diligent implementation of measures of cyber protection , demining, production of weapons on the ground , some of them may require a presence on ukrainian territory, without crossing the border of hostilities, that is, in fact, this is what you said when explaining the capabilities of nato countries, but what do we have now to do in order to activate this process, what can be the recommendations for our authorities, well , i would say here that what we... this has already happened in the baltic countries, what i mean, in general, our vision, our understanding, what is nato, that we give divisions, or more or less, and put them under the command of unified nato structures, in a big war, this remains, remains on the agenda, but since the 14th year, a different process has begun within nato, when saw what was happening , which, how organized... russian aggression in

the baltic states was launched a little bit different process, then the mini ministry of defense of the baltic states, they identified the resources that they needed to strengthen their own national defense, even without the participation of nato, as organization, without article five. and then the mechanisms were launched, and the united states and european allies launched those resources, placed them, deployed them in the baltic countries. and built them into the own defense of these countries , that is, now there are nato units that should come under, well, other countries that should come under the command of the baltic countries, if it begins, not even because article 5 is not included, but russian aggression begins, i i think, for us, the main thing we can do and the fastest and most understandable thing is to offer our allies, namely, how we currently lack resources

in defense, well, in addition to human resources to actually fight on the battlefield, what resources do we have, what are our weak points, where we need to strengthen from headquarters structures to engineering units, where we would need such, well, such a fast , well, a quick inclusion, and accordingly tell our partners, and what we would like from macron’s proposal in... in practical terms, in fact , then president zelensky’s answer, which was so vague enough, is probably a consequence of the fact that we probably have this process is happening now, we cannot say clearly, but we are already considering it and looking for the most optimal versions, but i would then like to add that, relatively speaking, the transformation of the alliance there is one way or another connected with the transformation of the european defense industry, especially for the leading european countries and... where

can there be new opportunities for ukraine? we have already talked about this several times, but the very process of dynamics, that is, of the european defense industry, as it seems to me, creates new and new opportunities in certain aspects, which we do not have to miss in this process, we must not miss two very important european processes that concern the defense industry: the first is when when... single procurement funds, joint procurements are created, when different countries combine their budgets in order to to jointly purchase a certain weapons system, and the second parallel process to this, when international alliances are created, european defense enterprises that these orders must fulfill, that is, collective orders, for example, the a400 aircraft, yes purchased, airplanes for airplanes for...

nato 90 helicopters, typhoons, eurofighters, because of such mechanisms, when a certain european fund is created, and an industrial alliance is created, on the other hand, which fulfills this collective order, now we see, that is, for example, the european peace fund, there are various other structures that bring together, well actually what the french say, they say that in europe... there are alliances that produce missiles, produce stormshadows, produce scalps, produce , well taurus, she is more national like that, and even sempts, anti-missile defense means, they are collective, they are european, and if there is a good, well, such a mechanism to help ukraine, it is to create a european fund, not an american one, but a european fund from which it will be financed. about the creation of such,

the creation of weapons for ukraine by european alliances, we must not miss it, and in the matter of involvement at the stage of financing. and at the stage of involving our defense enterprises in this joint european production. well, by the way, as i understand it, france is going this way, because when she talks there about a coalition about artillery or a coalition about long-range means of impression, in parallel it says that a fund is being created that should use resources to purchase these models, but there is somehow a bias in the french proposals for their models, there, this guy is french, the missiles are french , the impression is that the french give a little less weapons to ukraine than to germany, but are trying more to load their defenses, isn’t there such a certain, well, dualism in the behavior of the french, there is, of course, that’s why it is necessary

to see in france what this country is, it is a european political leader, but in matters of money and all these matters, well, they have... interests, of course, the germans have a lot of money, the french want to use this money for loading, loading, primarily of our own defense industry, and there is a big dilemma for us here, because the germans and ours and now the czech republic, well, in general, our partners are closer to us, eastern europe, they believe that european funds should be used immediately in order to get a weapon for of ukraine. where it is, if it is in the global south, it must be bought in the global south and supplied right now, because there is a shortage right now. the french proposal is that this european money should be used for production in europe itself, including for

