football, stronger together. i welcome you, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel, the program studio zahid. we will analyze the most important events of this week. our guests today are roman bezsmertny and oleksandr morozov. our first guest is the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, roman bezsmertny. glory to ukraine, mr. roman, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, mr. antin. mr. roman, what, now we see, we feel that putin is using a certain window of opportunity. in particular, we, when we talk about the situation in the united states and when we see the projection on the great front of the russian-ukrainian war, in particular in the east. extreme activation of the enemy. yes , we understand that the united states will mature sooner or later, but the critical situation

is already now, now the diplomatic artillery will enter the battle, and the first such signal is two initiatives, one of which came from ankara, which was presented by the president of turkey tayyip recep erdogan, regarding the fact that he will provide the council with a platform for dialogue, negotiations, and secondly, the special envoy of the people's republic of china rushed to the trip lihuy an interesting thing is that the spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs of china, maoning, and answering the question of a journalist of global times, this is a newspaper of the chinese communists, about what, in principle, is the purpose of this trip, she. said about such things that here

very, very subtly went through and named in fact both the reason and the goal that the situation at the front prompts the parties in the view of beijing to give it a high probability of dialogue. it is clear that , in this situation, envoy lihui could not first go to moscow according to the instructions. and such a meeting took place with the former the ambassador of the russian federation to japan, just in the period of the events of february 2022, and now the deputy of lviv, where the meeting took place and in the final, final information for the mass media it was said that in moscow, i almost quote, china. and russia

reached an agreement that it is inadmissible to consider the issue of the ukrainian dialogue without russia's participation. at the same time, this is no longer in the chinese statement, but it is in the russian one. all other unilateral initiatives from both the west and ukraine only complicate the situation, the way to a possible dialogue, it will seem strange to someone, but at this very moment and in these very days, starting from february 28, because this story started to run and this operation started to work from february 28, in foreign affairs, one of the most popular foreign policy publications , in particular , yesterday on the 5th there was an article from... the authorship of two

well-known experts in this field, samuel charap and shapiro, by the way, both of them are regular participants of the valdai format and conference, which is constantly held in russia, they are by the authors of the monograph known in 2014, which it's called the "ukrainian crisis", two dots, everyone loses. where written on several pages under the heading the path to diplomacy, or how to start negotiations between russia and ukraine, instructional instructions, how one and the other side should act and what to do in order to painlessly sit down at the negotiating table, this diplomatic artillery, it will strengthen.. ... its caliber in the coming months,

because the reason for this is not that the ukrainian troops left the soviet union. because this is how beijing presents it, this is how the two authors i mentioned above write about it, and the reason is that russia does not have the strength to develop these events, and that is why it needs to stop, it needs a pause now in order to gather strength, i don't know if they understand in ankara, from my point of view, everything is easier there, because erdogan solves his issues, because it begins.. the formation of next year's budget on the 25th, without tariffs, where there are no volumes of gas pumping, without trade with russia, which is growing for turkey, well, it is difficult to do, in china it is easier, china is simply following another

instruction of the kremlin and fulfilling its role diplomatic voyages, and we will see now how in this situation, brazil will catch fire, silva. delula, although the chair is already on fire under him because of the situation inside the country, but where are you going to go, how should you decide to implement the instructions that come from moscow and beijing, to be exact, now there will be new proposals from african peacemakers and so on, i think , that the saudis will be included and included and so on, that is, another storm is coming, even the first meetings. who spent lihui in europe, in brussels, he met with the heads of two departments, well, i will call it the ministry of foreign affairs of the european union, so that it is clear. it is interesting that the meeting itself, the meeting itself took place in a rather harsh tone, where

representatives of the european community very clearly indicated that if china continues to supply russia with components for such weapons as winged. missiles, as cabs, as planes and so on, the number of sanctions will increase, to which the position of lihui, on behalf of china and the ambassador of china to the eu, who was present at the meeting, was unambiguous: we do not send lethal weapons to russia, we oil in we don't add to the flames, we want to be constructive and... to add only chinese wisdom to the need for dialogue, i almost quote from what was printed, written, said within this dialogue, to which the european representatives responded rather harshly, that we are ready to exchange

