why the kremlin is trying to accuse ukraine of an attack on the city hall step, how it spreads fakes and how the west reacts to all this, in this issue of bbc ukraine we will try. understand, i'm olga polymaryuk. not immediately after the attack on the crocus city hall concert hall near moscow, the kremlin began to blame ukraine. the russian news was the first to talk about the so-called ukrainian trail. later, almost a day after the attack, vladimir putin said that the alleged suspects in the attack were trying to escape and were moving in the direction of ukraine. to such statements president volodymyr zelenskyi responded, denying ukraine's involvement in the attack.

even after the islamic state group claimed responsibility for the attack on kroka city hall, russia did not stop looking for connections between the attackers and ukraine. fsb director oleksandr bortnikov said that the russian special services believed that the usa, great britain and ukraine were involved in the attack. in london, such accusations were called nonsense. foreign secretary david cameron wrote on the x social network: "britain supports the statements of the united states, which clearly indicate" that the ide group is responsible for the attack, and in washington they say that the statements of russian officials, including putin, about the alleged involvement of ukraine in the attack are false and propaganda to justify the kremlin's aggression. so, let's look at the chronology of russian statements after the attack on the steps of the city hall. bbc correspondents, a special department of the bbc, collected and analyzed everything that appeared in the russian information space at the time.

accusations against ukraine were made almost immediately after news of the attack. during the first hour, several pro-kremlin bloggers blamed ukraine. for example, in this publication in telegram, they called for the destruction of the terrorist territory of ukraine. or this post about the kremlin expert serhii markov wrote without any evidence that the attack was probably organized from kyiv. and a few hours after the attack, one of the main russian tv channels, ntv, showed the video. in which oleksiy danilov seems to say that today was fun in moscow and promises new attacks. but this video is fake. we found out that the clip is actually made from these two interviews that were on ukrainian tv, they were published last week, in both videos, the same background and people dressed in the same clothes. the original audio track of danilov's lyrics has also been edited. words he did not speak were added. liverpool john moores university analyzed the audio for bbc verify. track

they concluded that the new audio had been altered. these black spots on the audio frequency indicate that the audio has been edited in some way. vladimir putin on saturday officially accused ukraine. according to him, the attackers were detained when they tried to escape to ukraine, because there, as it were, a window was prepared for them to cross the border. we checked this video of one of the suspects being arrested, it was taken here about 140 km from the ukrainian border. we cannot independently confirm where exactly they were headed. russia has not provided any evidence of the existence of any window through which the attackers were supposed to be let through. we also analyzed the statements of the islamic group the state that claimed responsibility for the attack. they posted this photo of the four attackers with their faces blurred. in addition to the photo, they also published a video from the spot taken by one of the attackers. we have verified this video and numerous details, such as the appearance of the concert hall and the weapons used by the attackers. match other videos that

appeared on the internet during the attack, but this did not stop russia from blaming ukraine for the attack. vitaly shevchenko, russia editor at the bbc monitoring service, joins the broadcast. congratulations you, but 5 days have passed since the attack on crocus center, but the kremlin has not provided any evidence of ukraine's involvement in it. please explain how russian audiences try to present this version? you know, olya, they present this version in such a way that there is no evidence or any details, but it becomes very clear that ukraine is behind this, this attack, and its so-called western curators, well, for example, today the first the arguments and facts newspaper page is such a vivid example of this approach, there in capital letters. what do we know

whoever is behind this terrorist act, let them burn the blame, there are portraits of zelensky, scholz, macron. the two prime ministers of england, sunak and boris johnson , the past prime minister, how they know this is not explained, but this is the whole approach of russian propaganda, we know, but we will not tell you exactly how, ugh, that is such rather harsh, cruel narratives, yes even, but lukashenka's statement also appeared, he said that the attackers allegedly wanted to escape to belarus, but saw that... that they would not succeed, they turned around and headed to the ukrainian border, but such statements contradict the kremlin's statements, don't they? contradict, but the russian audience should not get used to contradictions, contradictions, firstly, well, it is probably naive

