on already existing ships and buoys, quasi-corvettes , and these frigates, without restrictions, but it’s another matter that really this missile, it supposedly has a very high speed, and this speed, well , if it does not allow, or significantly reduces the capabilities of air defense systems to intercept these missiles, well, there are also a lot of questions here, because we were discovered. two such probable launch and use of zircon missiles in places in ukraine, these are zaporizhzhia and kyiv, the remains of these missiles were found, they were fired at the end of last year, the beginning of this year, according to the marking, well, again, this is a single in such a position, no one knows how many such missiles there are in general, and well, in principle, how many there are. i think that this is rather

a propaganda move, there is a weapon of some kind of incomprehensible victory there, but in fact it means nothing, now the biggest one is open to us. damage is caused by these missiles kh22, s300, iskanders, these missiles, well , because there are many of them. zircon is something so invented, but yesterday i read, for example, that foreign experts on engines, and this rocket has a direct-current engine, that they very much doubt that this direct-current engine will work according to those parameters

, under the conditions that the russians provide, that is why i would check all this information very seriously, i would treat this information with a very big question and doubt, and i would collect it, so for now data about the ones that are in open sources on this system. now, summarizing, we can say that there are allegedly a small number of these missiles, but it is not at all clear whether they have confirmed their declared and advertised characteristics, and how appropriate it is to have such a missile at all, because those the expenses that can be invested in it, they absolutely cannot be covered by the expense of... well, let's say the effect of its

combat use. mr. andriy, thank you for your comment and expert analysis, andriy ryzhenko , a captain of the first rank of the reserve of the naval forces of ukraine and a strategic expert of the sonata company, helped us, well , not so much, how to deal with the consequences of strikes on the russian black sea fleet in the black sea. yes, and our next guest natalia. already with us, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the committee of the verkhovna rada issues of education, science and innovation. mrs. natalia, we congratulate you. good day, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mrs. natalia, we will talk about mobilization first, but through the prism of education. we know that educators are asking for their exercises, it is about the education and science committee, so that postgraduate students have a postponement, so that scientific workers, actually those... workers who have a scientific degree,

also students of higher and secondary theological educational institutions, have a postponement from passing military service, how realistic is it that these corrections actually apply to them will they listen, will they be introduced and will they become part of this draft law and then the law in the future? i'll be honest, this question is actually very painful, because it's true that graduate students, in particular contract workers , have increased a lot compared to 2023. the first is about 10,000, and accordingly, and among them there are partly people who wanted to get a postponement from mobilization in this way, and it is actually very important, when we submit this amendment, that everyone has equal rights and opportunities, i spoke for it and the obmutsman e , so that there is no discrimination, so that we are truly the ones people were engaged in science, and their postponement was not corrupt, not for money, but made sense, this issue is actually very difficult. as

parallel to the fact that most likely this postponement is supported, because this was the current norm prior to the law that is currently in force, all introductions will also follow. for graduate school , there will already be exams, another general test, such as zno, it will be general science plus an english test, it will be held in september 2024, because studies there actually start in october, and also all those who entered graduate school last years, will also pass as such certification tests, and the ministry of education and science expects that as a result of these examinations and these tests, a third. those who, in fact , did not go to do science, and thus receive a deferment, are screened out, it is from such moments, therefore, from what i understand, discussions are underway, this norm, as it was adopted by the committee proposed by it, will most likely be adopted , well, my

predictions are 99% that it will be accepted, the next one, please, but what about these 50-year-old young students who started to get their second or third education... here it started the preparation of the draft law for the second reading, how will the law define students over the age of 50 with second, third, and fourth educations, they will be subject to mobilization, currently the wording of the rule reads as follows, and i think that it will also be adopted in this form, that only the one who obtains the next level of education, that is, not the second one... what and, for example, what if the next and or a bachelor’s degree after a master’s degree or and or after or after a bachelor’s degree or after a master’s degree the next level of education, but what if these will have a delay, and if

