beliefs or ethnicity, let's say, both ukrainians and crimean tatars are persecuted in crimea, solely because of political position, the court in gaza tells us, and it is very difficult to agree with it. iskander bariev, head of the crimean tatar resource center, member of the mejlis of the crimean tatar people, is in touch with us. eskander, you are welcome. glory to ukraine. good day, glory to the heroes. salam aleikum. well, i think the first and obvious question is, what do you think it is related to. iskanders such an activation right now again persecution for religious, in fact for a national sign, and is it really there , as grisya said, that a new batch of these fesbsh aliens has arrived there, or is it, well, i mean, you can definitely see it, because the crimean tatar resource center monitors all this carefully and every day, please, well, first of all i... you correctly

said about this that in what way, well, this is also related to the decision of the un international court of justice, and because right here, i would like to draw attention to the fact that immediately after that decision, but in relation to the crimean tatar resource center, that is the crimean tatar resource center was declared an organization that we do not wish to be an organization of the russian federation, firstly, secondly , we are... we know about many that there are many searches and arrests, but we cannot talk about all of them, so that the relatives of these people try, well, they really ask us not to talk about it, and here, too, there is such a tendency that when they detain a person at night, they take him out, then promise that if he does not talk about all this out loud there, then they they can let go. so they are some people

released, and then, and then it also provides information for others, that for the family, for each one, it is more important that a person is free, and than in prisons or other cities, than freedom, and here, as far as we know, many they conduct searches of people who were involved or are involved in... local and regional minzhlisas, such searches also took place in simferopol district, nizhnihirsky district, and other districts, and people don't, don't want us to write about it , but we still collect information and record, although i do not agree with by this, i believe that it is necessary to talk about it, it is necessary to speak about it out loud, and most importantly, it is necessary to record and document it, because unfortunately, unfortunately, it is precisely the decision between.

the people's court was like that because there is insufficient evidence base, as it says in the decision, the lack of evidence base was presented by the ukrainian side, so here we need to draw conclusions and more often and more clearly document all these violations of human rights that occur on the territory crimea, unfortunately, there is such a trend now. in crimea. ugh. we see that not only the crimeans are now being detained by the russians. crimeans of crimean tatar origin, but also crimean-ukrainians. today , there is information again that two citizens who were recruited by ukrainian special services to carry out terrorist attacks have been detained in crimea, writes gauleiter aksionov. he is very

grateful to the fsb officers for their efficient work, and apparently we are drawing, unfortunately , the next, maybe even political prisoners are emerging, or again, this is purely a game of muscles, why aksyonov, kostantinov, and the eye and the whole sable now so it's important to stay on the agenda, to demonstrate your effectiveness, which, to be honest, is under the big question, it's efficiency, perfect, just perfect, yes. well, look, the point is that initially full-scale aggression of russia against ukraine, here, just like before, this did not happen in crimea, when explosions began to appear there, when damage to the climbing plane began to appear there, when effective military operations began to be carried out there , let's say subversive actions, and this is just right, including in terms of information. and the fsb, and so on

goyuleiter, like aksionov and konstantinov, should constantly inform the residents of crimea how effectively the power structures work there. positional power structures and how they find certain people. in fact, this is what happens there: well, let's say , the fact that our activists are there is true, the fact that our activists are trying to help us is true, the fact that our activists are trying to demonstrate as civil resistance, well, when they appear ukrainian flags, when the inscriptions appear, and when they are provided, information is provided, how things are going... something happens, with all that, when they try to hide, well, for example, if an air alarm starts in them, then they, and first of all it is in sevastopol and in perch, they use such a smoke screen

so that it is not possible to take pictures or to record on video how their air defense systems work , and for this they are trying to do all this, and besides, of course... people did not see all this, well, on the other hand, when we talk about all this, then here they need to demonstrate that something happened there an explosion or something, well, or some kind of event, then they alone immediately begin to search among the activists, among the representatives, let's say , people who had something to do with the royal court system. they conduct searches , kidnap people, first they torture them, and then provide information, and besides, they created such a civil, i would say so, a facebook civil movement, and both bloggers and smersh, bloggers try

