i will tell you that with any involvement of destabilization, this is a very bad story, although it can really lead to the fact that the war will no longer turn into a war of one in the defense of one country, ukraine, moldova may be involved, further, we will see further , that is, what will happen next, so raise the stakes in this way. say escalation and threaten even more, putin can, and the kremlin can do it, what does this mean for us militarily, i don’t want details now, let the military experts talk about it, but nothing good, but there is nothing good in the development of such a situation, which has already been tested by them, really at such and such congresses, especially in the international legal status, this is an occupied territory, essentially moldova. so

the top of the military there, even what they have and the people there, they, you know, why they started all this, i'll just tell you to explain why they're holding a congress, they want to get improvements in its economic issues, because moldova had it worse, it is paradoxical, but in economic terms from the point of view of moldova, chisinau has worse conditions than transnistria, they have now equalized and they are outraged, how come, we will earn less... we will earn our corruption money, i.e. both direct and corrupt, that is what the problem is, i.e. they want to scare , that putin will come if you don't deduct our corruption, corrupt profits, that is, they are, but how it will end from the kremlin's side, i don't know, the kremlin can take advantage of it, we understand that it is all controlled from there in russia, they don't have independent decisions, that is, that's why i would now, well, let's say what for...

so, in practical terms, our main intelligence department reassured us, but i hope it reassured us in terms of information, on the ground, as they say, appropriate preparations are being made and we will have to be careful, well, actually, we are in a state of war and we have to keep that flank under constant control anyway, and i to clarify, more than 6 thousand, i was wrong, not 50 thousand, because it ’s 7,500, yes, somewhere around 6-7, well, as of... in 1995, i looked at the numbers there, 6.5, the very end of our conversation, i’m interested your opinion, does the ukrainian state have ukrainian diplomats now to talk before march 17 and especially after march 17 about the illegitimacy of putin during the election in the territories temporarily occupied by russia and which they consider their own, and this territory is part of... the ukrainian

state, necessarily, necessarily, moreover , now, it seems to me, we need to talk about three topics: the first is absolutely to continue the topic at a new stage, this is the russian self-proclaimed capture of the un and the un security council, the first, the second, it is absolutely clear, they will not give up these attempts to demonstrate something there in the occupied territories, small the fact that the elections themselves in russia, we know how they are conducted and no one recognizes these standards, but even in... the occupied territories, there must be a clear recognition of the legitimacy, at least yes, if not by the whole world, then by part, of democratic education , this should definitely be done, if they do not agree, if they cannot agree, then , excuse me, what are we talking about, then putin will receive another signal, and a third one, i think that after that it should be much more simple more dynamic, more active to understand that in russia

there are already some such changes, the opposition, that you they said, there won’t be a next time, russia already putin and russia have shown that they took a one-way ticket, and they just need this one-way train, not in the direction they think, faster, and if putin is not recognized putin’s legitimacy as the next president of the russian federation, what consequences will this have for him and for russia? it depends on which circle of countries will do it, how it will sound, he is already a criminal according to the definition of the international court, he is wanted, that is, where he is in the countries where the roman statute has been recognized and ratified , he does not go there, that is, but it must be very important from the point of view of aggression, war, that is, we should not under any circumstances recognize, there is still such a moment here, you understand, we cannot hold elections, yes , because we...

are in a state of war, that is, we have questions, and we understand that here suddenly neither of these nor of these, the aggressor is holding elections in the occupied territories, well, it is clear that... this is a demonstration , there will be nothing there, but they, they just write down their matrix , this parallel education, and then we will all demonstrate, we cannot let them create a parallel reality, because now this year will be very important from the point of view of fighting in another space, in the space of narratives, messages, these fakes, that is, we have our model, and the true model is now clearly formed again as integral, and in this... putin's illegitimacy should play one of the key roles. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation, it was a diplomat, the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, valery chaly. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our own

