our front lines, what is your forecast, what are your estimates? well, probably, it is hardly necessary to make any catastrophic predictions, although the situation is really difficult, and what is more, the problems in this situation are added by inadequate actions on the part of the highest political leadership, because the most that the enemy seeks in the classics of military art is where... to organize the enemy from the inside and, above all , his armed forces, and when during a critical period of the defense of ukraine, the replacement of the high command with the armed forces is carried out, this is a step to disorganize the defense of ukraine, practically, and accordingly, with all the ensuing consequences. and our partners are also

looking at this, and of course, so to speak, the enemy, the aggressor will throw information here that special narratives, messages about whether it is worth helping those who, if they are not ready to help themselves, on the contrary, create chaos himself from the inside. another thing is that this chaos is a consequence of the work of the enemy. agencies and agencies, agencies of influence, even before the beginning of the russian invasion, the political leadership of ukraine was informed very ambiguously information that it is necessary to clear the highest echelon of state administration from agents, and immediately after the start of a large-scale invasion , they talked about it and constantly talked about it, do we see progress, do we not see it, and therefore with...

really if for our partners and in the question in the united states and in europe is how do we continue to help, i don't think the question is going to be cut off aid because first of all, of course, it's going to hit us first, but it's also going to hit western, western politicians. it will not be like that, as they say, this is a separate defeat of ukraine, it already sounds quite clear about it, that in essence, then it would mean a scenario, such a dark scenario for the entire event, and on the contrary, it is an encouragement of all forces, ah, with of the so-called axis of evil or the coalition of evil, to continue to act exactly in the way that russia has shown, well, we see in the middle east how the iranian proxies of which... which

he created for a long time in various subregions of the middle east, namely here in this case it is about how fast will rethink the approaches in washington, in brussels, and here it must be said that in europe this rethinking is moving, in my opinion, much faster, well, because there is probably an awareness that the war in ukraine is, in fact, a war in europe, not somewhere there on the doorstep. as brussels officials sometimes say, and this is a war in europe itself, so i think the coming weeks will be telling in that context, and yet i think there is reason for cautious optimism when we talk about, well, the most telling actions, you do you expect, in particular, progress in certain directions, in particular, the unblocking of aid to ukraine there, or is it possible... the writing of new

agreements on security guarantees for ukraine there by germany or france , are you talking about these components of strengthening ukrainian european security? first of all , i mean that it is important to solve the financial issue, and here it seems to me that the promotion can be more serious precisely from the point of view of transferring the frozen to ukraine. because how will the situation in the congress go in the future with the aid package for ukraine, well there if i still don't see any reason for such rapid progress, but from the point of view of what to transfer to ukraine, at least a part of the frozen russian assets, this is an important moment, which nevertheless has chances, greater chances for... a decision, and in this context,

of course, it is important not only to have money, but also to have weapons and ammunition. and here, without any doubt, if, to a large extent, a bet is made on the help of our european partners, and within the framework of what is known today, if, serious efforts are being made by some countries, members of the eu and european members of nato, in order to help ukraine as much as possible. look, for example, pay attention to the fact that finland, ah, recently there was ... it was reported that they will be able to increase the production of projectiles fivefold, so this in principle is very tellingly gives grounds, so to speak, for optimism , that after all , the european defense industry will begin to act more dynamically,

and since what has been holding back until now, this defense force, which in principle would be ready to implement larger-scale programs issue will be armed. and techniques, this is, so to speak , the uncertainty that was on the part of the politicians, more precisely, such a mantra that this is a regional conflict somewhere in the east, a little further from europe, and therefore, they say, it may end soon, respectively, if you invest in some new technological lines, new capacities, then no one will need them, and actually... speaking, then you will go bankrupt, this is what restrained the european defense industry, although it was ready, as it were, to build up, and now it seems to me that somewhere the rubicon has already been crossed, when uh, to do