to participate in all activities , which, well, let's say, including cultural events, and try to find why there is nothing there russian or why there is something ukrainian in order to start an information campaign against these event organizers, well , on the other hand, when we talk about smersh, they are the ones who first come to these people who spoke out there in support of ukraine, or spoke out, well they honestly said that this is not the svo , but a war, but they come to them, torture them, then try... to get them to resign publicly, and then anyway, the fsb and the occupation forces open administrative cases and punish them in the form

of fines or arrests iskander, i would like to to ask you to make such a volume of one more, well, it is related, but still , we see it all the time. well, almost every week, they detain new spies, saboteurs in crimea, and i simply want to know what scale this spy mania was on the occupied peninsula, who they take , how they torture people there, force them to actually sign these suspicions, as they call the occupiers, i don't know what exactly is happening. with this part of the repressions in the crimea, well, first of all, when we say, how are they on all this, well, in first of all, i want to say that all, for example , members of the local majlis, and there were more than 2,500 of them at the beginning of the occupation

, they are on their pencils, and they are directly in pencil, and they speak directly, well, in a direct text , that you are all on our list and... when we need to, we will come to you and search you, this is firstly, secondly, further, all these people who are trying, let's say, something in including using social networks independently of the russian federation, here it is necessary to they mean facebook and other things, they also try to react to everything, so... many of the residents of crimea are not very active on facebook at all, and as for the people themselves, they have not started to educate or

re-educate here since 2014 yes, people so that the neighbor could trick the neighbor there, or they start sending their agents to... in the mosque there, or they put on the phones and collect information, that is, in this way they look for any information that they could get hold of. .. then spend all repressive actions, so people are more and more intimidated, but all the same there are people who are still ready to fight, and we, for our part, constantly inform that they should be protected as much as possible in terms of protection systems and so that they are not the occupiers have come. i know iskander, well, you know all the more that the occupiers have such and such

software, which allow, well, in case of detention there, to see even those messages that were deleted to the owners of the phone, to the owners of, i don’t know, ipad , tablet, computer, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, ah, and maybe there are some other nuances that i don’t know about, nuances that can... there help people, pro-ukrainian people, our people, there somehow , well, not completely, but at least partially save yourself a little, allow , not to allow them to repress our best people there, there are some tips, some security technique, i don’t know , well, first of all, really, a specialist, he can find that information, even if it has been deleted , and that’s why we offer to change the gadgets there,

which use, this is firstly, secondly, if they already use social networks, and first of all, when it is used and communicated with us there, for example, there or with people or relatives on the mainland of ukraine, then we advise using the signal, because it is more... more protected, we do not recommend actively using it, unfortunately , many people use telegram without knowing it, because indeed telegram is actively used, it is actively used by the special services of the russian federation, and that is why we constantly talk about it, in addition, we suggest that, let's say, these people... who communicate with their by relatives, i don't mean activists or

others, you need to use other gadgets that you don't use every day, for example, this is very important, and you really need to check all your, well, let's say publications that were previously in order to really maximize ... all this, especially, it concerns these activists who are possibly on the lists of the occupiers, and here it is very important to foresee all these processes, well, it is clear that no one can guarantee himself anything and in no way can himself secure in the occupied territory, but these are the tips in fact, they are correct, do not ignore them , i am asking all of you who are watching both in crimea and in other occupied territories, to divide your gadgets into public and non

-public ones, so i have another question for iskender bariyev, is staying, well is in prison in siberia, the first deputy of the midjlis, the head of the midjlis of the crimean tatar people, our colleague and comrade nariman dzhelyalov, and now his fate is not remembered much, unfortunately, well, in ukraine they are remembered, but also not much, the attention of the entire world community is drawn to navalny, to there are other russians there, but a long-term convict is sitting in a carriage house in russia, the kremlin, and we must constantly talk about him and remind ourselves and others that this is not just a citizen of russia, whom they imprisoned there illegally, this is a person who forcibly deported, which... pressed simply because she lived in her homeland, what can you say about what

is happening now with nariman, how is he, what is there, which, which, what information do you have, and in general, you know , and the second question, immediately, many do not understand why the kremlin does not leave crimea, everyone, well, or there are the most active, that there is danger, etc., and really everything is very bad, occupied. the great war, what motivation do people have to stay in crimea even under such pressure? i apologize that there are two questions in one, but please, i think it is necessary to start with the second, i will start with... the second question, because, well, first of all , it is very important for the crimean tatars that the indigenous people remain in crimea, and therefore that in the future development and preservation will be primarily connected when we all leave

