here you can only think for now, well, really , because for me these questions also remained unanswered, that is, in fact , the conceptual article is good, written in a difficult way, for understanding, it is available to experts who know the entire background of changes in the approaches to the conduct of hostilities , and why the snn, really, let’s put it this way, there is a question whether there were political insurance factors in it after all, that in particular there is a question there about the removal of... zaluzhny, about his replacement there, and then zaluzhny, conditionally speaking, something so trolls those politicians who believe that the conduct of hostilities action is a simple matter, that you can come to the battlefield, hand out tasks, and there the military will run forward, he wants to possibly raise the level of the discussion to such a level that this white noise is still connected to fighting simply, so that he will leave after all to the side, and then it really came to the fore in... conducting

hostilities as an art that requires a certain potential, and certain knowledge and certain opportunities. in a certain way, of course, well, it is hard not to notice that there is such and such a correlation, that processes are taking place in ukraine, and there is already a look into the political future, who is who will be after this war, and something is already happening, well, if we go back closer to... to military operations, then if we believe what the foreign media write, they write that the meaning of the current discussion between the political and military authorities is that , what the military will say: give us half a million people and give us a material resource in order to change the situation on the battlefield, and the political authorities answer: you will not have half a million, because ukraine is in that...

find or we will find others who will revive the situation on the battlefield, well, it goes on answer, well, if there are no people, let ’s, let’s work with technologies and find new options, but there is still such a message here, well , the problem is fundamental, if, if there are no people on the battlefield, if the mobilization of half a million is a certain problem, then whatever -who will not change anything on the battlefield, and... and if the task of the political power is to change the war without moving the front, then the existing military leadership, which already has experience, can also do it, but you have to put it then task: well, let's go we say publicly that there will be no more people on the battlefield, we have to work with what we have, well, there is certainly a little rotation, and find other options and that, that army... the leadership

, that system of military leadership that has already developed in these two years, she can handle it, i do not rule out that there is also such a signal, well, at least in such a form that our partners understand it, they are no longer interested in dealing with who does not like whom in ukraine and who does what engaged, they need the system to work, someone needs to explain what with mobilization of the problem, they know it... and so they know, well, what will you do, well , they explain what they need to do, but again, this question remains, why in cnn and why it is so difficult, well, maybe there was no other form, well, then the question is what to do in any case with these technological approaches, they are conceptually correct in essence, but in order for them to work, a certain period of time is needed, when they will have an effect on the situation on the front line, and we will have such a a certain

opportunity gap when we lack the basic tools to maintain the situation on the front lines, and then the question is, what do you think about the coming of american aid to these political decisions, is there a risk that they will be dragged out so long that it will really create significant problems for our line of defense where it is now. already now we have to save, i think in principle that as far as ammunition is concerned and, well , ammunition, what is being produced now, it has basically been paid for a long time ago, and here it does not depend so much on current decision-making, current decision-making precisely and designed for further technologies that will allow decisively bring the war to victory, in order to get, well , you need old weapons, you need old weapons.

to maintain the situation at the front, but i understand that, in addition to the fact that it is necessary to maintain the situation at the front and wait until the defense industry in europe and the united states... of the united states regarding the production of old weapons that they did not plan to produce already, or they will raise production to the levels that ukraine needs, i think this should happen by the end of the year, but by the end year, we have to live, and now we have to find these old calibers, either i or the idea arises, or give us your old weapon, a10 will be quite suitable to compensate for the shortage. ammunition at will, it’s better than the su-25, you have a lot of them, you took them out of production, come on, that’s one question, i think, in principle, to maintain the situation on the battlefield, in principle, there is enough money, here enough and a lot

has been paid for, what is now produced in factories is paid for, money is needed to find a little there in south korea, somewhere that's how to know. there are still calibers that are not enough, but in order to get new technologies, we need these, we need this money, we need this money, and maybe this is also what the discussion is about, that we need technologies, this is a language that our partners understand, well , technological development, there is a green transition, and here are the necessary technologies, including the war should become technological without large human sacrifices, well, maybe in this way, in this way also... there is also an opinion that it is necessary to give money for new technologies, which will allow in principle, well, everyone is talking about what many are saying, well, in fact, russia is not that strong, there are problems there, they hide them, but they are there, and it is really possible

