well, the schizophrenics completely broke down and lied, so for me what will happen on the 15th, in these three days of voting, for me it is actually rather a referendum, it is an oath to the supreme commander-in-chief, well, that is , in russia it is an oath to the supreme commander-in -chief, and there where elections are held and no one elected them, a very interesting thought, and actually about the oath to the supreme leader by this very headman. here everything is also very somehow so comical, because this oath, well, it is already clear that they will come to give something only there 70%, they have already painted it simply, as these elections are to be held, and that means 70% will only come, 80% will vote for putin , that's what i don't understand, if not all the people took the oath, then probably it's because he didn't take the oath, that he should be shot, well, if this is not an election but an oath, so does it mean something? we have to deal with them, probably they

will do after that, and in principle some such plans are already there, because the other day ukrainian hackers hacked volodin’s correspondence with putin’s office, and there was a direct plan, how to further suppress some oppositional phenomena, how to further strengthen the military rhetoric, how should someone be packed up and sent somewhere, well, that is, just such a plan for the future, well, that's why... and to continue the war, and of course, well, i wonder what this oath was for, but it was also interesting if they are not finished, then they will be finished for good, well , the discussion on this matter on the russia-1 tv channel, where skabiyeva directly began such things, well, first of all, it became clear, well, she was trying to find out who and how was thinking in general, was preparing for war and what came out of it, actually let's see. "i am in every way

i share your optimism, but if no one had miscalculated, neither they, nor we, we would have ended the attack long ago, demilitarized ukraine, achieved complete denazification, and they would have long ago achieved the strategic defeat of official moscow. we all prepared for the last war, and it is developing according to completely different and unexpected patterns. what did the americans miscalculate, the russians are killing the russians." well, it is true, the russians are killing the russians when they drive them to fight in ukraine, it is completely understood, this, and this is putin's achievement, for which they will all stand together now to vote, but it is even more interesting, because then in response they simply directly compared putin to hitler on a russian tv channel, let's continue, let's take february 24, 22, i consider june 21, 41 as an analogue.

if there had not been a strike on february 24th, maybe not the next day, maybe a week later or within a month, but we would have had to wage a war on our own territory, it does not seem that they would have miscalculated, the same questions were asked, i am sure, by hitler to canaris in in the 41st and 42nd years, because it was as if they had prepared for everything, as if it was supposed to fall already, the same americans calculated there in 1941, they said that the union would collapse in three weeks, the british gave two months, who is here... hitler, we know, it is putin, in principle, but who is canaris, it is really very interesting, but these comparisons are simply beautiful, that is, compare directly with hitlerism, which then attacked the soviet union so that the soviet union would not have time to attack earlier, well, what is this, and all this talk about three weeks and so on, well, who here promised for kyiv in three day again russians, well, that is, no one even directly in russian in russian propaganda television doesn't... hides the fact that it's one and

the same, well after putin himself said that hitler was right because he attacked poland, which didn't want to give anything, well, that is, he essentially compared himself with hitler , it is not surprising that these comparisons appeared, and actually, what is the conclusion of this conversation, here is the conclusion, i think it is excellent, absolutely, let's see, russia has shackles on its feet, we cannot develop the way we want to develop , yes, as we can develop, they will stop... around russia, there is one big scary catastrophe - russophobia, anti-russia, so where and who miscalculated , shackles are on the leg right now, this war, ukraine, and the infinity of these processes, right now, thank god, thank god, that person is at the head of our country, he is leading us to where we seem to be going as

we go, and we are succeeding, people have rallied, everything is as difficult as possible for us, and it is difficult for the army, it is difficult for the economy, it is simple for everyone. a nightmare, this war, it would be better if this war did not happen, that is, such a beautiful leader who led to that war, which would be better if there was no, but let's continue to support him , let's continue to fight, well, actually, what putin himself said in this story about how he sees the future, so he saw the future in such a way that, in principle, he would continue to fight, this is a big hello to all those , who said that... "if ukraine is disarmed, the war will somehow end like this, no, ukraine has been disarmed, what putin says, why negotiate something now, when you can continue to fight, because it is easier to fight with the unarmed, see if we are ready to negotiate are we ready for negotiations, yes, but only for

negotiations, no, not based on any wishes, after the use of psychotropic drugs. after all, on the basis of the realities that have developed, as they say in such cases on the ground, to negotiate now only because they are running out of ammunition is somehow not silly on our part, we know the various options that are being discussed, we know those carrots that are going to be shown to us, they will be. to throw out all kinds of desires under the guise of a carrot for us, well, actually, it's not a carrot, absolutely no, he rallied, well, again, a big hello, who thinks that someone there is going to do something, they

