the country will lose even more people, but you heard colleagues in the previous panel say that russia is opposed by the world public, which is stronger, but russian soldiers are outnumbered seven to one at the front. ms. elena, dzerkal, i would like to hear your opinion regarding the negotiations, the key points that, in the end, especially should... be the subject of consideration, i have a lot of experience in negotiations with the russians, it is a pity, but i must say that all the acceptable ways of negotiating with the russians are not have realities, you are not talking to representatives, you're talking to putin, this team you're talking to is just embodying his... decision and it

's a complete waste of time, that's the lesson i learned because we talked for hours and hours with the russians about the gas supply before the winter of 2014 , trade issues, other issues, and everywhere the situation was the same, they are playing games, their main ideas. in his words, you have to learn to listen to him, he convincingly talks about the war a few years ago, how he started the war, he talked about crimea, crimea, they say, is part of the russian federation, when he intimidated ukraine, talked about novorossia, and you can continue to do so.

that we do not hear him, and now the worst has come true, we continue not to hear him, because ukraine, the west does not hear him, because for him ukraine is not a participant in the negotiations, for him peace means when in a month, in two, before the influx of 22- th year he spoke about russia's place on a global scale. it is necessary to understand that the west must understand that what putin needs is not the territory of ukraine, but the territory of ukraine. in his understanding, this is a buffer zone. and he very clearly stated not so long ago, and now i repeat, it is necessary to understand the entire register of available options, that the event is ready.

to propose to mr. putin, this is the real question. thank you for this opinion. it seems that all our conversations about talks and negotiations are primarily about ukrainians, and western partners have leverage over ukraine, but how can they influence the russian federation. the russian economy is not that big. one must speak the sankchi language. what sanctions need to be improved now, what steps can the west put on the table regarding finances, continue to stop this aggression stop the war and prevent other aggressive wars. i think that we still think that this conflict is connected only with ukrainian territory, but i will repeat myself. this is a tactic i

call not looking up, not looking up. we ukrainians do not need to be convinced that this is such a war, we have shown that we are ready to defend our land, we know how many more provocations there will be, we know how many options will be proposed, all of these will be fake options, because it is obvious. we have to realize, he currently thinks he is stronger than he was a year ago, today he does not even think and does not allow the thought of peace negotiations with ukraine, we really need peace, we need well-being and wealth, we need to fight, and this fight will continue for several more years, we need to... protect our existence not only in

singing and fighting, as well as in the international arena. nicely said, thank you. i want to give the floor to ambassador systanovych. in the west, in particular, we hear that everyone is in favor of negotiations, all wars end in negotiations, or wars end in negotiations, historically, as you can see, when and under what conditions the negotiations will begin. so. most wars are not negotiable, either won or lost. and each one must choose what you choose, whether you intend to win the war or the obstacle. and some do not end at all. this is also

a possibility that should be taken into account. and some can go through negotiations and do. the next war even more likely, let's say, the criticism of the negotiations after the first world war is that much was not resolved, and therefore an even worse, yet zhorshtukisha world war ii. i would like to add that to diplomacy, one of the most immediate things that is said about diplomacy, usually in the spirit of cold realism, is that it is not... there is no point in negotiating with your friends, you have to negotiate with your enemies, that is us should prepare for this vagrant business of sitting down to negotiate with the enemy, but we know that quite often we

really negotiate with our friends, and not with our enemies, and this is right, and the reason is obvious, it is not only that that... there is always even a basis for negotiations with the enemy, now i don't see, let's say, no basis for an agreement with russia, all talk of negotiations is empty talk, but that does not mean that there is no room for diplomacy, here diplomacy can be of great value among friends, and you as a diplomat can do. yes, in order to ensure unity with your friends, and that, or so that those who are not yet your friends, or who have not yet decided, in the end did not choose the wrong side, it is also worth negotiating for this, and this is a task for the ukrainian diplomacy, in my opinion, and for western

diplomacy as well, in particular american diplomacy, ukraine spent a lot of time formulating the terms of peace, not because they... that there is any basis for an agreement with russia in order to unite the front in struggle with russia in order to, say, slow down the rapprochement of, say, china with russia in order to limit their cooperation, cooperation between russia, china, this is also part of the democratic effort, to try. this is to make sure that those who have not yet decided do not move towards your enemy, approached you with their position, but it is still very important for the diplomatic, for the democratic agenda of ukraine, the united states, and their

allies, is to ensure that everything we do conveys to the opposing side the message that we... about united, and an important test of this will be the washington nato summit, the message that we are committed to supporting ukraine and provided with everything necessary, it will also be a serious test for the american congress. the message that ukraine is working on its reform agenda is already a task for ukrainian the message to the government that there is a general agreement on our side, regarding the goals, and the last thing, that it is also an effective message to the opposite side so that they understand the hopelessness of their position, and on

this basis, the basis for negotiations can be created for the sake of ending but this mainly depends on whether the situation on the battlefield improves. i think many would agree with your assessment, especially regarding want to appeal to you, your country and your leadership in the past have done much to support the position negotiations, and we heard this from the elysée palace many times, and then the french position changed, could we somehow explain the change in the french position regarding. negotiations in particular, i want to emphasize this, i do not

represent either the president or france here. the very nature of war shows. that now there is no basis for negotiations, russia has violated more than 100 international agreements and laws, secondly, if you conduct negotiations, say, regarding the territories, then this will also be a violation of international law, because it is about that ukraine, russia has seized ukrainian territories, we also know very well that if we... and we agree with the fact that russia should receive ukrainian territories, then this will actually be

