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calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and we have our first guest on the phone - yaroslav yurchyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on freedom of speech. mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our program today. good evening. so, today the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted in the first reading the government draft law on strengthening of mobilization 10,449 and the day before the anti-corruption committee of the verkhovna rada recognized the updated draft law on mobilization as containing corruption risks, there were comments on this draft law both in the specialized committee and in the human rights commissioner regarding the constitutionality of some provisions of this draft law, you are in favor of this draft law i understand, didn't vote or did you vote?

voted, three of the votes voted, all others did not vote, explain the logic of those who did not vote and those who voted, those who did not voted, had every opportunity to speak about the imperfection of the draft law, about the fact that certain of its norms, which were mentioned by mr. lubinets, do not correspond to the constitution, because they narrow the constitutional ones. rights and in accordance with our constitution, but i want to emphasize the peacetime constitution, if a certain age of mobilization is written in the laws at the moment, then reading the constitution directly to lower this bill is debatable from the point of view of the constitution, since it limits rights, from this position the argument, why actually ... this

norm exists, this position of the ombudsman is debatable, well, firstly, the constitution directly determines that during the state of war in which the country is now, certain rights may be limited, and secondly, the ukrainian constitution will be effective only in those territories that will remain under the constitution, under the jurisdiction of ukraine, in crimea , donetsk, luhansk, unfortunately, the constitution is not valid now, and mobilization is taking place there. is in full swing, but unfortunately for those who will fight with us, actually, what would my colleagues who voted against, adequate work of the government, adequate work of the general staff, given the draft law should have been appointed and presented by the minister of defense, he was present, but the chief commissar was not present, and this is quite logical, because if there are... no longer

rumors, but actually facts that the chief commissar will be changed, well, i apologize , but what is the role assigned to him in this process in principle , he is just an ofirnosapa, it is logical that he was not there, in fact, i am quite positive that this draft law will gain a sufficient number of votes in the second reading, i predict that there will be a lot of amendments, my logi'... voting for is connected with only one thing, and now the mobilization is severely slipping, we saw the events in kosmocha, and we now we, we will now watch these events, because this is very important, let's see and then you will comment on that , what happened in kosmocha, this is a story that took place in kosmocha, a woman was driving with a child, and the women of potential mobilized people crossed the road, because they believed that

she was, as it were, a gunner from the tsk, that is, the military commissars. they stopped her and started talking about what she should be responsible for the fact that she came there to hand over their husbands, some kind of potency, some kind of sound is going on in parallel, turn it off, please, please, well, that's the story, this woman was almost beaten, or she had a stroke there , they beat a little girl , my daughter , who was there, that is, this evasion riot, it took place in outer space, far from... from the border with russia and from the front, but this is the obvious thing that can happen after the adoption of this bill as well or not? serhiy, this happened before the adoption of this draft law, so i am not connecting with the draft law that was adopted in

the verkhovna rada, i am talking about the fact that what kind of reaction can the law cause already in the form of a law? let us be as sincere as possible and... no, that is, regardless of the fact that i represent the political class of our country there, i would like to say that we have run out of volunteers and volunteers, all the people who had the good will to go and defend the country have already there, some died, some were wounded, they are forced not to serve now, although most likely they would immediately return to the front if possible, now in the country in for the vast majority, only very minor... cases remained, those people who need to be additionally motivated, what could, how could the authorities do it, and special companies, such as, for example, the mobilization company for the third assault brigade, which has now

virtually filled the entire media space , where it is shown that service in the army is both status and respect, and in principle ... to write yourself into history, these are additional training courses so that people who are afraid, but assume that they are ready to fight, go prepared and understand , when, how, in what condition they are will get into the armed forces, that in fact they will be able to defend themselves, they have enough weapons, they have enough training, the third, which is extremely important, is clear terms of demobilization. this is what the government bill is most criticized for, it is about the fact that demobilization is prescribed for 36 months, and in principle those who went to serve in the 22nd year in february can already count that there is not much left, well, although of course, it will always

be a lot, but there is such an additional, additional circumstance that the final decision is made rate. and this is already a problem, because the rate can accept, it can not accept, there are no categories that, relatively speaking, if it is not accepted at 36, then at the most at 42, demobilization automatically occurs, and a person can completely, after agreeing with the leadership of the military unit, leave fighting positions, because people really have to recover, but why is it extremely important that there is a new law on mobilization. firstly, we have been talking about him for a quarter of a year, despite the fact that mr. zaluzhnyi has repeatedly said directly that he needs additional forces, he did not call them that number, at least at open meetings, but he very clearly said that

if we want, we are not even talking about de-occupation by 1991, but about keeping the borders and giving the opportunity for quality. mountain position, when and if the peace plan offered by ukraine is still on the agenda, and putin is forced by the world to sit down at the negotiating table, so that we have advantageous positions, for this we need, we need equipment, we need weapons, but unfortunately, we need human asset, therefore new mobilization rules are necessary, and accordingly now give more material for russian. propaganda that the verkhovna rada once again condemned mobilization, well, maybe someone is ready to take on such responsibility, i am ready to take on such responsibility, that if this draft law, about which there are a lot of questions, is not improved before the second reading, then it will not will receive the required number of votes, mr.