ukraine, but in europe itself. therefore, it is necessary to combine. i don't think there is such a universal solution, and you can't say that what france is saying is... a universal solution, it's important, a very positive solution, but what is being said about the defense industry in france, it is rather a joint defense strategy in the perspective of 10 years, including against russia, and what germany and the countries of eastern europe are saying is what needs to be done already this year. oleksiy, i would like to ask one more component of these proposals of macron, is this not happening, well, finally, the erosion of these ? red lines or i don't know what color lines regarding the fact that nato should not get involved in hostilities there on the territory of ukraine, and this step of blurring these lines was probably one of the impetus for these of putin's traditionally harsh statements during

his speech before the federal assembly, where he began to talk about if the troops there enter our territory, realizing that hinting that ukraine is their territory, yes, it is there... makes use of nuclear weapons and so on, but still this moment of blurring the lines, does it not exist in macron's statement, or is it my assumptions? i think it exists, it’s clear, it’s obvious, it’s one, it’s not only being discussed on the french side, maybe on the french side there is such a political reasoning, well, if the russian troops and mercenaries in france where french interests are in africa. their presence, well, they have the courage to say that they are ready to help ukraine with troops, near the borders of russia. there is an element, not only this element, there is also an industrial element regarding the fact that, unlike american missiles, french missiles can be used against targets in

russia, this is political leadership, well at least against legitimate targets such as iranian missiles, i think, here no one will deny that ukraine can inflict and this... even stoltenberg said that, well , you can strike at certain targets, it blurs, that's for sure, and it must be said, this is also the biggest blurring of these red lines that putin drew, well, 20 there in february 22- th year, the french, yes , in a political sense, this is just a colossal blurring, even the destruction of these... my lines, and that is why it is very important in a political sense, in another sense, other aspects, we said that there are, well a difficult situation with the defense industry and with specific weapons right now, but in in the political sense, this is a huge step. mr.

oleksii, thank you very much for these important, specific accents related to macron's statement, from the position of france at the current stage, i think that it will acquire new capacities very much. thank you for the inclusion , i will remind our viewers that it was oleksiy yezhak , an expert of the national institute of strategic studies, where we talked about the fact that there are certain external resources, reserves in order to support... having ukraine in vienna with the russian federation, we see , that these resources are acquiring such new trends interesting from the point of view of the possibility of using the military of foreign countries, eu and nato countries on the territory of ukraine to perform certain functions that are not combat, but which have a significant impact on increasing the potential of our armed forces, on our defense capacity from defense to specific tasks related with the provision of the front line. and then we... talk about internal resources, because in fact there are aspects that can also be

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the fight against the russian federation, and now we will talk about a somewhat unusual thing about the potential of combat brigades. usually we think that a brigade is personnel, equipment, training, and all this together makes up the combat potential that we see on the battlefield, but now our brigades carry one more unique thing, they... fight , they generate content, we see our boys and girls fighting on the battlefield, the war is getting closer, we react even to what the warriors themselves say, we see them fight even with more credibility than even the spokesmen of those or species or military branches, this is in a certain way, well, a certain unique phenomenon, but it is also important that the way the brigade fights, how it accompanies its actions, creates an additional effect of force that can cement and strengthen

the entire society, for this there are certain markers, there is an understanding of these processes, and how it happens, how can it be scaled, we will talk with our next guest, we are joined by hryhoriy lyubovets, one of the heads of the communication and content security center, mr. hryhoriy, congratulations, i am glad to see and hear you, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, tv viewers. today we will try to take this one topic that you and i discussed literally on the eve of this program, that our separate brigades, in particular we will take only the third separate assault brigade, which demonstrates a new approach not only to combat operations, because it is effective and effective, but he creates such a whole information field with his actions, and this field has such an impression on society itself, and maybe there are... some things where the team itself correctly caught some existing trends, and this

gives the, well, cumulative effect the multiplication of force that we see now in the actions of the brigade. maybe i'm a bit like that here, well, i'm explaining it in a confused way , i would like you to make these main points, what important things are happening around our combat brigades, which are showing the best performance on the battlefield, you remembered just the third stormtrooper and they said about... about the novelty, and here i would say first of all that this novelty, it is essentially, that is, they have been engaged in this for a long time and... qualified, it just turned out that this potential is legalized, and here we should also mention our general sirsky, who supported this trend, because he already spoke about the third assault brigade and the 25th brigade in his public generalization, indicating that

