the so-called, well, somehow even i do not open my mouth to talk to you about what is happening in the occupied territories, i think everyone knows that this is a total falsification, this is this, there is no resistance, by the way, i did not see some kind of resistance, although is resistance possible there, when they come to you with a machine gun and so on, but about the people, about the attitude of the people , here i am terribly interested, we know that in avdiivka as well... there is information that these zhduns waited, finally they, many of them very happily went to vote and so on, in principle, there are some recipes for dealing with those people who don't like ukraine, i just read it today, i don't remember where, they have already been convicted, they are in prison, they surrendered ukrainian positions, ukrainians were killed because of them, and they are asked, well, you don't regret it, no, no, i would, if now i would... once again,

he was given there for 12 years already, no, russia , well done, i would do the same again, that is, there is a huge category of people, well there are definitely hundreds of thousands who are just internally, putin is always right, moscow, our love, moscow or something, there is some analysis of what to do with them, should we do something with them, or wait for a new generation, or can we somehow influence them, i don't have an answer to this question, mr. vadim. there is a part of people with whom it is still possible to work, there is a part of people to whom coercion must be applied, including criminal, state coercion is meant, then these people must be her zagrats, and by the way, forced labor is precisely allowed for zagrats, this this is not allowed, although during the war, during the effect of this military, so to speak time, regime of this, well, the legal regime of the military state, it is called, but wartime... the time

is simply what we define for ourselves, they can work and must work, that is, it does not mean that they are re-educated, at least they will engage in socially useful work for the patriotic part of the population, mainly patriotic part people are really under propaganda, some people have connections with the russian federation, and with those who work in the security agencies, in the military structure or military organization of russia, so of course uh... this part of people very often remains loyal to the russian state and not to the ukrainian state, despite the fact that he lives on ukrainian territory, certainly all those who now support russian narratives, and that is a whole bunch of journalists from the murayevo channels, i saw some of them who went there on the airwaves, they promoted the russian us, the russian peace, now they put on ukrainian colors and go to munich conferences, as if they were pro-ukrainian journalists. that's why i think

we still have russian propaganda inside ukraine, it's just more sophisticated and veiled, it must be stopped, and of course, the demonstrative things that should happen, demonstrative trials, what we are happening, and not just then we exchanged and left, yes, but simply, well, the number of people that should be after the deoccupation i will bring to justice, this work continues, but it is not covered very well, unfortunately, the sbu did its job. the authorities then do not have special campaigns that would promote so, well, in a good way, so i think there is a lack of information in the information field, and of course, that the inevitability of the punishment, not the reversibility of the punishment, and not its severity, and not the terms of his sentence, but with the possibility of acquitting himself there or in some other way, well, correcting himself, but it should be, that is, the punishment, if in ... is

for treason, well, it is established in us, yes , it must be inevitable, so that a person does not think, as it was in the 14th year, and betrayed, betrayed a little, and now do not betray, now do not touch, i think that the complex of such measures is not properly conducted in the state, but mr. vadim, as far as i am concerned i understand, in the world i am not talking about ukraine now, in the world like that to convert someone ideologically, so to speak, stained in a different color. there are practically no such ones, well, it is necessary only under intense pressure, and if it is democratic pressure, then we know the 45th year, uh, the 55th year , no, not much has changed, the 65th year not much, well, the germans to me they said, 68, well, when young people rose up, including all european and german ones, and then they told their parents, that's how you bastards lied to us, and it turns out that you were acehnese. and only then something started

real movement, that is, it is not a day, not two, not three. i agree with you, this is the right mechanism for working with or with young people. laziness, but i emphasize that ideologically there is now no ideological split between the two parts is much larger and relatively insignificant, that is, russia does not carry any ideology, well, there is no russian peace is not an ideology, it is simply the creation of conditions for you to be able to move from one society, from one nationality, so to speak, or a political nation to another, it's just from... well, so to speak, you know, like in the people they say, zamanukhi, that’s all, there is no ideology in russia, yes, but it’s simple, excuse me for interrupting, i listened today in the morning and in the afternoon, these elections are going on in russia, well, as if there, whether lithuania or latvia, that is, where there is no

