the main signals to our allies , you know, to be honest, i paid more attention not to the speech of president zelensky, but to all the speeches of our partners, because in principle , what the president will say is obvious, and we support it, it is necessary to get more projectiles, more rap, more air defense, and actually ee... obviously, these signals have already been sounded many times, well, besides, i actually saw the press conference after the meeting with the vice president of the united states, kamela haris, where president zelensky was speaking that we understand that the usa has its own internal issues, but nevertheless, we believe that there is no alternative, and we count on the support of the united states, and here i would like to say what i just saw.

alternative and i emphasize that the words of the minister of defense boris pestorius, that is the minister of defense of germany, that the usa should not be counted on, because regardless of the results of the campaign, whoever is in the usa, the focus of attention will shift from europe to indo- the pacific, that is, the indo-pacific region to the near east, i in i absolutely agree with him, because... the complexity of the origin of funds in the usa now shows that we need to cement our position in europe, and in this regard there are both positive signals and some, well, that's enough, let's say sensitive issues that will still need to be resolved with our european partners, mr. valery, well, when we talk about the joint speech of president zelenskyi and vice-rez. of the united states kamala harris,

she emphasized that the united states only has a plan a, and it is about funding for ukraine, but the ministry of justice of the united states is simply demonstrating today for the first time that there is actually a plan b, and it can also work. we are talking about the first 500,000 dollars of confiscated russian funds for ukraine for ukraine, which were transferred to estonia for it to implement accordingly. support for us, and this is actually the first, if i'm not mistaken, precedent that says that anything is possible if you really want to, i've said this many times, the joseph biden administration has a lot of tools and there were, by the way, which they partially use now, i want to say that the aid to ukraine does not stop, because there is still the supply of those allocations that were there before. that allocating

funds and putting a checkmark there is not enough, we need weapons that are needed at the front, so these weapons have not yet arrived from previous promises, in addition, there is, for example, such a tool as id, which is excess defense articles , well, they are called those that have already expired, for example, atakams missiles can fall under this, and the price on these, just... from weapons that are replaced by newer ones, and in fact can either be sold somewhere or destroyed, they are also set, you know, not at their basic cost, so the ceiling of 500 million under the eda program allows the current administration without congress even though now to solve these issues in addition , it is clear that the package that will be further considered and more than one week, it would be a very good signal so powerful to all its... and the main thing is in flint, but the usa has

various means to support in the future, including military and technical plan of ukraine. the only thing i will say is that money , as it turns out, is necessary, but it is not a sufficient tool, real weapons are needed, well , for example, the usa wanted to take weapons from ecuador, which were left over from soviet times, to supply them with newer ones, but... instead it turned out , who agreed to the beginning of ecuador, now that russia has blocked them from bananas, they said, no, we will not supply them, so the bananas went further equatorward to russia, so you see, here we still have to look for how to do it, and europe is talking about absolutely specific things now, and we have not heard this before, i liked the statement of defense minister borys pestorios that ukraine should help ukraine and it should win, and

even more... you said that you should not talk about some kind of fatigue or some incomprehensible development of events , ukraine must win, and we must think about how to make maximum efforts for this. so in principle the mood has already changed and i feel that europe has turned over and is taking the lead, at least it seemed to me, frankly, i'm not very happy as a person who a lot of work was done in the american direction, and not only by the ambassador, that the european statements, i hope, actions, well, look more ambitious now than those of the united states, that is, there will actually be... a certain pause even if we receive the package, so we need now our to transfer the views from the constant monitoring of what is happening on the capitalist hills on a daily basis to such capitals as oslo, as well as the countries of norway,