or not to do, the question is no longer, to do, but the question is how to speed it up quickly, because the way the european bureaucracy works... that it is calculated, that well there within 5-10 years we will, so to speak, be able to deploy new programs, implement new types there, improve the existing ones, implement new types of military equipment, and there is no such time for 10 or 5 years, so if in this case, of course , that ours, our approach and strategy, it is important that the state is coordinated politics, and... now it turns out that both the ministry of defense and the command of the armed forces are uncoordinated, as a result of the organizational changes that have taken place, and accordingly, our, our if, needs, they are

not clearly articulated, yes, it is known that we asked and strike aircraft, and more rocket systems of salvo fire, there and so on and the like, but... so to speak, these should be continuous efforts, and not those efforts when some people came for a long time, held negotiations with others, now other people appear and it all starts with zero, and thus then we are put at the end of some queue, while we need to be at the front of that queue in view of the urgency of providing the forces and means that we need right now on the battlefield. mr. mykhailo, taking into account all these risks, challenges that you mentioned, which are sometimes and to a large extent generated by our own actions from the point of view of optimizing the defense system, what is your, well, internal forecast for the situation during

the year both on the front line and in relations with our partners, what to expect, what to be afraid, well... here it is unlikely that anyone will be able to make any prediction, because, so to speak, this is an equation where there are more unknowns than known quantities, and we perfectly understand that the 24th year, this is the year of her elections for almost half the world, and even more so in our key partners, partner countries, the united states, and in the european union, elections, elections to the european parliament, that is, the configuration may change. and it may not change fundamentally, but one way or another, this factor of turbulence will take place, and we already feel it, so the main thing here is to keep the line of defense, and what concerns, so

to speak, actions outside the front line, this is what concerns the building up of diplomatic efforts. in order to get what we need for the front, and asymmetric actions to defeat the enemy in his strategic depth, that is, the war must be... be transferred to his territory, and it seems to me that this is the way to act, and then the prognosis will be positive, and we cannot allow the fact that they say everything is lost, they will not give us money, they will not give us weapons, and of course there are those who incline us to capitulation model of behavior, and they promise a ceasefire, there is the first step, they say , there and then somehow it will be there, how will it continue, we already went through it in the 14th and 15th years,

10 years ago, when the russian aggression , so it is, so to speak, stepping on the same rake, if someone has the illusion that it will somehow be possible to come to an agreement, of course, there are such politicians in the west, ah, but nevertheless , in europe in particular, it still seems to me that that... there is a feeling that is not yet fully realized, but already clearly present, that this war is a war in europe, and it is very important for our diplomacy to convey this to the european political community, so we have to do our part, as they say, there is nothing new here, to resist and beat the enemy, including at his territory mr. mykhailo, thank you very much for these professional comments, for... the time you found for our viewers, i will remind our viewers that it was mykhailo gonchar,

the president of the center for global studies strategy 201. and then we will talk about how information and its interpretation from the truth to lies, has relevance to the events in the trenches and to the use of conventional weapons, but more on that after the commercial block. vasyl zima's big broadcast, two hours of air time, two hours of yours. of time, two hours to learn about the war and what the world is like, two hours to keep abreast of economic and sports news, two hours in the company of favorite presenters, presenters who have become like-minded to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, events of the day for two hours, a big broadcast of vasyl zima, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening for espresso. we continue our program, then about the confrontation with... the circle in the realm of the battle for meanings and for the truth is precisely about

the information front, which is relevant to the events in the trenches and about how information and its interpretation affects our enemy and how it affects on us, and now we are joined by hryhoriy lyubovets, this is one of the heads of the communication and content security center, mr. hryhoriyu, welcome to the espresso channel. good day, congratulations. time, i would like to start our conversation with the fact that one way or another the events that are happening in ukraine, we sometimes we perceive it through the assessment of foreign media, and actually it became a kind of standard, but now even when the situation with the removal of general zalushny from his position took place, everyone immediately ran to read what the foreign media were writing. media about this situation, i would like to ask you why this happens, does

such secondaryness carry risks in terms of perceiving one's own vision and trying to perceive everything through external evaluations? here we can say , first of all, that the perception of information and the perception of meanings, which you are talking about, is precisely the culture of the state. you and i, unfortunately , understand that ukrainian statehood, in its restored version, was a short story after all, just as the russian federation was created almost a little more than 30 years ago, ukrainian statehood was also restored for 30 years, and before that it was the soviet union, and this soviet union practically did not give. the culture of free confession of meanings, categories,

