and intelligence, former representative of the president in the verkhovna rada of ukraine. mr. fedor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. so, according to ukrainian pravda , the president's office and the verkhovna rada's committee on economic development are developing two different concepts of economic reservation for conscripts for those who have an official salary of more than uah 30-35 per month, or for those with... to whom the company will pay an additional tax of uah 2,000, in particular for fops, now the draft law, which was approved in the first reading, is being prepared for the second reading, well, probably for the final approval, when it will happen, and what can you say about these novelties, which relate to the economic reservation of the mobilized, well , first of all, in the second reading, i think that the bill about... in the conditional, with the conditional

title about mobilization, about improvement of mobilization issues will be adopted either at the end of february or at the beginning of march, because now until february 21 legislative amendments to this draft law will be submitted and will continue to be submitted adopted in the first reading, now there are already about 30,050 of them and they continue to come in, so i hope that as soon as the deadline for submitting amendments and proposals ends. the committee on national security, defense and intelligence will quickly consider these proposals and adopt the appropriate conclusion with recommendations for consideration of this draft law in the parliament hall. as for the issue of the so-called economic reservation, about which you are now talking, then we have considered these issues related to the reservation of conscripts for enterprises, institutions, organizations, when analyzed both in the open mode and in the mode.

of the closed meeting of our committee , the preliminary text of the draft law, which was approved by the cabinet of ministers, after which it was withdrawn, the question of reservation is one of the very important from the point of view of the relationship between the economic development of the state and the need to ensure the protection of territorial integrity, sovereignty, that is, the actual fulfillment of military duty, which is enshrined in the constitution, i am not convinced at the moment that any economic... the levers will be accepted and they will , let's say so, lead to the text of the law, moreover, we agreed during the preliminary review in the committee together with representatives of the ministry of defense, the ministry of economy, the ministry of strategic industry, that the issues of reservation will be resolved in the law only framework, that is , a certain model will be developed, which criteria will determine the criteria for future reservation, and... the cabinet of ministers of ukraine

will already be able to, on the basis of the legally established criteria at the level of regulations, clearly define the procedure for booking conscripts, and this especially applies primarily to the sphere of the military -defense complex, the military-industrial complex, as well as enterprises that ensure the functioning of critical industries, because the issue is really very important, as i said, from one on the other hand, we have to ensure the mobilization and call for mobilization of those military obligations. which will replenish our losses and form reserves, on the other hand, we should not destroy the economy, so this the question will, i am convinced , be the subject of such lengthy discussions, some optimal model will be worked out, i think that the government will be able to determine the main criteria, or rather the details of this process, at the level of the sub-legal regulatory act of the resolution, the criteria will be defined in the law. head of the verkhovna rada committee on economic development dmytro natalukha in an interview. form confirmed that

the discussion of the concept of economy booking is ongoing and explained that we will listen to what problems it can solve. this model is increasing military contribution and military levy voluntarily, for a specific employee, it actually allows you to ignore external factors, who will be the president of the united states, what will be the mood of orban, we, at the expense of... our own ukrainian business, are beginning to accumulate additional financial resources in order to ensure the army, so this is the answer to whether there is a reservation for the military levy, this is the first story, the second story, it is also a question that you do not pay it is unclear where, due to the fact that it is a military levy, this money goes exclusively in fact, it is as if the money that has a specific purpose, the third story, that we still have armed forces... are provided exclusively from

ukrainian taxes, not a single penny of all our partnership money goes to the military. this is how i understood, mr. fedor, the purpose of this bill. including the detinization of the economy, that is, if the company wants to have employees who work legally and pay taxes, then accordingly, in this way, the company can book so that these employees do not leave, are not mobilized, but for this the company must work in white, do i understand correctly? well, the idea is being discussed, i emphasize once again, but here is what dmytro said on... natalukha, it is absolutely correct, because we have to look into the future and ensure, at the expense of our own development of our own economy, the formation of the state budget, which will be directed in part the sphere of the military, well, the sphere of defense, security, the defense security sector, but

again, we have to be realistic, and well, anyone can open the law on the state budget for 2024 and see what is there sorry, 2/3 of the funds... this is external borrowing, to count on the fact that we will very quickly create an economic model that will actually cover such a deficit of the state budget is, well, excessive optimism, although we need to work on it, and indeed the economic committee of development discusses the various models in great detail, and they just during the consideration of the previous bill, which the cabinet withdrew at our defense security committee, they paid attention to exactly what i was talking about at the beginning of our conversation with you, that the economy ... may not be able to withstand the shortage of qualified personnel and then we will get the reverse side effect, the side effects of such a mobilization process, therefore we must also ensure the interests of enterprises, which in fact indirectly also provide the sphere

