even in the hall now, i think they are already finding out, it would be difficult to get there, because there was smoke, and, but the equipment on gs1 has already been partially put into operation or connected, and already partially dniproges has already started working, well, they will figure out the energy and it is clear that they will restore this equipment in order to ensure... full operation , but it all depends on what equipment is damaged, if it is a generator, it is very difficult, it is necessary, it is more than one month is produced if it is a turbine if these transformers, transformer equipment , well, the energy industry will work, we know that the energy industry has always been characterized by high discipline, high...

organization and the highest professionalism, well, i hope, there are already statements that our european partners, they have already promised to provide assistance in restoration of e-e days of progress, i think that such equipment can be found in warehouses and at other european hydroelectric power stations in order to be able to replace it. regarding thermal power plants, yes, there the situation is more complicated, in europe we do not have such equipment, such boilers do not work, such turbines do not work, so we will have to solve the issue in a slightly different way. the prime minister of ukraine, denys shmygal, during the government meeting, promised to restore electricity supply to household consumers during the day. let's hear what shmigel said. we are currently working to

fix everything, repair crews are working 24x7 to restore electricity to ukrainian homes as soon as possible. we will return the light in three stages: the first - we are revitalizing critical infrastructure, this is heat supply, water supply and hospitals, the second stage is revitalizing the population, the third stage is revitalizing industry. first, we need a day to restore all household consumers. we will restore everything gradually. mr. ivan, shmegel says that the situation is controlled by the government, and under what conditions can this situation be uncontrolled? well, you know, the situation is always the same, energy workers always control the situation, they, because the energy system, it works around the clock, regardless of anything, if there is damage.

the information is immediately available, and not only that they constantly monitor the energy industry, they, they develop new schemes, connect other substations and so on, there are very, very many options, and well, i would not be so optimistic, well, if we had a government, they are always some kind of optimists and the management of the industry, there in a day, well, i think in a day, hardly with such... shoved blows, i also said, it is a few days, i think, a week, if they are revived, if all consumers can, even after that we must understand what came the heating season, the equipment worked almost in its full capacity, we need to repair this equipment, power units in the summer, they cannot work there for a whole year or two or three. without repairs, we

need to decommission this equipment , and not exclusively, not exclusively, given that the situation in the power grids is so complicated, we will have to disconnect some group of consumers for a certain period of time, and it fully understood that, this is war, can you imagine , such, well, well, such, such has never happened in any country, and here are my colleagues, how in terms of equipment, it works and there is no blackout, tell me, you write everything down and remember it, you will need to teach us, it's really incredible things that power engineers are doing today, well, it's so easy to say yes, here we go. we will do everything, well, i would, i would not

say so, i would not say so, i am not so optimistic, it is a very difficult situation, dozens of substations, high-voltage networks, several. of dnyapragst power plants, well, well, well, what a day, well, thank you, thank you, mr. ivan, for the conversation, it was ivan plachkov, former minister of fuel and energy of ukraine. friends, we are live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, take part in our poll, we ask you whether ukraine should strike russia's critical infrastructure, yes, no, or your answer, please write in the comments if you... watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote. if you believe that ukraine should strike russia's critical infrastructure (0800-211-381, no), 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, we

will sum up the results of this vote at the end of the program. next, we will be in touch with valery chaly, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19, chairman of the ukrainian crisis management board. of the media center, mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, you know, literally before our eyes the story of the shooting is unfolding in the moscow region, well, they are already talking 40 40 the dead and more than 100 wounded, some unknown people entered the city hall shopping center in kroka, where the concert of the band picnic was taking place, now this shopping center is on fire, some people are in... the beach, of course, there is very little information, but the way the russians are spreading all this hysteria and history now, it seems that after that putin will call to save the country, as he likes to say, and use this

story to increase mobilization, or to conduct additional mobilization, to blame ukraine for this. as it was, by the way, at one time in the early 2000s, when events took place in nordost, here i am watching this footage, i immediately have the story of nordost in front of my eyes, how do you observe this, how do you assess whether it is similar to those provocations or terrorist attacks that were supposed to take place in russia, which , by the way, the americans warned before putin's election, the so-called election, well, let's start with the fact that... you said that we don't have enough information to say what's going on, and moreover, everything that comes from russia , it goes through informational influences, so i don't think we we will have some reliable information, here you correctly emphasized that you warned