our, let's say, ties with crimea, this firstly, secondly, it is very important that... not just be kept there, but it is very important that they maintain and preserve their identity, so really, when we are still talking now, including returning to the un international court, here, thanks to the activity demonstrated by the representatives of the crimean tatar people, as regards education in the crimean tatar language, we can clearly say that they really tried to close two... schools in the crimean tatar language, it was in the village of annovka and in the town of stary krym, and thanks to the activity of teachers, the activity of parents, the activity of people, they were forced to leave these schools, and they did not close them, that is, this is an example

of when you can demonstrate the struggle, demonstrating the struggle, let's say, more with... preservation of identity, yes, indeed, they are still trying to close the crimean tatar class and the dynamics show everything about it, they are looking for other opportunities to close the crimean tatar schools when they change their status and increase the study of the russian language instead of the crimean-tatar conflict, this is also happening, but here it is very important that such actions related to all these processes are effective, unfortunately, i think that... that they will put more pressure on people after the decision of the international court, because they refrained from such actions, that is why they were forced to close schools there, unfortunately, i think that in the future they will put more pressure on destruction in order to destroy the identity of the original

crimean tatar people, as for nariman jhelyava, and this is true. .. queue symbol of the struggle of the representative body of the crimean tatar people, the mejlis of the crimean tatar people, because he is the first deputy of the representative body of the crimean tatar people, and now he is in minusinsky, that is, in siberia, and there he really is in a colony, he is with him, including our compatriots from crimea, and this is good in my opinion, because... what do we understand when you are primarily among others, i.e. other citizens, who have a different mentality and other things, except when we say, well, let's say , intelligent for repair dzhelyalov found himself among, let's say, including recidivists and other things, and here it is very important that there should be

some kind of support from the inside, which concerns the situation in general, now from the crimea with... 84 people are in the territory of the russian federation in colonies, and exactly 125 of them are representatives of the original crimean tatar people, and it is really important for each of us that we maintain ties, that we try to provide them with help and support, and we, for our part , are looking for an opportunity to and there is... and among, say, russians who are trying to help in some way, but now the conditions are different compared to full-scale aggression, and indeed the situation with political prisoners, on the territory of the russian federation, is very difficult, and here we really need to talk more, more about this

issue, and in addition, the crimean resource center works systematically and... we see, well, in relation to international law, we see more of such a perspective for , say, exchange, just as we first talked about the battalion named after nomanachijahan, and on the charge of involvement in battalion named after chilibzhikhan, more than 35 political prisoners are now in the svobody prison. and in our opinion, if they are recognized in ukraine. as prisoners of war, for our part , we will do everything within the framework of international law so that they can be exchanged, because exchanged political prisoners cannot... be beaten in relation to international law, although this also happens, but here are prisoners of war, precisely because of the third

geneva convention, they should and can be exchanged, and here is precisely the mechanism according to which we could at least free and exchange 35 fields that are in the cities, we also understand that a large number of civilians, who in particular are trying to... carry out what is called civilian journalism within the peninsula, already when professional professional journalists were unable to do this, and iryna danylovych and mykola semena, we also remember these people who actually suffered from the repressive russian machine, an extremely complex story, and we must fight for them, for civilians as well, but search... some options that the russian federation would take, that is, putting them in an uncomfortable position, this should be our goal. now let's take a short break, mr. iskender, please

no, don't disconnect, because there are still a few questions that i really want to ask you, in particular, how ukraine feels about crimea and itself with crimea and without actual control over crimea in these 10 years the president, the ukrainian military, and our friends from abroad spoke their word this week, let's remember it, let's emphasize it, stay with us.