of security and defense, but the process , i emphasize once again, is very difficult, well, for me, as for a constitutionalist, it is somewhat doubtful , to put it mildly, that at the expense of, let's say... so indirectly, the payment of some monetary contribution, you can get a postponement from mobilization, because it is, let's say, doubtful from the point of view of the equality of constitutional rights , freedoms of man and citizen, the one who can or the one for whom the enterprise can pay some additional money in the form of a military levy or other taxes will receive from the line of mobilization those whose enterprise is unable to pay there significant will not receive the amount, so i think that this... there are still enough deep discussions, and in the final version, i think, we will find the optimal model that will comply with the constitution, will ensure the balance of interests security, defense and economic development. even before the adoption of this law, we see how in

some towns, villages or settlements people begin to organize some kind of protests or speak out against representatives of the tsc. and to express their displeasure that their men can be mobilized there, and this is also a very dangerous trend during the war, in what way do you think the state and the authorities can prevent this, so that it does not happen, that is, in the conditions of war, are such actions permissible at all, if not, how should the law react to... such actions, how well here, as it was in cosmos, for example, well , unfortunately, we really have such a demarcation of peaceful life there in those regions that, fortunately, are minimally affected by military actions, that is, minimally under shelling or limited and

that part of the life of ukraine, which is actually in a continuous state of war, these are those who participate in hostilities, those who live directly in the zones. which are close to the territory of the russian federation or to the war zone, therefore this issue is precisely one of the key ones, for which it is actually being developed this draft law, which we are talking about with you now, because despite even the current norms of the law on mobilization preparation and mobilization, where all measures are related to ensuring the implementation of mobilization, they are already distributed among different and between different authorities, local authorities . self-government, enterprises, uh, there, social protection bodies, education bodies and so on, to date mobilization actions, which, by

and large, should be carried out by a number of other subjects or different subjects, and that is why this is in this law that we voted for. in the first reading , the powers of local self-government bodies, and enterprises, institutions, and organizations are specified, so that it is, you know, not such a fragmented activity of only representatives. of the command of the territorial center of staffing of social support, but also the consolidated activity of all components of this process, undoubtedly, in order to avoid social tension, it is necessary, in addition to actual mobilization actions, to carry out such, well, i would say clarifyingly, perhaps even in some aspect, propaganda activities regarding the need to preserve the state, restore the territorial integrity of our state, and we understand , that the potential of russia. unfortunately, even despite the sanctions that are working, it still remains quite powerful, and without

mobilization, without additional replenishment of our armed forces, other military formations, to hope that we will be able to restore territorial integrity very quickly is hardly worth it, therefore, it is necessary to do all this in a complex and the law that we are discussing and subordinate legal acts, they are also oriented towards this during discussions. committee, we drew the attention of the representatives of the ministry of defense to this first of all, because you know, mobilization cannot be ensured only by some such, well, coercive measures of influence, it is necessary to demonstrate the advantages of the fact that a person will join the armed forces, that he will receive some kind of social benefits , guarantees, help in business development , training for the future and so on, that is, it should be a comprehensive approach and we are working on it, i think just before... the second reading, this will be one of the very important tasks, which we have to achieve. and why, mr. fedor, volodymyr zelenskyi, as the supreme

commander of the armed forces of ukraine , was not the leader of this process, the leader of changes to the legislation and the creation of a new law on mobilization, since this is his absolute authority and generally constitutional duty, why was he not the initiator, why does he constantly talk about the fact that there is something in this law. not so, there the military asks me to mobilize 500,000, he is the supreme commander, that is, the entire vertical that exists in the state, it obeys him, well, yes, the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, as the subject of the right of legislative initiative, and together with the military command from ministry of defense, they implemented this, this idea, the president at various meetings that he holds, he only identified the key problems that need to be determined by joint efforts, respectively, of the ministry of defense and others. ministries of the central executive bodies of our committee, we have worked out a model that should

satisfy both society and the defense security sector. by the way, about the security and defense sector, during the last week, a large personnel rotation took place, that is, 16 generals were dismissed from their positions, headed by the head of the armed forces of ukraine. in your opinion, is it advisable to carry out... such a large personnel rotation during the war, because these are all generals who fought since 2014, these are all combat generals, and they were dismissed in different ways, someone found out about these dismissals from the press, someone found out in a different way, is there any necessity for this now, that you can you say as a member of the profile committee? well, first of all, let's say this, i don't want to offend anyone, but i think, well, i consider it highly unlikely that anyone... learned about his dismissal from the internet or from the press, because i know the previous reasons, previous, or rather,

cases , when they were released, were also loud statements at a time when i know that the relevant military leadership was informed that they would be released there in a week, in two weeks, and so on, so there is such a political psychological underpinning or game on the part of some military, but as for your key question, was the change worth it. well , i think you know, well, personally, i subjectively do not see the expected result that the whole society expected, for example, from the hostilities in the 23rd year, we remember what they were hopes for the spring-summer-autumn company, they planned to liberate significant territories, unfortunately, this did not succeed, and probably some personnel decisions must be made here so that the tasks... which society actually sees for our armed forces, they were implemented, so

