yes, vadym vasylchuk is in touch with us, a deputy of the kyiv city council. mr. vadim, i congratulate you. yes, good afternoon. yes, the verkhovna rada is considering the second reading of the draft law on mobilization, plus there are also certain draft laws that in one way or another concern it and resolve certain separate issues. well, let's in general, i will ask you this, what do you expect, or yes, what does society expect, huh? the front expects this draft law to effectively influence the course of events, to strengthen the army, perhaps to strengthen the economy, and finally somehow to transfer the military rails and gave us what we currently lack so much in this war, resources and opportunities, please, well, in my opinion, that both the front and society expects certainty, that is , clear rules of the game and an understanding of all parameters are very important here. there it is about demobilization,

and about rotation, and about the mobilization itself, and when we will have clear rules of the game, understanding, and i think that the society, you know, will come to accept and understand the importance and need that exists now especially, well, important both at the front and inside the country, therefore here it is very important that the legislator will accept, because so far everything is at a stage. edits, there are a huge number of, as i understand it, different opinions, you have to look at the final document, what is accepted in the first reading is also a matter of responsibility, we understand that it is also a responsibility, the first reading will be changes, so it is difficult to comment on the document, which is not actually a document yet, it is only a proposal, ah, you know, as a matter of fact, today's parliament is more of a kindling of these expectations a. it is important whether

will see the final document, well, yes, you know, you can complain as much as you want about our partners who cannot consider aid to ukraine, although this, well, these were certain agreements, yes, but we see that for the evening, we are now let's watch the video, it's a stream posted online, well, it was made online by people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy goncharenko from european solidarity, 79 members of the people were present in the session hall. 79, well, that's how i would be, if i got up now and went home, or that's it another case like this would have somehow survived, ukraine survived this moment, and if the military from the time of its greatness went to rest now, well , that is, either from under the robot or from the wells, well, that does not happen, and you have to do something for these people, like this to name, well, that is, you had enough time to discuss all this, which you cannot share, you are somehow afraid of political programs... in the ratings is that you will make

a decision, for which you will be told in the district that oh, we don't have it i like it, that is , this political dependence, rating dependence of individual deputies should be suppressed, or v why the reason well, i don't think it 's about the ratings, it's about the technical process, because everyone understood that a large number of edits were being read, if i understand correctly that... it was enough to read more than 4 thousand of those edits there , and accordingly, this is a purely technical procedure, since the adoption will actually be tomorrow, or in fact then they will move on to those amendments that will be made by the committee, so i understand that the parliamentarians were not all present in the hall, this does not mean that they are gone gone like you they said, you can go out into the corridor, there was somewhere else, i don't know, i will not sign for deputies who were not in the session hall. there is

a second part, which is also important to understand here, we do, you know, and the president appealed to the parliament to necessarily adopt and in general there are high expectations about society, but at the moment there is a law on mobilization, for some reason we forget about it, and he, if in order to carry out mobilization and act, well , nothing prevents the executive body, that is , some certain norms that have not been regulated, was possible as a solution. the nsdc or, accordingly , the president should initiate and do it, because it is actually very important here that there is already action, but it also cannot have such distortions, well, as we often, unfortunately, become witnesses from the media that something does not taken there, or when in some way it goes against the procedure, that is why i call on the parliamentarians and i myself believe that the rules, powers and...

there must be an understanding, and then the society will understand what and how is happening and actions are the norm, and not only in society, but also in executors, because often they are also hostages of the rules adopted by the law. will open the issue of demobilization, and he was excluded, it should , well, according to the letter of colonel general oleksandr syrskyi, commander-in-chief of the armed forces, to the minister of defense rustem umerov, he was excluded, i understand that there are nuances, so it is a matter of the higher command, but, but the military, who have been at the front for a long time, any of them now, intend to leave and are already ready, but they are waiting, let's say, for some certainty now. such by the way, there are enough people who are ready to go to the front right now, but they want certain certainty, how do you comment on this, will it be possible to have some kind of understanding after the conversation with colonel-general sirsky, the minister of defense, and by the way, the colonel-general has tomorrow to visit the verkhovna rada, if i am not mistaken, to speak for the people's deputies,