about the possibility of terrorist attacks, in fact you left some representatives of the embassies and called on several... countries to leave their citizens there, well, in the past weeks they left russia, i.e. in principle, it means that all this was foreseen by the intelligence of these countries, but we will see why this is being done , that is, it is clear that now different versions can be made, but i am not a supporter of any conspiracy theory, i am only stating what are medical facts that it was expected and just right commented... this is in line with what you said, the strengthening of the actions inside russia, well, we will hear further, as a rule, they form special information such throws from this, we get the next throw, i think,

who is to blame for this, that this happened, that is , i will not be very surprised if it is tied to their tasks now of external blackmail. countries and ukrainians in the context of russia's war against ukraine, but for today, for today, i think, one more conclusion, well, it seems to me that we pay too much attention to the fact that is happening er in this case in moscow, if we have really serious things on the front, and well, one way or another there will be news around it, but don't forget that we have more pressing problems. issues that require our formation, including the informational one, without any doubt, i agree with you, but since this whole story is unfolding, well, literally at this moment there in the moscow region, well, in this story , it is obvious, it is obvious there

the russian special services could not do without, because the russians are rebroadcasting and broadcasting what is there now telegram cesspools there and various russian channels, well... about the fact that they disperse this whole topic. for the last two nights, the russians have been launching massive missile attacks on critical infrastructure facilities. putin's army is beating. in the cities, putin's army is hitting the dniproges, wiping out entire streets and making the whole of kharkiv and the whole of ukraine unlivable, whether the reaction of the world community to what happened is enough, well, in particular, this night the most massive shelling and strikes, such powerful blows to the energy infrastructure of ukraine. well, i'll tell you what enough, of course, the answer

is simple, not enough, and there is a basic question here , in fact, we, let’s say, not us, in the world are getting used to this kind of messages, because this is not the first time, and you know, russia systematically uses , well, i say it again, strategic bombers, which are for nuclear war. in general, they were preparing, they are using one and a half thousand kilograms of a ton of bombs, that is, everything is going obviously, and everyone knows it, it’s just that there is no such reaction, because no one understands what to do with it in that paradigm, in the strategy that was used by different countries of the world before this, and it is obvious to everyone that if... you do not change your approaches in countering russian criminal, defiant, insolent and

such frank actions, then it can go far. what you can see here, you can see what they are demonstrating, is blackmail, it's obviously not only what you said, and that's right, the destruction of the infrastructure, but it's also blackmail, that is, they're trying to force surrender. ukrainians in such and such steps, because they perfectly understand that , firstly, not all these means are accurate, and secondly, that they do go astray, and thank god, a large part of them are our military, and the defense forces, and the air defense, and the air force, they are well done, and our firefighters, and those who eliminate the consequences, they... are fighting in this war, and this is obviously a total war, and in a total war

there is now a stage where you can see what is happening, that is, this is the maximum strengthening of all the capabilities of russia, which is actually weaker in the near future, and, by the way, german chancellor olaf scholz also spoke about this, intelligence data show that the situation in russia is not improving, it is difficult for us, but for them everything is also going down, so they want you... to use this moment and now they, it was predicted, in these months are increasing the pressure in all directions, on everyone, but after that i 'm sure they won't succeed in anything, that is, the only thing we cannot lose, well , first of all, two things, of course, we want people not to die, so obviously we have to work as hard as possible now so that the means of the ppu. anti-missile defenses were as effective as possible with the help of partners and with

the help of the skills acquired by our military, but it is clear that you cannot do this to counteract such massive actions, but i emphasize once again that here i see a lot of elements of a non-military nature, namely such terrorist intimidation and demonstration of force, that is, in some moments... it is visible, therefore, in the grand scheme of things, it shows the gaps that we have, it shows our partners the actions that are needed now, not procrastinating further, and it is very important, you rightly said, to show it as much as possible in the world now, there is one nuance here: last year ukraine was serious, not last year, but in 22 , ukraine is serious won in russia in the work of information. international relations outside the country, here is the personal contribution of president zelenskyi, and

ukrainian diplomacy, and everyone together, everyone worked on this, now the situation is more complicated, much more complicated, and i will tell you, well, let's be frank , there is such an index of soft power, russia, having lost its reputation in the 22nd year, well , catastrophically, it is in the 105th position, and has fallen to the 105th position in the world. but now they have risen to the level again with us, this means not only the western partners of course, this means china, and brazil, and south africa and all countries, but this is a challenge, so we need... i think in every direction to strengthen the truth and fixation of those positions and legal, legal, narratives that russia is now trying to undermine. in the energy sector, this is also a separate direction, i would say, here they will intimidate opportunities, just the next stage will be

