er responsibility for corruption during the war needs to be strengthened 0800 211 381 no 0800-211-382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. our first guest is roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the security service of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence. mr. colonel, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, mr. colonel, let's go let's start with the situation in kharkiv, as we see how the enemy is trying to hit the city en masse, today the russians hit kharkiv with guided air bombs, the first time since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, local authorities report one dead and 19 wounded, among them children , with what, mr. colonel, are you talking? it is said that the russian

occupiers are now actively trying to attack kharkiv, they are preparing for a campaign in the kharkiv region, they are making some efforts to make people flee the city, that is, what is their logic, if you can explain? well, i wouldn't get attached only to kharkiv, of course the russians have left to complain about kharkiv, and they are what they didn't capture. they consider it another defeat of theirs, especially since the kharkiv operation knocked them out of the kharkiv region in general, and this is also a big defeat for them, but the russians, they are striking now on the entire front, and the avdiiv operation, in particular, the operation, which at the first time, the first once in the entire war, as i believe, showed that russia is superior in the air through we don't have a ppo, or it's because it's not properly arranged.

because the time has changed a little there and we saw such a lithocap was given out, and the enemy , seeing now that he can create superiority in the air, using including deadly bombs cap, began to use them en masse, both on kherson and zaporizhia, and in the donetsk and kharkiv directions, and sumy, sumy, this is a cheap way for them not to inflict missiles and create an advantage at the expense, at the expense of planes, they have this advantage. use, then, of course, you need to understand that this may be followed by some operations, i am not saying that tomorrow they will attack kharkiv, but the fact that they are using air bombs and planes now shows that they, let's say, well, in particular and there in the eastern direction they are preparing bridgeheads for themselves, so it is necessary to understand that we must do everything to

remove this advantage for the enemy... and this is only the presence of a larger number of anti-aircraft defenses. mr. colonel, russian jellyfish writes that russian so-called political elites do not rule out that russia and its the ruler putin will try to seize kharkiv and gradually end the so-called svo, or he is ready to go to the victor, even to kyiv. however, the ministry of defense of great britain insists that the plans of the russian federation to create two new armies already this year will face... a shortage of new equipment and problems with infrastructure, to what extent can the problems that the british are talking about interfere with these plans of putin? look, we don't see that putin will stop, we see that they are developing their defense and industrial complex, and he is on at some stage it can reach there, let's say to its peak of development and will simply generate what it can at its peak, but putin is developing it, this does not show that...

he is going to stop there somewhere at those boundaries, at which which he is and to simply wage a positional war. we see that the defense-industrial complex is being developed, we see that new armies are being formed, even new districts, and if you ask my opinion, i will say that i think putin is at least targeting the entire south, the donetsk region, luhansk in her one of the borders, and i do not exclude kharkiv, so i think that this is a program. for putin, this is a fact, and they will prepare their economy and their allies for it. in addition to their defense-industrial complex, we see that they are fueled by their allies , who, unfortunately, are sometimes more decisive in the supply of weapons and their nomenclature, this is iran, the same, this, north korea, and other countries, who secretly supply, if not arms. the very important components for it, with

the help of which the russians make, including and rockets, and what is there, let's say so, is reported by some special bodies that... their production of rockets has even exceeded the pre-war level, this is a fact, and we have to reckon with it. i'm not saying right now that we're going to lose there or something, right now it all depends, right now we're at the moment, i think we have parity with the interception in most directions of the initiative behind the enemy, but it's not the initiative where they broke through the front and are advancing wide columns, the question is that they somehow prevail in artillery. projectiles are taking more active action somewhere, so i i believe that if europe now gives us the amount of ammunition and increases the barrels, the united states will still stop playing politics and will give us ammunition, help, let's say, in the amount that