let's wait there, well, let's say 3-4 months until the summer and see the results of this personnel rotation, i am convinced that they will demonstrate the fidelity of the decisions made by the president, no, the question here is not whether it is true or not , because the president is for the constitution has the right to fire at least everyone and appoint a new chairman, the question is not here , the question is... the only thing is that, well, apparently, ukrainians should know why valery zaluzhny was fired, it was still necessary to articulate publicly, therefore which is still not clear, because... one of the versions is that it is some kind of political ambitions of the industrious person there or something else, that is, do you know what the industrious person was fired for? no, look, well , first of all, we understand that two years of such an intense war that ukraine is waging against the russian federation, the state that attacked our territory, this is, well, on extremely great psychological pressure on the person who makes

the relevant decisions, i would, well, general zaluzhny demonstrated effectiveness. during the first or second year of the war, but unfortunately, fatigue accumulates, and the president, as you are now demonstrating on the screen, i absolutely adequately assessed the merits of general zaluzhnyi, he received the title of hero of ukraine, but i think that some tactical changes should be made , strategic approaches to the conduct of hostilities, and there is hope that general syrsky will just demonstrate that we can fight in a slightly different way and achieve other goals, so let's wait, we will analyze further. or the infidelity of decisions, and by the way, precisely at the nearest meeting of the committee we will listen to the new commander-in-chief of the armed forces about the tasks he sees before him, which are set for him by the political leadership and the chief of the general staff, that is, he will be informed in closed session of the committee about exactly those questions that you are asking now, so i think that soon in

in a fairly short-term perspective , society will be able to assess the results and effectiveness of such personnel changes. thank you, mr. fedor, it was fedir vienislavskyi, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us there live, please like this video and also vote in our poll. today we are asking you about whether you support the idea of ​​mobilization for an additional tax. yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your opinion, please write in the comments under this video, if you see us on tv, pick up your phone or smartphone and vote if you support the postponement of tax mobilization additional tax 0800 211 381, no 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will summarize the results of this vote. ihor romanenko,

lieutenant general in the reserve, former deputy chief. agency of the armed forces of ukraine, mr. general, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, mr. general, because during the last week there were many comments and some evaluations of the actions of the chief of the armed forces of ukraine zaluzhnyi, and this great rotation, general rotation , which was held by president zelensky at the end of last week, i can't help but ask you, how are you? as a professional military man, as a person who once led the ukrainian army, one of the people who led the ukrainian army, how do you perceive such personnel rotation during war? as a risky step, but we saw that it was accumulating, let's say, maybe not

agreed, i would say contradictions between the supreme commander and the commander-in-chief. and it was not beneficial, and, let's say, the mistakes that were made from the point of view of the strategic level management last year, they had a basis precisely in these actions, well, this is a separate issue in the construction, if strategic management, which would be in accordance with the law . is organized in such a way that the supreme commander-in-chief is political, forms the military-political, performs these tasks at the level of the defense forces of ukraine , i emphasize this, and not only the armed forces, the commander-in-chief is under martial law, and also general syrsky, as the commander of the ground forces, by the way, who is responsible for

his closes and recruitment centers, that is for these processes of the armed forces . subordinate to the commander-in-chief, but the further it went, the more it happened that if the supreme commander-in-chief had communicated and worked with general sirsky last year in the bakhmud direction, general zaluzhny would have performed the tasks of, say, paris the area of ​​action for the counteroffensive on the berdyansk melitopol direction, well, the operation that was planned, most likely... it was the most profitable kherson direction, but the enemy knew about it, its intelligence, and that is why they crossed it under the ba da dam, eh -uh, and...uh, so for a long time, until the end of the summer, the resource was accumulated for only one direction, and since this happened,

there were different views on the implementation, and therefore the political direction of bakhmutsky, and therefore two directions in already in june , zaporizhzhia realized that they had the resources to do so there is no way to advance beyond the first line, and... so the rational approach was that it was necessary to stop the actions of these counteroffensives due to the fact that there were not enough forces so that the enemy was not you, and such as aviation, as long-range missiles, and a number of others , but it was very difficult to do, because the society was ideologically oriented, overheated on... quick success on the counteroffensive, achieving results, and all this did not happen, and in such conditions to manage and take responsibility for all these three