information and be in dialogue, but china must draw conclusions, because china leaves no other option for europe. than to increase sanctions and reduce trade with china due to the fact that it actually helps russia to bombed ukraine. already from these components , a clear situation regarding the next months of maneuvers, which will be carried out by moscow, is formed. mr. roman, you very correctly described the two main tracks, they are the russian and the euro-atlantic track, yes, well, we, ukraine, also participate in the euro-atlantic track, but there is an additional track called the emergence of donald trump as a serious political figure , which can fundamentally change, it is not known in which direction

the situation, mr. antin, very wisely, it is not known in which situation, although from my point of view, today it is already possible to predict if the winner will be... trump, because i understand internally that knowing all the american elections, as far as i can say that i know, today it is too early to be sure that it is trump, but god be with him, our compatriots prefer to hear answers to this question, they want to hear arguments for, against, and so on. the situation that's unfolding now is damn near exactly the same. similar to the situation in 1979-1980 . let me remind you, this is actually the coming to power and the election of ronald reagan. probably those who remembers, or those who read it, know that

on november 4, 1979, 60 hostages were taken in tehran as a result of the seizure of the embassy. american diplomats, they were released, released to america on november 4, a few minutes later. when reagan took the oath, everyone broke their spears for a long time, what happened that on november 4, exactly a year later, they were captured, life will lead us through a famous military operation, which was called the rice plate, it was also called the eagle's claw, it had many names , where the carter administration... simply failed and within this operation , the military asked it to be canceled, although

10, i think 10 soldiers died, a lot of equipment was lost, but after a few minutes, as soon as reagan was inaugurated, the hostages were released, what happened when they asked the newly elected president royld reagan, what what did you do to make you so successful? achieve results quickly , he said, i did not do it, my people worked, after a few years it will be known that the so-called reagan people needed 40 million dollars to bribe the leadership of iran, including these the money also went to ayatala, not khomeni, khomeini, not khomeini, ahomeni, well, the predecessor of the current one, so that they would not give it away. carter as the president at the time of these hostages, the situation is

currently developing in this scenario, pay attention to when mike johnson was elected speaker of the house of representatives, you must remember that the election this time will be held, well , as it should be, on the second tuesday, that is, it will be the fifth tuesday, the first tuesday after the first, the first day off in november. pada, it will be the fifth number, the fifth number of americans will go to the polls, they will vote, depending on what, and from my point of view, few people here can say, depending on what, because it does not matter in principle, there will be some kind of vote, if similar decisions that were last week by the supreme court, which were decided in favor of trump, will not solve the problem. in advance, because including this vote, pay attention, mike johnson comes out of

the president's office and says: aid to ukraine will be voted on when it is necessary. a unique phrase. this phrase suggests that it is proclaimed by an inexperienced person, but by a person who is in the information field, who understands when the breakthrough may come, or from whom it may come. so this scenario that we see then in 1980, it is very similar in that it is now, years will pass, as it is now, because what i said only became known about eight, seven or eight years ago, before that, it was just after reagan's death that they started talking about it more, journalists started digging, found out about these funds that were transferred by the persians and so on. then a point was made, which is not liked very much, now, about which the americans do not like to talk very much, but in this drama that

is developing now, it is quite similar in terms of the scenario, and it must be understood that the americans , as well as the ukrainians, have people for whom absolutely everything is the same, how many of those who were held hostage died, how many american soldiers died who tried to save them, these are people with a completely different attitude.' their cynicism, their thirst for power, it pushes them to any steps, and trump's theme is actually the topic, well, the essence and content of what sometimes happens in politics, and here, when they tell me that trump says that he will be like that, mr. antin, i want to emphasize once again, i perfectly understand that whoever, how would not have come to power. his efforts brought down the soviet empire, and

