but were they followed? no. they were often abused. where there are guarantees that these norms will not be abused, depending on whether there will be a need for it or not. no guarantees are given. accordingly, i do not think that this draft law, it will dramatically change the situation after its adoption, although certain positive moments after it in terms of digitalization, optimization of certain processes, of course, will happen, but this draft law is for officials, not... for society, for society there will be almost no answer, well, for society the most important thing in mobilization, it seems to me, is justice, that is, how fair mobilization is possible in general in the conditions of war and in the conditions of a corrupt state, that is , how fair mobilization can be in general, and of course a fair reservation system, because we see that what this reservation is... that it works in some way,

and now only prime minister denys shmyhal, who deyura is the leader of the process regarding the adoption of the law on mobilization, instructed the government to develop a fair reservation system, that is, it was, but now we will make it fair so that in the future there will be no speculation on this topic. let's hear what shmigel said. our military defends ukraine on the front lines. but they require a functioning economy and infrastructure to provide them. one of the key issues in this direction is the fair and rational reservation of conscripts, employees of enterprises that are really critically important. there should be no speculation or manipulation. therefore, i am instructing the relevant ministries to submit an updated, more detailed one in the near future a fair resolution on reservation and to determine an exhaustive list of objects and enterprises of critical infrastructure.

clear and understandable criteria are needed so that neither the military nor the public have any questions as to why certain people are reserved in our state. mr. viktor, can there be a fair mobilization under the current conditions? no, they can't, because justice is generally a relative concept, because somewhere, well... that's why 150 years ago, somewhere in papuan guinea, it was fair to eat one's enemies, and even there everyone, but why did the aborigines settle down, it was fair, to eat the enemy, what someone 's mother thinks now, one mother thinks, it's unfair that my son has been fighting there for more than two years, he should be justly demobilized, and the other the mother thinks, no, let those who know how to fight fight, it is fair

not to let my son go to war, let those who have been fighting for two years and already know how to fight fight, they are trained, it turns out, these could be two mothers of neighbors, that is -e in the same place there or in the same e-e in the same house live, e, and in they have completely different opinions about justice, and justice in the ukrainian version is impossible. a priori, and you also need to know that the basis of the mentality of ukrainians for ukrainians is justice higher than law, if, after all , for western society, law is the main thing, yes there, if the norm is written like this, like this, like this, like this, yes, then we all act there , to some it seems fair, to some unfair, but this is how it is written, the law is strictly the law, yes there, this... has been there since ancient times, yes,

there was, and this is a european rule, our rule, the law, as it came, as you return, so it turned out, this is our mental right, and that is why we believe that justice is higher than law, because the law can be implemented in different ways, therefore justice in there is absolutely no world, yes, because even people... are born unequal there in different families, some are majors, some are from working families, yes, with different endowments there, i would like to be a world champion in football, but god didn't give me fast feet, or a type or a classy voice, that's the world unfair, but in ukraine it is also unfair because it happens that in our country, at least, i think that most people... 99% will agree that

it would be fair for yevhen koshovy, for example, to go to war he is from the 95th quarter, thank god he is not in the circus, yes, these are circus performers. they've already booked him, he's probably not a journalist, because the ministry of culture has booked everyone there from a single marathon, by the way, nothing is said about the espresso tv channel, and they can take espresso from the fifth, from the direct, yes, from the pluses, well, the pluses we know, it's the most honest channel, yes, that's why someone thinks it's fair not to take away the pros, but to take away healthy men from espresso, and it's all fine, it's for someone... it seems, at least in the president's office, i i'm sure that for someone it's a very fair norm, and yes, justice is relative, it won't exist, yes. thank you, mr. victor. against this background, zelensky is trying to convince our western partners that

more aid should be given to ukraine. he says that if russia wins, it will be with sacrifices there will be hundreds, thousands of people, about this he gave an interview to the german tabloid bild, and in principle he says that there are not enough air defense systems in ukraine, putin understands only force - says zelensky, he feels like an animal, if not will be able to defend himself, he will destroy even more his desire to seize the whole of ukraine, well, in principle , its president is doing the right thing, that he communicates with the western audience and with the leaders of the west. education, but is the communication within ukraine sufficient, it is absolutely clear that times are not simple ahead in ukraine and in the next few months, because we only see how the president speaks, this is a western audience, that russia

