness, or anything, we can discuss the issue of military effectiveness separately with experts, with experts, absolutely, and i'm telling you what it looks like from the point of view of the strategy of thinking, it means that there must be an unpopular person, an unpopular speaker of the parliament, an extremely unpopular prime minister, maybe this one will remain in such a situation, an unpopular commander-in-chief. all by the armed forces must be unpopular, only one person can be popular in the country, one, from the point of view of doubts about... things that i, let's say, do not have, but i clearly have no doubts about the legitimacy of volodymyr zelenskyi, but

he may have, it’s about, this problem is not in me, not in you, not in poroshenko, not in tymoshenko, not in zuluzhnoi, not in stefanchuk, this problem is in one person and in those who surround him and who can help him is to say, imagine, mr. president, what will happen in... april, any person who will be popular, and can we hope for our deputies, but we hear that we cannot aim at them, there is no unity, ugh, and this is the whole process and going on, in fact, this is not a story about zaluzhny at all, it is a story about the need to preserve power in the conditions of the expiration of the term of legitimacy , it's not a story about the armed forces, and that's terrible, you know? yes, because the war is going on in the first place, because the war is going on in the first place, because the people who live in high positions in ukraine do not live in a world of war, in

a world of the need to continue their, their tenure, preservation of power after the war, this is some kind of, you know, stubborn confidence that ukraine is no longer in danger, and nothing will happen, no, there is no such confidence, i think, all the more, all the more. well, you understand, these people have never lived in reality. there is a huge problem. the vast majority of ukrainians have never lived in reality. so. volodymyr zelenskyi, his entourage, representatives of this overwhelming majority, because they won. and they continue to perceive the world somehow differently. here we see in this book by simon schuster that zelensky was convinced that sooner or later he would come to an agreement with putin. even after butch, i don't know how true that is, but i take schuster as a witness, let's just say, as a witness, and i basically understand why that is, because if we

accept that the president is a mood swinger average ukrainian, so he does not understand the reasons why the russian president started this war, and he is constantly looking for reasons and may think that the reasons can be overcome. can lead to the end of the conflict, and the russians, by the way, have already started say out loud why they started the war, because you know, they made some passes with their hands and feet, wrote some articles, talked about peace in donbas, in the end they lost patience, because they, they also began to understand that others do not understand the reasons , that others take all this, i would take the bullshit they say at face value. crimea, donbass, today there is president duda, an experienced politician, crimea has historical ties with russia, so probably it will not be possible to simply release it, and donetsk and luhansk, probably not

has such historical ties, then they are easier , this is schizophrenia, why are we talking exclusively about our president at all, when the presidents of neighboring countries are also schizophrenics, who proceed from some absolutely incomprehensible reasons, not from the point of view of international law, but from the point of view , which is nicer. to the heart of a russian, but surely russians love crimea, i would like to tell president dudzi that warsaw and lublin were also part of russia in general, and from this point of view it may be difficult to liberate them too when they are occupied, but he is not thinks, he is absolutely sure that poland is poland, donbas is donbas, and crimea is something else. the russians themselves convinced president duda or someone else with their fictions that this is a reality, and now former president medvedev is already saying: the very existence of ukraine. is the cause of our war, well i already said, if they tell you that, it's about, you know, like a jew in the constabulary, he goes around and tries to understand what

's wrong with him, maybe he's not so shaved, maybe he's not so combed, maybe he not so circumcised, maybe he prays, but maybe not pray, maybe you don't have to read it, it just exists, it just exists, you can go look for 150, ukraine just exists, that's why its war with russia... that this is an existential conflict that can end either with the disappearance of ukraine, or with the fact that ukraine from russia, everything, everything , nothing more will happen, it must be clearly understood, either life or death, no negotiations, or ukraine will stop russia somewhere at some stage, and russia will understand that it will not be able to break through, or russia will destroy ukraine, this, this has already happened in history, i don't know how many times, i suggest. a simple analogy, it is called a miracle on a donkey, ugh, the troops of marshal mykhailo tukhachevsky near warsaw, the puppet government

of poland was created. by the way, what kind of marriage were they going to make in 22 with yanukovych, medvedchuk and this whole hop company, ukrainians, by the way, all ethnic, well, felix kohn, felix dzirzhynskyi, all this navoloch are already sitting in the car and waiting for them will rule this pseudo-poland, which will be created after the occupation by the bolsheviks, and here marshal pilsudski and other polish military leaders simply expel tukhachevsky. from poland, they are being expelled, unfortunately, there was not enough strength to expel this gang from ukraine, but they were expelled from poland, and then after some time there was a peace agreement there, because bolshevik russia simply realized that it would not be able to occupy poland, by the way, it is not clear not definitively, no, not definitively, as they just sat and waited for a new opportunity, therefore, if you sign, conditionally speaking,

the russian-ukrainian peace treaty... and do not become members of any of its defense alliances, do not repeat this mantra that we do not want to leave this war to our grandchildren, grandchildren will definitely die in the next russian-ukrainian war, definitely, well , some will die, some will not die, but some part will die, they have no chance to survive, because russia will be waiting for the moment, as it was waiting now for the moment from 91- th year to 2014, then from 14 to 20. they were waiting for the moment for a big blow, yes, if this war ends in 2020, some year there, and ukraine will not become a member of nato, but will simply be some neutral state there, just so that you have there was no doubt that as soon as the ukrainian state was weak, they would immediately attack, and that's all, they may attack at the wrong moment, there may simply be some period of democratic russia, everyone will kiss, eat cake, remember the russian language, oh, repent, all

that, and then a new putin will appear and attack and everything, and the whole war will be from the grandchildren, and the grandchildren will say, oh, what a pity that our grandfathers did not join nato, well, there were no such geopolitical opportunities, well, nothing, we will take these, there will already be some new weapons, high-tech, some missiles, we shoot here and there, lose one area, take another and there, ugh, we sign peace an agreement with... with our beloved brothers, so that in 20 years they will attack us again, they are like that, that's it, forget about negotiations and forget about a peaceful settlement of the conflict, there is a chance to fight back , and there is a chance after this, this opportunity, again these are not very big chances, but they are there, and by the way, if we talk about the military component, the general always clearly says how, uh, to use such chances, and after that think about the security guarantee, that is, the biggest

guarantee... a more realistic guarantee security, so that they think, even if it is a myth, that if they attack us, they will all die, well, there will be a nuclear war, ugh, nothing will be left, that's the only thing that stops them, because a large number of victims does not stop, that's normal, but if everyone there will simply be the existential death of great russia, we do not need a world, as you know, where there is no russia, we need a world where there is russia, so this... maxim, why did they not attack poland after the 20th year, because they realized that if they attacked poland again, the bolshevik regime could collapse, why do we need a world where there is no soviet russia , we do not need such a world, why did they not attack finland after 18-20 years there, because from the side of finland yudenich's army once attacked them, and the finns did not support yudenich's army, but these means the printed

bolshevik leaders. understood that if they start fighting with finland at this moment and another army of yudenich goes to kronstadt to petrograd and destroys everyone there and takes control of this part of northern russia, then the bolshevik government may fall, then so be it finland is an independent country, we are nothing, we are only for it for 20 years, in the 39th year that's all, we don't need any democratic finland anymore, already the government of the finnish democratic republic, already like this one after. because it was exactly a song for the 22nd year, open us quickly , trustingly, this means your door trustingly , your wide courtyards, it is important to open trustingly , how in the world do you understand trustingly, and if it is not trustingly, then we will have some discomfort, and we must come trustingly and all of you destroy , just open, well, that means we have it

dealing with such a miracle. a neighboring country is simple.