yaroslav, but why is the leader of this process not the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine? well, mr. sergey, this is one of the biggest questions for me. even me more i will say that when there was a discussion about the fact that people have a constitutional right. not to serve, but there to deal with the economic front and the like, now it is expedient, well , i’m not quoting verbatim, but some such things slipped through, you know, well, for those who are actually called dodgers, it was such a huge sign of type, so we we can, we have the right to fight for our rights, and the only thing is that the vast majority is a very good analogy, of course, any historical analogy ... you know, will limp, but it is, and once the peasants of cold yar, who actually did not

go to fight with the rebels of cold yar, and at times surrendered the rebels of cold yar to the soviets, the soviet troops, were then forced to eat their children. i would very much like that in the space, in other cities, where there is currently a discussion about constitutionality, restriction of rights and the like in the... process of mobilization , we would not have to mobilize as many had to mobilize in february 22, when katsaps stood under their cities, then it was possible it is easy to mobilize within two months, and from an army of two hundred thousand to turn into an army of one million, but why? because the threat was not from the missiles, but the threat was from the fact that your house is literally in... i would not want us to have, and then there will be no discussion about

the constitutionality of this process, then again there will be cars, folding sides and machines for simply showing a ukrainian passport. if we want it, we can continue to discuss whether mobilization is necessary or not, if we want it, we can discuss the subject for a long time whether it is possible to amend anti-corruption or anti-constitution laws between the first and second readings. corruption or anti-constitutional things, by the way, almost the entire composition of the anti-corruption committee , led by the chairman, voted in favor, clearly stating that we have comments, so we will submit amendments so that this law does not contain corruption norms until the second reading, and we will also mention this rule on demobilization, because the author of the alternative bill on mobilization, a member of the european solidarity faction oleksiy goncharenko criticized government law. the project is precisely because of the unresolved issue of demobilization, let's listen, it has become even worse than

the last bill, because the key norm is the norm on the term of service, finally define it, i have been fighting for it for almost a year, and during this year i heard no, no , no, no, no, no, you can never, then they said, well, 36 months, and now they have added 36 months, but with... dismissal based on a separate decision on the rate, which you can wait for years, as those unfortunate conscripts are already waiting , who are also being deceived in this bill, it is a bill of lies, you can't vote for a lie, mr. yaroslav , according to yaroslav zheleznyak's preliminary calculations, this law will enter into force if everything goes as planned in the month of april, so what will change in the army, in the state, and what will happen to for all of us

who fall under the law on mobilization, i do not have the same confidence as my colleague, who did not vote for this bill, that it will be possible to gather votes without changing what oleksiy goncharenko said there, that there were clear deadlines, without changing the fact , in order to properly regulate corruption risks. or unconstitutionality where it is really clearly regulated, so it is optimistic that it is april, but in fact, according to the way the law was prepared, it is actually the third example of it, how weakly the authorities heard the proposals that are realistic enough, in particular about the terms of demobilization, the demobilization procedure, and i predict that there will be a lot of amendments, that it will be

extremely difficult to go to the second reading at the end of february, and again we remember that this bill is very important to be presented by someone who actually has respect in society, i would very much like for mr. zaluzhnyi to remain the head of the general staff, i.e. the commander-in-chief, and to be able to come out and make a presentation so that all these tricky, incomprehensible things would be removed. but something tells me that it won't happen, and that's why i don't predict that anything will change critically in april, as of now, the acceptance in the first reading has not changed categorically. nothing, the only thing is that they removed the possibility for russian propaganda to manipulate the fact that the verkhovna rada failed to pass a law on mobilization for the third time, well, it’s not the language it's about the fact that we don't have mobilization at all, it's mobilization, there's just no draft law, it seems to me that this is the eighth or ninth time it's been extended for two years, well, the terms of mobilization, so in