we need, then we can really equalize, take from them initiative or at least create parity. mr. colonel, the german newspaper divelelt... came out with an article and the germans predict that the war in ukraine may end this year, the german publication gives several key theses regarding the possible options for the development of events: first, combat operations will probably freeze, secondly, without a pause, later neither the russian federation nor ukraine will have an advantage on the battlefield. third, the armed forces have no prospects of returning the lost lands in the 24th year, on the contrary, we should expect new russian offensives and losses of ukrainian territory. russian or fifth, the russian federation is trying to break through the first line of defense of the armed forces in 18 places, but the second and third lines are much weaker, so the risk of the enemy advancing deep into the country is great. sixth, the west did not underestimate the military potential of the russian

federation, there are enough resources there, to fight for a few more years, and seventh, a critical phase awaits ukraine until september, if the west does not promptly transfer more weapons. to what extent, mr. colonel, is this presentation fair and the main conclusions drawn from those data and those facts that the germans cite? look, well, i think they've taken all possible options, to say that some option is unrealistic, and i can't say, all options can happen, but certain events have to happen, yes, if our partners don't give us weapons, maybe whatever, because yes, the enemy can to break through the first line, if we don't have... any weapons, the question is on which front it will break through, we can show an example of a robot, we also broke through the first line of defense, for example, at a width of 9 km and a depth of 9, what did it give us , nothing

. troops from there, because well... further action is required, need serious reserves until a decision is made, and here the question, when we talk about the breakthrough of russia, how it will manifest itself, on a front of 100 km, 20 km or 9 km, this is already a question , and each point, of course, it has the right to be , but the conditions must be created for this, this is a question, if they give us all the weapons that are promised, we are financed as promised, and europe understands further what needs to be done, and not said, this is one story, there are many negative options. can be excluded, if of course everyone turns away from us, block our borders, and a calm neighboring state looks at this, we have a failed mobilization there and other problems, then of course we can expect negative consequences, but now the task of the state, the task of everyone, is

to do everything so that we do not have these negative consequences , everything is going well for us, last year we won back to, i think, in our favor, because... we shot down the high potential of the enemy, now the main thing is not to let the enemy continue to dominate in the air, for this we need to strengthen air defense, well, and intercept the initiative on artillery, all other actions will come out, will we be able to do it, seize the initiative without seizing the initiative, it is difficult to predict any active actions in general. a few days ago, colonel, a russian missile flew for 39 seconds into polish territory. states in the pentagon have already stated that the united states of america is ready to fulfill its obligations to protect nato, including those related to russian missile attacks that may threaten poland. at the same time, deputy minister of foreign affairs of poland andrzej shayna, said in an interview with radio rmf fm that

nato is considering the option of shooting down russian missiles when they fly towards the territory of the north atlantic alliance. let's listen to what mr. sheina said. so, nato is analyzing various concepts, in particular, that such missiles should be shot down when they are already very close to the nato border, but this should happen with the consent of the ukrainian side and with consideration. international consequences, then nato missiles would hit russian missiles outside the territory of the treaty. mr. colonel, how likely is it that the air defense, which stands in poland and which is part of the north atlantic alliance will work in favor of ukraine, including protecting part of the western region of the ukrainian state? this is taking into account the fact that the poles block and do not give. the possibility even for our defense complex to sometimes deliver goods that are very valuable to us is very

disappointing to us, let's say neighbors, who during the war started so well, started so well, and now we see what we are talking about, that rockets are already flying at their territory, yes, they say, well, it's not on ours, this is for ukraine, so we can wait, of course, this is a bad story and a story that does not add... let's say respect from our side to these statements and statements, and this, as the saying goes, is feeding the crocodile in the hope that he will be the last one, and so be afraid to compromise russia, when they are already launching their missiles, then we remember that the shohids flew into the territory of romania, if i am not mistaken, now the missiles, there was a break in several missiles, have already really arrived, but the solution not accepted, i will say that this... would be very good now the reason for our partners, for the poles

, is not that, well, first of all, to put along the border, there are patriots, because they have them, unlike us , much more, and as i said before, what could this be a reason to put on their divisions on the territory of ukraine under the pretext that they protect both the ukrainian sky from attacks on civilian infrastructure and their european sky. nato heaven, it's their right and they have the right to do it, i say just their divisions, let them have an algorithm there, how they use them, but this can be done, so of course they are not making these decisions now, but i think the time has come to talk about it. mr. colonel, yesterday the russian security forces talked a lot about the heads of our special services and about malyuk and about budanov, about the fact that they are involved there according to their statement. of the so-called terrorist activity, a criminal case was opened against malyuk