well, i probably won't, because the biggest and best situation, i always have the commander-in-chief, the general staff and, accordingly, of course , the minister of defense, they are... in close communication, the question is because i would did not say that all demobilization has been canceled, the first demobilization under the vok remains, no one has removed it anywhere, the demobilization of conscripts has also been signed, and it is already being implemented, and accordingly, we are talking only about demobilization for servicemen who have been in this for a long time, in fact, well, during the hostilities, that’s what i understand, since it’s still happening now... on the issue of attracting the number of people so that we have full-fledged combat brigades along the entire front line, that’s why, apparently, the military decided this issue postpone, and therefore i can only comment on this situation in this case. well, what do you think, here is this idea about the restrictions

that apply, well, there to work with cons with the consular services for driving cars, if i'm not mistaken, with regard to those people who are not on the register at all, no. they are not there, but they are conscripts, i don't remember the number of these people, that's how many people there are between the ages of 18 and 60 who are not on any records at all, what do you think, these restrictions, they will lead to at least for people to come, see them, write them down and understand that in principle they exist, it is not necessary that they will go to the front, but suddenly what, well, in principle these people are here, and they and in principle, they are relatively healthy there, i understand, look, well , first of all, the best... the answer is our tsnaps, because in our tsnaps there are actually queues for the last months, this indicates that people are very clearly aware that as as soon as these rules appear, they will have to act according to these rules, and therefore they they are trying to exercise their right now, until the law is adopted, so i

actually say this, i confirm that as soon as these rights are adopted, accordingly, i think that they will be observed and appropriate contributions will be made, because they will have to anyway, well, life... and will be forced to face life situations where they will need appropriate references. the second situation is that here it is also important not to forget that there is not only knup, but that there should still be gingerbread, as it is called in obka, and in particular the system recruiting, which is always, well, now very actively talked about, but i really don't like it, will it, for example, in the law on mobilization, clearly spell out, for example, the possibility of military units directly actually mobilizing servicemen, in order to then give them the opportunity to pass. general military training and to return back to the unit, so as not to have this story later, when on the way from the tcc to the zvp, general military training and back, the unit with the attitude, these people got lost somewhere, they were transferred to other part, because then trust in

recruiting will be lost, and it is very important that this mechanism be spelled out in this law, and that everyone understands that if you are motivated, you are ready, you have found a unit in which you will serve, so that you have clear understanding rules both for those who are looking and for those who will have a desire to join the armed forces of ukraine, so that they can accordingly have a clear understanding that they will not be lost somewhere on the way when they go to general military training, here it is very it is important that this law about have these regulations about recruits, well, knowing certain stories here and there, indeed, when they find a specialist in a certain matter that a certain unit needs, they train him, negotiate with him, and he will definitely perform certain tasks that will... destroy the enemy, but along the way, he gets lost and becomes not at all what he should have become, well, i think that these points should be considered, because in any case there should be an effective army, an effective fight against the enemy on the front line in the conditions of that the enemy is bigger, he has more resources, but i i think that this bill will help and that it will finally become a law. thank you

very much for joining, vadym vasylchuk, deputy of the kyiv city council, was in touch with us, we talked about the law on mobilization, the deputies, as i understand it, continue to work, and i will join. well, serhiy zgurets joins our conversation, the director of the defense express agency, and the host of the military summaries of the day column. serhiy, congratulations, i would like to speak to you. i congratulate you, vasyl, i congratulate our viewers, today in our column we will talk about the fact that the united states they finally agreed to the modernization of the hawk air defense system used by our armed forces, and the second topic of conversation is, of course, the spirit and letter of these mobilization bills, which are being considered by the verkhovna rada, about that in a moment. today, the enemy once again attacked odesa. odesa, in particular with the use of various types of weapons, was attacked at night, then closer to

dawn the enemy already used ballistic weapons, hit a transport and logistics facility, such attacks on odesa and other cities, of course, require the strengthening of our air defense. president zelenskyy spoke about the fact that ukraine does not have enough air defense systems to cover all our cities, including kharkiv and odesa . dnipro, in particular, when we talk about the patriot, and now we have only three patriot batteries, and in order to close ukraine completely, according to volodymyr zelenskyi, we need 25 divisions, which, by the way, is not yet available in any country from europe, however an initiative has already been announced to find such patriot air defense systems for ukraine, in this initiative both germany and britain joined, i hope that... it will be effective, but, by the way, the united states has the most patriot batteries, the united states is not yet