to simply give more long-range weapons than everyone with all these technologies , a long-range weapon that will allow to work in the entire occupied territory. in large volumes, well , more technological, but still not the most modern systems, this will also solve the situation, well, something revolves around this, but again, let's repeat it again, it's difficult to say why it is so difficult, why everything and mr. oleksiy, this is the last question, maybe there will be a short answer, nuland, the deputy director of the us for political affairs, is visiting kyiv and... and based on the results, she says that putin will receive several pleasant or unpleasant surprises there on on the battlefield for the successes of the ukrainian army, what surprises can we talk about, can we talk about the fact that, in particular

, there will be some solutions that did not exist before, well , in particular, there will be strikes on the territory of russia with american means, the transfer of some samples that were not previously were planned, whether there is do you have any guesses about this so...mystical statement by nuland? with regard to the american permission on the territory, everyone is hoping for it, i think, it should be applied to air targets already now, maybe it is possible, whether it is possible to apply it on the ground for the territory of ukraine, i am not sure, i do not rule out that there are additional conditions, well, the rebranding has to be, not a storm shelter, but there is a storm in the swamps, something like that. must be a ukrainian missile. let me remind you that we talked about zaluzhnyi's article, a new design of war, with oleksiy yezhak, an expert from the national institute of strategic of research the article is extremely interesting, powerful , it reflects certain realities, but we will

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of our defense industry, and about these and other aspects are related to our defense industry, both state and private, we will talk with our guest, we are joined by the head of the all-ukrainian association of employers of the machine-building industry federation and the head of the ukrenmash corporation vitaliy nemolostyvy, mr. vitaliy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you , i congratulate you and the audience. i would first of all like to start with zaluzhnyi's article, i am not sure if you have had time to read it, because it is extremely large and complex. on the other hand, he says one of the theses that concerns that the defense industry is currently regulated in a certain way in ukraine, certain approaches must be sought to unblock the work of our defense industry, but in any case about the work of our defense industries. i would like to hear a little bit from you, because against the background

of the fact that a number of inspections by law enforcement agencies, various entrepreneurs, various structures that affected the efficiency of work were taking place, then there was an appeal to the president that in fact, such unpredictable actions on the part of the supervisors should be stopped organs, and how it affects the work now... of the defense industry from the point of view of our law enforcement agencies and how to change the existence of our defense industry in view of the needs that general zaluzhnyi speaks about. thanks for the question, i really haven't had time to read the article yet, but from what i 've heard from you, well, there's nothing new for me, and experts know that we have an inefficient system, the management of the defense-industrial complex, you and i are about we are already saying this, well, i am talking about it, for example, 15 years ago, the first program

that was prepared normally with reformation and development. of the defense-industrial complex of ukraine was dated august 2008, it began to be implemented, if it had been implemented, then by 2013 we would actually not have a private sector in defense, it would remain only on such sensitive things, which cannot be transferred into private hands , for example, there is a system for protecting communications or removing information, and so on and so forth, special chemistry, etc., those things that should be left behind. unfortunately, the president changed and led the defense industry in a completely different direction. what the general says zaluzhnyi, well, he just can't stand it anymore and comments. experts have known this for a long time, let's say. regarding your specific questions

about law enforcement pressure. after the meeting of the latter with the president, the decree eh. the decision of the national security council, all the necessary commands were given and the arbitrariness , let's say, that was taking place, was suspended, but the term of this suspension, it is defined in the decree , it is even 3 months, yesterday and the day before yesterday there would have been a lot of meetings with representatives of the cabinet of ministers, the office the president of the nsdc, at different levels, different groups, experts. who decided what we should do in time in these three months so that, well, this, let's say, manual regime, when it ends, so that a more or less normal system of power is already in place. the first decisions were made yesterday, yesterday, you know that