i am convinced that the military lobby behind trump, if he wins, will do a lot to kill russia, and the thesis that trump will go to bed with moscow by the führer, they are aimed at the fact that the ukrainians are now beaten spears with trump. i warn in advance the ukrainian... leaders, there is no need to interfere in that process, as much as possible today, we need to get help from everyone, including the united states of america, but not to get into that process so much... that after november 4, you will regret it , that we intervened in this process, and i fully share the point of view of boris johnson here, because he is a person and an expert, and a journalist, a journalist, as a creative person, is given to feel these subtleties, and the argumentation that he conducts against trump,

it is serious enough to be ignored, so from my point of view... and these parallels of '79-'80 and the current course of events with the delay, the vote, in the house of representatives, they are very similar to all these things, to things, this is in the nature of republicans, they have not once passed through such processes in political battles, and i will say this now as a person who is outside the power processes. i want to warn and explain to ukrainians, ukrainian officials, that these american phenomena should be treated as american phenomena, what do we need now? you you know, internally i am more wary of the ukrainian power corridors and their inability to counter such things than of

society, the army and so on, because these things, the army, society, defense forces, they are... very stable and strong, but but the conflicts that arise all the time in the political system, and its essence is that there is one flaw that continues to live, the government ignores the opposition position, it is impossible and inadmissible to do this in the conditions of war, how many examples have already been said that happened and so on, because what will happen? as the situation will only escalate and some serious steps will have to be taken, the lack of this dialogue will definitely lead to a serious conflict in the capital on the streets of the capital, this is a very dangerous thing, therefore the idea of ​​national unity, which should have been implemented through the government of national

unity, through some coordination council of national unity and so on, it must be done, because... another thing like: they didn't release him abroad, they released him against him, they issued a non-excuse of the accusation, and so on. in information poly can lead to very serious stress. now one more thing: it is clear that in such a situation, the outside is activated. and here it is very important to distinguish between macron's idea, from the point of view of its rational content and essence, and the idea. kuey, who is simply moscow's envoy in the ukrainian corridors, because i want to draw attention to one thing: the spokeswoman of the chinese foreign ministry, answering the question of the same journalist, thanked the ukrainian and russian sides for constructive cooperation and objectively

informing beijing. i was a little surprised by this leveling, well for a dictator. in their red offices, it is typical to put the victim and the aggressor on the same level, i understand that, that is why in these 12 points there is no difference between ukraine and russia, there are both sides, it is only used that way as a last resort, but this thank you alarmed me a little, because it must be understood that both ankara and beijing passed by ankara. today, beijing is making sure that the belligerent ukraine, according to the results of this year, still gave 6-7 million tons of grain to the chinese, this is what is needed, just imagine, a belligerent the country, to the one who helps the aggressor, and also sells grain, because he has problems with food, and this representative is a minister,

the minister of foreign affairs at the munich conference, the minister... chinese one to christoph heusgen's question, why don't you fulfill the budapest the memorandum, he said, and we did not sign it, it was signed by the british, the americans, and the ukrainians, and when haysden objected to him, the security council voted for the document, then he added that we have nothing to do with the situation that has developed , so i have these sino-pokinese according to the script of moscow wisdom. already sitting in the livers, and the fact is that i want to emphasize once again, these are things that, from the point of view of diplomatic skill and all this, the club. which is spiraling in international terms, they are very dangerous, because we are only, only, only now passing through this turn, in which we almost

flew into kanava with poland, and now we still have a chance to enter the same picket situation with the trip of lihuwei, who solves the issues needed by beijing, his whole concern for... in this situation and about the termination the fire is only that it says, no more and no less, because last year china and russia gained 270 billion in trade turnover, in three months of this year on the 24th already +25, if you look at what is in this basket, then there is energy, there is industry, there is electronics, that is, there are microcircuits. there are rare earth metals, exactly what is needed to produce weapons for war. pay attention, nine months have passed since