in a hurry to take such a step with the transfer of other patriots to the armed forces of ukraine, but there are and the positive, albeit belated, news that the united states state department on april 9 decided to approve the sale of support systems for the hawk missile system and related logistics elements to ukraine. development and support of this program. estimated cost of this agreement, as announced by state electricity and energy, 138 million dollars. and let me remind you that we received these first hawk complexes in the 22nd year, then four were from spain, then there were transfers from other countries. in october 23, there was the first and so far the only video showing the use of these hawks by the air defense system of ukraine. then it was just right. also near odessa, where it was precisely the khoks who shot down the shaheds, then

it was said that the complex is quite effective, although in fact it is such an archaic complex, if we see its structure, but it has quite decent technical characteristics, because it can destroy missiles at a distance of enemy targets at a distance of 50 km, a height of 20 km, has a fairly powerful warhead, as much as 74 kg, but what are the advantages of this... those that there are a significant number of missiles for these hawks, more than 40,000, and you ca n’t actually save them then, but this complex can also be modernized, that’s right, and repaired, that ’s right, the decision of the state department finally gives its consent to the system repair and modernization of all the air defense systems of the khovk, which we received from our partners , this document provides to us the transfer of documentation, repair equipment, equipment for... complexes and the missiles themselves, and this decision also gives such

a green light to cooperation between our enterprises and american enterprises, on this project it is actually possible to create another such franken, that is, those projects in anti-aircraft complexes defenses, which are created in combination with american and ukrainian capabilities, as was the case in particular with the buk complex, when the american rim-7 missiles were attached to them and the reports of the military intelligence agency cooperation of the us department of defense, which refers to this decision of the state department, claims that support for the hook missile system will increase ukraine's ability to protect its people and critical national infrastructure. in general, this is good news, especially since it does not require the approval of the congress, because in fact these funds of 138 million will be taken from the amount of dpo. which, after all , is already provided for in the budget of the pentagon, there is provided 300 million dollars for this year, precisely

these 138 million will go to the solution of all projects related to hawk. good news but it was still late, because it is quite surprising that for such a long time we expected such a decision related to all measures related to the strengthening of our anti-aircraft defense, we will talk about another one later. which is just as important when it comes to strengthening our defense system, air defense means, ammunition, artillery, but at the heart of it is a person, our soldier is the heart of... our defense system and now the parliament has started discussing a package of laws or laws about mobilization, there are many nuances related to this bill, and we will talk about the spirit and letter of these bills with our next guest, we are joined by pavlo kishkar, major of the armed forces, chief of staff, deputy

battalion commander of the armed forces of ukraine, people's deputy of the eighth convocation, mr. paul, i congratulate you, glad to see and hear. greetings, mr. serhiy, greetings ukraine, good evening everyone, quiet and peaceful, peaceful evening to you too, but still we understand that now we are entering such an important moment when finally begins to discuss these laws on mobilization, with which we have repeatedly discussed with you, what they should be, now in your opinion, is the format of decisions that are laid in the basis, the ideology itself and that is laid in the basis. of these bills is enough to talk about the fact that these are the laws of a democratic society, and how to combine, relatively speaking, the spirit and the letter of a democratic society and the means of coercion, which one way or another should be in such a bill, what are your assessments, what are your perception of what we now have in the parliament hall? first, thank you for

the question, it is really difficult to combine with... and the construction of a democratic society, ukrainian society cannot accept coercion, that is precisely why the current law on mobilization is not accepted, i have read all the draft laws as much as i could, but there is no reform there i didn't see, the entire reform that is currently under consideration actually boils down to two points, point number one is the reduction of the conscription age to 25 years. 27 point number two is an extension of the powers of the tsc in in different forms, i don’t know what will be voted on, but in different forms, even a question, a blatant question of reservation, and that was not organized, well, decide, i don’t know, you write those positions, and so everyone can make reservations with us, we have fst dynamo at the regional level can be a critical enterprise, and