the use of objects of our infrastructure for terrorist actions, terrorist acts. as the zaporozhye station is captured by them, as they did with kakhovskaya, as they have there on the isthmus to crimea, that is, unfortunately, this threat of using such man -made dangerous objects is growing again, so we have to be ready for it, but russia thereby demonstrates that they also have a picture that they create, it does not correspond to the real state of affairs, otherwise some actions would be completely different. strength of character, that is , they are now, it seems to me, concentrating all their forces, all their possibilities , in order to achieve the capitulation of ukraine. well, it is obvious that the latest statements, including those of dmitry piskov, are aimed at this. putin's press secretary, who stated that we previously talked about a special military operation, and there is a war going on, and russia

is in a state of war with ukraine, allegedly because the west began to... support ukraine, in an interview in the argumenty i fakty newspaper, he said that literally , we are in a state of war, so it started as a special military operation, but as soon as a group was formed there, when a collective event became a participant in this on the side of ukraine, for us it has already become by war, i he is convinced of this, everyone should understand it for their internal mobilization, and at the same time he blurted out that russia cannot allow it to exist on its borders. a state that has a documented intention to use any methods to take crimea from it, not to mention the territories of new regions, that is , everything is completely turned upside down, later pisco began to justify himself, said that the de jure is an ied, but where - in fact, this is already a war, and what is on piskov's tongue is obviously on putin's

mind and has been on his mind for a long time, that he is waging a war, or means... it is hoped that with the next, the next so-called election of putin, they will already approach the war with ukraine in a different way and move to some new stage, which, well, they have to spend there in 2024. the legal point is important here, as it is not surprising, the state of war, if it had not been declared in russia, it would have changed a lot . not in the situation itself, of course, at the front, but in russia, it would really be a signal of a completely different nature, that is why he began to take back his words, he said it deliberately, of course, but began to correct, i have my own there is a version of this, it does not pretend to be the final truth, but i can admit with

a great deal of vanity, these numbers that were drawn to putin on... on this farce that they call the 87% election, they do not correspond to reality, they do not correspond, the difference with the real support that is in russia and the numbers that they drew, they know, well, a narrow circle, well, it's not so narrow, i think that it can break through somewhere, and that's why it seems to me that this is what happened, that putin, on the contrary, now again needs to... concentrate power, because he realized what, let's say, already his entourage, we took power for another six years, and now let's think about how to share all the burdens of the war, and how who gets what at this time, there are many dissatisfied people, so he needs to strengthen his role,

and he strengthens his role through the trusted ministry of defense to... from those directions that he controls, because there are other towers of the kremlin there, so it is, in my opinion, in order to return control to the knowledgeable in such an environment, it turned out that all kinds of candidates should be proclaimed there and provided for it is possible to beat everything else, but then the question arises, and the same methods are used again, and i do... this one, i interpret it as a weakness of putin, a weakness that has received the real situation, which is known only to a very small number of still a circle around, around him. well, at the same time, the ministry of defense of great britain tweeted on behalf of the ministry of defense that russia will attack the critical

infrastructure of ukraine as long as it has the means to do so, and the month-long pause in strikes using long-range aviation was caused by the problems of the air fleet planning management, i will quote the message of the ministry of defense. russia will almost certainly continue to strike critical targets as far as the aircraft, aircrews and weapons stockpiles allow, in an effort to maintain pressure on the ukrainian government and population through its ability to strike in a standoff, a sign of a long campaign in which tactical aviation, such as fighter jets and helicopters, continues to have limited impact on the overall conflict, judging by this message report of the ministry of defense of great britain, it turns out that from now on and forever. russia will fire at ukraine, because they will never run out of planes, helicopters and missiles, because they still produce them and continue to produce them, because russia is

a country that, as a rule, exports oil, gas, war, fear, intimidation of the world, well, look, we see a lot of such conclusions, they have the right to exist, but i will tell you, one thing you need to understand, no... you need to believe everything that they say, and that it is directly reliable, you quoted me, that there ordinary aviation, it will not have such an impact here, but from where, from which planes, they launch non-strategic bombers, dryers, they launch coffees, and let's say, the consequences of this and that weapon, they are for us.. .seriously sensitive, but what does that mean aviation won't matter, and if there are 60 additional f-16s, it will