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a poll, as we ask our viewers whether zelensky should run for the presidency of ukraine again, i i think that he has not made up his mind yet and is thinking about it, let's tell him... let's tell him whether he should run for president again or not, marino, i like facts, and i want to remind you that the program includes the pre-election of... mr. zelensky, when he was still a presidential candidate, it was written about one term: plus on the internet you can find his public interviews, i don't remember which publication it was, but he was definitely wearing such an emerald sweater, and he said there that friends, i am going exclusively for one term. well , there was a third such moment recently sociological surveys, and more and more ukrainians are inclined to the opinion that mr. zelensky should limit himself. one term, and not because people there are against or

opposed to zelensky or hate him, but simply that it looks absolutely adequate, because the person had such a term once, yes, which, probably, for four, given the intensity of events will be compared thank you, maria, what do you think, should the president go for a repeat, i wanted to say, a second round, huh? for a second presidential term, you know serhiy, from warsaw i missed a bit where the discourse about the second term actually came from, these days, because everyone is absorbed in the blockade of the polish-ukrainian border by polish farmers, everything that is happening in this section in the political plane, i know that we will talk about it again talk, but if it's already... such a discussion, well, first of all, let's say

that i'm in one term, especially since it 's already clearly going to be longer than planned, well, and secondly, after all, well, here i would like to focus on democratic countries, in which it is somehow less common it happens when presidents serve two, three, four or five consecutive terms. this position is held by the same people, of course, according to the ukrainian constitution , it is possible to hold this term twice in a row, yes, but we understand that now there are objective reasons for this that make it impossible, and i think that it is worth first of all to concentrate on getting our victory as soon as possible, after that to hold an election, about the election of maria zelenskyi... asked fox news, and bret bayer, who did a big interview, and this night,

last night, this interview was published, just as zelensky was talking about the fact that he has the most support from the people, if the elections were held, they would elect me - zelensky said, so it is not necessary to say that i am trying to stay in power, i would win the elections, if they were held - zelensky said, well, that's why he himself... admits in his answer that he can win the elections a second time. let's return to this interview, because in principle, it turned out to be a landmark and so far the only one on the eve of the second anniversary of russia's great invasion of ukraine, and in this interview, on the american television company fox news, zelensky tried to emphasize how he sees the war, how he sees the current situation and what will happen next, we will go through this quite briefly, because it is... very important, tomorrow, february 24, and exactly two

years ago, a great war began, and this week, 10 years of the russian-ukrainian war, but what zelensky says in an interview with an american television company, he says that the ratio of losses of the ukrainian military to russian is one to five, and that exactly - said the president of ukraine, let's hear. we know about tens of thousands of people killed, tens of thousands of children were deported, we know about it. if you compare the number of dead soldiers, i would say the ratio is one to five, for one ukrainian soldier who died in battle, there are five russian soldiers. these are approximate statistics. i have only one question, colleagues, and why is he saying this to an american... an american television company, and not to some ukrainian tv channel, conditional or single telethon, or

inter tv channel, or 1+1, and why all this statistics, well, you can roughly calculate how much it is, if one to five, and look at the statistics of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, you can roughly understand the number of losses during this war, and raahamya once said that this is not necessary at all hold everything you have to talk about it because people need to know. marina, how do you assess the fact that zelensky is always oriented to a western audience for some reason and always rebroadcasts everything that is important. countries on western television viewers? well, because i will remind you that with from the very start of his presidency, mr. zelensky decided not to treat his own voter as an adult, and this was very clear, for example, it was followed in the format of new year's addresses to the ukrainian people, you remember, once there was an address when

zelensky went to kindergarten kindergarten and there , against the background of children who were... for 5-6 years, he talked about what awaits us next year, and unfortunately, during the war of a full-scale war, when ukrainian society needs information, needs trust in the ukrainian authorities, for some reason mr. zelensky decided to choose exactly such formats of the conversation, and so, unfortunately, we learn about such key decisions from interviews with foreign publications, or about the resignation of an employee, for example, it was also... a public analogue, or , for example, such a very, very triggering, screaming statement that related to social assistance to ukrainian refugees, it sounded for a german viewer, at that time, at the same time , there was no such thing for a ukrainian, for which mr. zelensky went to give an interview to the fox channel news, according to my information, in principle

