by russian, pro-russian forces in any part, by the way of the european union, well , let's see, you know, he is already trying to show himself as trump's man, and let's talk about the arrival of trump, well, you know, this is so desirable and valid, let's see, but hungary is certainly very seriously preparing for its presidency, and ukraine must also prepare for this presidency, it will not be easy. and in principle, what is the impact on the european? integration of ukraine has such, i would say, accentuation on the topic of bosnia and herzegovina, but this was also the case with the latter summit of the european union, and now orbán is visiting both sarajevo and the capital of the republika srpska, banja luka, as such cities are important for the further advancement of the european union, although we understand that in bosnia and herzegovina it will be very difficult with european integration. well, look, in december at the summit viktor orban wanted to provoke and provoked austria to do so. that she, together with

him, blocked the opening of negotiations with ukraine precisely through bosnia and herzegovina, that is why it is such a subtle hybrid game, where viktor orban is in such a, you know, hybrid sensei takes into account not only his own interests, he looks at how russia reacts to this, rome, berlin, paris reacts to this, well, the united states is not involved in this game, to be honest, but yes, you know, we'll see how it will be... with this ukrainian one, within the framework of negotiations, yes, well, it would be interesting to vote for the framework of negotiations with ukraine during the presidency of hungary. i am not saying that it is impossible, but let's see, that is, viktor orbán would hardly want it, he would, he is ready to vote for the negotiation framework, so that it will not be during his presidency, let's say so, let it be until july 1, but this time, may, er, june, it will be very important. period, to be honest, i am somewhat

worried about the european bureaucracy as such, you know, it is high-quality, but very slow, and now we need quick, high-quality solutions. thank you, thank you, dmytro, dmytro tuzhansky was in touch with us, analyst, director of the central european strategy institute, we talked about hungary and slovakia, these are, i would say, important countries in europe right now precisely from the point of view of how their authorities feel about the russian-ukrainian war, one can say differently. like the rest of europe, and this must also be realized when we comment on the events in these countries and their politics, and now american aid, let's talk about it with investor, enterprise and philanthropist konstantin zhivago, congratulations mr. kostiantyn, vitaliy, congratulations, so president volodymyr yesterday in chernihiv, zelensky said that if a loan is offered to ukraine, then ukraine will agree to this loan, and this loan is a way out of such a real situation. with

at the dead end of the issue of the allocation of aid to ukraine by the united states, says the speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, what do you think will happen with this loan, and what does the loan mean in this situation? well, actually, vitaly, thank you for this question, it is important, because we have already communicated many times and found out why the money that was promised to us in the second half of the 23rd. year in the fourth quarter is no more today, when the first quarter of the 24th year is still over, and what would i like to say in this situation that the speaker johnson, he is elected there in his district, which is a lot of districts in the united states, and he is 100% not the president of the united states, who is elected like biden, who has the authority to lead the country there in some of his, that is, duties. and in general some kind of artificial situation in

the congress, when the minority, the democratic minority, but which still accounts for more than a third of the congress of the united states, cannot put this question of aid to ukraine, taiwan and israel on the agenda for a vote. to me, this is definitely nonsense, because how i am worked for many years in the ukrainian parliament, and the ukrainian regulations of the ukrainian parliament, he actually. is very similar and very similar to the regulations of other parliaments of other countries, and if the speaker does not want to put something to a vote there, well , there is a third of the parliament that collected signatures and after that put any question to a vote, because it is not a question for the speaker, and the speaker cannot block the question, or any agenda that he chooses, excuse me there, a third of the members of parliament, who chose at least a third countries, that is, for me it is, you know , artificial. er explanation, why today there is still

no money for aid to ukraine, to israel, to taiwan, because, why do i say artificial, artificial, because tomorrow we are something else. they will come up with, they will say that it will not be a loan, but it will be lendles, lelenis , we still need to vote there, and something else and somehow so, and that is, in my understanding, this is an artificial explanation that the united states of america does not want to provide assistance to ukraine, and one must look for the reasons for this, because i see other reasons that the united states does not voted it neither in october of the previous year, nor in december of the previous year, nor even today. in march or april of the 24th year, and my explanation for this is that, excuse me, ukraine must fulfill, as has been said many times by all the people who spoke on all ukrainian