an invitation to further aggression, we are absolutely aware of this, and we definitely have to move in two directions, i think. and mr. macron said it clearly, we should not accept these, these are all the so-called red lines drawn by russia. let's say, all the warnings that you can't shoot on the territory of russia and so on. all this violates 51 articles of the un charter, including other laws international law. and all of this reluctance or fear of further escalation, all of this

misleads us and allows russia to dictate the agenda, we've been allowing russia to shape the agenda for 20 or 24 years and we shouldn't continue to do so. before us is an aggressor who knows no bounds. let 's say that if both sides were in favor of negotiations, it could be supported, but russia is absolutely evil and has no desire for negotiations, they are taking over ukraine, they have taken over the territories of georgia, have encroachments on belarus and intend to continue. different in syria, and it is also worth

mentioning the support of russia, hamas, north korea, cuba and nicaragua, that is, we should not accept their red lines. and another is that we must. consider all possible options, we have to have a pretty clear vision of our goal, if the goal is to defeat russia, and we have to defeat russia, and the french president has clearly said that, we cannot allow russia to win if we believe that the war that russia is waging is not only complete this work and

to help ukraine win, to expel russian troops from its territory. in the end, this will be enough, because we clearly know that if russia is not completely defeated, she will regain her strength, in two, two, four, five years, renew her aggression, that is, we must. the overall picture of what russia imagines to be, what its goals are, so we should not only not accept their there... red lines should not be afraid of escalation, should not be afraid of a conflict between nato and russia, which was so often talked about at the vilnius summit . at, please don't do this or that because it will trigger a war between russia and nato. no, we should not bow to russia's threats

to use nuclear weapons. we must understand all these things and clearly say that we are considering all possible options, we can talk about this in more detail, maybe we can and we must not exclude the option. leading our troops into ukraine, since this war is also our war, and we cannot fight it behind the backs of ukrainians, to wage such a proxy war, we have full to be involved in one way or another in bringing about this war. great, thank you very much, this is

a powerful message, we have representatives here. of the three nuclear powers, among our speakers, countries, these are nato member countries, and let's be honest, the nuclear dimension of this war sets it apart from the previous world wars, the first and second world wars, and that's partly why we hear so often that we're going to have to somehow ... find an agreement with putin, since otherwise we will face the threat of nuclear escalation, we must give putin the opportunity to get out of the situation so that he does not lose face, heard apparently, more than once, as it was discussed, putin very openly, candidly spoke about his goals, and he did not ask for the opportunity to save

face, and something ambassador sestan. i see that you have taken the microphone, you have some reaction, let me then go to the ambassador and ask you the following: suppose in some years there will be an end to this war, and there will be some regulation that we will be accompanied by, as the ambassador said smith. sensible proposals, and i understand that i understand correctly that such a settlement would reshape euro-atlantic security structures, that it will be a systemic change to some extent, what type of europe will emerge in that case, what must happen after this war is over, and

when there will be a peaceful settlement so that nothing... like this happens again, thank you very much, dear friends, allow me to be very undiplomatic today, i am now an independent expert, i can explain what i want to say, to be honest, i don't see any topic, any subject for today's discussion, i mean negotiations, madam ambassador mirror. said that she had experience with russians, i can tell you that i have been involved in this business since the mid-90s, in various forms and aspects, i can tell you that if we imagine that there are some people

who live on the moon today, i can to tell you openly, frankly, that it was much easier ... or to find a certain compromise with them than with the russians, i'm sorry to say this, but this has been my conclusion since the mid-90s. look, you might ask me why? because the russians interfere at every step. this is the character of these people, this is their nature. and again, in my opinion, the question of the roots of such russian politics is very important, with my friends from the center of russian words. we are now trying to understand this character of this country, the nature of this population, and i would

recommend you this book, you can find it on the internet, it's called multidimensional racism, the beginning and the end, i really think it can help. understand what we are talking about and what we should do about it, i would say the post-russian territory, and again, going back to your question, to say now about negotiations, brings me to another question, are we going to bury the international now. to bury the international order that we have now, which means entering into negotiations with the aggressor, it means

that we recognize that force will rule, that aggression is normal, that all crimes are normal, that you can do whatever you want want, maybe each of us. that russia has committed a crime of international aggression, what kind of negotiations can we have with this country, about what? that is why, dear friends, my idea is in that we can of course think about the possible forms of such negotiations, but in my opinion, it would be much more interesting to discuss the future of this russia or post-soviet russia,

and in this sense there are many reasons to start negotiations on the forms of this new state in this territory , regarding militarization, demilitarization of this territory, declarification of that territory, and so on and so forth. this, in my opinion, would be much smarter than looking for, or at least formulating some ideas, some scenarios, about nothing while we have this regime in russia, on my opinion, at least, but it will be absolutely impossible to hold any negotiations, maybe... after putin, that's another question. so, let's go step by step. thank you very much, let's hope that in a few years this

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mr. boris, thank you for taking the time, i have several questions for you, and all of them seem to me to be important: to what extent do you think it is possible to continue this process, will we start the process of transferring russian assets, they say that at the summit leaders of the eu, the first billion euros from rosactiv kyiv will be built in july, before that the lawyers quarreled for a very long time. and they said that it is a very complicated system, how to take away, how to arrest, how to take away, then, how to hand over later, court cases and so on and so on, the russians are shouting, we, we will not give it to you, you are languishing in the courts, well, in short , all these words, as far as we can tell, that this door is already open, that the algorithm of action in the west is already clear, and thus ukraine will be able to...