understanding from our partners in the united states of america, we're really getting a very low chance of, information that there's a very low chance of passing this bill, which would include, including, here's this resolution that the senate worked out about the border, for its passage in the lower house of the american congress, and this is a crazy challenge, moreover, we see that, in parallel, the republicans are doing... a different move and are planning to consider a bill on the provision of exclusive assistance in the house of representatives to israel, and the biden administration says that the president will not sign this separate bill, you and i are now between the hammer and the anvil, we are in the framework of a completely internally oriented discussion inside. of the united states of america, which, unfortunately,

cuts awareness of the risks for every american citizen that non-support of ukraine and the potential advantage of the russian federation due to the non-supply of weapons by the united states to ukraine entails, and this is the risk that, unfortunately, can really have catastrophic consequences. purely for us, as a state, but also for the european continent and actually for the global world, in accordance with those potential new costs and including the insane human resource on the part of the united states, which today prefer not to notice, in particular, the radical republicans in the united states , well, america is meant, this is the right radical wing of the republicans, and we are calling for... that, so that, this

is the moderate part of the republican party, the democratic party, this center, which, representatives constantly emphasize who constantly emphasize their readiness to support ukraine, still resolved this issue, if it is possible, it is possible to remove, say, aid to israel from all these agreements, then in my opinion it is just as possible to remove it from all these agreements. i can consider the purely foreign policy aspect of ukraine separately, but you and i understand that, once again, everything depends on this frantic pursuit of the presidential campaign, which has already actively started in the united states of america, and actually the parliamentary campaign, because the lower house the us congress will be re-elected at the end of this year, and here many people

are looking at their chances to be nominated and win the primaries in their district from the republican party. unfortunately, all these things make a normal, constructive, far-sighted dialogue, which would concern aid to ukraine, impossible. but ms. ivanna, from the current course of events in the united states of america, should we talk about the fact that..."when trump comes to power, the attitude of the united states of the united states of america to ukraine may change or not be the same, whether trump is a pre-election candidate and trump is the president, these are basically two different people, because in principle we have seen trump's activities as the president of the united states of america, now he is talking about what for him it is not a problem to end the war in ukraine at all, of course this is a pre-election slogan.

that he is ready to convince putin, whom he knows very well, and to talk with zelensky, and that if he comes to power, this war will not happen, where is the real trump, in which story? well, you and i understand that no amount of trump's conversation, neither with putin, nor with the god-tsar, you know, will lead to the fact that this war will just start and end, and because for... it is necessary, it is necessary, for it to end on the terms of justice, for it to end on the terms of international law and on the terms of preserving the functioning and options of the country, the state of ukraine, therefore it is obvious that any election campaign, well , it carries with it a huge number of slogans and such statements that not always. is

part, part of politics after a one or another leader comes to power, but it seems to me that now we should... not so much predict what kind of president trump will be or not, but because you and i also do not understand how it will end, this is the secret of democracy, that unlike russia, we do not know the results of the elections that will be held at the end of this year on the 24th in the united states of america, it would seem to me that we now have to continue, first of all, to work with the public opinion of the united states. the united states of america, to which they actually listen american politicians, if we have any chance, minimal, to make our way to be heard in the united states of america by ordinary american citizens, that's the, well, that

's the trick, the effort that seems to me, would be important right now to do to all public figures, all politicians, all representatives, well, the parliament in ukraine. including government officials as well, but we see that , unfortunately, systematic work in this direction is not carried out, who will be the president or this or that president who will be elected at the end next year, at the end of this year and what it will be like next year, ah, we still have such hope that like the first time, for example, if it will be trump, then like the first time of his presidency, all- after all... institutions, precisely the balance of power , precisely the balance, well, of all these counterbalances, which, which, which the united states formulated for itself for many, well, actually for centuries, it gave

the united states the opportunity to remain a country, a democratic country, which takes leadership and is able to make decisions in the national interests of the state. therefore, we will rely on the institutions , we will rely on those people who represent them, and besides, we have no opportunity to relax and simply wait for the end of this election campaign, we must not just survive before it, until you see its end, and we must continue to return to the fact that we can win back our people from aggressive russia, from... the occupier country, the terrorist country. today , members of orbán's fidesz party did not come to the parliament session, where they were put on voting on the ratification of the agreement on sweden's accession to the north atlantic alliance,