this is also public, they also wrote in separate media, about four months ago, the office of the president of ukraine finally... decided that they do not communicate enough with american voters who support the republican party, and not only this trump group, but republicans in general, and with at that time, they decided to push their messages more actively through fox news, and fox news is such a huge mouthpiece specifically for the republican audience, given the fact that mr. zelensky has not had any communication with trump for a long time... is taking place on the second anniversary of the second anniversary of the full-scale invasion, he decided to give this interview, i will immediately note that the format in which this interview took place is quite successful, mr. zelensky went to the city of kupyansk, there literally in a few kilometers from the front line, and here we see there in such

living nature, there a fire was lit even in the frames of some. zelensky tells us how ukraine lives, there were even very good drone shots, yes, how the city looks now, that is, the picture is not bad, it seems to me that this form was chosen not by chance, and this is the message , the answer that the fox news viewer saw after that famous interview with putin and kerr carlson, well, the only thing, you know, that catches my eye. it is obvious that this mr. journalist, brad bayar, who came to do this interview, he was not very prepared for a trip to the front line near the city of kupyansk, because you know right away, those white jeans of his are catching my eye, but from the statements that mr. zelenskyi told there, well, i can say that a good statement was about financial assistance from

of the united states of america, will ukraine survive without the support of congress, of course, but... not all of us, the price of help now is less than putin succeeding in ukraine. is this statement true, does it correspond to reality? yes, did such a laconic statement make sense to the potential american taxpayer, who now essentially finds himself in such an inter-election struggle of his own in the 2024 presidential elections. about trump, yes, if he came to ukraine, he would see everything with his own ears and hear own there. ears too, i am happy to welcome any of the candidates to presidents, anyone who is the leader of the houses, too, thank you, lord, a normal message, finally, maybe the ukrainian authorities understood this mistake of theirs, which was not only there after the early zelenskyi, but also the previous presidents, who did not you can place all your bets exclusively on one presidential candidate

who is running for the position of president of the united states of america, well, definitely about... the elections about the elections, well, it was zelensky's own statement, she, you know, how to me, as a citizen of ukraine, she not very nice because it feels that mr. zelensky is not reading all these ratings correctly, the trust that is being given to him, or certain people who are bringing these ratings are not interpreting them quite correctly, because i would have won the elections if they had taken place, well, there zelenskyi's trust figure is high, but... i always correct everyone who says: oh, zelenskyi has a great rating, i say, look, it can be an impersonal rating, of mr. zelenskyi's physical person, but of the institution, the president. as a person who won the democratic elections of 2019 and got a huge mandate of trust from the ukrainian voter, these are slightly different things, and

it is felt that mr. zelensky still does not fully understand what this figure of 64% support is, according to the latest survey, which was published just a few days ago by the sociological, especially marina , is the trust rating of the president of a country at war. that is, it is not a sign of equality to zelensky, but rather to the institution of the president of ukraine during the war. maria, as zelensky, in your opinion, looks inside the state and for export, is there a difference, here is the export version of zelensky and the domestic one, as much as they match these two images, you can and know both images and can. i can also say about them, how it looks for export now, these days, when we are there, well, we mention about i understand, i understand,

i will only say that i will briefly note here that yes, these are completely two different images, internal zelenskyi, zelensky is for export, and we have all now agreed to consume this zelensky for export, because the war is going on. and we criticize the government much less, criticize, in particular, the president and the supreme commander-in-chief, and once again, we currently agree that the main messages that we also expect, as an explanation from our authorities, we will receive from such interviews as volodymyr zelenskyi's interview with the fox news tv channel, if speaking in general about this interview, i will say that , in my opinion, it is very good that zelensky attacked him and did it in such a dignified way, from the front line, as if emphasizing

the cowardice of putin and his henchmen, putin, let's recall, sat during an interview with tucker carlson in a comfortable chair, that's what it looked like as a real criminal and tyrant, but who at the same time leads, gives instructions. volodymyr zelenskyi looked like a responsible leader who is where his people are, and actually addressing an audience of americans who may not understand the need for assistance to ukraine, who are supporters of donald trump and the isolationist policy of the united states of america, is a unique chance, and perhaps not everyone will change their opinion after this interview. but if even every tenth viewer out of 3x-5 million thinks, so what after all, he likes something about this guy, it seems to me that it was definitely worth it,