it goes to the second higher of the same level, then it will not be postponed, most likely the text of the law will go like this, today it is formulated like this and... i think that it will be adopted in this way. ms. natalya, how will it be possible to verify whether a person is engaged in science, scientific activity, that is, he is really interested in it, a scientific career, some kind of development, achievements, or simply imitates, because it is possible there, with his own names, which is very little of people before the large-scale invasion went to full-time postgraduate studies, well, that is, their share was small, that is, what was answered in the 21st. year, these are approximately the real numbers of people who wanted to do science on a budget or on a paid basis, accordingly, it will be very difficult to verify in reality, so this attestation tests, these attestation exams should help in this, that people who have no idea about science and they don't do it, so they won't

be able to, well, if they had to drop out of graduate school and, accordingly, the drop-off on them ceases to apply, i also know cases when people, for example, hesitated whether to do graduate school. whether or not to go, but large-scale invasion, well, for example, they were still motivated to go into science, because they saw themselves there as better than than in the army, and there are those who specifically get international grants and started doing science, but i think that the percentage of these latter actually much smaller, and therefore we will have to verify and verify again, of course it is difficult in the army also with unmotivated people, but we have to continue this, because after all, people with a higher education... are also very necessary, because people are needed for planning operations, carrying out operations with different experiences. ugh. actually, or not in this way, another niche , another such cell for corruption will be born, yes, when this testing will take place, in whatever form it may be, who is really interested,

who is really competent, who is really studying something, and who is somewhere there who doesn't care it only wipes the pants, as they say, it depends on who will implement it, if it will still be a unified center from the ukrainian center for evaluating the quality of education, this is imagination, the one who conducts the zano, the one who conducts the dpa, and it will be unified across ukraine, then there will be fewer chances for that, if it is still local, then there will be more chances, it will depend a lot on who conducts, who analyzes, but from all the discussions we had, and the key is with international partners, and with obladsmen, so that there is no discrimination , then this is the best... method that is currently proposed, i cannot say that i am calm and confident that it will work 100%, but it is the best option that exists today, so that really need, well, if we need scientists, because they usually win in the game those who come up with the best military technologies that

are capable of using a new type of weapon, so if we really need it, or we often need cooperation with our partners, because you will set up production in ukraine even underground, and we are from... what were the hits military enterprises, even those that are underground, are very difficult, so we need to think together with technology partners here and often implement them on their territory, so ah... but not all of them, of course, that our scientists are engaged in , which is needed for war, therefore the questions are difficult, but we will have to, also at the same time i am asked about after-school and preschool, we have the smallest number of men there, but under the previous law they did not have a deferment, and in this, despite the fact that there are different questions, there is currently no position either , that men who work in extracurricular and preschool. a postponement may be granted, you are actually doing just that now, and

i also wanted to ask about education a little differently, because we looked at it now, we saw that we helped our children who, together with their parents, left the war and went to studying in different countries of europe, in different schools, that's how we saw this help, because people got into different language environments in different programs and schools, and on the contrary, we have already prepared, well, let's say, the children will learn. for several years in different schools , some in ireland, some in poland , some in france, some in the czech republic, but then they return to the only certain stable standards and rules of the ukrainian school, how will it be on the back of just our children who will return, we have hope to ukraine and continue their studies, as they will be back in to return the direction of the ukrainian school, this has already been developed, this is a good question, it is very important that this ministry is different from the scarlet ministry. said that we take all the children back and then determine their level in each subject they

had. if mathematics is the same in ukraine and in ireland, then the programs are still different, and the question is what kind of knowledge did the child in conditional ireland or in germany acquire during this time. the position of the ministry of education made it possible for us to accept every child who returns to e-e education in ukraine, further in fact, there will be a school and pedrada. to decide how exactly to adapt the child, i understand that this is a burden on schools, but it is actually impossible to come up with better options now, because only the team to which the child goes, the class and the teachers who taught him, will be able to adapt him to the child best , who is returning, to determine her level of knowledge in this or that subject, of course, that you must immediately be ready, that something will be different, and accordingly hell... accept that child, and it works, i know cases when children returned, the first six months actually to them