, and there was already some kind of arrest. to kill him, as you predict, that is the anti-ukrainian hysteria that has been going on for the last few days surrounding the terrorist attack in crocus in... do you think it will have its consequences for the development of events on the territory of the ukrainian state, or the idol who took responsibility for it , will continue to confirm its involvement in another way on the territory of the russian state, and in such a way that the russian security forces simply will not have time to respond to all this, focusing on ukrainian issues, well, for the kid and for budanov, this is another one. recognition, i think, that what did malyuk do to putin, his birthday present, to putin, uh, i think, if

we take for putin, this terrorist act in the crocus, which he is trying to turn, including on our special services, and the bridge, which is just, let's say yes, it is considered to be his brainchild, which he tried there as a monument to himself, i think that he would have been ready to cry for the baby for that, and let's say to announce his desire for him, so right away these officers and generals have already proven everything, and i think, just like budanov and malyuk, it is normal during the war legitimate targets for the russian federation, as well as patrushev and other representatives of the special services are our legitimate targets, and i think our special services are also working in this direction, and they, i, the kid, can meet somewhere on the street more often than... i think, and the same budanov, than i think, somewhere in russia in a bunker there are representatives of their

special services, so this is what concerns our heads of special services, what concerns the terrorist attack directly in krokos, i think that the russians, regardless of who did this terrorist attack , there's an idol, it's the fsb, when putin declares someone a terrorist, he should remember how he and patrush blew up houses in order to unleash the chechen nastu campaign. but the second one, if i am not mistaken, it was that they simply buried their own under the rubble of their own citizens, and they will definitely use it, whoever did it, they will use it... you are against ukraine, they have already done it, they are now shouting to the whole world that it was a terrorist attack, demanding sympathy for themselves, on the same day, russian missile carriers hit civilian homes in ukraine, that is why putin himself is a terrorist and he will be responsible for these terrorist acts that he commits, it is our job to protect our state and do more

than, let's say, burning bridges, sinking the fleet and burning. oil refineries and anything and everything that works for the war in russia against us. another putin ally, the self-proclaimed president of belarus, alexander lukashenko, during his stay at the border area where the combat readiness of the troops is being checked, ordered not to deal with border violators and to destroy them. let's listen to what lukashenko said. they understood that it was impossible to enter belarus, because it was the first time. in the first minutes , the head of the kgb reported to me that he is engaged in anti-terrorist measures. that's it, we have prepared our units for the combat situation. that's why they couldn't enter belarus, they saw it, so they turned away and went to the

ukrainian-russian section of the border. we gave a little wrong timing, but he said that i will say publicly, any provocation must be stopped by armed means, there is nothing to do with them to joke, they violated the state border to the point of destruction, no one should hold a ceremony with anyone, we will do it anyway, because if we live snot, then they know what will happen, therefore any violation of the state border to destruction, they understand only force , to whom, to whom is lukashenko addressing in general, that is, he believes that the republic... belarus is in danger? i think he seems to me that he's talking to himself, he 's convincing himself that, well, if he's talking to the baltic countries that are members nato, i think, belarus is not the kind of army that can threaten there, and the russian army is now completely tied up in battles with us, and any, i don't know, individual soldier, they are in order to single him out somewhere in between

belarusians, it is necessary, i think, to loosen something somewhere, and everyone understands that, that's why i am. it seems that he is talking to himself, and trying to show there that he has a fairly serious army, first of all we know that belarus is a country that has transferred more, firstly, given its territories to the use of a foreign army, this already speaks of loss of sovereignty, if he did not bask in it, but rather full sovereignty, he sold his sovereignty, exchanged his sovereignty for russia. which federation is now influencing them, and many tanks, artillery, training grounds were transferred to the russian federation, so now the pressure is on destruction, well, everyone understands what modern war is, i think that no one takes belarus seriously without russia. mr. colonel, how do you assess the possibility that belarus and russia may return to

