on the eve of his elections in russia to the russian state assembly, and said that technically we are ready for the use of nuclear weapons, why do you think he emphasized the issue of technical readiness, well, that is, before all kremlin propagandists shouted about political readiness at any moment, radioactive ash and so on, and now i will emphasize... it is the technical condition of this entire system, their nuclear triad, and how can and should china react to it, given its traditional position? well, first of all, china is also rearming its nuclear forces, it seems i mean not that they create new warheads, but that they test and modernize missiles, by the way, most of the programs for modernization and the increase of this

nuclear component in countries such as france, great britain, the united states, china, and russia began 5-7 years ago. it is possible that there was a premonition, an actual increase in the importance of these things. china will now take advantage of what other nuclear powers declare, in particular, macron's statement caused quite a lively discussion, because france remains. nuclear state of europe union, they said something, well, there is a potential introduction or not exclusion of such a cautious wording, the use of troops somewhere in ukraine, after all, a nuclear state and so on, it causes a certain degree of rhetoric, to which putin reacted accordingly. china in this regard, it has already learned to distinguish where putin is intimidated, where putin is taking real steps, but for now at least the... basic

information on which everything around russian nuclear threats is based, that there is a certain agreement between russia and china, about avoiding the level of this escalation, she is being carried out, and the united states, through the mouth of the state depot, immediately declared that they did not see any movement, weapons and preparations there. although, it seems to me, in the case of a negative scenario of war, for russia to move nuclear weapons. they can start on their territory and no china will do anything to them in this case. another issue is that this scenario is not currently considered possible. be that as it may, but the entire nuclear club will pay more and more attention to the nuclear component, in particular to the carriers, there are ballistic missiles, supersonic and everything else, everything that will be difficult to shoot down.

that is, it is expected that the nuclear arms race will begin, the reduction of the arsenal cannot be talked about, and china will also work here, because in this situation we have to rely only on ourselves, but so far there are some such open signals from china about what they say in moscow it is necessary to slow down, it was not, they always, when they criticize moscow, then, as they say, one word against moscow, 10 words against the west, that do not... escalate, they will not escalate these, i.e. beyond the limits of his political discourse, xijin pin has not yet come out publicly, but he is also waiting for the elections in the usa, he is also waiting for whether trump will return, how these european statements will be confirmed, whether there will be a transfer of nato troops and the nuclear component in eastern europe, because there the poles gave signals that they are not against nuclear weapons on their territory, well, if russia can go to belarus. why can't, for example,

the united states or in france, in poland, although the french component is not controlled by nato, that is, these are processes that will take several more years, but the dynamics are obvious, this is a transition to a better understanding, a more important nuclear component in a potential future war. thank you, mr. mykhailo, the orientalist mykhailo yakubovich was on the air, and now we will take a break for a few minutes and continue our conversation. after this short break, please stay with us and we will be in touch. there are discounts on noshpa tablets of 15% in pharmacies plantain bam dooshkad. do ordinary things become unreal? heavy bags are not for my sore back. from back pain, try dolgit cream. dolgit cream with... reduces swelling and improves

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even if they are not interested, we have to take a look from time to time, why androphages, as they say, and in the russian federation extremely interesting things. another presidential election of putin is taking place, oil refineries are already blowing up with enviable regularity, we have had very cool hits literally in the last night, and of course, we have certain events in the territories bordering our state, but all this in the complex does not at all speak of any stability in the swamps, don't you think, it seems i don't know how much putin is interested in stability in this situation, to be honest, because maybe he wants to act just... as the person who has to restore stability, it's also his favorites the role he retired from this role during these 24 years. however, when we talk about putin's political career, we must remember that he is a war president. ugh. he became the president, he generally received a rating in

1999-2000 as a war president. by and large, they started the druguchen war and all these terrorist acts because they had no other chance to convince. russians in the fact that they need this president, whose existence was announced a few months before his appointment as prime minister of russia federation, they did not know even in the cabinet of ministers of the russian federation, so much so that this was an anonymous person, we must remember that, and putin began to build his image precisely as a person who is able to restore order, who is young, a new face... simple the boy will urinate in the toilets, and that was putin, we may have already forgotten about this putin, but this is not putin, this is the putin of 24 years ago, and after that russia began to go towards such, i would say, stability, stagnation, and

by and large putin has already begun to be compared with brezhnev, but it always arises the question is to what extent he is ready to be in this role, besides, by the way, if compared with brezhny, he was also a person who led to stability after khrushchev's turbulence, and also a young guy, handsome, not the same, such a contrast with khrushchev, who was already starting to bore people with this restlessness of his and the fact that everything was changing, and every two years there no one understood whether it was a thaw or a reaction, but it all ended with the war in afghanistan, yes... that is, in fact, these regimes always go through the following stages: from turbulence to stability and through stability to turbulence, so what if you think that putin is sitting there suffering the courses? no, he just