is gathering 300,000 people to mobilize, that there will be a big offensive, that there is a threat to kharkiv, that putin is an animal and something from this animal should be done. but, mr. oleg, is such internal motivation, maintenance of internal motivation for ukrainians necessary, so that ukrainians understand what awaits us, and is there a need for an adult conversation, not just a conversation that we will be in sevastopol in august and there will be a concert of some ukrainian band, and how to constantly tell children something, and then pass a bill that takes away. men from families in these families say, well, we have already been told that it would be completely different when representatives of the ukrainian government will have this stage of growing up in discussion, in communication with society, if we answer this seriously,

departing, say, from of our political discourse and internal political battles, it is actually a two-way process, and, unfortunately... we see that as a society there is room for to move in the awareness of one's role and subjectivity in the ukrainian state and the government. for example, i had a recent discussion about the role of society in relation to the government, and one of the subscribers heard the thesis that it is necessary to go out, it is necessary to rally, even if there is no specific reason, it may not be completely fair, but for prevention, on that this cut me very seriously, that... society should not see power as an enemy, society should, on the one hand, control power, which means controlling steps and actions power, and on the other hand, to support where it concerns the national interest, to cooperate in some matters, where it is beneficial, to beat hands in other matters, it is impossible

to smear everything with one color for prevention, or simply because of dislike for a particular surname , and it showed very well in between'. public arena, that ukrainian society from the very beginning of the full-scale war treated ukraine's external communications very seriously and in an adult manner, and even when we saw the attacks of the russian authorities or pro-russian forces, so to contrast with the ukrainian government abroad, we saw that ukrainian society said that no, our government can be any, but only we can criticize it and control it, definitely not the russians and definitely not because of the border to another order. and to tell what and how, we would learn this internally, to separate the important from the secondary. the authorities, in turn, need to learn how to communicate specifically with ukrainian society, because the external audience receives quite specific communication, dosed, not much of it,

it is clear that this has its own specifics of communication, on the internal communication is much more, there are daily appeals. there is a whole series of speakers and heralds from the office of the president down to the lowest level of officials, but they do not speak with one voice, and they speak a great deal. and very rarely concretely, there is a lack of systematic, concrete and clear communication from the authorities with society, which would answer the key questions that exist in society, would not inform about the whole world, making fun of the main thing, and the conversation would have just to be about the main thing, as it often happens in the external media, and if we talk about the messages for our partners abroad, then... in fact, we are currently hostage to the internal political crisis in the united states, and this crisis has its own

logic. currently, unfortunately, support for ukraine is a matter perpendicular to both the electoral interest of the democrats and the electoral interest of the republicans. we did turn into a ball for electoral support between both teams, and the issue of supporting ukraine is actually brought forward braces like the one on which they are mined. electoral dividends, and not that which relates to a question of national and state interest of the united states. to put it very simply, the actual national interest and the foreign policy statesmanship of the united states have been eaten up by electoral logic and narrowly selfish party interests on both sides. this can be seen in different statements, in different steps. in the case of trump, this is a situation of blocking any decisions that could be a victory for biden. in the case of biden's team, it's blocking any decisive steps, and a kind of guaranteed

indecision in matters of support for ukraine, and of course, behind all this there are some rationalizations, that is, an attempt to give rational forms to the own indecision and the own position of the united states today, talking about the fact that putin can strike with nuclear weapons, or there may be an escalation and the third world war, or if we take these steps now, the voters will not come to the polling stations, then trump will come and the horror will be terrible or not? than if we don't help now and from republicans the opposite if we do if it continues, the horror will be terrible, it is necessary to replace biden as the head of the white house at any cost and accordingly elect a new president, and everything is now going in favor of this hooligan, only later, when we take power into our own hands, then we will deal with all the problems , and we are now forced to exist in this reality, fortunately we see that more determination is emerging in europe, is being built... the coalition is already being talked about by france and britain about the revival of the entente, and actually we see that such

a eurocentric view, and leadership in of the mid-north atlantic alliance may now have its place to emerge. against this background, of course, there will be other geopolitical stories, in particular, china is moving now, india is developing its own story, and in ukraine it is very important now to follow all these trends and work with... some audience, but very segmented with an understanding of what strategies are pursued different players, defending their own interest, and in order to have a strong position for this and this communication, for these actions, it is necessary to be united within the state, for this a serious conversation with ukrainian society is needed, and such a conversation requires answers, and answers require certain steps and actions. it is very difficult to ensure effective communication when... there is a whole series of problems on which decisions are not made in principle and on which the diametrically