matter with the appropriate weapons, and why, again, will not matter if the bombers are out there trying launching bombs then they won't matter about the bombers, well , first of all, of course, i've already said, it's from... a nuclear war , and what's going on, i just, i'm just shocked that no one, not china , is looking at it, the weapons nuclear war is used to kill people, just kill people by what they launch, that is, it is absolutely a last resort, and they use everything when they say that the escalation of russia, well, sorry, strategic bombers use. now or how long is this all possible? first of all, pilots are needed for all this, they are needed, and they need to be restored and repaired,

because after all, a lot of time has passed and it is necessary to constantly monitor them, yes, they are still working, but you still need to think, you need to think about how to try to get them to the places basing , they already... drove these bombers far into the wilderness, but it's all right, our guys, ours will find a way, i'm sure, to reduce this kind of threat, we can't find a response to them now, but you know , there was a time when we did not have a reaction to other means, but gradually it was found, in relation to the actions of partners, if they say that... this is what russia continues, then they should think in terms of how to minimize this threat, that's all, if there are cabs, for example, bombs , which are currently destroying our border

there and are just knocking all this over the houses, there are also radio electronic warfare systems, such systems are in the leading countries, so it is possible that we should not put pressure there all the time on the same types of distant missiles... as they say , but let's talk about it now, because in principle against each scrap there is a technique, and even against all of them there are also, and, for example, what is being hit on the corresponding, not just the infrastructure, we are not hitting on the infrastructure, that is, just somewhere, but specifically us well, we saw it very accurately selectively at oil refineries that provide just the right fuel. for the war, no matter what anyone says, it works, it works, and you have to find where the fuel for these bombers is produced,

and it will work, and when these bombers do not have ... there are no pilots, fuel and everything else, then and they will be with iron, well but for this you have to work, so you mentioned about oil refineries, about our strikes on refineries, today ft wrote about the fact that the united states of america allegedly called on ukraine to stop attacks on the energy infrastructure of russia, and in particular on oil refineries, on some they sent anonymous three sources. after that , the deputy prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration olga stefanishyna stated that oil refineries on the territory of russia are legitimate targets of ukraine from a military point of view, in particular nato standards, and there is the statement of oleksiy danilov, secretary of the national security council, during the kyiv security forum, who stated that ukraine has the right to independently choose targets for attacks on russian territory, let's listen to what danilo said, it is quite unexpected.

it's a thing, but i don't know who did it and why, but america is a big country, and it can't afford such things, well, logically, what concerns our war, the key word connecting our war, we are not going to ask anyone what we are going to attack on the territory of russia, we will destroy the russians wherever we find them, everything related to the military-industrial sector. complex of the russian federation, we will not ask permission from anyone. mr. valery, is it possible to assume that such conversations could have taken place between washington and kyiv, and washington could have warned kyiv not to attack russia's oil refining facilities, because they say that oil prices will rise there, although on the contrary , oil exports have increased there, because oil refining the plant is already producing some oil product. well, so, so

the conversation, by the way, on the sidelines of the forum, i also just came from there, the kyiv security forum, a very powerful, by the way, was a two-day event, and there was a lot of discussion on the sidelines of this topic, precisely by our partners, and i was asked the following question , not so much americans as british, french, spanish, that is, i think that i ... i don't want to speculate, there is a statement, well there is a statement of a bastard, that is, i don't know how to take it, that is, as an official position, but it denies the fact that in the negotiations, jake sullivan, that he passed on such information, no one will say about it, of course, publicly, well, let's say, what the secretary of the national security council said.

whatever conversations there were, but this is part of our strategy, so he confirmed that it is so, therefore, in principle, this page can be turned over. ukraine really has to do it, we have no choice. we have no choice, that is , we cannot afford not to defend ourselves in defense, and this is defense, it is not an attack, it is purely a kind of defense. offensive means that you occupy territories, and if you attack communications. as or there by warehouses or by factories, by the way, this saves the lives , surprisingly, even of the enemy, the occupier, that is, it simply deprives him of some of the means, now it is moving to such a stage that without destroying the capabilities of russia to wage war by various means and strengthening sanctions, there to cut off bypasses , but in this way, without it,

nothing is possible. to do, sorry, i would say yes, introduce an embargo completely on oil products for russia all over the world, which should have been done according to e-e sanctions, which are not embargoed, that is, and then we can to talk about something, and if this is all, he not only refuels tanks or planes, but also goes to earn money and strengthens the possibilities of continuing the war. then this war will indeed be long, but if these opportunities are cut off, then the terms of the war will be shortened. ukraine is interested in not waging a war of attrition with russia, and not waging a war of attrition, that means doing the maximum that is possible now with the help of partners, they should wake up and understand that the time has come, if they do not do this, russia will really prepare.