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no political season. exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest spots the front shot. svobodalai from correct and not biased, you draw your own conclusions. welcome to the espresso channel. today, in our war and weapons program, we talk about private defense enterprises that work to ensure that our soldiers, which are our relatives and relatives who are currently fighting the enemy, are well protected, well dressed and have reliable communication systems. it will be about the enterprises that happened to be related to the city of lviv. with the beginning of the large-scale invasion , the lviv defense was created. a cluster that produced bulletproof vests , and now the range of products has significantly increased, and another young

defense company is called chimera, last year, according to the ministry of digital, it was recognized as the number one military startup in ukraine, already in february of this year by the lviv venture fund united angels network and a number of private investors, including among foreign ones, the chimera team received half a million dollars. on the development of means of communication for the armed forces. in the conditions of war, this is a rather unique situation for the ukrainian defense-industrial complex. so the war our technologies to win and the mazes of bureaucracy we must get rid of in order to make a difference on the battlefield. we will talk about this in our next issue of the war and weapons program. my name is serhiy sguryts, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which is now together with the spresso channel aims to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of our defense industrial

enterprises. and now we are joined by maksym plekhov, chairman of the board of the association of defense sector volunteers and enterprises lviv defense cluster. mr. maxim, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good day, sergey. first of all, i would like you to remind our viewers what your lviv defense cluster is doing, what it is producing now, how the life of the enterprises that are part of it has changed in... two years, what is the current situation with the enterprises? today, if we speak for what is produced at the enterprises of the lviv defense cluster, we can say that these are body armor, this is tactical equipment ordered by the ministry of defense, starting from uniforms, ending with backpacks, unloading systems, summaries on... elbow pads, knee pads, a lot of other products, increased, built new

enterprises, i will tell you that the situation with hemerio is not the only investment, an enterprise for the production of drones has already been built, yes, the size of the investment is also quite large, today the construction of two plants in lviv region for the production of special fabrics for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine and a plant for the production of ceramic welding elements for the needs of the armed forces is ending of ukraine. therefore, development is ongoing, development is ongoing. today we can truly say that lviv oblast is gradually becoming such a production investment pool where new enterprises are being built in order to provide our armed forces with everything they need today. we spoke with you, i think, for the last time in november last year, and then we pre-estimated what the rules of the game would be in the procurement market, because then... it was announced that new structures would be created there, a state style operator, an agency

defense procurement, and now this one the state operator tylu, which ensures the purchase of fuel, property, clothing there, says that he has made a significant number of purchases there through prozoro, and so on in other ways, there are significant cost savings, but how have these new procurement procedures affected the loading of your enterprises , what is your experience? to the first communication precisely because of the contracts with the state operator tylo? come on, if we're talking about dot, first of all it should be noted that the agency started working only from the new year, and indeed the first two months, there were huge problems with conducting tenders and receiving orders, that is , the actual receiving of orders began from the end of february, today most of the tenders... have been conducted, market companies are receiving orders , they are starting to fulfill them, if we speak for

the general assessment, what should be said, that is, it is a completely new structure with a completely new composition of people who have not previously worked in the ministry of defense in specialized departments, they have a very strong desire to do something, can make normal significant changes, well how always, as a new structure there were a huge number of problems. starting with mistakes that were made by a large number of completely incomprehensible one-day companies, then at the request of market participants , the tender security was returned, returned. there were tender guarantees so that there was no possibility of manipulating the market, that is , it still works today, the procedures are being carried out, the only thing that should be noted is that today there are also ongoing constant negotiations between the markets and the dot, this is the amount of fines, because the dot has increased the fines five times before there were fines for each day

of delay, the supplier companies paid 0.1% of the undelivered goods, today, it's... 0.5%, and realizing that we have a lot of problems with the actual war going on all over the territory of ukraine with the situation on the polish border, it is clear that there will be disruptions in deadlines, therefore the situation here is rather unclear and critical, because companies can have big problems, at the same time, that is, understanding that there is a clear understanding when the deadline for the performance of the contract will be, such there is no such thing, so for example, if the first... then the tender is announced and it says that the delivery date of march 30 is written in it, this is catastrophic, but at the same time , the company, when it enters the center, does not understand the codes at all, when it will be given a signed agreement, that is, today there are situations , when the companies sign the agreement only on march 10-15, realizing that they no longer have time to meet the deadlines, on the other hand, to refuse