russian propaganda, where there is english propaganda, well, in english, in local languages, or there is russian propaganda, like there, i don't know if it's a live nail or not. it's raining there, all the uncles are putin for peace, i'm for putin, because it's good, i'm sitting, thinking, hey, you don't have anything to do, well, you need a special plate and just close your ears and don't listen to sober people, listen only to this propaganda, and that's all, it's sitting in europe, and i'm for justice and freedom, i thought for a long time that what... why isn't there freedom there? no, for freedom in latvia to speak russian and go to a russian school and not to pay attention to latvians. ugh, i agree, that’s right, remember the movie matrix, if you’ve seen it, yes, they just need to be disconnected from the matrix, that is, the matrix is ​​that

pro-russian organizations, the surrounding environment, tv channels like ntv, russia is there and everything all the rest, that is, they must be disconnected from the matrix, this does not mean that there will be a positive result. but at least it will be, well, such people will be isolated, because even now they are supported by money, and prizes, and trips to moscow and there, performances of the big theater, they are even given tickets for free, that is, they are tried in such a combination with the russian propaganda mechanism and influence, and this, unfortunately, is the problem of the european union, until now they only said that we have so many hybrid threats, but... did nothing for to resist, although this has been known for many decades, but still resist , sorry sir, but the resistance is still very difficult, i just see it, well, i just work in information there for 30 years or more, so i just even i don't understand for the first second,

the second time i hear the same thing, i say, oh , it's him, and yes, it's some kremlin bot, but how to fight with them is completely up to you. freedom of speech is democracy, if we start to suspect everyone, we will become russians, when we and this one, and i think so, he is not so, so i call the sbu and and and and that's it, we will go far in our country, no, they consume russian, russian-soviet content, you remember here, the new hour, there that, the old ones there. look, this guy, we have already forgotten that they are a guy of the soviet union, that is, everything is geared towards that category of people, they need to be cut off from the power supply and everything, well, let them live there, well, with a neighbor, maybe he is there, but they are connected to the network, they have whole organizations in them, the so-called

cultural society, rossotrudnichestvo, it everything works, that is, europe did nothing to realize that this is a real threat to ukraine. an example shows how it works , it was vladimir lenin who said that the army can be defeated, it is necessary to dismantle it, and then win, and russia has been doing this since soviet times, because there is no such ideological basis, but the basis is ideological hatred, hatred of everything civilized, to the civilized rules of elections, to the civilized rules of the organization of ordinary, there civil, political and so on, and this one is not... cultivated, is fueled, and constantly with grievances, so-called grievances, that is, grievances are constantly the ground for a person to feel that he is offended, in fact, his level is much higher, and he is underestimated, offended, somewhere still totalitarian, here you are now

describing a totalitarian church, all totalitarian churches immediately attract, oh, you are such a genius, you are such a genius. and your teachers and parents didn't appreciate you, but come to us, we'll appreciate you, it's such a totalitarianism, that's exactly what the russian propaganda machine is, a russian machine it works on such bases. therefore, i think that europe did not take care of a lot , there was no body that deals with this, no one, and who should deal with this, we do not have our own anti-goebbels, yes, we do not know who it was that the journalist calmly came out in the rain and told , that boys, well, this should just end in a criminal case, and not be kicked out, so they shouldn’t feel like people who are also like... they came here and tell the rest how to love

russia, yes , well the fact is that they are not they want, we have already talked with you once, and no one is working against russia, it is meant in the explanation, in russia itself such barriers have been erected that there are other agents, british chancellor, no one can work, so this is a problem , they didn't even spend money on it, the europeans, didn't even spend money on it, well... they thought again that the americans with the present time and radio free europe would do everything for them, well that's wrong, but i have a couple of ideas , i will share with you when we meet in person, i have a gorgeous one idea, but i have a different question, now it is being discussed that people who are sitting in prisons can be taken by the army, i will say right away that i feel that someone is sitting not with you, someone says that they were criticized in russia? they do it themselves here, we are preparing for a draft law, there is a discussion, mr.