a draft law was submitted to the parliament as an urgent matter from the president to resolve those issues regarding profit, er, what was forbidden. an enterprise of all forms of ownership to have a profit during the execution of defense orders, well, my opinion, as it was and it remains that there is no need for any laws, the law on defense procurement clearly states that the customer has the right of the state, if there is a justification, to revise the price, both upwards and downwards, and the executor of the defense order is itself has the right to submit pro'. regarding a justified increase or decrease , well, the situation has already reached such a dead end that they decided that it should be done again by law, well, that's good, apparently, yesterday there was a meeting with the first vice prime minister of ukraine, the minister of economy yulia sviridenka, it was also agreed that the government will look at the form of standard contracts with the ministry of defense, which do

not have these clauses, in addition, well... a lot of issues were discussed, and you also know that yesterday the government considered at its meeting three decisions that are simplifying the work related to the purchase of drones, regarding the fact that the import of component products for the mine is shown on your screen right now, and yesterday it was decided that the component solution can be imported by economic entities of all forms of ownership under a simplified procedure for all types of ammunition, this is a very positive decision, which... will reduce the time there by three to six, sometimes nine months, so certain movements have begun, but all these movements, if we do not in three months let's shift the paradigm, what do i mean shift the paradigm? we already have 200 projects on the 10th to adopt the law on the defense industry, we have three

projects in the verkhovna rada from the 13th year, 2013, 2017, 2000... froze there and are in the verkhovna rada. yesterday we discussed at the federation meeting employers of ukraine and came up with the initiative that it is necessary to raise all these projects, also take the translated text of the law of the united states of america on this matter, and make, well, without inventing a normal law, a bill and submit it for introduction. mr. vitaly, i am a bit of you. i understand a little bit that you are talking about important legislative things, but when we get down to the dirty ground, what is happening now with our defense industry, in particular private industry, is there an order. at our manufacturers, are they there three years old ordered, are there funds in the ministry of defense in order to pay, to pay for production , what is happening here, well, you raise

absolutely valid questions, i just started with legislative initiatives and go down, let’s say , as you say, to the ground, unfortunately, unfortunately, there are no three-year contracts, yesterday we also discussed everything that if they do not appear, and everything will... be done in manual mode, then nothing good will happen. unfortunately, whether to buy imported products or domestic products depends on the official, until now, on one. well, yesterday on the example of fire trucks, for example, it was considered that we have our own manufacturers, three companies have produced a sufficient number of fire trucks, but some official there says: "why don't i have domestic ones, i'll buy imported ones there." er, this shouldn't happen, it's... we should, at the legislative level, at the level of government decisions, prohibit officials from unilaterally canceling, by the way, it was contracted, but they changed the procurement plan and

they say that we don't need it, on unfortunately, unfortunately, the money for the preparation of the production of armed military equipment, which is included in the budget, are not allocated to private companies at all, from the word at all, it is very, very, very... why are they not allocated? well, because there are living people working in the ministry, and they say that as soon as we allocate money, something to private companies, law enforcement officers come to us, and we return to what we seem to have started with, they initiate criminal cases against us, against officials, although there is no there is no legal restriction on whether to allocate public or private funds, and the result is inefficient use of public funds. why is it ineffective? you know all these statistical figures, the head of ukroboronprom stated that in the 23rd year the growth occurred by 62%. he is telling the truth,

but this is growth in the state sector, which is subordinate to ukroboronprom. by the way, no one says that 90% of this 62% growth is due to the complicity of co-executors of private enterprises. at the same time. the minister says that we have 300% growth there, and he is telling the truth, why is he telling the truth, because all the other growth is the private sector, and at the same time, it is the ministry of funds only the public sector is allocated for the preparation of production, but in this i am not talking about efficiency, we have proposed, we have even prepared a draft resolution of the verkhovna rada to oblige the cabinet of ministers to proportionally allocate funds to the private sector. the second thing we proposed is that money should be allocated by example, for example, if not in the military industry, in the military industry, there is an impression that our country, well, is not at war now,