tv channels, all foreign tv channels that speak today, it is simply necessary for ukraine to fulfill what the united states wants ukraine to fulfill, which will be a loan. will it be a loan lease, will it be non -refundable guarantee assistance, this is the second time, the third question, even how much it will cost, i have said many times and i repeat now, certainly if it is a loan, it will worsen our financial indicators regarding the long-term existence of the financial system, the economic system of ukraine, but it will be later, it will be when today the interest at which we took these loans would be 5.5%, and if it was. guarantee aid, it would be generally interest-free, but what difference does it make for ukraine, how much will this aid cost if it is needed to survive today, because it will not be needed tomorrow, it will not be needed either in the form of a loan, or not in the form of a grant, or not coal lend-lease, if aid does not come to ukraine

on time, the more important today is the deadline, the more important today is actually the discussion when we will receive the money and why don't we get them? well, many people will ask about this loan, that this loan is something that will have to be paid back, the truth in any case, of course, but i want to tell vitaly that if today we take it in the form of a loan, then the international currency stock will look at the so-called long-term macroeconomic stability of ukraine and say that due to the fact that it was grant aid, it was not taken into account in any credit resources, as some kind of ratio, some ratio of loans to the gross domestic product, that is, if today our accounts payable will increase, then it must be so that we are stable in the long term, we will have to, today there is a discussion on the restructuring of commercial eurobonds, that is, they say that in order for

commercial eurobonds and the ukrainian situation the economy was more stable in the short term, it is necessary to carry out the so-called herkat, i.e. restructuring for the nation of bonds, when somewhere up to 40% will be forgiven, or there will be a write-off of 40-45% of the nominal value of these public debts, commercial public debts, there 40-45% . if tomorrow it will be guaranteed assistance, it will remain as 40-45%. if it becomes a loan tomorrow, then it will be necessary to write off not 40-45%, but 70% or 75%, well , this is pure mathematics, and for a pure mathematician, mathematics should be simple. to see what, how either the united states, or other creditors of ukraine, or the grant sponsors of ukraine there, who add and provide money to ukraine. if it is a loan, then the macroeconomic and financial situation in ukraine will be

less stable, and this is not pointed out by the ukrainian government, and it is not pointed out by ukrainian experts, it is pointed out by the experts of the international monetary fund who come to us. missions, because with our economy, with our gross domestic product, we have the opportunity to support a certain number of loans, and if this number credits is greater than some proportion to the ratio to our domestic product, this makes the situation unstable and means that we have to write off some commercial debts, first of all, which exist in ukraine today, or could it be that this is just a delay of time and in fact none? there will be no credit and no help, but there will simply be some document that will not find a majority in the house of representatives, what to do in such a situation? vitaly, this is exactly what is happening, what we were talking about is happening, we are about it we talked in december of 23, we

talked about it in february of 24, we are now talking in april, this is just an artificial situation of prolonging any reasons why we should not be given help. to ukraine, and these were grants, after that it will be loans, tomorrow they will say that loans are not suitable for us, they will be tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, but we need to look for reasons in ukraine, we don't need to look for them. in the united states, as i have said many times, and i repeat now, the ukrainian authorities must accept that they must fulfill all the demands of our western partners, in order to get help, and when the ukrainian authorities say that you will not get anywhere, and you will still give us help, because we are sure that we will break all of you, and we will still force you all to give us help, this is not the case now, the ukrainian authorities have been in power since august . last year they asked: please change the incompetent government officials in

the government of ukraine, incompetent, they are the majority there, there are very few competent people, but there are more than 90% incompetent. our authorities told the americans: you all went to garden, after that the americans said that please change all the incompetent and corrupt heads of departments, deputy heads of the office in the office of the president. office to the president and everyone else. today we can see that something is starting to change there, but on the calendar today it is april 24th, and you have to, you know how they always say that you need a spoon before dinner, so please sing the reasons that ukraine today, there is no help from the west, and we need it directly from the united states of america search in ukraine. and all the decisions regarding the aid of the united states, they are not in

the united states, they are in ukraine, it is the desire or unwillingness of the ukrainian authorities to shed more or less ukrainian blood on the ukrainian fronts, due to the fact that they want to defend their own, either corrupt or non-corrupt, or competent or incompetent reality that exists in ukraine today. thank you, mr. konstantin. konstantin zhavaga, investor, entrepreneur and philanthropist, we talked with him about how the situation with the american help, you know that now it can be said that this is one of the most important issues of ukrainian politics, and by the way, one of the most fundamental issues of american politics, which is closely followed by the american media, all the time referring to those discussions that take place in the white house, which take place in the congress, before the meeting of the president with the speaker of the house of representatives. kyiv until the meeting of the speaker of the house of representatives with the representatives of the senate, well, the struggle continues and we will just hope that