there are actually many more such paradoxical situations. gymnastics centers or something else, that is, it is wrong, i am critical and revolutionary, eh, i do not think that it is possible to achieve any progress in an evolutionary way during the war with russia or success, it would be important for me to see an electronic summons and an electronic register of conscripts, to give up, for example, armor altogether, in general to give the state authorities a certain... time to reorient those people who are not subject to mobilization, all others to mobilize, if it is, the first thing, who, who wants, the most important thing is that the ideology of not a volunteer army, but of a great soviet army is embedded in all these draft laws, in my opinion, there are instruments of negative and

positive, if the stimulation of people for that they go to the army, study. i don't know, the positive ones are probably some good things, i don't know, promissory notes, land, salary, getting a new profession, whatever, and the negative ones are the restrictions that a person gets if he refuses to go to military service, choosing one or another unit, and the most important thing from this whole legislative boom is that we as a commander. the middle ranks were forgotten, we are responsible for everything, we are responsible for material values, for people, for the performance of combat tasks, but we are not involved in the mobilization process included, my personal project to recruit engineers into the unit ended in failure, they ended up in a separate mechanized brigade,

after undergoing initial military training at the training center, i could not ... i was not able to take the engineers with me, people who are worth a million dollars there, each, will perform other tasks than those drawn by god and the profession, unfortunately, yes, therefore without radical changes, without the introduction of any real instruments for inviting people to the army, without involving us as middle-ranking commanders in this process, without providing we have the powers, we have all the powers, except to attract people to us, it is not clear how it happened, you may ask us what we need in order for us to appear, i have more than 100 vacancies, what should i do, i them i can’t, i’m now with... i can’t guarantee any person that he, as an engineer with high experience, or an it specialist, or a drone operator, or an operator of automated systems, will get into the unit

according to the profession that they had in civilian life life, no guarantees, moreover , i can with more confidence to ensure that they do not get into my unit, how do i then prepare, where do i get engineers, take drivers from aurora and train them to become engineers, start? from the law of the oma, i don't know, of course i am responsible for technical mobilization, not for human mobilization, but without people we will not be able to fight, and without including us commanders, on whom everything lies, all responsibility lies here, and the process, personnel centers, personnel management, super personnel management, super, super personnel management, everyone who wants is involved, even educational centers have the right to distribute people, we have no influence on anything. well, well, i don’t know, it may end someday, so we are changing the legislation in a revolutionary way, rewriting it under the volunteer army, encouraging people to

join the army, if not, restricting them in certain rights, this is the vision, mr. pavle, but we understand, that tomorrow's parliament begins to consider amendments to this bill, and the general framework of this... bill has already been formed and it looks like this, let's say, with on the one hand, conditionally radical, and on the other hand , it does not give the spirit that we were counting on, precisely the interaction with military units, interaction with society and the creation of such a new basis for the creation of a new defense system, so far this is not happening, as well as means that the consequences will be so difficult, because the people will start there again, so to speak, to try to avoid instead of... to look for service options, for example, in your unit, there was a conversation with several of our guys, let's go serve there damn, i say, i don't know, i don't guarantee that pavlo will guarantee you that you will

perform things related to technological measures at his place, there is no guarantee, mr. sergey, moreover, consideration of such bills without the participation of business, without participation of the economy, without people who form our added value, our products in... within the state, it is impossible, well, we do not understand how it is possible to take away from the economy and say that the economy, let's keep working, so the state can start from itself , i repeated this thesis several times, we have several dozen state bodies, including central executive bodies, which can be quietly disbanded during the war, a special law is needed for two weeks in order to reform and close these units. central bodies of executive power, adopt this law, maybe we should start with this, maybe we should mobilize all men 25-60 who are in

the authorities and local self-government bodies, so it will take a certain period of time, there is a year and a half, okay, give these a year and a half and change on people who are not subject to mobilization, let them perform these functions, or do you think that if we prepare militarily in three months for him to go and die, then it is possible. we cannot prepare a person for a state authority or a local self-government body in three months, and all these people, i am sure, will have a higher education, for some reason there is a gap in society, only questions to the army - we can do everything, only questions to the authorities , i say that i apologize to the ministry of internal affairs, but it should also set a date for itself and say, that in two years or in one and a half all the people who work now in the system of the ministry will be there. of internal affairs must go and do military service, including in combat units, and it cannot be that some are fighting and others are sitting, they adopted