but they didn't come and that's all, that is, they should have voted, and they postponed the whole issue until february 26. at the same time, szijjártó stated against that hungary. against the new sanctions of the european union against russia in the field of the energy sector, that is, simultaneously, orbán and szijjártó are taking steps that show that they are not friendly, neither to ukraine, nor to the european union, nor to nato, although it seemed on friday, when the decision was made, or on thursday, when it was made the decision to provide ukraine with eur 50 billion in aid. orbán's problem or hungary's problem , the european union has somehow decided how much hungary will stand in the way of ukraine in our european euro-atlantic aspirations? well, just

so that you and i understand what happened in the hungarian parliament, the hungarian opposition gathered the necessary number of votes in order to announce an extraordinary session of the parliament in order to pass. the decision on the ratification of sweden's membership in nato. and indeed fidesz did not come to this fidesz deputies did not come to this meeting. obviously , in order to show what they say, no opposition will tell us anything, and we ourselves will decide when, in what way and how we will make this decision. as for how hungary is going forward, whether it will pose a certain threat to us... or whether it will not pose a certain threat to us, obviously, unfortunately, it will put sticks in our wheels at every stage of our negotiation process with the european union, and the question hungary, or there, let's say, the question, well, that's it constant opposition

to the unity of the european union on the part of orbán was not finally resolved in some way there, let's say, you know, on february 1, so once again a formula was found, how to force orbán not to break the agreements of the entire european union and give an opportunity to make this decision in that. including about 50 billion euros of aid for ukraine, but he did not abandon his further intentions, he promised you and me that even before our entry into the european union, he still has the opportunity to block our progress up to a hundred times and will to use not even the least, well, at such the lowest technical level, he will try to a... create additional problems in order to increase his weight in

this way, and in this way to get additional attention or some additional benefits for himself, but i i think that the prime minister of poland, donald tusk, expressed himself very clearly on this matter, when he said clearly that europe itself is already tired of mr. orban, i think that any of his new exits will be exits. we ask you about this, are you satisfied by the work of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, therefore, the results of the television poll 94% yes, 6% no, on youtube, 96%, yes, 4%, no, vote and continue. vasyl zima's big broadcast

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zelenskyi's team pushes generals. not only the military leadership, the president announced the replacement of a number of high-ranking officials, who will be rotated? we work on several platforms at once, in on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching now. we are there, please like this video, do not be stingy, because this video will be promoted in the trends of youtube and facebook, and take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether you are satisfied with the work of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone and vote if you are satisfied with the work of the hard worker, 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 call, all calls to these numbers are

free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's studio, they are the best political experts of ukraine. vitaly kulyk, director of the center for researching civil society problems. mr. vitaly, i congratulate you. i congratulate you. ihor reiterovych, head of the political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social affairs. of development, mr. igor, good evening, good evening, thank you for being with us today, and sergey taran, political scientist, mr. sergey, i welcome you, thank you, that you joined our broadcast. congratulations, mr. serhiy. well, since we are asking our viewers and tv viewers whether they are satisfied with the work of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, i will also ask you what you think about the work of the head of the army, but remember that we will have a separate conversation about this, and let's ... have a blitz poll so that everyone has time to speak very briefly about zaluzhnyi's work. mr.

vitaly, please. i don't have a clear answer. let's say, if in the 22nd year i was absolutely happy that lenk was the hardworking one, then in the 23rd year i accumulated there are a lot of questions, but not about him and his strategic decisions, but about the organization of defense and the armed forces of ukraine in general. that is, how do they function, what are the relationships? things are happening, how the assignment is progressing, how, what is happening in the general staff, what is happening at the level of individual commanders, this has accumulated for me, accumulated, i have not received an answer, that is why i do not have any answers. thank you, mr. vitaly, mr. igor, taking into account all available resources, circumstances and opportunities, my answer is certainly so satisfied. thank you, mr. serhiy, well, i think the answer is obvious, the ukrainian armed forces are demonstrating real miracles of courage, and of course, the person who heads the armed forces

is directly on the spot, he cannot but deserve trust, and by the way, various sociological surveys , and we now see that it is the zsu that has the most trust in society, and zaluzhny has a sufficiently serious trust that can be transformed into a political rating, and actually a lot of problems of a different order are connected with this, but of course, trust in not only i have this person the whole society. meanwhile , in an interview with the italian tv company ray-1, president zelensky confirmed that he is considering replacing the commander-in-chief. diligent, but also plans to rotate a number of the country's leaders. already today , information appeared in the ukrainian press that the supreme commander wants to change the head of the general staff, chief of the general staff serhiy shaptala, and it is not known for sure when this rotation will take place, but in the evening