vadim and i are going to discuss now, it is not like putin said: go and take them, and how will i take them, but take them, and i will do something later i will sign, and there will be my decree, these are different things, but is it correct in principle, i would tell all the detractors that either the second or the third punic i am a war, that is, it is rome against carthage, they have already taken people from prisons, that is , it was not invented yesterday and not the day before yesterday, but it was, that is, this humanity lives so long, but here the question arises, there will definitely be a discussion about who to take, , who got 3 years, or those who got 23, so what if the notes were like that, yes, dotted like that. that everyone can be taken, except for those who are against the state,

anti-state activity, well, in short , these are the articles in the criminal code that are precisely related to the state and the existence of the state, i at first i was indignant, then i think, well, yes, if he is even a murderer, well, he left, the question is what to do next, this is the course of my thoughts, he left and he... well, he defended the homeland, he was killed, that’s all, he atoned, but if he is not guilty of murder, that is, he left and then returned, but there are people who, fathers, grandfathers, or sons, daughters, who are victims, he killed their relative, in short, to what extent is it at all, should we open this, this, this pandora's box, well , of course, there is a whole series of crimes that, so -called, that do not constitute led. social danger, so i think that with regard to such people

it is possible, well, you know, like a court, a court appoints, well , there are controversial issues, but the former chief of staff, he said that the army is not a zone, well, in such a context, there is a whole a number of auxiliary functions, for example, there is a whole series of positions in which these people can easily show themselves there, for example, and atone for their guilt. but if it concerns the victims or their families, then it seems to me that it would be correct to ask the opinion of the victims in such a case, well, for example, to hold some kind of court hearing, and the victims would have the opportunity to express their opinion, but there is another, let's say , one reason why this issue should be considered in each individual case, this is the issue of amnesty or conditional early release, that is, these people can be... released or conditionally there for some time, if they show themselves, then the court can

cancel the remaining part of their sentence, or the president has to issue a decree on amnesty, and it is individual, or on pardon, sorry, or the verkhovna rada has to pass an amnesty law, it will be like the 53rd year there then, if everyone is amnestied in a row, that is, once again the president pardons, so that i, well, they do not say that i... was wrong, having there, uh, the amnesty law can issue the verkhovna rada, which the president must sign, or conditional early release, that is, regardless of the category, the rules must also be established. let's just say it, well, they can bring these people, if they are recruited in the same way as in russia, they can bring, as it was in russia, zone orders instead of the military, that's danger to the military, that is, yes, the question is not ambiguous, as a matter of fact, it's good that we talked about it, i hope someone will hear it and start thinking, i don't, i don't have a point of view here, but the fact that it needs to be thought about and

to discuss, obviously, which is what we did with mr. vadym chernysh, the head of the sens security research center and the minister of ukraine for temporarily occupied territories of internally displaced persons from 16 to 19 years of age. thank you mr. vadim, thank you very much. well, now to israel. if we fly her to israel, we have svitlana glaz, a journalist from israel, as soon as she appears, we will definitely welcome her. congratulations, ms. svitlana, thank you for finding time for us. thank you, good evening , you too, look, i have a question, it's not me, i understand that the israeli police shot there, the boy was killed during ramadan, it's obvious, when there's a war, someone is killed, but my question is different, somehow, the presence of ramadan simply affects life in the state of israel,