military officials - political about what else then it was necessary to switch to strategic defense, there was still that resource, some counter offensive, and the relationship between them did not contribute to this, so it probably did. analysis, the conclusions are critical from this, and the supreme commander made a decision that in this state it would be normal to continue working, in fact, contradictions arose earlier, because at the beginning of the year the commander-in-chief general zaluzhnyi said that the military was needed, i personally heard when the president confirmed that the military applied for him to mobilize, replenish, but at the expense of what, but how... it will affect many things, the economy and so on, and now we are already trying in an accelerated manner, but the accelerated verkhovna rada has its own procedures, it does not work,

the cabinet of ministers is still trying to improve this situation with the work of the picking centers, but it will speed it up by another six months, there are not enough people to call up, they need to be trained, equipped, everything else, that is , a strategic mistake that... that they have not done this since the beginning of last year and the consequences are now like this, and it is our internal task, if one another reason was the supply of weapons extended for six months, during which the russians built a strong defense in zaperizhzhia, and therefore all these actions in all these three directions, and then they also decided to connect, the kherson direction also dried up, after all, which is the most promising, but forces for the fourth time... there was not enough anymore, and that is why this is such a very state of affairs now, the conditions of operations of the chief commander of general syrskyi

are quite difficult, well, it is enough that he enters in such conditions, and in order for it not to be successful, he must be provided with a resource , they are talking about he formulated and already answered plan b, if there was an offensive counter and so on, and what about plan b, if we do not carry out plan a? that is, the execution of the tasks of a strategic defensive operation, the purpose of which is to stop the advance of the enemy, first of all, to designate as many forces and means as possible, and then somewhere , if it is possible, to talk about gaining time in order to accumulate reserves for conducting a counteroffensive operation, so on in my opinion, these are the schedules, and that is why there was a replacement, and it was not... not just commander-in-chief novoosyrskyi, who rose due to the degree of functional duties, because he did not become the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, but

the commander-in-chief, according to our legislation, of the defense forces of ukraine, more broadly, it is also not easy, and if he leaves, there is quite a lot of risk of further actions. well, we will keep an eye on how general syrskyi will master a new position, and accordingly, new commanders and separate commanders of separate areas in the ukrainian army, today, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine confirmed information about the destruction of the large landing ship of the black sea fleet caesar kunikov in the black sea, it happened on the night of february 14, and of course. but the russian public so modestly silences this event, but the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine confirms that

this impression occurred. of this ship by the magura naval drone and already commenting on the destruction of another russian military ship in the black sea, nato secretary general jen stoltenberg noted that the displacement of the black sea fleet of the russian federation from the western part of the black sea is a big an achievement and a great victory for the ukrainians, and according to intelligence, most of the crew of this large landing ship, which was destroyed in the black sea, could not be saved. andriy yusov, a representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, said about this, everything went according to plan, as a result, the armed ship was destroyed and is not subject to recovery, there was ammunition along with the cargo, and it is not yet known for sure how many died there, mr. general, well here we see another success of ukraine, which has sufficient modest naval forces opportunities now, and it is clear that... that russia

has always tried to show, to demonstrate strength in the black sea, and it is clear that for them what is happening in the black sea can be called such a strategic defeat, because they always thought that the black sea fleet - this will be their advantage in this region, and here are the statements that are being made that let us negotiate there... depending on ukraine there with the world, depending on what the situation on land is, that is what kremlin representatives say, how do you rate actions on the sea, and how exactly did ukraine manage to limit the actions of the russian occupiers in the black sea? well, we are still far from the final victory, including at sea, but this is a significant

achievement. and it must be said, despite the failure of actions in last year's campaign, on the ground of the armed forces and defense forces of ukraine, but there were achievements, this is at sea, and the results you discussed, i would like to add, let's say, thanks to such actions, we fixed the corridor, very important, economic, for us maritime, agrarian, and not only agrarian, we er... in the air provided operations unique to the destruction of such weapons of the wunderwaffe, as putin tried to give out from his propaganda, such as , for example, daggers, iskanders and so on, and with the small number of batteries that the allies handed over to us, and in general, despite the fact that this continues this kind of conducting air strikes, air power. with

our other structures, the defense forces, which are responsible for anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense, they successfully performed these tasks, so there is a military aspect here, which you also mentioned about the destruction of this ship, is ideological, if you like, that is, on this day there was an amphibious operation back in 1981, or when... so this amphibious assault, which was led by kunnikov, was actually destroyed, well, in this way, well soviet propaganda also brought up, i remember this both in the military school and in the first academy, where it was highlighted in schools as a feat, although, although... from the point of view of the military

, if these people were slaughtered, that is, the pozhukov soldier, there was no pity , russian women give birth, well, maybe russians there gave birth four times or more there, than not all there russians, but ideologically , this person was killed then, now the ship has died, it is very important, this is in our struggle, and we wish... that this chain does not stop, mr. general, russia has started using new zircon missiles against ukraine , and the kyiv scientific research institute of forensic expertise is already talking about it, it says that on february 7, russia used missiles on the territory of ukraine.