the agreement is actually to put a limit on the supply of the armed forces, so in general... the picture is so average, that is, there is there are positive changes, there are some mistakes, well, we think so it actually also requires experience for the agency to function adequately. well, that is, as i understood, now the newly created agency has primarily directed its efforts so that there are no hints of corruption there and is ready to sacrifice even certain circumstances to the detriment of the company, if i understand, that is, the terms of the contracts are sufficiently undefined, at the same time you. .. only indicators related to the price of products and fines are determined if these products are not delivered, that is, a sufficiently narrow spectrum of interaction, are there any nuances here or there? add? well, i would say yes, indeed, that today the first task that is put before the agency is absolutely no even possible theoretical corruption, they have relevant

departments that even control communication with suppliers, this is very adequate. very smart, on the other hand, they have other kpis there , this is a price reduction, as far as i understand, supplies to the armed forces and delivery times are already the third kpi, and in fact it is already sometimes a problem, because delivery times, planning, long-term tenders, so far we do not see this, corruption, i will say this, communicating with the entire market, there is no possibility at all. this is a long way forward, a long way forward, and when we talk about the conditions of procurement there, well , of life jackets or clothes, can the conditions of procurement be prescribed in such a way that , relatively speaking, the winner will be a prospectively determined company there, which has one parameter that is better in comparison with others,

this parameter is taken as the basis of the potential signing of the contract, well, if we say for example... it was only a one-time situation, which can be evaluated in this way, it was the purchase of active headphones at the end of that year, yes, when the non-price criterion was introduced, in order to enable the company's headphones produced by the company trim more chance before the headphones of the company sardín, the situation was one-off, it is very controversial, very subjective, because on the other hand, some characteristics of the vvetm headphones were better, on the other hand, was this small improvement worth the 20 million that the state overpaid, today such tenders are not held, the situation is analyzed, today the only criterion can be this is only one hundred percent compliance with the technical conditions and the price of the products, that's why

our situation this year is only the same as it was before. and regarding the price of products and profit for companies, do these conditions and the fixed profit allow companies, in particular, that are part of the defense cluster to develop, create new models there, purchase surplus, you said that surplus is purchased, the question arises, where are the funds for these large-scale expansions coming from? well, let's say, first of all, the situation since the 22nd year with the procedures much. has changed, yes, that is, we remember the situation that existed because it was forbidden for a defense sector company to make a profit, there is a specific law of the verkhovna rada, which is completely with... if we say for a tender purchase, there is no regulation regarding the amount

of profit , i.e. there is none, companies really work, in some cases it can work even to zero, if there is a situation where it is necessary to download the reception, in some cases the company receives a profit, if we speak for expansion, then first of all, today the defense segment is very attractive for domestic an investor, yes, because today... many private investors who previously invested in construction, in the processing of food products, today prefer to invest in the defense sector, because today it has the greatest development, it is the largest market in ukraine, and it is quite attractive for private investment. today we also created, again within the framework of the cluster, an investment fund, well, as it were, a real investment fund for the possibility of one. on the part of attracting private investments, on the other hand, it is already assistance to ukrainian defense forces startups to get the necessary funding for further development, it is such a bridge between

the desire of investors to invest and defense startups to receive, because without the development of the defense segment of the private defense industry, we will never be able to provide our army with everything it needs. mr. maksym, you said at the beginning that, relatively speaking, there are companies out there that already manufacture drones. complexes, as i understood as part of the cluster, and the production of ceramic plates for body armor, this is also a new direction in the format of your defense-industrial complex of the defense-industrial cluster, are there any details related to these directions, what is it about, what are the volumes, or just where are we moving with these two components? well, if we talk about drones, this is the company arrocar space, it is an unmanned aviation complex ra7, which will be adopted by the ministry. of defense, these are the last -generation shock absorbers with the necessary initiation boards, with launchers, which fully

meet today's needs, the industrial capabilities of the enterprise, we currently estimate up to 100 thousands of units per year, this is for drones, there is still work going on today on its own ammunition, some will be unified just for this type of drones at the factory. defense plates, this was actually a very controversial situation for us for many years, because such factories need constant loading for 10 years at a volume of approximately 100 thousand plates per year, yes, that is , we understood that there would not be such a surge in ukraine, so if we hesitated for a long time, but a few months ago such a decision was made, because we understand that the ukrainian... army cannot depend on supplies from abroad after all, so today we must as much as possible localize the production of anything that we use, and there, if you say what this form