lihuey traveled around ukraine, europe, where he talked about the fact that ukrainians should give the captured territories to the enemy, this time he brought another thing, that in order to talk about these things, you need to talk... necessarily with russia, this is thesis number one and thesis number two: it is impossible to realize your security without taking into account the security of your neighbor, you know what these words mean stands, ukraine cannot decipher you, mr. roman, ukraine cannot join nato, because it is dangerous for russia. if we also add what was written by charap and shapiro, who say that today it is important that someone from the entourage of the president of ukraine say that the decree about not holding negotiations does not concern only putin himself, and it does not concern ordinary people, and secondly, it is important that the kremlin

say, what mark in the territory of ukraine do they want to reach? when you read all these things, you understand that you need to have a strong nervous system, i say this so that everyone understands that they are agents of the kremlin, they will always show themselves. and they will always write all kinds of nonsense in order to nervously destabilize us, so i wish that we are the eyes of nonsense, all that come from beijing, that come from very money-loving americans and europeans, so that we can endure them , as for washington and whether or not the first lady will go to the speech of president biden, i will say this: every official, in addition to being human, has functions, and i can tell you how not a professional diplomat, that 90%

of the time you have to do the work that you don't like, but you have to do it because you were sent to negotiate, the enemy in front of you, or your imperfect friend or a friend with a sick head, that's the way it is, you have to make her this one. work, and when especially you if you need help, who are you sitting next to, what are you flying in, and what are you wearing, this is absolutely ten-fold, we all need to understand that there are situations in which, and this is mostly for diplomats, you do not belong to yourself, your role is to fulfill the function that you have to do, unfortunately, i have to end our conversation, i am sincerely grateful to you, mr. roman, for this brilliant analysis, i want to remind our viewers that now on the espresso broadcast... roman bezsmertny worked, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat. damn, stepladders, my legs can't walk anymore,

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represents. united by football, stronger together. oleksandr morozov, a political scientist, political expert, lives and works in prague, will be on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, oleksandr, i congratulate you. hello death that putin has now outlined, how far do you think he is willing to go now, and in general, what will be the collective response if it comes, because what is happening in the united states is extremely worrying. if you look realistically, the kremlin is now in this position: firstly, not only the blitzkrieg of 2022 has failed, it must

be admitted that the results of the entire... military campaign to date are much lower than what putin had hoped for, that's for sure. in some sense, this is a large-scale failure of the military campaign, a demonstrative example that many military experts are now paying attention to, the kremlin began to destroy avdiivka in march 2023. in october last year, 2023, a sort of assault began, which ended. until the end of february 2024, and whether the kremlin and putin are preparing a new one , there are no more tangible serious successes. when attacking? maybe, but it's not clear. and those who carefully observe this situation from the military side do not have a sure answer to this question. the kremlin's war is bogged down. this is a fundamental point. the

christian democrats faction in the bundestag insists that germany provide taurus to ukraine. this is a really amazing event, because they said about cdu and csu: bavarians fully support putin, they are guided only by economic interests. now the cdu takes such a firm position. macron has just publicly hinted to the kremlin that on the sidelines of conferences he attends, some speakers are publicly saying that european armies will have to be directly involved in the russo-ukrainian war. the kremlin reacts painfully to this. couch intellectuals laugh at macron, but the reality

here is extraordinary. an opinion, a new message that macron conveys to the kremlin in a neat form. finland and sweden join nato. an unprecedented process is taking place on the eastern flank. the ten-year military construction procedure for nato's eastern flank has begun. these days there is training there with a hundred thousand contingent in central and eastern europe. and the delay in the american military aid package that is now there is causing a lot of frustration, but the reality is pretty much what general austin, the united states secretary of defense, said late last year. military production received orders in 35 states of the united states for 2024-2025, and they will work. we can clearly see that...

european governments, the united states are setting themselves the task of increasing the production of projectiles four or five times. this is the reality after two years of war. and i would say that on the one hand, it is even very encouraging from the point of view that the kremlin is stuck in a state of waiting now. the kremlin is clearly counting on something to happen . create hussites in the middle east. problems, china will start something, the west will somehow decline by itself, ukrainians will get tired, etc. it such a state of waiting for something to swing in the kremlin's direction. but on the other hand, it causes anxiety.