feels more or less confident in such a situation, because he knows what to do, fight, shoot, kill, bomb, the question is how much... how much power and resources he has, that's the most important thing, so that when we recalculate all this, we have to understand a simple thing that really hits on refineries, if they reduce, it is possible... russian oil refining is important, and gasoline prices in russia really are growing, which means that if gasoline prices rise, then the prices of goods, food products will rise, the situation will worsen, the economic situation, putin is not interested in this, so we must understand that blows to the russian economy are a real tool for for putin to think about the fact that he needs to get out of the war, not immediately, but... in principle, that this is no longer entertainment, this is one moment, if there is

any instability in the border regions, i do not know how serious it is, so what are we with you don't even know what 's happening in the border regions, we don't have the main information with you about how much they strengthened the border after these famous raids on shebekin, on the belgorod region. because we keep forgetting that russians learn well from their mistakes. these are the lines of raw materials. that were built on the line of scrimmage showed that and by and large, whatever we say, and that's the key point that created problems for our offense, not that we prepared for a long time, well , they prepared for a long time, so they built, not that we were not given any weapons, but that there was time to build such defensive fortifications, ugh, what is happening on the very border of russia and ukraine, you understand how many fortifications there are already there, through which it is impossible to break through ? and here i want to say one more point, and we generally have fortifications on the border along the entire

border line, that is where we break through from belgorod region, we into belgorod region, they can break through in turn, well, they regularly go to rg, sumyshchyna, chernichyna, we need to understand what we need to think about these are real fortifications along the entire length of the border between the russian federation and ukraine. oh, and about some special protection measures on the border with belarus. by the way, when president macron spoke about french troops or any western troops on the border with belarus, he already meant that we cannot stand on the border with russia, but we can be on the border with belarus. this is an interesting observation. and what about the union state, well, the union state does not have such obvious obligations that would not allow the third country to be present in the military from. because if, of course, this third country is not going to attack belarus on the territory

of ukraine, that is understandable, but this is just such a remark, because instead of thinking about the success or failure of these raids, i was interested in two things, the defensive fortifications of the russians on the border, and our defensive fortifications, by and large we need to understand how we should live the next 20-25 years, that is, how the forte is. so that it is impossible to really break through our borders, that is, if the borders are not protected at least by some international agreements , conditional, at least such as the minsk agreement, well, the only possibility to protect them is fortification, which means that in the future the main money of the ukrainian state should not go to roads, not to thresholds, there should be no roads at all, not to social benefits, for fortification , resettle people from border villages, have a resettlement program, there must be an empty area, or such

a zone is free from the population, from arable land, from everything, a certain corridor, there and there must be only fortifications, it is necessary to make a joke, i'm sorry, this is not liechtenstein, you can sacrifice some part of the territory so that the rest is not taken over, you can find a social program of evicting people to other villages, since these unfortunate villages were once flooded, it was that... well, i think what exactly is this, you know, an illustration of socialism, but in the situation, if we resettle people so that they are not attacked, they are not cut into the interior of the country, we create for them the possibility of a new village there or life in some other village, where there are some there a plant or factory in which people have to work, it is necessary to take them from there and build a fortification there so that only the border troops are there, ugh, that's what i'm saying honestly. is of much more interest than who will visit which aunt there, take a picture, maybe, if he is lucky, and

return, because we absolutely understand with you that all these raids on the belgorod region or on kurshchyna, but they cannot really affect themselves for one simple reason, that the only territory that can be influenced in russia is the hero city of moscow, and i do it all the time. i will say that because i remember the reaction of muscovites to the chechen wars, it was not at all. they were not interested , but if something happened that somehow interested them directly, they immediately got excited, there was the famous story with the theater center in dubrovka, where hostages were taken, and there was a meeting with putin, which

was later deciphered by the lips in a television program on one of the channels, russian television, and there mikhail kasyanov convinced putin that it was impossible to carry out the raid to release the hostages, which ended with the death of many people who were planned by the fsb and the ministry of affairs of the russian federation, and putin told him, don't you understand, that in a few more days we will be demolished, and indeed then in moscow, on red square, anti-war demonstrations began, relatives of the hostages came out and among whom were famous people. and no one touched them, now the moment of the explosion of houses in moscow, while these houses were being blown up somewhere in buinaksk or volgodonsk, absolutely no one was interested in this, because it is in the province, something is exploding there, as soon as the houses in moscow started, and

another important point, not just in moscow, but it is necessary to... money for millions of dollars for an apartment at a time when i barely manage to take the subway from work to work home for an hour and a half every day, so let them blow it up if it is not was able to stop this war, these are not my problems, but in the slums - this is class solidarity,