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the espresso tv channel. vitaly teportnyk is with you. we. we will now talk to you with the people's deputy of ukraine, the head of the committee on humanitarian and of information policy by nikita poturaev. i hope he is already in touch. no, i said, mr. vitaly, that he is not there, did you hear? so, we will wait for him, and of course we have to discuss the situation related to what is happening in cultural policy. country, how to generalize it, how to restore trust in this cultural policy, this is also a very important thing, i am not talking about the fact that there is another important component in this situation, it is trust in information policy, so that one way or another information policy is also this is a significant part of our, if you will,

ability to oppose the russian federation in this. russia, we know this very well, has long made information and cultural policy an important component of its influence on the post-soviet space, the so-called ukraine, on western countries, russia spends billions of dollars on all this, and when it comes to information its politics in its own country and in different countries of the world. and when it comes to its cultural policy, which is connected not so much with the promotion of its own cultural heritage, but i would say with marginalization of others, this has also always been a significant part of russian politics, and we see the situation quite often when,

say, russian channels or even russian news programs stop. to exist on the airwaves of this or that country, first of all, of course, this applies to the former soviet republics, and the results are completely different, completely different than, say, in previous sociological surveys, this is such a very interesting moment, i think, because it turns out that so that people... they pay a lot of attention to what they hear on the air, that they have confidence in this air, it remains, and this is also, i would say, a post-soviet paradox, there remains great confidence in what they hear from moscow, because the information space of the former soviet union has always been

built in such a way that exactly what you hear from moscow is correct and of high quality. do you have any supporting information here or there, is it possible to seriously pay attention to it? and here we saw how the mood of ukrainians began to change when they ceased to exist in our country russian television channels on the air, when in fact russia got rid of this monopoly on information for a large part of the population of ukraine, and by the way... that is why they almost immediately began to build alternative information empires, viktor medvedchuk received such an assignment, who always used and.. . enjoys special respect, special trust of vladimir putin, other pro-russian politicians received such a mandate, and we saw how the place on,

say, the first channel or television channel russia is occupied by those who are considered nominally by ukrainian politicians or owners. media actually broadcast russian narratives, and again, we understand with you all the immorality of the post-soviet society, that today you are the owner of a pro-russian channel, and tomorrow you are a great patriot, today you are a journalist on this pro-russian channel, and in good russian you tell news, and tomorrow everything happens completely differently, tomorrow you are sitting in a conditional marathon, i congratulate you, mr. mykyta, i congratulate you, mykyta potoraev,

people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the committee on issues of humanitarian information policy, i am just thinking about this humanitarian and information policy, and even on this broadcast we heard the words, as far as i would say, the tasks of information security of the country and public trust in information, the model of a television marathon, which do this? well, if that 's a question, then i can start, obviously , to answer, uh, well, look, we have a problem, it's not just a marathon problem, it's a fatigue problem, not so much war fatigue, although it's certainly an important one factor, our problem is that... society is disoriented in the flow of information, because if we look, for example, at the numbers of the marathon of the same,

we will see strange things there, we, as i recall, according to the study we will see a trust-distrust ratio of 40 to 60 in the sense of 40 trust 60 distrust, at the same time, it means if we look at the rating of trust in the public language. which is part of the marathon, it is 80%. at the same time, people, as we know, 80% of ukrainians use telegram channels, and like you and vitaly, we perfectly understand that not all of these people use non-anonymous channels and channels with verified, and therefore verified , reliable information, that is, it is obvious that the numbers must be... compared with each other, and in general the picture is very bleak and dangerous. this is what i think we should talk about, not only