these units are truly unique. in a way they did a very good job and it came out, that is, it was what was declared by the third assault plane is truly world-class, and here i would still like to note that we, scientists, and in our center of communication and continental security, and in the military institute, a window in our research center and management , we are talking about, first of all , the potential of modern publicity, because this very aspect shows how units can, and already on this example, active, important, and i would say, they are really unique, because the level of an assault brigade,

which operates in the first mode and represents itself. it is the most valuable world- class content, why world-class? because we, just researching modern publicity, have reached and can claim that this publicity, based on the actions under the cattail, krasnogorivka, and eagle, is just the level of attention of the world, we call it gloo gllocality, i.e. combination. local with global, on the other hand, the question of content is precisely the question of the level or place of confrontation, and here we also insist that the modern, modern confrontation that we, i.e., ukraine is doing it, it is precisely opposing

genocide. aggression, not just war, not just conflict in legal language, namely genocidal aggressions, and this complexity of this understanding and term should be shown, proved, indirectly through different levels of content, so that our partners, so that the world understands the extent of the challenge of destruction, or total destruction. concerns not only ukraine, not only avdiivka, settlements near avdiivka or krynkami, but this is a training ground for destroying everyone, why? because the putins are on today, together with their accomplices in terrorist regimes

, they are forming a new one. economy, terrorism, and war crimes, we immediately rose to a sufficiently high level of perception of the problem, and i would like us not to deviate a little from the brigade, so why is the peculiarity of these content or informational things generated by the brigade, why is it the basis of the new army, and why it is, let's say, higher than, conventionally speaking, the soviet scheme of management or information dissemination, because conventionally speaking, when crew generates content, it doesn't fit in at all. in the habits of the soviet army, that is, we understand that we have a different coordinate system, so what is the difference in the coordinate systems, when the brigade acts in exactly such conditions, acts, fights and talks about its actions itself, that’s right, let’s talk, you i was stopped, why i said all this and very high level, because this this high level

of glocality, it requires just new tools, i just wanted to go. before that, we practically have to produce content, we have it, we just need it to legalize, it is necessary to systematically approach its presentation, again, why, not because you and i are talking, or someone thinks so, or we have researched, but because the world regime of precisely this theater of military operations, which we call the level of global communication -content space requires this content, otherwise... we will lose, then our american partners will say: we don't believe that they are winning, and we don't understand how they win, and you know that democracies in general they believe to people, and when people they say when they see their faces, why the soviet army was always interpretive, someone spoke for someone, one spoke, the second

spoke, the third spoke, never spoke, the first reason is that today we have the level of people who protect ukraine, europe and the world is of such quality that we need to show them, so it is not very easy, it is difficult, but here we need to form systems, and here... just the third stormtrooper correctly took the principles, and here we need to pay attention to nato standards, this is trust and respect , trust and respect in the defensive line is when you are not you can even leave wounded, because you , for example, in the calculation of a large-caliber browning machine gun, where there are three people, and they understand that if you leave, they will not be able to work with this powerful tool, so the question of... attention and trust is precisely the issue of this environment, but the organization of content production from this level is also

a systemic action, and here the question is, and to whom all brigades, for example, we believe that it is primarily, including assault brigades or units , which produce primary content, i.e. original content, so it is necessary to teach what... to do with it, it is necessary to limit some things of a tactical order and so on, but what we have to show, we have to show the power of energy, style and spirit of our e-fighters, who are not just working, there is such word , i think is quite correct, but complicated: they protect and save the world, the world in terms of everything that is peaceful people, and here is also one of the serious things, which ... today has become very objective, what is humanity and what is peacefulness, you can also talk about it for a long time, but the content of the position of a person, from the position of the actions of the unit