opposite of what society expects is done. ideology, communications, conversations, deeds can never be replaced, words can be used as anesthesia for a certain time, attention can be diverted, but it is impossible to replace, and in this there is a second discrepancy, that words should correspond to actions, and verbs. there is no doubt, mr. olezh, that the verkhovna rada of ukraine should also work, and not, well, give a certain result, and not like the congress of the united states of america, which, from which we are waiting for some decisions and we complain constantly, but the verkhovna rada of the model of 2019, when it worked in the mode of a crazy printer, the parliament and the current parliament, they are different, and that is, for me, for example, a mystery, why now ... a time of war, when there is a lot urgent issues, and not only the law on mobilization, but also other issues that need

to be discussed, need to be adopted and work in a non-stop mode, why the parliament does not work in a non-stop mode, and why we, complaining about our western partners, actually we periodically do not look at ourselves in the mirror and do not see what is happening there, i mean the internal big front. corruption that exists, it has not gone anywhere, and we see that decisions should obviously be made more quickly in the parliament, but in the end we have to... tell the truth, that in we also have a parliamentary crisis, and, well, this is also a step towards a political crisis, which may be in ukraine, because if this continues and laws about, such laws as about mobilization, they will have no leaders in terms of the process, it is also a political crisis when there is a monopoly, but it cannot assume

sole responsibility, or divide the monopoly among others, and... get the same responsibility from others as well, mr. viktor, why exactly in this situation, what is missing, what element is needed for the authorities to be accountable, it is meant, all the powerful state institutions in ukraine, the temporary ones we are currently living in, so that everyone understands that there is a war going on, that the parliament has to work 24 hours a day and make all the decisions that are needed, so that the government also understands that it is necessary to work more efficiently, so that everyone ... the anti-corruption authorities made the most of what they had and put all the corrupt people in prison, because you can't steal such time, you can't be idle and you can't waste time when the enemy is literally on the doorstep, what can i say, we have such a good time a situation where

the main problem... is the lack of dialogue government with society and government with other branches of government, we actually have a problem in the fact that there are no other branches of government, everything has been usurped by the office of the president, and he is now a hostage of his, well, conditional omnipotence, yes, we are so used to saying that yermak controls not only zelenskyi, where he was saddled according to... the same zelenskyi, five or six people who make decisions, yes, these successful managers , according to our president, and everyone is used to yermak seeming to control everything, here we see the frond in parliament, which means that it turns out that he does not control everything, yes, and now the vote for

the bill on mobilization will be for him, well, perhaps the biggest such exam since the appointment. will he be able to continue to control the parliament, and the way we have it, why it does not work and does not work in our country, there is no dialogue with society, because in normal countries, someone specifically makes the decision and takes responsibility, but when the decision is made , everything is already clear there, and the order to execute the report, especially in the conditions of an emergency. in the conditions of a warring country, but the process of preparation of decisions and decision-making must not simply follow procedures, but at least at the first stage of preparation of decisions, many, many different opinions must be heard, some alternatives must be worked out, there is an alternative, well, the very first

alternative will leave everything unchanged, and there is the status quo , and then there is an alternative... and a decision is chosen, again, it is necessary that the unpopular decision is chosen, no, we understand that our president is electorally dependent, but here we have to stand at the throat of our own song and make a decision, no those that, according to the focus group, our basic electorate likes or dislikes, and what is necessary for the country to survive now, again there is no such dialogue, that is, alternative solutions are not considered at all, they are again somewhere in a narrow the circles are working, and this is bad, and this is because there is no dialogue with society, we have a monologue through the only news, through zelenskyi's outposts, where in fact ukraine is, and

ukraine is a country that fights for european values. does not meet these values, why? because in fact, there is no dialogue with society, there is a monologue, there are standoffs, that’s how zelensky is used to being on the stage, you are in the hall, and your right is only to applaud, only to applaud and shout bravo, that’s it, you should have no other functions , and it's very bad, it's very bad, and there is only a prompter, a prompter is a fair, conditionally, yes, there is like the author of the script, there are those who... wrote and everything, and you and i are in the role of spectators, that's not how it works in europe, and that's our problem, the biggest problem, the biggest problem, because that's what it's about . that oleg said that the law, if there will be accepted, he will be accepted by the emasculated, yes, to please the electoral groups, and,