about the marathon. i think the time has come without introducing military censorship, we have been doing without it since february 24, i am sure that we can do without it , but it is worth, it seems to me, worth developing some kind of mechanism. communication and coordination of authorized representatives, well , at least the leading media, well, it is desirable that it be maximum inclusion, it is desirable that as many people as possible are involved in this process, that means mass media, from the media, sorry, i myself, as the author of the law on media, use the old, in the old incorrect term, media, exactly media. and by the way, we recently mentioned this with mykola knyazhytsky, and discussed it with our colleagues on the committee, we had a very

interesting experience, we were on a business trip together, we were then members of the national council of issues of television radioovlenny, it was a month after the terrorist attack on the twin towers, that is, it was october 2001, and we met there with the heads of many american... television companies, well actually radio stations too, but let's talk now about television companies, so there was interesting, there was an interesting system developed at that time, ah, so the state, well, in fact, had nothing to do with it in the sense that it was not the initiator, although it participated in those processes, understanding how much the nation shocked by this attack on the united states, which has not happened since... perlgar, that is, in the 41st year, as far as necessary, balanced and responsible approach to information policy, it was decided. at the media level,

again, to determine from each media an authorized representative from the management, and thus there was such a circle of people who regularly communicated with each other, in the beginning, as far as we remember with mykola knyazhytskyi, almost every day, as we were told at the time, then they began to meet a little less often, and they met each other, they met with representatives of the authorities. there , the pentagon, the white house, the state department, and so on and so forth, in order to conduct a coordinated, again, not censored, but coordinated information policy, er, in such a way that the nation overcomes this shock, so that the nation can somehow determine how it will live in the future, the american nation, i mean, determined its orientations and priorities and moved, well, to ... what at that time,

well, they considered a victory over international terrorism, i think that this is just one of the possible directions, i do not claim that a unique, but very interesting experience, and maybe we should think about something similar here in ukraine, because it is obvious, it is obvious that, well , first of all, if the state takes on the role of moderation, then they will definitely be blamed and the society will not understand and will be accused of trying to somehow censor the information space, i believe that this should be the initiative of the media themselves, i believe that our media are absolutely mature and conscious so that they themselves would, perhaps, somehow come to an agreement among themselves , the state was already involved as much as it will be for them it is necessary, perhaps under such conditions , a marathon that really

, well... gains views, loses, in particular, due to the fact that people simply get tired, people get tired of the same product, it is normal, you and i as television producers with we know this with great experience, it is impossible, this is only the vremya program, which you and i, vitaliy , remember, could live, how long she celebrated there, that means at the end of the perestroika for 30 years or so, i have to say, maybe they are her they restored it there, even lampshaded it, as they say, and... well, well, well it is clear that she did not live because she was so popular, she lived because this was the will of the central committee of the cpsu, and also because there was no other, simply, thank god, we have another country, thank god other conditions, so a solution is needed, but i wanted to ask about this problem of unverified news, because the problem is not in telegram as in messenger, as you understand, in the fact that there is a huge amount

of unverified news, anonymous... theirs, by the way , distributes a large number of pro-russian channels that pretend to be ukrainian, here we have a lot of talk about channels that are considered to be connected with the president's office, but that is already such a matter, but there are a large number of channels that are allegedly ukrainian, and even ukrainian-language, but they are definitely connected with administration of another president, and when a person finds himself in this sea, here is an anonymous channel that connects with the office of the president of ukraine, and here is an anal channel that connects with the office of the president of russia, with the administration. and they are almost the same and give the same news at some point and then somehow diverge, and people, of course, can get lost and become victims of any level of informational provocations? you are absolutely right, you are absolutely right, and we, i think that all ukrainians already understand that the time when we laughed at the fact that boroshna does not have to endure hellish flour is already in the past,

it is clear that they... . in my opinion , artificial intelligence is widely used, which, well, not only gpt chat, but also other artificial intelligences, well, i just looked myself, let's say, i write a text there in english, yes, and then well just for the sake of checking , so to speak, so i’m asking the same gpt chat to which i’m subscribed, by the way, to translate it into ukrainian, well, it’s obvious that he’s already gained enough...experience, i’ve processed enough texts, i don’t see any mistakes, i i see there, well, certain, you know, such - stylistic, sometimes grammatical inaccuracies, that is, you can understand that it is not his native language, because the native language chat gpt is english, but he is learning, he is learning, and it is open, and it is open gpt chat, that is, everyone can subscribe, and it is clear that...