it became known that the minister in affairs of ukraine yulia laputina, a major general of the sbu, a person who worked for a very long time in the security service of ukraine, she wrote a resignation letter, although she was appointed in december 2019, that is , she had been in this position for more than three years, president zelenskyi in commented on this dismissal in the evening address. let's listen to what zelensky said. this morning we discussed with prime minister denys. strengthening the hero policy, the veteran policy, steps that will address existing challenges in this area and add confidence to our people, reset steps, and not only in this direction, with all due respect to the minister, this is a matter exclusively for management. ukraine needs strength, fresh

energy and sufficient leadership in every sphere. we must win. vinny and do the maximum this year, that is, even more than possible. mr. igor, when zelenskyi talks about a complete reset, for some reason i think of these five or six managers who run the state, because actually, who else is running the state, when it comes to restarting the state leadership, then i only perceive it that way, well, the military leadership, of course, it obeys the supreme. commander-in-chief, this is his constitutional right, the legal right to change them there and carry out a certain rotation, personnel reset, what can it be, in your opinion? well, i think that this whole story, it is still tied to one surname, this surname is zaluzhny, and it gives the impression that these changes and a separate statement of the president tonight, that we need

effective managers in every field , new vision, new approaches, new trends, i don't know, fresh blood, it can be called in different ways there, the pro-government telegram channels called it a new course, a new wave, i saw such messages today that they very actively pushed in the morning, in fact, it seems that simply in order to somehow arrange a possible personnel rotation, which is specifically related to the hard-working and perhaps even the chief of the general staff, they decided to add to the list, i don't know, ministers there, maybe some other civil servants who are there today. in the country and present it as some kind of global such change, global rotation, which is not tied exclusively to the person of the commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, well, at least i have, well, there is such a perception of all these processes, because when we look at the statement of the president, by the way, it is not a domestic media he

was more, let's say, you know, frank than directly communicating with the citizens of ukraine tonight. well , everything boils down to the fact that the president himself does not yet see to what extent this rotation should take place, who in principle can fall under it and on what principles it should be based, so it looks like they just took certain names to whom there were questions and decided to remove them all at once, well, it is possible at certain stages that we understand that the resignation of ministers should the verkhovna rada will consider, including that the cabinet of ministers will consider... it may be easier, but all this can be arranged in one day, i have no other explanations for today, because if we take, for example, a person, a leader , well the soon-to-be former one, as i understand it... the ministry of veterans, many people today probably learned with surprise that we even have a specialized ministry that should deal with our heroes, and it does not perform

these functions at all, and it did not happen today , questions about it have accumulated since the first day of its existence, but for some reason only now we see this statement and we see this staff rotation, well, i don't think that it will specifically affect the office of the president there, maybe there are plans for some kind of reshuffle there, but not more will mostly suffer office. ministers and directly the military leadership of the country, because , of course, not everything comes down exclusively to meritocracy , if there are already some rotations to be made there, most likely the president will make them according to the full program, that is, change from the bottom to the top, bring new people there, and submit it as the maximum update, which is not personal, but is really such a comprehensive approach to those issues, or problems, that exist today in the country. mr. vitaliy, why can’t president zelensky openly say what he wants... he wants, well, for example, i want the resignation of valery zaluzhny, he could say that, or i want a change of the entire block of army officers who

lead the armed forces of ukraine, that is, the chief of the general staff, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, well, probably the commanders of certain branches of the military there, why , why was it arranged like this... a long show where first someone throws information into the information space, then refutes it, then someone confirms it, then the western media write about it, everyone refers to the western media, then it turns out that in the washingtonians knew about these intentions, that the president wants to rotate the commander-in-chief, why, why aren't there some simple and clear po...

the president would prefer to transfer this responsibility to a collective decision, stakes, security councils, but even there among the si... he does not receive unequivocal support, people are not ready to sign up to such decisions, we have heard these rumors that signatures are needed, and that an appeal from the military command is allegedly being prepared about the need to replace the rotation, but even that did not happen, that is, there is no unambiguous collective, collective form of replacement of the head of the military leadership, therefore the president is following the path of such an increase in the framework. talks about the need for a large rotation, this is where this idea of ​​a new personnel course appears , but in reality, well, who can be