the right law, in my opinion, the right law on attracting people who are serving sentences for light crimes crimes, super, reread, forgot people who still, who do not yet have a court decision on their criminal cases, it seems like a nuance, but this nuance concerns 10 thousand of our... men, most of them are located so abroad, but they are ready to return, offer them something that you will scare them away from, what is the benefit of the state, that they are there without returning to ukraine, having knowledge, skills, abilities and most importantly - the desire to conduct hostilities with racist invaders, and there are many such nuances, the government must start with itself, start with itself - this is to announce that men who are subject to mobilization will not work in the bodies of state power, we will not invite them there from may 1 either to the bodies of state power or to local governments,

during such and such a time, we will send all men... who have obligations in terms of age and health, send them to military service in combat units, this will be an offer, but what did you say to the military that you lowered the conscription age up to 25 years old, well, some kind of reform, they made an electronic military card, no, they didn’t, clarification, well , some kind of half-hearted decision, but you make a normal reform, for you... will ensure a real register and a real electronic summons, which you can’t access there will be no legal objections, make it normal an offer for people who left, including illegally, make normal restrictions, prescribe for people who do not want to go to serve, one more extremely important issue, tomorrow, i hope, syrsky will speak in the parliament, he will have a number of questions, one of the issues will definitely concern

demobilization. these are those soldiers who have been on the front lines for a long time. this point was excluded from the draft law, it was hardly worth doing, because it is possible, so to speak, to write down these requirements in the same way, well, it is necessary in the draft law, when we still find time for more on one new draft law, so that these issues that evade the military to decide, what do you think about this? sergey, my dear people, well, we don't have another army, here's who 's who, oleksandr syrsky looks at everything, well mega. soberly and sees all these circumstances, we do not have a second army to replace those who are at the front, we have time to train those whom even we will involve through mobilization, eh, well, it is long enough, training, well, that is, to release a qualified person, and then not get back the qualified, well, from from the same bottom, my capabilities as a unit are reduced, and such questions are not simply not

from the good side. life, he comes out and is forced to say this not from a good reason, so listen to him tomorrow, pay attention to the fact that we are asking for radical changes to the law of ukraine on mobilization, and without really drastic changes in this process, nothing will happen, well, nothing, well, we are trying to change it with some strokes. what will it change, and liquidate the tsk, leave the medical commission as the body there with only the control of the military, who have already passed the front and have, for example, some lesions or missing limbs, well, that is, there are such possibilities, these people are definitely not motivated in any way, well, they do not have corruption-related risks, stimulate them with a normal salary, let

them... conduct this medical commission and let the commanders form our teams, we are ready to carry out combat tasks with those people whom we know, whom we will train, whom we are sure that they are not when the nada is not extinguished, but yes, what is the reform, reduce the age and everything, introduced this electronic a summons, no, they didn't introduce something like that, well, well, no it is possible to solve it halfway, and i say once again, sirsky's decision, it is... unpopular, but it is mega-important for us to be able to maintain combat capability. mr. pavle, thank you very much for your direct, clear, as always, explanations. let me remind you that it was pavlo kishkar, a major of the armed forces, chief of staff, deputy battalion commander, who speaks about what should be given, first of all, including to the military to form their units, this is an equally important component of strengthening combat capability, well, let's see under consideration of the draft law in the parliament, extremely important

a bill for... the survival of our country to make decisions that are directly related to the combat capability of the armed forces and the combat capability of the actual transition and society itself to stricter rails regarding the implementation of the defense of our country. these were the main military results of this day, and more international and economic news later on vasyl zima's broadcast, also stay tuned to the espresso channel. thank you to serhiy zhorsy, thank you to his guest, these were the military results of the day, then we have the second hour of the great teru, a lot of interesting and important information awaits you, firstly, we will have an inclusion today, we will have an inclusion from moldova, there is a conversation, how was the conversation, and today our correspondent will tell about the consequences, we will also have a conversation with a political scientist, regarding the evaluation of sociological data.