and everything is working in the agrarian and industrial complex, everyone knows what to do, how to do, in defense and industrial, as if we are in another country we live in. i remind you, well, for 15 years in the agrarian-industrial complex , the following happens: the government and the ministry of agrarian policy define priorities, well, for example, there are granaries, or refrigerators, or fruit storages, or there are gardens of some kind, and they allocate funds for development in this direction, how it is done, the private sector makes the facilities, after he has made them, put them into operation, the commission comes, checks what he has done, well, for example, a refrigerator or planted a garden there. apple, checked, checked it expenses, signed and compensated 70% from the state budget, it has been working for 15 years, it is

cool, we say why it works in the agricultural sector and cannot in the defense sector, and this will remove the responsibility from a specific official in the ministry, because he really he is afraid, because they come to him right away and say, oh, why did you give him money and not give him money, well, we have such a legal system, such a legal ... culture that our law enforcement agencies believe that if money was given to a private company, it is bad, but if state, then this is good, although it is not effective at all, well, then a situation arises that , relatively speaking, now, as i understand it, there are no orders from the private defense industry today, they fulfill at best the annual contracts of last year, and now this the procurement procedure is changing, but we can see that the emphasis will still be on the bottleneck through ukroboronpro. and everything will be concentrated there, no, i wouldn't say that, i repeat, i say that there are no three-year contracts, there are

short-term contracts in the private sector as well. sector and public sector, but you yourself understand that in order to make a decision to invest funds, you need to have some kind of business plan and technique, economic justification, and well, there are no such profits in the defense industry, it is not drug trade there, yes, what are you invested money today in serial preparation of serial production and paid it off in a year, payback terms, well, they don't invest in three years, they invest there in 5-7 years. but in our country today there is a system fully formed by the laws of ukraine, that you can sign three-year contracts, we ask let's move on, for example, to the weapons samples that have been put into service , i emphasize, not those that are just being developed, because there are some doubts, let's say, from the customers, about the quality and something else, well, for example, the btr-4, ukrainian armored personnel carrier, accepted

for service, ours. the general staff knows 20 years ahead how many armored personnel carriers it needs in four, why is there no three-year contract? and by the way, mr. general zaluzhnyi, i respect and love him, well, like our entire country, but i have a question for him, as for the head of the general staff, and where are the orders from you for 3 years on btr-4? is only for a year, and this is precisely the responsibility of the general staff of ukraine, not the ministry of defense. when we come to the officials of the ministry of defense, they say: guys, we have a computer, paper and a pen or pencil, everything else is what the general staff requires of us, well, then it 's more of a matter of going home for three years, we will be purchasing, this is more a matter of whispering than of a practical one from the point of view of how to plan all needs and purchases for a certain period of time, mr. sergey, look, here you know the names of all the generals there, i also know them a little, well, we will not

teach them with you, how to communicate with each other and which of them should do what, their tasks, so that the ministry of defense needs formed for three years, at least on the samples of weapons adopted for service, the same anti-tank missiles, the same missiles there neptune, the same, i can list ad infinitum, everything adopted for service, they have calculations for peacetime, for offense, for defense, whatever, they can provide those needs. unfortunately, or bresha the ministry of defense says that they do not have them, or the general staff does not give it. mr. vitaly, thank you for your explanations, it was expressive, dynamic, but we did not discuss everything, i think that in the next inclusions we will still be able to return to other important points related to the development of our defense industry. and i will remind our viewers that my interlocutor was vitaly nemylostivy, the head of the all-ukrainian union of employers of machine builders

of ukraine. so, what are the conclusions of the technological vision expressed by general zaluzhnyk, which involves the creation of new approaches due to a significant number of robotic platforms of various purposes, new approaches to their application in order to reduce the burden on personnel, which is currently lacking on the front line, but there are everyday needs from the point of view of the production of armored vehicles, ammunition, other things, some of which our domestic defense industry can do, but there are also certain... related to the lack of long-term orders that do not allow to ensure the purchase of equipment, scaling due to this the equipment of products, and this also creates challenges for our defense to be strengthened precisely at the expense of our own capabilities, i think that all these challenges should be taken into account by the ministry of defense, the general staff, and other bodies, so that our defense is stronger , and the potential of our defense industry developed rapidly.

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