it was difficult to return, to adapt, they were happy to see their class, their teachers, but the programs are also different, but it is important for us to accept, because i will remind you that under the previous system, even under scarlett, they demanded that a child, entering the next grade in ukraine , studied this program on her own, and only then was it checked and if the relevant students... were not counted, now it has been changed, and this is actually very important, well, the transition is not easy, but there is no better option either, and every child in ukraine is needed , let's go back to higher school, that is, we'll see the initiative and proposals of the ministry of education, and it is no longer the only one that we have about the crimean university, remember, then we talked about the university, now we are an association, supposedly, as if to simply optimize and allow them. higher education institutions to have access to resources, it is said that three educational institutions

are actually merging with three others. ugh. we see this association in lviv, in kyiv, in kharkiv, where the institute of physical optics of the lviv national university is joined there by the research institute of ukrainian studies, to the kyiv kharkiv karazin national university of ukrainian engineering and pedagogy. ot. well, in principle , the drying of the otruscan optimization, it is definitely necessary for us in the new circumstances, according to what parameters, where do you see it as effective, and where is it ineffective, we understand that everywhere there will be a certain resistance in one way or another by some representatives of the labor team, who will defend your own, as they say, nest, nest or place, so there is such a thing, well, we have to, and you said well that optimization is necessary, because the entire education system. today we have and educational institutions were created for a state that was behind the iron curtain, without the right to leave

, without the right of international cooperation, which were 52 million. today, before the large-scale invasion, we had about 40, now we have about 32, that is, it is significantly less, and that is why it is necessary to optimize, the criteria that are defined, in fact, what is the efficiency of this or that institution is determined , they look at which management team the ministry comes to... discusses with the region, looks at the situation and then looks for ways, who is best to unite with whom, where there is a the leadership that will be able to further, in fact, protect all the best specialists, because there are definitely such, how in fact it is best to manage with the opportunities that are available, yes, with those funds, with those premises and so on, so yes, but you well, they said that changes are always difficult to perceive, but for example, there was a union in mykolaiv, and there were no questions at all, it went smoothly, kharkiv conditionally

listened, and agreed with everything, but then publicly, well, disagreed with tavriysky university also caused discussions, unfortunately there are certain political ones agreements, and i think that in the near future there will also be mass media that will describe what happened, and it is very important, to whom they are attached and for what purpose, so the tavriyskis were attached not to some mediocre educational institution, but to the tymohylian academy, and the actual study of the crimean language today at the crimean-tatar university of tabriz, it is more correct to say the kremlin, is literally carried out by 24 students, and i am the only one. one teacher, this also tells whether this institution is effective enough, for today they are defended their right, so let's hope that we will really see efficiency and also scientific developments there, because they are very necessary on the topic of the kremlin, mrs. natalya, thank you for the clarification, for the comment nataliya pipa, people's deputy and secretary of the parliament's committee on education , science and

innovation about education during the war, well , now we will talk about another dimension, another important and... and actually painful topic, today we celebrate the international day of the child with cancer, we will talk about it further, yulia nogovitsyna, director of the program department the help of the foundation of pills with us, we welcome you, mrs. yulia, to our airwaves, good afternoon, eh, the first question is about, how do you tell us how your foundation works with children, how it helps the children that you currently have programs for, because we understand that under during the war , the main focus of most ukrainians was on helping the front, but the diseases did not disappear anywhere. what is the current situation in children's oncology? thank you for the question, for more than 12 years, we at the tablatochka foundation have been helping children with cancer, and we do it essentially in two dimensions: this is targeted assistance to families who are faced

with such a problem, first of all, it is the provision of medicines, operating materials, payment for diagnostic tests (ct mri), laboratory tests, provision of housing near the hospital for outpatient treatment, psychological support, palliative care, and so on . and we also have directions for more systematic work at the level of the hospital, at the level of doctors, at the level of the state, that is, we invest in more such significant changes so that the next coming patients, they already... have not faced the problems of lack of medicines or absence of a psychologist in the department, and in this way, first of all, we are engaged in the education of doctors in order to bring treatment to a qualitatively new level, we help to update hospitals, making repairs there, purchasing equipment, conducting digitalization, and we work at the level