dismissed now, who can be replaced, talks about the prime minister, but then we have to say that the quality of the cabinet of ministers must change, that it should be an actor who makes collective decisions, that it is to manage the then cabinet of ministers in manual mode, as now what is happening with the government is impossible, we are already... talking about the dak, mr. shmagal has been our prime minister for almost four years, but if you give people two photo cards of shmygal and charles michel, it is not a fact that they will recognize our prime minister minister, that is, there is a government, but it is a banking government, zelenskyi’s government, which is managed in a manual mode, and the ministers who are appointed to these responsibilities are also banking, and now, when they are talking about a new course, about a big rotation, well, that’s how it really looks enough. since it is really about zaluzhny only about him, everyone else are pulled by a trailer, although i want to note that the need for replacement in the cabinet of ministers in

many positions, including the minister of veterans, has been talked about for a long time, during the last quarter these names appear in the public sphere, as part of criticism from civil society to individual ministers. regarding their activities, that they are not coping, about active politics, there is no systemic one, or there is a systemic crisis in these bodies, this concerns the ministry of internal affairs, since there i i believe that the frank collapse of the system occurs after the death of the monastic, and now it is already taking on some catastrophic proportions, and it is possible that now is the time to come up with the idea of ​​appointing a new minister to head the ministry of internal affairs, but zelenskyi's reserve bench is so large. that is, it can be a transfer from one security guard, from one place to another, and not the arrival of some other team, so the new course is feminism, but it does not have any

real meaning. it's more of a form, here's a hard worker, plus someone else, let's add more to the list for dismissal, in fact, the quality will not change, not in the management of the armed forces, not in the management of the cabinet of ministers or in the authorities, and in addition to the fact that they can wipe out a whole list of governors of heads of military-civilian administrations and regional state administrations, this yes, it is most likely also a trailer, because there are questions for individual heads of regions, there are... questions for frontline regions, where there are no delays in many social projects, lack of provision, not inadequate behavior, inadequate communication, that is , such a package can be issued, but with regard to the prime minister, i think that the one-bankers are still thinking, because the appointment of a new prime minister is also subject to certain political obligations, well, it is risky for the banking step, thank you... mr. serhiy, all

power is now, in principle, concentrated in the hands of five or six managers, and volodymyr zelenskyi says this directly. it is clear that in the history of the veteran, it is more complicated here, just the procedure and dismissal and in general the reaction to this dismissal can be in the army and in society. in the variations of changing the prime minister or ministers, i think it will be easier, because i have been engaged in political journalism for 30 years, but i don't even know all the ministers by their first and last names, but honestly, i think that you probably won't say either , who is currently the minister of ecology in ukraine, or the minister of social policy , because these people are so invisible, it is not clear what they do, they do not report to citizens publicly, they do not report to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, that is, this

concentration of power that exists.. . is now with zelenskyi, she can allow him to replace the lieutenant general and the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, regarding other rotations that may take place in ukraine, as far as they can change the situation, worsen, improve the history of these five or six managers of zelensky, and maybe he and these five or six or six will the managers be fired? well , the question is here at all. not in the manager and not even in the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of this or that manager, the only question is that now the scumbag has a high rating, which can be transformed into political influence, well, it is the main problem, well, what are we going to come up with here, and this is confirmed by the fact that now, and not now, for the last year or so , there have been various sociological polls, which are carried out on the order of various structures, and they are carried out by different companies, and

they. .. show the model of the elections in the event that they take place, and here is the result that zaluzhnyi has a high rating, his party, which does not yet exist, can occupy a more prominent position than the current party of zelensky, this is the whole problem, and therefore any government, it tries to several went forward to see what would happen in the country, if, for example, somehow they will hold... elections will be held, they see that there is a person who poses a threat to the political monopoly of power, and they are trying to remove this person from office, and here the history of ukrainian voters is also very interesting , if you ask me what zaluzhny's position is, for example, on economic issues, on social policy issues, on international policy issues, i cannot answer you, and no one can, because well industrious

will be in his position... there was no opportunity to talk about it, because it is not his appointment in the position to talk about such things, and but, but people gave him and still give him high trust, because they associate some kind of change with them, well, the irony is, you know, that at one time zelensky was elected, also giving him some ideas that he can do something positive, and now the ukrainian voter is giving the hard-working man such qualities, we don’t know what they are... qualities from words at all, because he is not a politician, but if he is suddenly fired, that's it then he will have the opportunity to talk about his views on the economy, and on social issues, and on international politics, well, of course, if the liberator at all, for example, he will not be in the army, which i doubt, to be honest , that he is will be, but maybe he will have much more.