of body armor equipment is, first of all, starting from the production of the fabrics themselves, so as not to transport them from china or turkey, and ending there with armor elements, then possibly with ballistic materials, it all needs to be localized, so it is video surveillance by drones. communication today is considering the issue of the entire localization of all components, because we potentially understand the possible problems with china against the background of the fact that america already prohibits the use of drones on its territory, and we understand all the possible risks, so the issue of localization on the territory of ukraine, more than what is used today by the armed forces, are components for further already equipping weapons, this is an immediate need, it must be occupied... today, every day. mr. maksym, still clarify about the ceramic plates. as it seems, we have few companies that now make ceramics for armor protection,

that is, your company has really now decided to deploy this high-tech, expensive production, despite the fact that ceramic bulletproof vests are more expensive there and it is not a fact that the ministry of defense will purchase them compared to standard bulletproof vests with steel plates there. well, if we talk about ceramic armor in general , today ukraine has the highest requirements for ceramic armor in the world, it happened in such a very strange way that we adopted american standards regarding the durability of the plates, there is a drop from two meters, there is an impact with bullets, well, at the same time, they forgot and wrote down the indicators for armor damage, which were in the ukrainian standard, it is 25 mm, so today the requirements for... plates are the highest in the world at our ministry of defense after the situation with the fact that they received samples of the 545 project

of the russian needle, which has... very high penetration properties today is switching to ceramic armor as much as possible, if we talk about the production of ceramic armor there by artisanal means, it is actually one situation, and it cannot give a permanent result, if we say for industrial production, then only there one vacuum installation for pressing armor plates is 600,00 € of investment, it requires a lot of equipment, but the understanding is that if we say that in... a million-strong army, it must be equipped with bulletproof vests, then such enterprises need to be built, they must be today, if we talk about serial production, that is, until now there is only one company in ukraine, that is tem-300, which has, i do not know at what technological level , i was not in production, the ability to produce ceramic armor plates, everything else they tried to produce, these are more of some permanent developments, and it is simply imported.

of very low quality, if we take into account the needs of the ukrainian army, then there is no other way out, we need two-three-four factories for the production of armor plates on a mass basis in order to provide the ukrainian army for the future of ten years, well then i will still note the moment for myself, that is , despite the fact that body armor behind a ceramic plate will be more expensive, the ministry of defense, understanding the requirements of the battlefield, is really ready already to raise the bar of the purchase price and focus on the fact that body armor should... be with ceramics, and this will be, well, the most optimal solution, so it turns out, that's right, they have already made such decisions, purchases that went on from november, december of that year, was conducted only for ceramic armor, well , at the same time, there will be a minimum of 10-15 thousand, due to the fact that the requirements for ceramic armor are high, they buy only ceramic armor today, they had huge problems with

delivery terms with... those orders, but buy only the ceramic armor from the metal armor of the ministry of defense and other units of the defense forces of ukraine has already been abandoned today. well, this is news to me and it's good news actually. and didn't foreign suppliers of their body armor become more active against this background? what is the situation with the competition between our products and foreign products, or is it now somehow leaning in the direction of our manufacturers? well, speaking for the situation. also a very difficult situation, because dot publicly announces that it needs to buy products as cheaply as possible, that is, it does not matter to buy it in ukraine or to buy it abroad, and in order to make it as simple as possible to go to foreign manufacturers, the terms of the agreement were added to it, that now not only the manufacturer company can enter the auction directly, but its conditional representative, that is, or a branch or a branch, that is...

today this is already allowed, we see today the interest of foreign manufacturers in the supply, this, well, on the other hand, on the one hand, it incites competition, yes, and improves the provision of the armed forces of ukraine, on the other hand, there is really such strategic problems that we can develop a foreign supplier, not a domestic supplier, there are two problems that need to be paid attention to, firstly, these are tax benefits, if... that today the company there is conditionally from france, bulgaria, the forces of ukraine, it will supply them completely without vat at 100% and without postage. if a ukrainian company will produce armor on the territory of ukraine, it will import material, only material for armor, it will be soft ballistic packages and composite elements of ceramic rafts without vat, but for everything else we

we will pay internal vat. that is, our domestic price will be a few percent higher, it is one hundred percent, yes, than a terrestrial supplier, we will lose here, and foreign suppliers, the majority built their enterprise of this level with state subsidies, grants, they do not have a burden today on loans and investment obligations of what is in our suppliers, so for an internal supplier such a situation is quite unpleasant, quite critical, well , we cannot do something here... maybe because, if we say also for localization, we can protect ourselves from turkey or china, we cannot protect ourselves from european manufacturers at all, so ukrainian companies need to find some other mechanisms in order to survive and develop, there to expect state subsidies, guarantees, benefits, soft loans , we understand that today is a war, so...