huh, and that's why i told my colleagues at the time, who were all... incredibly scared, what are you scared of, we live in the center of moscow, no one will blow up our houses, if you lived there somewhere in i don't know, there in some there medvedkova printers, i don't remember what it's called and something else, well, of course you can be blown up, you can even sleep without going to bed, and if you live here, here is where we live in moscow, well, then why should we fight, we are so simple from the point of view of our professional duties, we are in a different place, so ... this is necessary, and it is the alphabet of russian politics. ugh. therefore, if someone is running somewhere, oh, they are running, from greyvoron. well, to this muscovite, the residents of the village in the kharkiv region, the residents of this village in the belgorod region, are called in one word, fools. ugh. some fools live in kharkiv oblast, others in if people don't live in moscow, they are fools. what is

the difference, in which other province do they live, what is it called, russian, ukrainian. it's still a place where people don't live. and they are running here and there like storans, but in moscow - and this is an important point: the destabilization of the capital is the key to the collapse of any russian regime. all russian revolutions did not begin in the provinces, in moscow and petrograd. well, you, well, mr. vitaly, from the fact that we had time to talk with expert circles, then the provision of oil products to moscow and the region is already under great... question , well, a good, good warning, yes, if they don't have anything to fill their cars with, and conditionally moscow will collapse on this matter, they will think, think, but we have to prove it, that's how moscow collapsed at one time, when it was already clear that the end of the regime, when there was, let's say, no bread, there was such a moment in 1991, when for some reason there was no bread, and by

the way, they said that when khrushchev collapsed in 1964 year, then there was no bread either, somehow the party leaders... prepared the population that there would be a change power, this favorite receiver, the bread disappears somewhere, and then it appears, after the plenum of the central committee of the cpsu, do people already understand, and strangely enough, this is such an indicator at the level of the subconscious, so i remember that i was standing in line , some trucks came to the car, and we bought baguettes from these trucks, as funny as it sounds, and i stood in line between. counselor of the canadian embassy and counselor of the us embassy, ​​because at that time i lived somewhere in the arbat area and there were all those embassies, and we laughed a lot, because in these special shops for foreigners, no bread was sold, they could buy anything... whatever they wanted to buy there some goods that no one had seen from soviet people, yes, even food, but bread was not expected, because it was everywhere, both cheap and more or less high-quality, well and they stood, and we

all agreed that this is the end, the end of the state, and i think that if such a situation can really happen, i just don't really understand how to achieve it with the help of drones, frankly, how a drone can destroy an entire refinery, not just slow it down or slow it down its volume, but if we imagine that this is the collapse of the system, uh, that there is no gasoline at moscow gas stations, then i don't think that it's just oh, let's destroy this ukraine so that we have gasoline, this wait a long time, maybe you will do something so that we have it before you spend another five years destroying it, we agree, we have a consensus that it must be destroyed, but how long will you do it while you do it, we won't get anywhere and we won't leave anywhere, yes. and, but it should be exactly at the level of moscow, not even petersburg, if there will be no fuel and no goods in petersburg, this will cause only wild joy to muscovites. that is, if

you want to support the russian regime, you must tell muscovites that the people of st. petersburg have nothing, well, not like during the blockade, but in principle, that there is nothing to eat. i remember the joy when st. petersburg was almost not developed, moscow was in ruins, muscovites came to st. petersburg and saw its shabby streets. entrances and the absence of tourists, this is in the pre-putin period and the first putin period, and this caused only satisfaction, well, such and such a country, such a country, you can’t do anything, such a character , that is, the country is moscow-centric, ugh, and by and large, you have to understand that it is like, you know, like in these russian folk tales, this is the heart of koschei, it is located not in a needle and not in a fish, it is located in moscow, because it is a state, this... the entire kingdom, after all , is not in conditional republics, where conditionally enslaved peoples live, so conditionally enslaved peoples, small peoples, at most there, well

, the largest republic has several million there inhabitants, of course, there are large territories there, imagine the independence that this half of russia does not have, of course, but again, it is necessary that there are conditions for this to be a republic. who imagined how it would develop as an independent state, you understand, uh, imagine ukraine, which goes to the black sea, and therefore we understand why the russians want to interrupt our navigation, and now yakutia, where it goes to what kind of sea, do you remember, to the sailors, ugh, here i am, you have diamonds, but if you are blocked from land, then you can't eat them will be, that is, it must be. something existential, for russia itself to agree with the independence of this same yakutia, with the fact that it will have economic relations with it, you see, it is like