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every weekday from 20 to 22 at espresso. we continue the project, razom beraber, a joint project of the espresso tv channel and the atp tv channel. khrystyna is with you. yatskiv and ayder muzhdabaev, a as well as skandar bariev, the head of the crimean tatar resource center, a member of the myzhalis of the crimean tatar people, as noted this week, they talked a lot about crimea, and very aptly, the president actually noted, and the forum itself is nicely named, on february 26, 2014, the war began in crimea volodymyr zelenskyy said, today we remember the events that took place already 10 years ago, took place in the ukrainian crimea, when our peninsula was... stolen by russia, and when , together with the russian occupation army , humiliation and abuse of people entered our crimea, repression and fear, this cruel war , which is currently going on against ukraine,

was born by russian revanchism precisely when it felt that the world is capable of turning a blind eye to such crimes, to such annexations, to such mockery of people whose homes are simply taken away, and here too it is important , in fact, that the ukrainian military and ukrainian representatives of the ukrainian special services do not ... remove the topic of crimea from their attention, i would like to listen now to the representative and head of the main intelligence department , kirill budanov, what he advises, in particular , to the population that remains in crimea. russia lost a quarter of its ships and was forced to withdraw its fleet to the coast of the caucasus, redeploy aviation, because airfields and military facilities in crimea are constantly under our fire influence. i want to emphasize that we are proud of our successes. we are very grateful to the residents of the ukrainian crimea, who not only strengthened their resistance to the occupiers, but also found the opportunity to quickly monitor the entire situation on the peninsula and

to pass this information to us as soon as possible. podanov emphasizes that it is the inhabitants of the peninsula who are the irreplaceable source of information and help then with additional intelligence on the results of the work of the defense forces, all this is done by people who remain in crimea, and kyrylo budanov still persistently warns civilians against using the kerch bridge. i think that purely technologically, with military analysts, experts, we will more than once analyze whether. realistically and in the most realistic way to destroy this object, a completely unnecessary infrastructural object, which connects, you know, like some kind of bond, our crimea and the russian federation, but i think that our defense forces have their own plan for this, sure of the need and in the reality of returning control over crimea to ukraine, and boris johnson, the ex-prime minister of great britain, apparently everyone thought

that putin would never give it back. they say, it’s not worth even trying, so they thought, let ’s try to help ukraine win back the land bridge, but now people are saying to themselves, first of all, it is possible to return crimea for real, - says johnson, and if you look at the infrastructure, logistics, there is great opportunities for the armed forces of ukraine, so i agree, there have really been changes in the way people think about crimea, - said the british politicians, it would be good if these changes also applied to the minds of high-ranking officials from the european which directly depends on providing us with the necessary weapons, the same tauruses would be very helpful in the operation to liberate the crimean peninsula, but of course we are waiting, waiting, we are waiting. mr. iskender, how is the military situation changing on the peninsula, if we can track it in general, we understand that there are civil initiatives, there are paramilitary initiatives that work in connection with...

the defense forces of ukraine, for example, and also regularly and openly reports that they transmit information, and even integrate into the russian army in order to receive this information, how is it changing, are we following this, the russian military contingent in crimea, can we say that those logistical routes and are still the main ones for them, or are they already looking for an alternative, well , first of all, i want to say that... any territory cannot be taken under control without the support of the local population, and therefore different forms were used in different wars, in that including informational, agency and other in order to be able to influence from the inside. as for crimea, pro-ukrainian forces have been here since the beginning of 2014, they have remained even now, another issue is that it is very important for us that the number of...

ukrainian activists and pro-ukrainian citizens remain more, despite what is happening and the partial mobilization continues, that repressions and other actions are taking place, this is very important, because it concerns not only the resistance during all these years, it also concerns the future reintegration processes, because without people, without the population, we will not be able to do such reintegration as quickly as possible. well, as for the russian military or our compatriots, i will finish with our contemporaries, then really here we are talking about the fact that there are civilians who, ordinary citizens, activists who try to provide the information they can in within their competence, and here they can provide some, or we

can tell them how to creatively do something in crimea, so that it would be for them it is safe, and on the other hand, that the pro-ukrainian spirit and the spirit of freedom in various forms constantly appeared in the crimea, and that's exactly it, well, i would say that in some way it works out in our country, for example, when including. it is important for us who among the occupiers or goal -leaders, or rather collaborators , participate in partial mobilization there, who is actively propagandizing there, let's say the so-called svo, who uses the letters ztv there, and we, for our part, collect this information about these people here we are already doing various information campaigns, and including providing information to the competent authorities of ukraine regarding other

categories. these are people, including civilians.