principle there's nothing to speculate here, so that the mobilization in ukraine... is going like this, and you know very well that russian propaganda, as before, soviet or tsarist, in principle does not need something to manipulate, and we call it black and white and the like, but there is a fact - a fact, that is, if the verkhovna rada pro fails the law on mobilization in the general information space, what does this mean? that's right, mobilization has failed, ukrainians cannot, do not want, have no desire to go to defend their country, and this completely closes the... thesis that previously tens of thousands were mobilized a month, now thousands of people are mobilizing, and many of them voluntarily , that is, it really is a rather long process, i really hope that now this period of hopelessness will be countered, and this period will not be spent again on pushing a solution, because here is the world

moves, and constructive work will be established and amendments will be taken into account, because i emphasize once again... that there will be many, many rights , and even if it is possible to get to some reading in the committee, which is very creaky, despite the majority of representatives of the majority in the committee on national security adopted this bill, it is far from unanimous, so, for the second reading, i am not sure that it will be possible to gather votes, if all the questions that are reasonably raised are not settled, will there be a need for further work around this a bunch of pop populi'. unfortunately, politics has returned, and now very often you can't see the trees for the forest, as well as the fact that the mobilization that has been carried out in our country until now is carried out by the mechanisms of civilian time, since the moment of the full-scale invasion, the mechanisms of mobilization in our country have not have not changed once, we accept

the continuation of mobilization, but we use the mechanisms that were in place before full-scale. volunteers, volunteers, already at the front, honor and praise to them. in the rear remained mainly those people who either they hesitate, or they will put kosovar women out of the fence, and not go to mobilize. can peacetime mobilization provide, at least, a reserve to replenish what the ukrainian army is losing, it is necessary to have a reserve in order to be able to win back ours. territories, well, this is a big question. zaluzhny spoke very clearly at the conciliatory meetings, now this procedure does not work, a new procedure is needed. did he talk about the procedure described in the law? no, because it is not his role to describe the procedure, it is the government's role and politicians. is he satisfied with this procedure? i think we will hear in the near future when he will be able to talk about it, but

what he collected without changing the quality of this law. voting for him will be much more difficult, and there will hardly be three approaches to this, i can guarantee you. thank you, mr. yaroslav, another question about bigusinfo and about the report of the kid on this issue, about monitoring the team, the journalistic team of bigusinfo, will this report, well, a carpet, relatively speaking, for the kid in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, how do you see this the situation now? in fact, it was supposed to be today, because according to the regulations, it is called for the next meeting, but there is a certain and , let's say, trick, because in principle we are sitting in the format of one meeting, that's why, but purely technologically, if there the majority wants to listen to the head sbu

, for which they voted, in principle, they can say, well, we have the next... meeting of the next session, they have such, by the way, technological things were already there, but today we are from the faction, because it was our initiative to invite mr. malyuk, and they turned to the chairman of the verkhovna rada with a question, so when, the answer was that the resolution was sent to the security service of ukraine, they were warned that when the conciliation council, factions and committees are determined , there will be a hearing accordingly, i really hope that in the 20s dates, when logically we should have the following meetings, we will hear mr. malyuk, and the answer to the key question, and... so who ordered bigusench? who do you think should resign in this situation? here, in principle, an analysis is needed

situations with more data than we have. mr. malyuk says that the resignation of semenchenko, the head of the department who actually carried out surveillance, whose employees carried out surveillance. already released , well, the big question is how he was released, and, that is , whether criminal proceedings have been opened for living there by an official informer, since, as the sbu says, this surveillance was illegal, and whether it is, as is very popular in our country, a personal statement, that is without a report, without any explanation as to why it happened, so here the first question is actually to mr. malyuk, but no one does not question the importance of the security service of ukraine, the heroism of the employees of the alpha unit or those who carry out

assassinations on the territory of the aggressor country, whether they are working behind the scenes to minimize the influence of the so-called moscow patriarchy, but whether mr. malyuk himself knew, or whether it was done on weekends here he should be most interested in cutting off such incomprehensible influences , or, as many of your journalist colleagues are now saying, especially journalists, investigators, and this could not happen without, let's say, coordination with the curator of the law enforcement structure in the president's office, the infamous oleg tatarov, who is still known from the days of the maidan. who spoke on behalf of the ministry of internal affairs about the fact that the people of maidan had shot themselves there, that's why there are more questions than answers, in fact, why the parliament had to

show its subjectivity and invite the head of the sbu to submit a report. but this story from bigusinfo, in fact, it reminded me of another story about a possible wiretapping of the office, attempts of a possible wiretapping of the office where the employee was supposed to work. it was, if i'm not mistaken, in december, when the creeps came out of this office, and they publicly announced that someone wanted to eavesdrop on someone there, that is , there are a lot of questions, and if, for example, the same kid, the head of the security service of ukraine i didn't know what they do in the press supervision department or what it's called, well, it's the former fifth department of the kgb, the ussr, which always dealt with security. yes, the security guard, if he did not know this, then this is also a question for the head of the sbu, if he, if he does not know that is happening in his department, which means that he is also in principle responsible for it, that is