denmark, japan, south korea, pakistan, i.e. countries that have funds and weapons and... and obviously france, germany, great britain, poland is a key such, well, group of countries that can act powerfully in this regard. poland, it's true, we have certain problems now, but i hope that we will also return the level of cooperation with poland, especially since minister of legal affairs sikorsky, whom you see on the screen now, he recently held meetings in the format of the weimar triangle, and there they jointly expressed that it should be strengthened as much as possible. european participation in helping ukraine, but tell me, mr. valery, if you return to the capitalist hills, how you understood for yourself the statement made just yesterday by the speaker of the house of representatives of the american congress, mike johnson, after it became known about the murder of the russian opposition leader alexei navalny, he said that this is such a crime at

a time when congress is looking for the best opportunities for aid to ukraine, and this is being said by a person who constantly emphasizes that she is not ready to introduce a bill on aid. ukraine for the vote of the house of representatives, how to understand it? well, the statement itself pleasantly surprised me, it seems logical that this statement should be no holidays, there is a recess of the house of representatives, but a quick decision. i will tell you that the senate met at night, even there two senators used a filibuster, that is , delaying the vote, but nevertheless the senate voted. and even... there, as strange as it will sound to us, they had a super bowl game, and as a rule, on such days, they just stop working there in the evening, here no, here they did, the house of representatives is somehow calm, that's all left, so i don't look at statements anymore, mike johnson could take

more independent steps, not constantly to consult with donald trump, and there is a statement by donald trump that is not... he already said at one of his meetings with voters that we are not against helping ukraine there, moreover, well, in his speech he said that it was joseph biden who would surrender ukraine, and i, on the contrary, defend ukraine, well, in his rhetoric, but then he said, let 's maybe allocate a loan to ukraine, and not direct money, well, that is already some kind of situation, you are really right, some statements, they show that we have gone too far ... this group of maga and this group of republicans who joined it in the blocking of issues, but i, unfortunately, cannot say right now that this already indicates that the issue will be resolved in the coming days there, this will not happen, and i emphasize that there are

opportunities in the current administration, kamala hares, vice - the president says, there is no plan, well, i would say so, until the struggle for plans ends. well, the president of ukraine also said that he expects the package to be accepted, but look, the same package can also undergo some serious changes, it has already undergone changes, so we have to think about where we are now to produce projectiles, where to get projectiles now, the statement of the president of the czech republic, the czech republic, mr. pavel, is more encouraging to me, he said that there are several million possibilities that the czech republic has found. these opportunities are 800,000 only for the 155 caliber, but only money is needed, but if there are such statements, only money is really needed there, it is necessary to concentrate as much as possible now on these moments, where to get money, well, in principle, there are partners who can help at

this critical moment, it is also japan, it is also norway, by the way, it is still necessary there, despite working actively, let's say acting duties or sharje de. ferros is ours, but an ambassador is needed in norway, and the military atsh is still needed in norway, so, by the way, the activists of our advocacy programs there also talked about it, there are such things that need to be done. immediately, uh, mr. valery, in the context of the munich security conference and what was happening around, two security agreements have been signed: ukraine with france, ukraine with germany, i understand that these are similar framework projects, actually what we already have with great britain, and when we talked about it with you at the saturday political club, a little earlier, you remarked that you don't have any special ones. hopes for similar, i emphasize once again, precisely framework documents that do not require ratification in parliaments, which

in many ways reduce future dangers to ukraine to additional consultations and so on and so forth. do you still think so, or does the fact that there are more such documents and agreements, preliminary agreements, whatever, mean that in general we are strengthening its position in relations with partners. of a key plan, in terms of diplomatic work, this is normal work, when relations are deepened, cemented to some new level, indeed already in two years of such partnership relations, those documents that were before, they are definitely outdated, and therefore now it is correct to call them security agreements, they really make it possible to somehow fix the level of relations, which is actually being done, and look ahead there. er, to somehow set some guidelines, well, in fact , these documents are similar to agreements in their form, well