to expect that all viewers and readers will sit down and compare what putin said, what lukashenko said, and secondly, there are no people left in russia... who will point to this, to some inconsistencies, some contradictions, and thirdly, well, this is the kind of approach we have seen in russian propaganda for many years, a contradiction, mismatches, some completely different versions, and when the russian viewer watches all this, well , i think it will be logical to assume that he will sit down and think that... when we don't know exactly how it happened, that is, i have to, probably to return to football, ballet, and this is exactly what the kremlin wants to achieve , so that there is no political activism among the viewers of the country's main tv channels, and

thank you vitaly, now i want to know what to talk about, the fact that as a result of the attack on krukus city hall, people died more than 140 people, eight men were arrested, four of them. are directly suspected of the attack , three are involved in the attack, another man is believed to have rented an apartment to one of the suspects, as we said before, the islamic state group claimed responsibility for the attack, but why is this not enough for the kremlin, as in russia is trying to connect ukraine and the so-called islamic state, i suggest listening to samuel romani, a viewer from the british royal institute of defense studies. all this is an imaginary threat of ukrainian nazism. we often saw how people like dmytro polyanskyi made similar statements. syrian state media and others have also promoted it. in russia, there is a conspiracy theory that, in fact, the united states was behind the creation of idols in afghanistan, that unmanned helicopters

dropped weapons and supplies to fight the taliban. this is what was discussed many years ago when russia tried to push american troops out of afghanistan. states and the russians also claim that the americans are inciting ukraine to attack their territory based on their propaganda, which they embedded in recent years, this is how they connect deal, ukraine and the usa. it may all be the same in putin's head, but to the western and mostly international audience it is delusional. yes, and we return to the conversation with vitaly shevchenko. vitaliy, we heard that there was a window on the border, and that there was some alleged... ukrainian trail, so why doesn't the kremlin blame ukraine directly? you know, olya, there is a certain hierarchy of heads that tell russians how they should interpret all these events. the kremlin and putin's spokesman, dmitry

pyaskov, they, well, blamed ukraine, but no directly, they entered... there was such a room for maneuver, but other russian figures, they said quite directly, this is ukraine, among them, for example, the head of the russian security council and alexander bortnikov, the head of the fsb, they said yes, behind this and ukraine, and the united states, and great britain, but one must understand that the proof. they did not provide any, and it would be naive to expect that russian television and the russian authorities would somehow roll out such a neat and elegant theory

about why ukraine with all this connected, that's not how it all works on russian television, yes, but let's look at it from another side, the united states ... warned of a possible attack, but it was actually ignored, that's how it is explained to the audience in russia, at alexander bortnikov, head of the fsb. there is also this explanation, he said that the warning of the united states, it had a very general nature, but russia reacted to it as it should, exactly as he did not say, well, what bortnikov said, but, well, you have to understand , that russian television it does not focus on finding out how it happened that the united states warned. but russia has not done anything, you have to sit down, research, look at various sources

of information in russia, and this, as you understand, is not so easy. yes, vitaly, please stay in touch, the western media are already writing, spreading accusations and theories out of tongues, the kremlin has launched a whole disinformation machine, and thus diverts attention from the miscalculations of the russian special services. and that's what the audience of the washington institute said on the bbc the study of war, by carolina hirt. available evidence from open sources indicates that this was a major failure of russian intelligence and law enforcement agencies. we know that the russians received information from the united states about a possible attack and events in moscow. but due to the very high level of mistrust between russia and the us, they decided to ignore these warnings. we also know that law enforcement was very slow to respond to the first reports of the shooting. so, these are all very systemic errors. this does not necessarily mean that it is small. place some big conspiracy russian special services in planning this attack. the islamic state group claimed