after all, you have 7 million jews and 2 million arabs there, plus now there are still arabs... they live in the gaza strip, and they are neighbors, and how much is that, or it doesn't have any effect, you don't notice that they have a holiday, or on the contrary you notice and somehow you have to do something, well, i don't know, it's quieter to listen to music, i don't know, of course we notice, because we live in this country, where there are three religions, this is judaism, this is islam and christianity, and you can't get anywhere here, we live together, and... it has its own holidays, each religion has its own religious buildings, where it goes to pray, so do muslims and jews, have a temple mount where they go to pray on their holidays, does it affect the lives of israelis in general, well of course it does, we

we know that it is a holiday, many muslims do not go to work during this month. if, say , they don't eat at their place during the day, then of course they are a little sad, they pray, and this usually affects their condition, their mood, then the people they work with support them, understand them, let's say near the city where i live, as they say, across the road, we have large settlements where arabs and muslims live, and there are, let's say, the same coffee shops, restaurants, shops where jews also go to buy some things, drink a cup of coffee or rest there, and of course we feel, let's say on a certain friday, when such a very, very holy day begins for them, then on their day there are more of them in these stores, and in the evening they are not at all because they are already

they pray, have dinner, and they have their own evening, of course... everyone respects the holidays of the people who live on this earth, that's how it should be, it won't go anywhere, what happened in jerusalem, in east jerusalem, where such things happened is not entirely clear unrest among the arab population, and by the way, by the way, this year muslims are allowed to pray on the temple mount, men who are 60 years old and... up to 10 years old are allowed, the boy who died after being shot by an israeli policeman, he was 13 years old, they were setting off fireworks there , and it so happened that this boy threw a firework at a policeman and he shot him, the boy was wounded, wounded, he was brought to the hospital, where he

died, unfortunately, well, let's talk more, let's talk about... shit about behavior israel, which is criticized from america, enough, although it may not be enough , i don't know, but what i wanted to say is that the one who listens to our program will say: the jews settled down again, they made the state of israel, where friday is a day off for someone, and saturday is a day off for someone , and sunday is a day off for someone, well, it’s just heaven on earth for friday for muslims, saturday for jews and... sunday for christians is great, but all people, but all people for a week, a week, when it’s a working week, then all people work, and children and christians, you will not get anywhere. well, look biden said about netanyahu, his approach to war harms israel, but such a context, if i saw for myself, maybe i saw wrongly, that i influenced, influenced, whether

america influenced, influenced, we realized that we cannot influence, and we we will criticize him, but let that netanyahu and the israeli government do what they want, am i correctly translating biden's words, well , biden said that in some sense. netanyahu even interferes with israel in its position before the war and so on, but look, here one must always take into account, i think, of course, the united states of america is the great friend, let's say, of israel, which helps both financially and with weapons and informational support, which is also very, very important, but you know. as they say, the war, which in israel usually lasts, well, two weeks, three, maximum , here lasts five months, it is very difficult, very complicated, very different from all previous

wars, because of the fact that, well, technologies develop, and people become different, and because of this, all the aid that the united states of america provided to israel, of course, it also leveled off a little, and in the first days when the war began. biden came, supported, looked at what , now biden has a slightly different rhetoric, and you can understand him, the united states of america has an election campaign, and biden probably wants to stay in his position, he is fighting hard for it, and of course, his rhetoric changes a little due to the fact that, because israel must be helped, if they do not help israel, it will be very, very difficult for us. because of that, biden is helping somewhere, he says, but, nevertheless , the military aid to israel is decreasing a little bit, there is some, i won't go into the details, how it's all

correctly called, but that there has been a decrease in some spare parts and everything, but what did biden say, that everything that as far as these iron dome interceptor systems are concerned, all of that will remain, all of that will work, all that is needed, the components, they will be supplied from the united states of america. ms. svetlana, look, this agency, which is supposed to help the gas sector, is a un organization, but with on the other hand, we saw that a lot of the workers of this factory are local, they are just thieves, and they were the ones who attacked, but for them... now, it means that canada has restored funding, sweden has restored what to do in principle, there is some kind of discussion in israel, what