they are agreements, but i confirm again, they are not as long-term as it says 10 years, because if the agreement is not ratified, it can be terminated six months before the stop, at any time, by any party, which actually it is written in them, even more so, in the german agreement it is written that... everything depends on the bundestag, the parliament, what amount of funds it will allocate, a lot of wording that is inherent, for example, in the joint statement of ukraine-usa, when president zelensky was in washington and signed with president biden statement, but it is not much different from these agreements, that is, in fact, i understand that in the long term they play their role, but in the short term from the point of view of some... well, the creation of a security umbrella around ukraine, well, they are nothing

to us yet, not that they do not guarantee, this word may be wrong, even the commitments that are taken there, they are still those that are already being carried out today, they are just more structured, and if this is already the implementation of the g7 statement and those there 25 countries that will also accede have acceded to this declaration, that is, we will have these 30 documents, but there will not be a single, well, honestly, not a single alliance agreement where the country is ready to fight together with us, and in this regard, i have no major issues with diplomacy, this is a constant ongoing work, and as for our position as a common state of such a state, can we ensure the key goals in the near future, that is, there is no answer yet, because the question of... joining nato is postponed, it seems that the question was asked by people's deputy

oleksiy goncharenko, a possible successor ginsek stoltenburg, the current prime minister of the netherlands, rutte, is considered there , a direct question: the washington summit, can there be an invitation, he said that in his opinion, as with the european union, it will be gradual again. such a piecemeal , chopped-up process, that is, unfortunately, we currently do not have an answer as to how we will protect ourselves from russia in the system of collective defense, self-defense that we have today, it does not answer, and i am not only saying this to ukrainians , but i constantly say in communication with partners, it does not correspond to the level of threats, and to actually threaten russia, it also made these attacks against nato, against european countries, but... it only entered ukraine, as, well, from their point of view, maybe more, well, and it’s true, more

realistic goals at that time, but i i think that in europe the understanding that they can face russia much faster directly is growing, and finally they will produce more weapons, only now the question, in fact, which i have not heard the answers to, where they will stop russia, there is already a consensus.. .. what about this russian regime, well , it will not be possible to talk about anything, but where to stop on your own the eastern borders, as they are now concentrating it, or after all on... more profitable from my point of view the eastern borders of ukraine, but jointly. there are no answers to these yet, and this conference has not yet given them, but the dynamics are obvious, that is, to put it briefly, there was a very obvious challenge from china, which was voiced by the head of foreign policy,

well, not the ministry of foreign affairs, but rather a party department, in the group , which deals with... said that china claims control in its part of the world, that is, it is the first, second, he said that china does not consider the budapest memorandum as an obligation of china, it concerns ukraine, he said that china has undertaken not to launch a nuclear attack on ukraine, well, actually, as well as on other countries, and it sounds , you know, in these conditions, on the one hand,... it can be confirmed once again that any russian nuclear blackmail is impossible, i think, well, you can only play with it there in the information space, so the answer is already given, but everything else , unfortunately, the issue of collective action has not been resolved, while there are countries that still they hope that somehow it will be some kind of pause, and after this pause there will be no further

development of military operations. by the way, in europe there are much fewer such illusions. and i would say that this is a cardinal suf that took place in nato countries, the european part. but by the way, mr. valery, what you are describing from the point of view of the situation with nato, and with the answers regarding our possible accession, is the same concept of the gray zone that viktor orban spoke about recently, that if we want ukraine preserved as a state, it should not be in either nato or the european union, it should be a buffer between us and the west, that we were late in 2008 for its acceptance into nato. well, in principle, this is precisely the statement of prime minister orbán that will be negative in response to such a direct threat, and why then does he abandon, well , his allies, he abandons them in quotation marks, but it is unfair to estonia, which has a border with suhaldol, latvia, or, for example,

even the same poland, which with kaliningrad has a border with russia and through the suval crossing and such... quite unstable belarus can also be hit, i already i am not talking about the fact that you can talk as much as you want about the threats that, according to the report of the munich conference, are now reduced in many countries in relation to russia, well, it is thanks to our heroic actions of our armed forces of ukraine, the defense forces, but they do not understand one thing that the first the north korean-made missile, which was launched by the russians, will fly with it. multiton to them and everything, and their all these priorities, climate change or weather changes will end, or even there terrorist threats, they will rethink it in moment, and the people who deal with this matter, professionally, intelligence, the ministry of defense , already clearly understand this, because the flight time of missiles and their capabilities, we see from what distance they are launched on the territory