, no one is underestimating the role of the sbu in the current war and the employees of the security service of ukraine, they have proven themselves as fighters at the front and outside the front behind enemy lines, but in this the situation, the editorial office of the project... bigusinfo simply took and undressed all these this security department, that is, how, how did it happen, do we really have such weak personnel in the security service of ukraine that the journalistic team was simply there for a week or two, they simply took and prepared them, well, once or twice. well, there is an explanation in which you want to believe, and there is an explanation that is most likely realists. i want to believe that the best personnel of the security service are now fighting against russia and its agents, and that is why in this department,

the protection of national statehood from journalists, investigators, the worst of the worst were engaged in, in reality , it seems to me that the very formulation of the tasks of this ... of the department, i.e. trying to find enemies of the government, predicted that there would be people in it, well, who did not show themselves very effectively in other directions, those who are ready to take on any case, but the key question for us, mr. sergiu, is exactly what you said, whether it was self-indulgence, and then mr. malyuk and the sbi, which is currently investigating this case. must show why such self-activity is possible in the structure of the security service of ukraine and must definitely bear managerial responsibility, or at least the deputy

who oversaw this department. or the situation will be even worse if the security service continues to try to find some fantastic explanation, ala that they were watching there behind some big drug cartel and the like, although in fact this is the jurisdiction of the national police and clearly not the security services of ukraine, but by chance they actually got into... on journalists, well, let's understand that, unfortunately, since the murder of heorhiy gongadze, not much has happened changed in law enforcement structures, because let me remind you, the first version after the discovery of george's body was that he was killed by drug addicts, because they did not share, they were looking for the dose that supposedly should have been in george, also hinting at the fact that all journalists are fathers , they are drug addicts there,

they should not be trusted. understanding the trust in george, there were many versions, and they are not among these versions, thank you, mr. yaroslav, for the conversation, it was yaroslav yurchyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the parliamentary committee on freedom of speech, friends, we we work live on the tv channel and also on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are watching us there now, please do not forget to like it, it promotes our video in the trends of youtube and facebook, and of course, participate in our vote today we ask you this , do you support zelensky's idea of ​​a reset of power, yes, no, if you watch us on youtube, everything is quite simple, either yes or no, and accordingly, write a comment if you have a different opinion, if you watch us on tv, if you understand what we are talking about, which reboot of zelenskyi's power, 0800 211 381, no 0.800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, our

contact details are: my colleague tetyana nikolaenko, journalist, member of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense of ukraine. tatyana, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. you know, we are with yaroslav yurchysh, i don't know if you heard what we talked about, about bigus-info, and this, well, this whole story, i think that you definitely understand all the nuances of work and bigus - information and how investigative journalists work, i er... until now i can't understand whether this department for the supervision of national statehood is so weak in our country, or whether we have such strong journalists that they took it so easily and laid out on the shelves these employees of the sbu, how do you look at this case and is it not clear to you who is the customer of this big case in which three dozen people were involved, maybe

even... more, those are the three dozen who got into bigus's film, i think that probably a dozen more who are sitting on the bank street, and yes, well, in fact, probably the most important thing in this story is who, in fact, is its customer, because we remember that ah, this story first spilled out into some telegram mess, incomprehensible the narodna pravda site seems to be something like that, and from here it already looked like that a certain order against journalists , investigators, it was quite organic, it also fit into the information policy that unfolded around journalists, when the same anonymous telegram channels again began to sort through the things of sivgil musaeva, for some reason, to attack other journalists there, this happened alongside pasting yuri nikolov's door, that he evaded, that is, it was

such a... part of the companies to discredit journalists and the fact that the bigus worked so well and just ungodly destroyed the relevant department of the security service of ukraine, it's just an honor and we praise, the best detective could have been awarded an oscar this year , an oscar would have been awarded, but unfortunately, the situation is very deplorable in that we are returning to some kind of 2002 and dungeons, or 2013. .. the era of ukrainian crime, if anyone still remembers, yes, when they again tried to intimidate and discredit journalists in every possible way, and the fact that this is happening in the second year of a full-scale invasion, when instead of really catching saboteurs, protecting the state , to investigate crimes corrupt officials, but to check how everything is arranged there, and the men spent their time

to keep an eye on it. according to journalists who, well