breaking through this suval corridor between belarus and kaliningrad. and to go through this corridor anyway, because this fragment of the video that we saw, it was just at the border between belarus and lithuania, and lukashenko dressed up, you see, he had some shoots there, some kind of camouflage, look, we do not exclude now, yes, the world has moved in a different direction, we see that russia has shown that it is possible to solve the issue... by military means, and the world has not yet fully recovered, and we see with the help that is coming to us and the delays the russians see , which is full of such there is no clear answer to this, you can drag, you can stretch what you gave on the air, what is possible, they have enough resources, so look, they have to understand one thing, if ukraine loses, if they will not

help us, then it is completely what you say is real, because russia understands, they also have anals. after all, will nato enter the war, for example, for some small baltic countries, we already went through this during the second world war, you remember, then there was also, let's say there, the league of nations and other issues that something was guaranteed to someone there, but they closed their eyes to poland, they closed their eyes to czechoslovakia at that time, and also to lithuania, latvia, estonia, although for poland at that time we remember what guarantees were very serious, and as a result , what this led to , now europe. has the opportunity to step on the same rake, and only the fact that ukraine contacted itself means, er, began to resist and got caught and did not give an opportunity. russia is now being given the opportunity to advance and carry out the operations it wanted leaders, in a different situation, i am sure, they would have already been in hostilities, or they would have told

each other why it is necessary to resolve all this peacefully and to agree not to occupy some of the baltic countries, this is a fact, we understand it, someone just doesn't want to admit it. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, this was roman kostenko, a colonel of the security service of ukraine. deputy of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, and during this broadcast we we are conducting a survey, we ask you about whether it is necessary to strengthen responsibility for corruption during the war. it's pretty simple on youtube, yes, no, if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think there should be increased accountability for wartime corruption. 0800 211 381, no, 0800-211. 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we are in touch with ivan stupak, a military man expert, former employee of the security service

of ukraine. mr. ivan, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations studios, thank you for the invitation. so, mr. ivan, russia accuses ukraine of being involved in terrorism and committing a terrorist attack in the moscow suburbs in krok city hall. what can it have? consequences for ukraine, russia's efforts to transfer from a healthy head or from a sick head to a healthy one and stand before the world in the role of a victim, and ukraine to say that it is the aggressor. ukraine, they want to make ukraine a country a terrorist, a terrorist, here anyone likes the ending, that's all that ukraine, she bombs. civilian cities of the russian federation are shelling the civilian population, terrorizing, and the main goal is to deprive ukraine of western aid, that is , in general, political, diplomatic,

economic, financial, and most importantly , the latter, so that ammunition does not go to ukraine, and then everything will be much better for russia , they are ready to put not 130 people for this purpose, but 1,300, 1,300 russians, i want them to do it, well, they can... put 4,000 people, how do they like it done from the beginning, not on the front lines , on the front lines it goes without saying, well, of course, russia is the number one terrorist country and putin is the number one terrorist in the world, and this has already been recorded, officially recorded, since he is the only president in the world , who has an arrest warrant from the international criminal court and is actually only waiting for his arrest, but at the same time this version, which was built by... together with bortnikov and various patrushevs there , that ukraine has relations, that there was some kind of window, opportunities for these terrorists

for them to come to ukraine, of course, this is a complete delusion and, by the way, this was confirmed by the belarusian dictator oleksandr lukashenko, who completely refuted this version of the russians, that they wanted to cross the russian-ukrainian border, so that they came russian-belarusian, let's listen to what he said lukashenko. and... they understood that it is not possible to enter belarus, because in the first minutes, as russia transferred the regions to an enhanced security regime, so did we. in the first few minutes , the head of the kgb reported to me that he is engaged in anti-terrorist measures, we are all there prepared their units for the combat situation. therefore, they could not enter belarus. they saw it, so they turned away and left. mr. ivan, it is absolutely obvious that for the united states