responsibility for the attack. we have no reason to believe that it was on ida. all the attack patterns, statements, and so on really match up with how they carry out their attacks, and the kremlin's response has been to deny it. it seems that all these high-ranking russian officials are shouting different things in front of each other. this suggests that they were so prepared. before this attack that they don't even have a consistent line of communication after what happened, except, of course, to blame ukraine. i think there are several reasons why the russians did not react to the intelligence . first of all, this is a basic mistrust of the united states. secondly, i think the russian authorities were concerned about conducting searches or arrests in muslim minority ethnic enclaves, because the kremlin was counting heavily on these communities to mobilize for the war in ukraine, because migrant workers... from central asia are a very disproportionately large target for all shadow mobilization efforts of the kremlin, which

avoids general mobilization. so, if the russians were to take advantage of this intelligence and start raiding these communities, they would risk further resentment and alienation in the very communities they see as potential for mobilizing people to wage war. and so we return to the conversation again, as soon as we heard from an expert from... this whole story raises the following question: how can the kremlin's accusations of ukraine's alleged involvement in the attack affect the war? well, we know what russia has already done so many terrible things in ukraine that it doesn't really need any excuses, any reasons, that ukraine did it, we answer yes, but, well, at the same time, russia can do even more harm, and it is not excluded. that all these accusations, in principle, they can prepare some basis for this, in russian

politics, of course, this can also be used, for example, if putin wants to announce additional mobilization, he can say that this is a response to what ukraine did in step c holly, but that's all assumptions, i want to say again that for new attacks of some kind, russia actually does not need any... any reasons or excuses. vitaly shevchenko, russia editor at the bbc monitoring service, please contact us. thank you. well, that's all we have time to talk about today, look for more stories on our website bbc.ua, as well as on our pages in social networks. we're back on the air tomorrow, as always, at 9 p.m. all the best and take care.

greetings friends, the second part of the verdict program is on the air of the tv channel, my name is serhiy rudenko, today in the release of the anti-terrorist phase of the war, the massacre in crocus revealed the weakness of putin's power, how the kremlin uses the moscow terrorist attack against. of ukraine. rotations in the power unit. experts say that budanov is strengthening. results of changes in the top military leadership of the state. most. the government's mistake, ukrainians are concerned about the illegal enrichment of officials, whether it is necessary to strengthen responsibility for corruption during the war. we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube platforms and facebook, on youtube and on tv, we conduct polls. we are asking you today whether it is necessary

to strengthen responsibility for corruption during the war. everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, or write your special opinion. in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think accountability should be increased for wartime corruption (0800-211-381), no (0800-211-382 ), all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we let's sum up the results of this vote. i want to introduce today's guests, they are political expert oleksiy holobutsky, political technologist, deputy director of the situation modeling agency, mr. oleksiy, i welcome you, thank you for joining our broadcast. congratulations, and viktor boberenko, political scientist, expert, bureau of policy analysis. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good health to you. well, since, since we ask, gentlemen, our tv viewers and viewers about what they think about

corruption, whether it is necessary to strengthen responsibility for wartime corruption. let's use the format of a cross-examination, let's try to give... the answer to this, well, it would seem like a rhetorical question, but still, mr. viktor, i think that our citizens will definitely answer that yes, yes, our citizens are all against corruption, but for a brother, matchmaker or uncle to decide, we forget that we allow corruption, but i think everyone will answer that they should be shot on the spot, many will say like in china, well at least me on to the focus groups, the majority , the absolute majority, are in favor of increasing responsibility to the death penalty, and i believe that it is simply necessary for our law enforcement agencies to work properly, because as a rule, they make money in this way, first they arrest someone, and then they offer

a choice of a couple of protocols there, and one that is drawn up correctly and well, that's it... chad1 , which is drawn up there, conditionally there, as it happened, and this protocol, well, it will allow you to win a court case later from the procedural points there. thank you, mr. viktora, mr. oleksiy, well i agree with my colleague, in principle, the schizophrenic state of our society, which demands to fight corruption, but at the same time is maximally tolerant of corruption on... unfortunately, this is such an absolutely idiotic position of a huge number of people who think that if we call for the execution of people for corruption, hanging lanterns on their poles or some such terrible actions, plucking off ears, as in russia, yes, it will change something, in fact it does not change anything, in