the soviet union, that we recognize the independence of turkmenistan there and buy its gas, but if we do not recognize the gas we don't buy, so what should turkestan turkmenistan do with its gas, there's nothing to wash, because it's just different, well, now they're building something to china, but before, the only one was a pipe towards moscow. and this is also the same, and here with each such territory it is necessary separately to discuss, because, well, to say that even together, when all these peoples are gathered, there will be somewhere, well, 20 million people, but russians will still be 100, 100 will be millions, well, it is not that simple, it is not like it was in the soviet union, where russians were half, and... countries like ukraine, where ukrainians were 75-80%, and those who were considered russians, in fact, we did not sign up for them and were ready to become ukrainians at any moment, half of these ethnic

russians, russians were not, or any other countries of the same type, the union republics were such, you know, there were 95% of armenians there in armenia, well 90, until the moment when the number of russian azerbaijani population decreased there, georgia was mostly more divided. you can continue to list all this for so long, well, these are other possibilities, and there is an external border, yes , you understand, even in armenia, which was blocked at once by turkey and azerbaijan, there was an external border with georgia and iran, this is an economic road, and if in you are gone, what did russia start doing when they were fighting for independence union republics? it blocked lithuania, but mykola ryshkov, the former chairman of the council of ministers of the soviet union, who

was already a member of the federation of federal assemblies of russia, died recently. a supporter of the war with ukraine and everyone said: oh, there was such a reformer, he supported the war with ukraine, how did it happen, and i remembered how it happened, how he held me here by the lapels of his jacket and proved to me that it was necessary to block lithuania, in i have a long interview in the archive, with mykola rushkov, the head of the council of ministers of the soviet union, who to me and another deputy, soviet from lithuania argued that if they will declare independence, then the soviet one will be theirs. there is no external border, because it is guarded by soviet border guards, nothing can be exported, and the country, well, the republic is unitedly blocked along the entire perimeter of the borders, how to live, you can live on your industry, of course, but it is connected with other enterprises of the ussr, if you if you don't get some nut or some raw material, you won't do anything, here are simple explanations for you, how it all works, and for that, in order for it to work, it is necessary for everyone

to agree, that's why... why did the collapse of the soviet union happen in the first place, everyone agreed, the leadership of the russian federation did not speak about their company, you cannot ship to ukraine here and there, and by the way, precisely in at that time, it was preparing, making closed production cycles, do you remember when we said: oh, and if they are there, we will not supply them with any military products there, if they treat us like that, but it turned out that they do not it is necessary, they already produce everything themselves, they are everything they produced together with other countries. the former soviet republics began to produce independently, because they were preparing for war, and they understood that these old production ties should be interrupted, we kept them, and that is why we still have many businessmen trying to do business with russia, because they had some companies, suppliers or buyers of their products in russia, and they are not, because they were much more intelligent in terms of their intentions, in fact, so we also have to

remember all this, this... when we say, what everything will collapse, it is not as simple as it looks, because we have the experience of this collapse, ours, when it was consensual, and there is the experience of the yugoslav collapse, it was not consensual, there everything was not so simple with industry, not only with industry, let 's say the serbian government confiscated all the apartments of citizens of other former republics, er, in serbia. what does serbia mean, they bought all the apartments in belgrade, because it was a good, good investment, it was the capital of the union state, well, this is an apartment in moscow, in yugoslavia you could buy apartments, god bless us pity because we did not have a market, real estate, there was, and people invested in this housing, where they invested, on the sea, but croatia could not confiscate, because it is a civilized state and in belgrade, and

people stayed. you can live without your savings, because this is a big savings , a belgrade apartment, well, i have a person who lived in a socialist country, well, yes, and that was the price for independence, please, you will live in your croatia, an independent country, but in serbia you will not have property, no, we ordered you, and now imagine what russia is doing this to the residents of some tatarstan, i assure you that there are also rich people who live in russia, in real estate, in moscow, etc., it is possible to do many such things. to stop this movement a little, apart from political things, because i say that things are not always the same, and i keep saying, once again, get busy, you need to get busy with fortifications, and not with the collapse of russia, ugh, in general, our guarantee of our future - these are nato fortifications and a democratic russia in the future, if

we are lucky. we'll be lucky if it it is possible at all, well, you understand that if russia becomes a state, even if it is not democratic, such as turkey, where, where, as our guest said, the prospective president, who does not know for sure that he is not at war, but that he is engaged in economic and political expansion, let it be, well, yeltsin times, well, this is a guarantee that we live peacefully, how many states there will be in this territory, one or 40, that’s another story, and... even one, but adequate, better than 40 inadequate, you see, because it's not easier for anyone if you're being fired upon there the kuban cossack republic or whatever they call themselves there, or the russian federation, a bomb is a bomb, a missile is a missile, you understand, if there is a nuclear weapon at the disposal of some central russia, then it is also a nuclear weapon, it never ceases to be a nuclear weapon from .