of ukraine, so i agree with you, so far it looks like it's thinking. in the concept, uh, if so, discard all the statements so beautiful, everything is equal, well, at least, as they say, until the end of the war, but in fact we remain in this buffer zone, and this is, at least, unfair, and at the most, i think , threatening, because many people thought before that it could save them, now they will think so less and less, and the next actions of russia, we know, russia, as a rule , acts... absolutely illogical, senseless, and they will show them this , i think that the rethinking will happen very quickly, that ukraine should be inside the alliance and europe, and the ukrainian border, precisely the eastern one, is absolutely natural, and it will be better to protect it, and in principle, it will be cheaper for the

taxpayers of the same european countries countries for the future, moreover, i will tell you, well, me i said all this and i ask... do they realize that a million people motivated, ready to die for their country european security, they will not raise it in france or germany, that is, as it happened in ukraine, this is another factor , which they have not yet faced with this, so, well, everything is logical, yes, but , unfortunately, political thinking, it goes much later than those experts, intelligence and even the ministry of defense, who see these threats much better. thank you, mr. valery, valery chaly, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america. we continue the important international discussion with serhiy vovko, director of the center for transport strategies. congratulations, mr. serhiy. good evening. well, the complete blockade of the border of poland and ukraine since february 20, despite the change of government, despite optimistic statements about the stabilization of the situation, everything

continues and even gets worse, well, if this happens, i still hope that there will be a healthy silence, it will be first of all, a shot in the leg, not so much ukrainian as european business, for the simple reason that imports from europe to ukraine. is in twice as much, about twice as much as what we export to europe, so first of all it's going to be a significant problem for european and polish businessmen, that's the number one issue, the number two issue is that at the moment the dependency ukraine's export routes to europe are decreasing, and this is also a fact, since we have ports, the main export of ours now goes to the port. because it is simply cheaper and logistically more profitable. the third aspect, and it is definitely very important, is what we need to be very clear

to distinguish and separate our own legal right to protest, which we all respect, as people who are in a democratic value system, and the violation of the law, that is, where the violation of the law begins, the right to protest ends, so i think that the primary task ... for today, it is actually to separate these corridors of solidarity, which are used to ensure the security of ukraine, and to a large extent it is the security of europe, i will certainly not say much about it, into a separate category, and accordingly, any encroachments on these channels, they should be considered as a violation of the law, and in the end , first of all, again, it is in the interests of the polish side, because, well, i don't have any information there, but you can't... not think about that , that this can also be some element of a hybrid war, and in this way , the reaction of society is simply pumped up and, in general , just a simple possibility of blocking

transport communications, which perform a number of functions, including military ones, including ensuring security. please tell mr. serhiu, considering that donald did tusk meet with denys shmygal and were there any attempts to draw up a road map for resolving the situation in general? at the same time , donald tusk emphasizes that it is difficult to find a bigger sympathizer of ukraine than himself, but there is also food security. ukraine poses a logical question: what can we do, what can we do in response and how long can we tolerate it. on february 20, if all border crossings between poland and ukraine will be blocked from the polish side, then in response ukrainian carriers plan to block the crossing point on the border with poland yagodyn dorogusk. for example, there are many ideas on the topic of what we should do with polish goods on our shelves, whether it is worth investing in it, if they

allow us to handle our grain at the border, and so on and so forth. my question is the following: not only are we interested in the fact that the transport connection between our countries is preserved, and the matter here is not only in grain, how much is poland interested in us now? ukraine is the first to enter. in ten the largest export markets of polish business, for example, we exceed even such large countries as china, or even the united states of america, so for a number of product categories, in particular, it is the export of poultry to ukraine, which is very large, despite the fact that europe is talking precisely about the fact that ukrainian poultry poses some threat to european business, it is the export of cheese from poland, it is the export of fruit and other products, certainly for a whole range. product categories, it will be a very painful blow, it is the loss of a large ukrainian market, which will suffer if the poles really block it. in my opinion, here, of course