processes, discourses, and therefore today, unfortunately, what you are talking about is just a stereotype and a defect of the past, the past in management, because this is precisely what can be conventionally called sovietism, and not only in management. of our state, but also of an average citizen and even an intellectual, for some reason we do not see our discourses and run. to foreigners of any quality, and this is just one of the shortcomings, i will not talk about losses, namely our shortcomings, and here the question arises, how to get out of here, very simply, we have to present the country in a discourse, and especially its specifics

of struggle, we have a lot of very specifics, so ahead... your speaker spoke about the fact that we are in war in our center and practically in our scientific-research, scientific-expert environment, we fight with this term content-wise not from the position of a legal norm, but content-wise, because this is where all the problems come from, practically ukraine leads ukrainian civilization. the struggle for the perspective of world civilization, we, lawyers , are sent to the field of war, convention war, historical war, any war, and you and i are in a practically unique precedent situation, because we are confronting

genocidal aggression that does not measure up. only by a trench, she, by the way, if we talk about a trench , she is measured in the trench, what is in the hands of our hero fighter, and what is in his head, and what is in his head, and his perception and spirit today become , perhaps the most important thing, which general zaluzhnyi appropriately showed the world in discourse: the world, and this is a very correct line, this is not just a public application of a person, it is practical, you saw, yes, that the world of zaluzhnyi began to be discussed discursively, and not some foreign one author or interviewer who goes to moscow for some reason, it is clear why, but from

there is very little of this, because the result of this action... is global, we have to hold the world discourse, we have something for whom, and today, this is not just our right, but our duty, because we are the first, that is, in fact, we now have to raise the perception of this war to the level of civilization, that is , an order of magnitude higher than what we are currently operating in our journalistic... expert formulations and create mechanisms for broadcasting our messages to a world level, and useful as i understood, from your message, created precedents when discussed fundamentally important things, they resonated with our foreign partners, and they probably ensured a certain backlash there in political decisions, military decisions, and

this mechanism was worked out, and if we do not take advantage of it now, then we will actually lose. certain possibilities, yes? i would add here that this is such a broad line, because on the one hand the president is engaged in this, our diplomatic mission is engaged very well, by the way, and on the other hand mr. zaluzhnyi was doing it, and in this synergy, and we need more to talk about synergy, because the combination of qualities gives scale, depth and primacy, and we had it, we are today... it should not be lost, yes, the decisions made, the decisions of martial law, are correct, because it is martial law, and the question now to hold the topic, and here in front of me the speaker correctly spoke, it is impossible to allow that the line of argumentation, the scale of argumentation and

the perception of our arguments, ukrainian, and zaluzhni - these are not his arguments, these are the arguments... of ukraine - these are the arguments of those heroes who laid down their lives so that these we formulated the arguments, understood them, perceived them as a mistake, and we are moving on, that is why this level must be maintained, and therefore the level of discourse, and we are just saying both in our institute and in the center, that we practically have one more technology to raise, in addition to robotically and systems, now the topic of the robotic system as a type of weaponry is being raised, this is the theater of communication and content confrontation, this is the same stake. with the same scale we have to operate with, and this is not an allegory, this is a broad action front, because today's world

is glocal, simultaneous and horizontal, sir grigory, you are now using important components of your concept, which has received recognition, i heard there a new thesis of the information-continental theater... of military operations that you have begun to use, and i would like you to explain, using the example of our brigades , what how does it work, because we had a discussion with you that our military brigades that create their own content on the battlefield, when they collect videos, when they show how they destroy the enemy, and this video becomes massive, when based on these video fragments , the meaning of war begins to be correctly perceived, possibilities of this war, it becomes so driving. by the strength of the unity of society and the army itself and even resonates in the heads of our partners. is it possible