china they are shot, every year there are new corrupt people, which need... to shoot, and this has been going on for decades. first, low-level and middle-level corruption must be overcome, and high-level corruption must be kept within certain limits, it exists in almost all countries, ah, and all our bodies, er, anti-corruption legislation is sufficient to arrest and punish corrupt people, it would only be the political will and the main desire of the people themselves to really fight corruption, and not to imitate it at their own level, roughly speaking, and not to be as they once said, we are not against the soviet government, or at least not in our village , well, there used to be one this is a saying in soviet times, why do we talk about corruption, why did we mention it, because yesterday in sumy two deputies of the regional council were arrested for trying to give a bribe of 100

thousand dollars to the head of the sumy city military administration. oleksiy oleksiy drozdenko for cases related to the merger of two hospitals, and actually those who manage the market and those who keep one of the hospitals there tried to solve it, but today immediately after this message, how they were detained, today until volodymyr zelenskyi came to sumy oblast, and that's why it turns out that during zelenskyi's visit, two... respectable and respected people of sumy were detained because they tried to bribe a third respectable person in sumy. volodymyr zelenskyi got acquainted with the course of fortification construction. buildings near the city of sumy, let's listen to what zelensky himself said about what he saw. the second for today is, of course, all

the issues of protecting sumy oblast, every community, every city, especially difficult in the border areas, there is constant russian terror, there is constant shelling, airstrikes, countering sabotage groups of the enemy. i am grateful to all the soldiers. to all the commanders of the armed forces, and soldiers of the border guard, and our policemen, and the national guard, the security service of ukraine, all those involved, all those who protect. mr. viktor, well, the first question for you is that the city of sumy is not a small city, and it is obvious that the bribes are of such a size, 100,000 dollars there, it is still not 1 million g. which were offered to the head of the utility service or the utility workers offered to someone there, well, this story was literally several

months ago, what is happening in the border areas of sumy, that is, the russians are hunting and shelling sumy and the sumy region, and here it turns out that such money is circulating, well, first i would ask volodymyr oleksandrovich, of course no one will let me in, i would ask a question. you ask for a platoon support point for 45 million, there was such a tender offer, it was just that public organizations raised money and it was removed from the tenders, but imagine a platoon support point for 45 million, well, that’s a lot, but again last year they gave for restoration very very big money there for more than a billion, so... and they also did not give to all communities, they gave ridiculously for restoration, but they are building a new water main, you see, there in one of the communities, but

they could not master part of the money, because they give, or give , as they do in a cunning way, or they give it to the community, but then, you understand, the contractor must be ours, or then the region conducts the tender itself, and then the contractor is definitely ours, well, it is clear that it is not the head of the military... administration, but someone from some from departments, for example, there, well , there, as it is, capital management of construction, something like that, yes, or kyiv is conducting there, that is, mustafa naim conducts, you understand, from kyiv, which is more visible, in which village, how is he putting spikes, and all this leads me to think that they are demanding to roll back, roll back , kickbacks, i.e. from money even for reconstruction, here... this is what concerns zelenskyi's trip, he would not have inquired there, well, because he is being shown beautifully, i have also seen that they are already showing tacos there, here that, well,

they are showing beauty , and such a feeling that his head is spinning, but i would really like him to gather several experts who would show, look, here is a tender, here is a tender, here is a tender, here, here, here, here, and why, why is mustafa nayem conducting... tenders in kyiv, why not transfer this money to the subvention to the local communities, and then they stand with a stick so that they don't steal anything at the grassroots level somewhere, because if the subvention is not transferred, i immediately have an absolutely clear suspicion that there is a kickback here and there, so, so , so, and the fact that we are shelled every day, that's it, well, they've already taken on sumy region very, very recently. thank you, mr. viktor and oleksiy, can you somehow explain why corruption does not decrease during the war, and why yes, i understand the question, and