to do with such seemingly good gas workers who seem to be doing, well, under the auspices of various international organizations, but are actually terrorists, of course, this is a very difficult topic, recently it has leveled off a little in israel. through other themes that came to the fore, again the relationship between by the united states of america and israel , little by little, it somehow went to a more negative level, but still what is happening in this organization, which is called, it has been operating since 1950, which is called to help palestinian refugees, and this, you know, it is very interesting that they... they introduced the word refugees into such as as well as the legal use of this word and it is passed down from generation to generation, those people

who, let's say, to whom it was applied for the first time there in 1952, then their family and beyond remain refugees, and this organization volunteered that it should help refugees in particular, and here it is helping, as if everything is fine, but we know what happened is that on october 7, among those terrorists who attacked the territory of israel, there were 12 people, who were members of this agency, it is an international agency, it belongs to the united nations organization, and suddenly 12 people who came to kill jews, well of course this is nonsense, now the organizations, even the united states of america, which for a while stopped funding this . they say that they will renew for conditions, that there will be a very detailed investigation of these criminal, crimes that were committed

by these 12. by the members of this agency, when this happens, it will be renewed, which means that the funding will be renewed. now, as you said, and you said correctly, funding has been renewed by canada and sweden, canada has probably allocated about 20 million dollars there, it will be only for 2024, what will happen next, i do not know, but all, all european countries, who previously financed this agency, say... that of course there should be an investigation very much detailed, and the people who are responsible for it must also bear responsibility for it, what is happening in them in this agency, if they are called to do one thing, then they should not do another. the penultimate question or group of questions, it feels like the end of operations, because we were waiting, we saw, yes, the north, then this , then, let's evacuate to the south, then from

the south, let's... we see, we can roughly imagine that the general the tsakhal headquarters is there, there it is thinking, and now it seems that everything, well, it is coming to an end, but it does not end, why, someone, someone can explain it, well , it is coming to an end, but it does not end for the simple reason that this is the last, the last city of rafiyah, which is already almost on the border with egypt, there from the south, from the center, from the north . a lot of palestinians left turagaz, there are more than a million people who need shelter, they also need to live, have something to live for, and they need to go somewhere, but they are in the same rafeh , there are also tunnels where the terrorists of the hamas organization are located, because of that netanyahu, and the military cabinet at all i took it yesterday or the day before yesterday,

made a decision that yes. the ground operation in rafieh will be mandatory, the israel defense forces will go there in order to destroy, destroy the last representatives of hamas there, the fighters, but it will be in two stages: the first stage will be the release or resettlement of the palestinians who are there as refugees to other places, where it is still unknown, so far it is kept in such a secret, already the second stage - it will be a ground operation. in the raffia that took place in the center and south of the gaza strip, so the operation will be military necessarily, without this, the war that started in order to destroy hamas and give israel the opportunity to live in peace cannot end. a clarifying question, but imagine that somehow you can move a million people quickly enough, if they are... without

weapons, you just physically need some crazy number of buses, some crazy amount of food, because you don't just move them, you have to feed a million people at least three times a day, and children may need even more, and they need even less , that is, it is such a grandiose operation, after which a real military operation will begin, what do you say, yes , it is really very difficult, and at the moment both the military cabinet and international... international forces are working on it, egypt is also involved in this, and qatar and other countries, which contribute to somehow help these refugees and where their children actually go. by the way, i want to say that a very interesting situation is taking place in the gas sector itself: more than 30 arab clans have united and opposed the terrorist organization hamas, based

what? based on what was wrong. was distributed, humanitarian aid was not distributed, it was taken over by hamas, and of course people who are considered civilians, who are not involved in terror, did not receive this aid, and that is why these clans united, so maybe they, too, will be able to help , where the children of these refugees go. thank you very much, thank you very much, svitlana glaz, a journalist from israel, told us everything in detail, and even i stole 27 seconds from iryna. who is waiting to talk about the news on espresso tv. good bye.