to make this element, using the informational potential of our combat brigades, a mass element that will be tangential to those qualitative changes that zaluzhny also spoke about and that zelenskyi partially mentioned there? first of all , that's right, because the brigade is not easy. maintaining the perimeter, the brigade produces not only the results of military actions, it practically produces stylistics, energy and spirit, and we know different brigades that have different scales according to these parameters, but here i would still refuse now, not like that, there is no need to refuse, i have expanded the understanding of unity. synergistic potential, synergy , that is, a combination of large-scale, let's say , potentials that give a new quality

of potential, so this synergy is just preparation and action, and results, but these results, if we give them at the brigade level, then we show , what is 800, and about... almost 1,500 km line of active defense, it does not become conditional, it becomes real, because these are all the exclusives of the brigades that you are talking about, and those specials that you are talking about, they simply need to be transformed into communication and content flows of different tempo-rhythm, perception, presentation, formats and level filling. of the world, because ukraine is fighting for a world perspective, and this is not an allegory again, this is reality, and therefore the conversation,

whether they will give us something or not, with such a setting, the question will be who gave first, and why someone did not give, because now it is necessary to orientate now, when the elites are practical our diplomatic corps, the authorities , that is, the supreme commander-in-chief's administration brought the supreme commander into a mode of understanding the importance, now it is necessary that this importance be again in the horizon of communities and people, what without eliminating the regime that depopulates the environment of its peoples and practically there , where he is present, we must create opportunities and conditions for peace. humanity in the dimension of civilization, mr. grigory, but in these conditions the enemy also understands these potential threats from the ukrainian side and begins to act with lies, and it does not matter

whether it's true or false, here is the visit of this scandalous journalist tucker carlson to russia, and this interview, it's all a complete lie, but the scale of the lie is also, well, it creates... serious challenges for us to be able to push our own agenda , what are your assessments of this story, how to counter it, what could be the consequences? this is just an example of a lie rising to the highest level. what did putinism even begin with? he began with the fact that the terminology of correct words was transformed into demonic. weapons just regime weapons, very simple example, understanding the word russia, peace, negotiations, elections - these are all weapons. this

regime, now the example you are talking about, when lies come from the highest political level, many people in the world do not imagine and do not know that it is possible for such an official to speak about this, why? because they, for example, in the countries of the free world believe that everywhere democracy, everywhere mass media, everywhere... someone should be prosecuted for lying, by the way, there is a global problem here today about what should be installed on at the international level, the norm is a verbal crime, a verbal crime in particular, because a lie at the global level is practically a crime against humanity, and therefore the question of just this example, it shows. just the scale of actions

, we often say, they say lies, stupid, stupid, and in general it is somehow incomprehensible, why, because we are prepared, we understand, and there are many countries in the world, here is a very simple example, on grain receipts from ukraine , about this, as if it were an obvious thing, few people knew, in fact, where the bread came from, the bread was from ukraine. and the putinites are in africa they said that they were bringing it because they had given instructions to ukraine to deliver something. therefore , the topic of lies, disinformation, fakes are technological things, these are things that are a challenge for modernity. for example, a big, big round of elections in europe is about to begin. and the european union says that we need to engage in enlightenment.

in order to explain to our people: people are good, late, or then do it on a very large scale, horizontally and er , well, qualified, and not just refute something, because the refutation of a lie, in addition to the result, also gives interest in the lie, and so we know that, for example, conspiracy theories of various authors, yes? have a very high profit, why? i wonder what it is? and what is interesting? because a rocket does not fly at you, and your relatives or loved ones are not in the trenches? and then very interesting. therefore, the topic of understanding is that ukraine is fighting absolute evil, and this is evil. in a tie presented at the american level, it is the same crime, a verbal crime before. by everyone, starting with

the occupied peoples of the russian federation, ending with expansions in the eyes of the audience, where it is, for example, an interview, now very much, you see, thank you very much for these explanations, for the time you took for our viewers, i think these are very important conceptual things that we need to realize, and i will remind our viewers that it was... here were the explanations for the , that the war with russia is multidimensional, and each component, military, economic, informational, has its own technologies, its own models, and our advantage will be when we actually master these technological solutions, we will use them both on the battlefield and in negotiations with our partners and in confrontation with our enemy. stay tuned

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