why should it decrease, well, because when the question is about it with to survive or to die, here in principle there is no such thing, well, it somehow changes, first of all, those who are engaged in this, they, they have windows at the border, they have... all the documents, they have, i i think there are also their own bunkers, some storage facilities and so on, well, that’s what they work for, don’t you think, well, to to have the opportunity to have more opportunity to survive and so on, the more so, again, the majority of these people, they are nobody in any intellectual or any other sense, in any country, normal, so they at most, so that they can wash it utensils, and i just know my own experience in... technological level of our politicians, functionaries, officials and so on, they are the biggest patriots, only in this country can you steal like that, what are you, they are me and now i

don’t have any irony just . i personally know people, corrupt people, who are really fighting, who so to speak, well, this is them, i say once again, this is a cash cow, which, if the russians come, they will put the same, so to speak, corrupt people and they will throw them somewhere in a landfill, roughly speaking, yes, that's why everything logical, all the more so, again, this is some kind of our naivety, i don't know, restaurants work, cars are expensive. they forge and drive, well, all the elements of such a normal life are there, but for some reason one of the most important elements of our ukrainian normal life, namely corruption, must disappear somewhere, from which damn it, for what reason, everything works, moreover, war is an opportunity for new ones, you understand, everything happens in such an extreme mode, you can steal more, you can take over various

other people's businesses more. some and many opportunities, this is a window of opportunity for many, that's why i always say yes, we were not switzerland before the war, and during the war we definitely did not become one, there is a sociological survey from the sosys company, and sosys itself says that ukrainians consider the biggest mistakes of the government, the current government, to be high the level of corruption, poor preparation for the war and the resignation of the industrious, and... who took part in this poll, 64%, almost 65 respondents called the biggest mistake of the government the maintenance of a high level of corruption and the distribution of budget funds, and this is a sufficiently high indicator, mr. viktor, despite the fact that every ukrainian wants to become a king somewhere and reign over himself and be the same, well, in the same

status and have the same possibilities. as those in power, does this figure of 65% indicate that 65%, if the question is that to vote there for zelenskyi or for some new face who will ask zelenskyi why all of your friends have their hands intact, why they still have those hands, or whether ukrainians will choose a new face, and not whether they will reject them. to zelensky, that level of corruption, or rather the feeling of what these people are stealing, and to compare it with what was there in the previous terms of office of various presidents. well, until recently, when the first scandal broke out, he had been with 17 eggs for a long time, then society already said that yes, it is very bad, that we have so much corruption, but at the same time,

when they asked the following questions... do you trust president zelensky? yes, or rather, it wasn’t even like that, i don’t remember who conducted it, razumkov, or sotses, or kmis, but the first question there is like, do you think that partly, well, that the responsibility lies with the authorities, but in particular with the president to zelenskyi, yes, conditionally from 70%, yes, we think that yes, he should be there, but do you trust the president, yes? we trust the president, he is a good man, normal, that is, people need this still, our people still need to be taught, how can you do this, but in the meantime, it turns out that we do not have another people, however, to be honest, the percentage is decreasing, that is , people are beginning to realize that since i believe that this person is responsible.

although maybe she doesn’t take part herself, but it’s just bad, zelensky doesn’t have , for example, such an ability as selection, arrangement of personnel, yes, whatever they steal, he’s not a personnel officer, he’s bad, and this is his direct function, yes there in this case, so does not function well, and therefore, maybe he is a good guy, but i, for example, do not trust him there, now there is less between, well , there is no such thing anymore, but still it is still what... a lot, what yes, i think , he must, and i trust him, thank you, thank you, mr. viktor, i will remind our viewers that we are conducting a poll during this broadcast and we are asking you about whether it is necessary to increase the responsibility for corruption during the war, yes, no, on youtube everything is quite simple, either yes or no, if you have any special opinion of your own, please write in the comments under...