of state bodies as part of working groups, expert groups and thus expand the nomenclature, promote reform in medical education and so on, we also have a very powerful direction of international cooperation, thanks to which, in particular , it was possible to evacuate a large number of pediatric oncology patients at the beginning of the war, because at that time there was no opportunity to provide full-fledged therapy in ukraine, and thanks to our contacts and our partners, these patients were accepted by hospitals in europe and north america, where they ... have undergone and are currently undergoing therapy, yes, but cancer therapy is expensive, it was even in peacetime, but now it’s actually just interesting, now some international programs are working, it’s from the budget, is it necessary again to collect from everyone on a voluntary basis? currently

, the situation remains that the sources of funding are different. of course, the war exacerbated the situation, because yes, everything is aimed at security, at supporting the armed forces, and children's cancer is not a priority either for the state or for private donors, so we observe that although nominally, for example, that amount in the state budget , which is allocated to children's oncology, it has not changed, but taking into account that over these two years, we have had inflation of about 33 percent, we have had a devaluation of the hryvnia will give by 36%, then of course you can buy 30% less with this amount of funds than before, and the situation has worsened for funds, because it is extremely difficult to raise funds in ukraine at the moment, of course, ukrainian citizens, and ukrainian businesses, they

are directed primarily to support the armed forces, and to us the fact that children are sick with cancer, they are just as, or maybe even more, in need of help during the war, well, it is very difficult, so international donors were also certain.. . in the 22nd year of such solidarity with ukraine, where, in principle, for sure, funds that worked in any field received help, but then this situation of war fatigue came, other problems appeared in the world, crises, and attention switched to other problems, so it was necessary to reach out to an international donor and prove that we need help now, it is also extremely difficult, and we really need it. children also get sick, children need full treatment, timely and correct diagnosis and support during the entire patient's journey. uhu, mrs. yulia,

we understand that some of the children did succeed to be taken abroad at the beginning, but many remained, there are some children who were brought from the eastern regions, temporarily occupied territories, and they are not abroad, many of them are actually in the west, for example, ukraine. after all, during these two... years, unfortunately, some children simply fell ill, or they were diagnosed with oncology, is it possible to create new funds here, if existing funds receive help from some other donors abroad, and you say, we understand that they are already a little tired, but children are sick, and what does the provision of treatment look like now, during these constant worries, when children cannot be transported often, or they do not have the strength to walk. in fact, the majority of patients are currently being treated in ukraine, because we have all types of diagnostics and therapy that

were available before the war, and are available now, that is, there has been no rollback in terms of the level of treatment, even some hospitals are the most progressive, well, as an example, i can refer to our national children's hospital okhmodet, western ukrainian specialized children's medical center in lviv. even during their time they did not launch new types of therapy, new types of bone marrow transplantation, total body irradiation, immunotherapy and so on, that is, development does not stop even despite the war, but further financial support is needed so that these types of therapy can be used as much as possible more children those children who went abroad also partly return, according to our statistics, up to 20%... return back to ukraine, they first ran away, not understanding the situation, then, having been abroad, realizing that it is possible to continue treatment in ukraine, they are now

returning, and in general, according to statistics, at the state level it does not exist at the moment, we have a cancer registry, but the data will appear there only after a year, but according to our according to our own statistics, currently there are more than a thousand children with cancer in ukraine who need help and abroad, also somewhere near tasi, some of which will be returned in the coming months and years. mrs. yulia, thank you for what you said, unfortunately, there is much more to the discussion in this thread, but our eder is ending. thank you for the work you do. yuliya nogovitsyna, the director of the aid programs department of the pill fund, was with us, and roman and i will also say goodbye to you, and we will remind you that there is a ballistic threat from the belgorod region. the anxiety continues, but this game can be played together, as our armed forces say in belgorod cotton, for which we congratulate them. next, our colleagues will continue ether, and we will meet with you tomorrow.

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