, from the position of the history of relations, and from the position, by the way , of discourses, for example, the culture of gratitude to the military, the culture of modern veterans and the culture of honor, military honor, and we today... say that this is all - it is already the honor of the defense forces, today we practically received information that ukraine, the ministry of defense confirmed the annual plan for relations with nato countries, i.e. nato ukraine, and this is also a question about what we should raise, including in these measures , question content, and we are talking about content-communication processes, more precisely communication-content processes, this is a matter of struggle, struggle for ourselves, struggle for everyone, struggle with ourselves, by the way, and struggle so that we have results,

we, by the way , we have them, we have the results at the rate of a minute, we once talked with you in the 14-15th year about the content of the shot, when someone fired from that side, we have to accompany it, and now we have the summaries of the ministry of defense, statistics. .. where we destroyed dozens and sometimes hundreds of units, and we don’t serve it content-wise, let ’s serve it not only with numbers, but also with content saturated with knowledge, how this or that thing was destroyed without tactical features, but in fact, in what way, with what complexity of the terrain or simply in general, we have to show it , then then let us to arms then escort. the destruction of weapons , of course we will get there, but then let's start, the heroism of the people on the front line, the casualties, accompanying the casualties and ensuring

gratitude to every soldier who died, how should we do it, so that it really matters a culture of gratitude, a culture of honor, there are peculiarities here, in relation to losses, a very complex, you know, a very systemic thing, it is a technological thing, and i would still speak here in the mode of... well, the same third assault, this their patronage service. their patronage service is a very powerful thing, because it is the patronage service not only of the serviceman, but also of the families who are involved in this process, either already or in the future. it's a very serious motivational thing about being a soldier who can transform into a fighter and then become a warrior spirit, practically understood that he performs everything. and then, when he really has some kind of loss, that is , he might be wounded, so that there would also be this system of his escort, you know, how much

a serviceman from scratch. it is very difficult to then come to a conditionally civilian city, he does not understand what is happening here, and his first reflections are very difficult, and we have to explain that it is thanks to him, if it were not for him it would not have happened, therefore the culture of honor and the culture of gratitude and it should already be programmatic, systemic things, so we have to talk about respect and trust in environments, in fact, the multiplicative synergy of functionality in the environments of connections at the level of units and interchangeability, that is, we are practically talking about people who are more people than just military, and this is very important, because the whole world must understand that ukraine is protecting them now in the mode of civilization , that is, to a peaceful human being, and not just some military personnel doing

their job well, this is not... correct, because before us is an aggressor of a different order and scale, an aggressor of a genocidal character who cultivates barbarism and terrorism at the level of awareness, that is, the cognitive reality they produce. mr. grigory, we understand this extremely important ideological and conceptual basis of the changes carried out there, in particular by the third brigade, other brigades, how to invest it in scaling processes. which structures should be responsible for this, where should these changes be ensured and their potential increased, who should do it, structures, people, at what levels? well, you understand that i do not have the authority, as they say, to give instructions to structures and people, but i am simply as a scientist, as a representative of the team scientific, i would like to state the following

, first of all, what i said at the beginning, it is necessary... opportunities, they will simply perceive it differently. in our version, especially since we worked with our colleagues and with the first press secretaries in the 15th year, still in the state of ato, we... we believe that it is necessary, by the way, then this initiative came out, but it did not end, then it was offered a three-level system, the first level is the press secretary, but with the staff, unfortunately, it turned out that there was only one, or there were two, and you need a staff, then we have to talk about the press, or more precisely, the communication and content office, and most importantly, we have to talk about communication and content services, this is

the level of the state. and practically the level of what i mentioned ukraine-nato. why? because we also have to produce discourses, and discourses are connected things that emerge in the local world, from the local to the global and vice versa, so that it does not happen that our military very unclear, for example, political games in the same america, which is a strategic partner for us, why? because there is a lot and little information. adequate information passes from citizen to citizen, so we have to ensure it. i think that a combination of research, scientific, applied, veteran potential could provide the answer, and you practically also provide the answer to this, because your work is also very necessary, why? because you produce thought and responsibility, you and i are all responsible

for everything that... happens every minute, we we say, our guys protect us and give us the opportunity to talk about it, we really need to act here. mr. grigory, thank you very much for these explanations, i think that we will return to this concept that you have developed again and again to convey the directions of changes that can give such a multiplier effect to strengthen our defense capabilities in such unusual dimensions, although in fact the informational dimension is common and important, as well as... the dimension, thank you very much for participating in our program, let me remind you that it was grigory lyubovets, the head of the communications and content security center, which now works as well for the needs of the armed forces in such an asymmetric version. these were the main elements of the search for external and internal reserves and resources to fight the aggressor, we see that this potential exists, we hope that it

will influence the situation as soon as possible. working on the front line, stay tuned.