not only that, we are still talking with you now, and will he be accepted, well, i think that he will be accepted, but he has already been removed there themselves, such controversial sketches, and about mobilization, about demobilization, even earlier he accepted that he had reduced them. there the conscription age is up to 25 years old, that's what we have, and it's all because we don't have independent branches of government, we 're used to everything being under the office of the president, and it turns out that there could be a riot in the parliament, and that's the situation , which and spawned, that is, this front was spawned precisely by the breakdown of the system that occurred when zelensky came to power and when he realized that... he can control everything, it turns out that after all, yes, in war it is better, probably authoritarian style of leadership, but

directly in the troops, there can be no democracy there, let's vote there, who is sahakyan, rudenko or boberenko going to jump from tank to tank, here as the commander ordered, said there, viktor, run and break away, yes, there is an execution order. report, then this is only in the army, and when preparing decisions in a democratic country, it is necessary to have a discussion, which does not exist, and not only that, it is dismissed with contempt, and this is so that we know that you are sitting in kyiv, i am in the region , then they ape everything from the central authorities, that is , the same thing happens at the level of the regional military administration, who are you there, let's say goodbye, there are like... there are two opinions, mine and the wrong one, this is how they operate in the regions servants, and this too, it is already theirs, it is they who have built such a system, me

i hope that this is a temporary system, but it is a system that leads us to failure, yes. thank you, mr. viktor, mr. oleg, but how can we avoid this system, well, it is clear that there will be elections one day, and we will not have a monopoly and... obviously there will be no longer a monopoly, and, but we, we will be with this monopoly to live until the end of the war and it is not clear how many, and these are the steps that mr. viktor talks about, what and solutions, when there is only one solution, and it is the right one, all other proposals are just proposals, they , and they are wrong, how, how long can the state function in such a regime and what is the safeguard so that... there is no abuse of this, i think so, i think so, and no one else is interested in this, i am not interested in everything else, well, the entrance is really there,

where there is a way out, since democracy involves procedures on the one hand, and on the other hand, democracy is always built on building consensus, so in the conditions of an electorally functioning democracy, it takes over the decision-making blanket from the position of the majority. well, that is, by the right of the winner. this is unacceptable for a classical stable democracy, but for democracies that are just being established, where there are problems with the rule of law, where the culture is also specific legal, legal culture is meant to be specific, then in them this phenomenon is like decision-making from the position of a simple majority: alas, we are the winners by right, we will to do what we want, it is inherent. and in the conditions when there are functioning electoral cycles, society can clench its teeth, first there is a-ah sugar-cat period, after which the level of sympathy begins to fall, then as a result the authorities fight to

to keep the crumbs of that trust, and accordingly, on the last trajectory of its tenure, the society itself waits with clenched teeth for the election to come, and accordingly the election is the decision that now this right of the majority is ending. in the conditions of war, when there is no clear horizon of the election period, society. even earlier , injustice erupts from within, due to the fact that they do not understand, and when this will end, and the decisions that are made from the position of the majority, in this case, cease to be acceptable to society. on this, instead of this has the principle of decision-making on the basis of consensus, efforts to build consensus. it is clear that it will never be possible to find a common denominator in 9 out of 10 people, in 90+. but in most cases, there are two. thirds can always be found and some constructions of the proposal can be constructed that will not cause at least objections. there will be soft support, hard, passive support, any, but it will be. and

for the authorities, it is now necessary to build both institutional and legal mechanisms in order to move into the mode of building consensus, trying to form decisions as consensus. this requires dialogue and inclusiveness. accordingly, the decision, speaking already in the language of political science, consists in consultative and deliberative, so-called practices, that is, consultation with society and the inclusion of society and broad sections of society in... formation and decision-making is mandatory, despite the fact that the authorities in the conditions of war have the opportunity to implement these decisions according to a simplified procedure, we have to finish, thank you gentlemen for participating in the program, oleg sayakyan, viktor boberenko, were guests of our today programs, during the entire broadcast we conducted a survey, friends, we asked you about this, do you support mass mobilization in ukraine, the results of the television survey 67%, yes

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