of america, for great britain, for other countries that have very good intelligence, including good special services, this is what putin and his team say, what the separatists say, in in principle, it looks like delusion, and for whom it can be an argument, right? for countries that take a frank pro-russian position, anti-western position, i am not saying anymore about ukraine, there to ukraine, they can be different, here the main confrontation is along the line, the countries of the west and all the rest of the countries that do not support the western countries, well, for them, for example, venezuela, iran, north korea, well, i am very surprised , why eh, kimchynina's sister has not made a statement yet, and she is a russian propagandist. the machine has not yet cited that it condemns the criminal act of terrorism by ukraine, western special services, despite the fact that the united states has more than, well, almost

three weeks' notice. that there is such a danger but i didn’t make fun of something, they were offended , they said, in this way you are trying to disrupt our elections, you are trying to manipulate, well , in general, you are carrying the mayan flag there, well , okay, a little more than two weeks have passed there, and immediately the accusations of another person you didn't warn us well, you should have warned us better , and now look at what an interesting story, if the united states had not made public... this information, then after this terrorist attack, the russian federation is just it, i don't know what it was doing, it was falling apart b into parts and screamed that the west didn't warn them, and any evidence from the united states that we sent you, the russians say, no, you didn't send anything, you're behind this terrorist attack, and so on and so forth. well, by the way, the spokesman for the state department of the united states of america, matthew

miller, denies the statement. the head of the federal security service of the russian federation, oleksandr bortnikov, that apparently ukraine, the united states of america, and great britain were involved in this terrorist attack. let's hear what he says. we have made it clear that there is no evidence that that ukraine was involved in this, because ukraine was not involved in this. i would say that these comments are from russian officials, including the president. putin is just propaganda to justify their further aggression against ukraine. it is absolutely obvious that in this story, the continuation, the possible continuation of terrorist attacks by isis, which may well be, to the extent that it is, it can be a powerful factor in order to destabilize the situation inside the russian federation, because the fsb and all the special services

of the russian federation are focused on ukraine, and obviously what happened didn't happen for a reason, and whether the fsb was involved in it or not is hard to say, but deal says that we did it, as far as they can resort to any repeated actions like this to , in order to prove that in the field of terrorists, world terrorists, they are just as... important and perform their role just as well as russia, by the way, a wonderful question, look, literally two words, here i answered your previous thesis, when the russians say, well, that's ukraine, that's the united states, great britain, well, it's clear that they they do, but it is very interesting and enlightening on the last day, as kirmaniche from the fsb, or rather , patrushev, the secretary of the security council stated that it is ukraine, the director of the fsb says that it is ukraine, we are currently working on the evidence base, we

are looking, we have... working , that is, it means in plain language, if you explain, when they say, we are working on it, the evidence base, we fix it there, it means that they are in an accident in emergency mode, in emergency mode, they are trying to create artificial evidence, conditionally, electronic correspondence , some ukrainian sim cards have been thrown in, which were not there before have seen, plus those people who are currently locked up, well, these shooters, we saw how they came to the court, just in a vegetable state, just like oh... in the eyes, i think that they are currently being worked with using various chemicals , psychotropic substances, and maybe we will be able there, for example, i don't know, there in a week, two, one and a half, i don't know how long to see some confessions that in fact they were not controlled by idols, but there, i don't know, british special services, people with a british accent, with an american accent, with a ukrainian accent, polish, it doesn't matter, i.e. there is currently such a period of formation of the evidence base to accuse

ukraine, but... time in this case plays exclusively against the russians. now, answering your question about the possibility of a terrorist attack, my personal assessment is that it is 90 percent likely that in a fairly short period of time, we can see something, well, something, some manifestation and action in the russian federation. yes, they are now in the russian federation, very carefully protecting shopping centers that. concerts, they set the frame of the metal seeker, there will be dogs the police stand, or the police with dogs , or the dog with the police, special forces will be everywhere, but usually the special services are preparing for terrorist attacks that have already taken place, a new terrorist attack, it can be in a completely different location, in a completely different place, it is not important, there is no i know, subway, airport, replacement plane, whatever.