, there is definitely a business component here, we need to grow up, we are entering a big market, the big eu market, where very often no one is waiting for us, which is already largely structured and divided, and therefore very often indeed, we need to look for opportunities for cooperation in this market, opportunities to logically and legally defend our interests, and this is very important, for example, in the segment of the same road transport and road carriers in which polish business sees a certain threat to himself , it's just more understandable to me, since i'm a person from the transport business, the same certainly applies to agrarians, but this is the logic, you block us, we'll block you, it's clear, but it will primarily be profitable , we understand ourselves. to whom it will primarily benefit russia, which, by the way , has increased its supplies to europe 10 times this year, that is, russian

supplies to europe have increased 10 times, then... of the same grain, of course, it is quite scarce categories for europe, for europe, it is primarily hard grain, grain of durable varieties, but nevertheless it is a fact, that is, it is also an export of russian companies through the baltic countries and other countries, this is what europe should pay attention to, and this is what really contains a certain threat for the european market as a whole, and in the end we perfectly understand that the money they receive... from this export, wherever they go, they go to finance the war in ukraine, a logical continuation what war can be like in europe, so this is where you need to understand and this is where the difference needs to be drawn, and artificially , excuse me , to put two consumers in such positions, i.e., depending on the situation, you don’t take ours, we don’t take yours, it’s still a road to nowhere, and it seems to me that it is necessary here this story

should be depoliticized as much as possible in... in some cases, when there is a direct violation of the law, as it was, for example, with scattered grain and other blockages, it is necessary to act through law enforcement officers, not through politicians and market dialogue, and separate ways really solidarity into a separate category of infrastructure, the encroachment on which is considered, well, as a crime, i have no other words, let's ask a very simple, very simple question, why in hungary, which, let's say, is not exactly... friendly, probably, i'm putting it mildly, to ukraine, there is no such country, because there is a different legislative regime, here is my simple answer, well, maybe it is also a question of a political nature, pre-election, you see, in hungary nobody cares much about elections, to be honest, in in poland, there is always a pre-election period, parliamentary elections, local elections, there will be elections to the european parliament, then the presidential ones, they live in such a regime all the time, and of course, they can envy viktor orbán, who is there, well , sometimes something in him shakes, but not so

much that he thinks about his... political ambitions in such a in this form, of course, in this form, yes, i completely agree with you, but it seems to me that it is very illogical, which they have at the moment there, i do not remember what their positions are in the confederation, but this, if i say marginal , not the main party, probably i won't go much against it, you are more of an expert in politics, it cannot take bilateral trade relations of two countries hostage, and it is obvious that the emphasis is on blocking. it is done precisely with this idea, precisely with the idea of ​​maximum publicity, but in the coalition there is a polish peasant party, which cannot risk the votes of the peasants, well, of course, there is, i agree with you that there is a political component here, but the political component cannot come forward at the throat of the same polish business, which, i will repeat once again, exports to ukraine much more than it imports from ukraine, and in the end indeed, there is a large component of polish business

, including, ah... business, which is cooperation with ukraine, it is beneficial, if you, guys, in poland have distortions with the import of grain from ukraine, you have some questions there about pesticides, for other things, let 's solve it, but let's solve it through normal trade, depoliticized negotiations, and it can be done, we have quite decent negotiators for this, a sufficient level of control and other things, but if you speak the language... well just lose two sides, uh, maybe us we will lose more today, but tomorrow poland will lose because of this, this is obvious and this , well, excuse me, is not a mouton bino, it is very simply calculated, it is very obvious, we understand that not only polish goods go to ukraine through ukrainian - the polish border, can other countries use their leverage here,