because in developed democracies everything is decided by society, and politicians follow their lead, and this is actually the biggest flaw of democracy in my opinion in the modern world, because more and more the number of members of these societies are primitive, poorly educated people, and if they rule the world, then with such a history, we... in fact, risk ending up in a cave age, and what else can we say, that in principle, uh , yes, currently the president communicates with society primarily through his daily video messages in the form of a blog, which are quite effective and a good way of communication during the war, but the main thing is that it does not become a habit, because this way of communicating with society is not... there are opportunities to put questions, but it is important to return to this after the war, but we ask questions on our broadcast, we ask,

friends, whether zelensky should run for the presidency of ukraine again? everything is quite simple on youtube, but not if you are us watch it on tv, 0800-211-381, if not, 0800 211 382, ​​if not, leave your comments under the video on... our youtube channel, and since obviously not all of our viewers watched this video of zelensky's interview, we will go through two more positions of this interview in order to have an idea of ​​what zelensky actually said to the western world first, and it is good, of course, that he appeared on the fox news channel, where there was a boring two-hour interview with putin, where he tried to present a pseudo-history of ukraine and russia, zelenskyi was more accurate in his statements and said that putin is an inadequate person who poses a threat to the whole world, in particular to nato. let's listen to

what zelensky said. putin has broken all the red lines, he is an inadequate person who threatens the whole world, and claims that he will destroy nato, and he will try to do it. so, when the world understands that, well, then that's it. so, at this point, the war will end. well, in another fragment, he specified that a diplomatic end to the war is possible only on the basis of the ukrainian peace formula under the condition of liberation all temporarily captured by the russians. territory, let's listen to this fragment : my signal is that we don't want to repeat the minsk agreements, but for the rest of our territory, no new frozen conflicts, we don't believe that, and i don't trust him, about the negotiating table, when we get ready, when there will be a document that will be based on our peace formula, our main document, and when we have

the support of the... world, then we can look for ways to talk to russian representatives. maryna, what do you think, have you heard it in the world and in the united states of america, in particular , here is the clarity of ukraine's position, and it will not be any other way, because just half an hour ago i had valery chala on the air, he says that in november and december, some american circles held negotiations with .. with moscow about what is the possible peaceful solution to the current situation, moscow insisted exclusively that the ukrainians have, not even the ukrainians, but that the united states of america must recognize the new territorial reality, as the russians say, that is, recognize these territories , which are now temporarily occupied and fixed even in some agreement? well, zelensky's words are completely understandable, because

he always says a similar message. on all international platforms and in all his interviews, but here we should not forget that the western elites, including the american ones, they were formed in the system invented by the recently deceased henry kissinger, yes, and henry kissinger, he decided to lead bridges with china, he was loyal enough to the ussr, and then to russia, and there called putin a good... leaders, conservatives, and you understand, when the world exists, the western elites existed there for 70 years in one paradigm, it is very difficult for them to adapt to something else. unfortunately, the current american elites are people of an older generation who are used to considering the russian federation as part of the western world. so this western world in the form of russia, it was specific. russia waged aggressive wars.

against her neighbors, which she considered to be my colonies, i have the right to wage these wars here, it also applied to moldova, it also applied to georgia, now it applies ukraine, yes, the 11th year has already passed, and therefore the western elites must, must be given a couple more options, okay, if we do not return crimea there right now, what other options can we have, of course, we must not give in to our geopolitical aspirations, it is obvious that there is no need to sign some e... the crap that we were offered to sign, for example, in istanbul, where ukraine was actually offered to destroy the armed forces of ukraine, to de -nazify the ukrainian population, how to de-nazify it, i think everyone understands, to put to prisons the most riotous, yes, those people who were always the drivers of the maidan, revolutionary changes, reforms, such options do not suit us, but we have to understand that there is a lot of

current in the world, there are a lot of... political forces and politicians who will gladly concede the interests of some state, which they consider unimportant there, far from them, for the sake of preserving relations with the russian federation, this is an objective reality, and therefore we need to think over plan b and plan s. maria, but tell me why in your opinion, during the last two years, the great russian invasion of of ukraine. there is no unity among our western partners, what should be the end of putin's russia, that is, putin's russia? oh , sergey, well, you asked the question, of course, i think that the whole world has been searching for answers to this question for at least two years, but if we talk about why there is a lack of unity, well , because the democratic world is just very slow out of his shell of comfort

and...slowly evolving into thought.