we were shot, how many were killed in afghanistan, the americans came, looked, it didn't work, well, we left, we have our own affairs, we have our family's houses, we still have homework, but mr. mykola said an interesting thing that our ukrainian politicians really need to learn from situations one by one, mrs. mariano, i have a question for you, but we understand that if it were not for this hitch with help, and it has not yet been resolved by the united states, we would not have... .so determined europe, so possible, they are all and thought that europe would wake up, and then they gave help, but from the point of view of history, we now understand that europe, well, at least in words, is becoming very militant, which it has not been for decades, from the point of view of history, i would like to point out first of all on the history of the work of israeli diplomacy, which we saw at the beginning of the war in ukraine in the 14th. year in the 22nd

year, but even to look deeper, what preceded the actual protection of the european and world community of heaven over israel, this is the extremely effective work of israeli diplomats in the 70s, 80s, when israel positioned itself as a very powerful player on the market, and literally demanded support, demanded recognition as a strong geopolitical state, and here i believe that ukrainian diplomacy should now simply take an example from... israel's diplomacy and position itself as a strong state and not ask for help , and demand it, and are always considered strong, therefore only a strong position of ukrainian diplomacy at the same level as the strength of the ukrainian army will give a positive result. we will continue this important topic, but there is an equally important one - this is our mobilization, with we are now in touch with roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence

cyborg, colonel of the security service of ukraine. mr. roman, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine. of course, ukrainians are concerned about the changes to the mobilization law that were adopted last week. the president signed this document, and the most important thing is, what changes will really happen after may 18, what ukrainians should pay attention to, tell me how the person who worked on this document also said. good afternoon, studio, all dear guests, well , a lot has already been said about this draft law, it was like that, people's deputies worked on it for quite a long time, practically even the committee, and most of the people's deputies were involved in this draft law, many accuse the parliament of that it was long, maybe it was long, but we have to understand one thing, well, this may be my opinion, but i know that many... share, this is one of the most important

uh laws of this convocation in general, i don't i venture to say that in general for all 30 years of our parliamentarism, an independent state, but it was a very important law and in this convocation it is for sure, this is what i always said, it is a law, not just a law, it is a law about life, about death, about people, about destinies, so , when it was submitted to the parliament from the very beginning, my colleagues and i... from the majority and from the opposition, we understood that it was incomplete, that many of the norms that were there were unconstitutional and needed to be corrected, and we as a people deputies had to do everything to maintain this, let's say , this balance between what we have to do so that our army is replenished and people go to defend their country and that we should not violate the basic document, the basic law. of our country, this is the constitution, that's why it

was quite important, that's why so many amendments were submitted, and we worked on it, well, practically day and night, and therefore, if we talk about the bill itself, well, what's important, here probably not as much as it is a law about mobilization, as far as it can be called a bill on accounting, we have the biggest problem, which was - that the tsk, military mothers, previously called they don't know... where the citizens are, people who are of draft age or not of draft age, they just know that there are men, no one understands at all about their credentials, so, for example, a number of norms were adopted that allow within 60 days there in various ways, or the military commanders of the tsc, or through the snap center for the provision of administrative services, or, after all, through the electronic office, which is a right, not an obligation, as the government wanted, to simply clarify your data so that

we, as a country we understood what we are capable of the struggle for independence against the russian federation, so the main thing for me is the norms here, in relation to... accounting, well , it is clear that everyone was waiting, the absence of demobilization in the draft law, which was adopted practically at the last moment , let's say it was voted on first at the committee, because the military leadership turned to the ministry of defense, then the ministry of defense to the government, such a path was followed, and then to the parliament, it was voted on at the committee, there someone... voted, someone did not vote, and then in the parliament, and we we received the bill on registration without demobilization, mr. roman, clarification from our audience, data update in the tsc, does this mean that the person will be immediately

mobilized? no, this does not exactly mean that the person will be mobilized, it means that updated data of the person will appear in tsk, whether he served or not, how many... years, where he is, where he is , there, telephone, mail, everything is provided in its own way, in the event that this particular person, according to the data that he provided, for example, according to the so-called military, according to a military accounting specialty, for example, a tanker driver, a driver, or, i don’t know, a grenade launcher, when necessary, this person will already receive a summons to, well, to be called up, and also in this bill the right is given to representatives tsc to check military registration documents, that is, if i walk around the city tomorrow, i may be stopped by a patrol there, a representative of the central committee there and say: "please give me my military id, i will provide it, it will be written on me that i am so-and-so of numbers, or the prescriptive, updated

their data, and that's all, thank you, goodbye, if not, then they can ask to go through and update this data together with..." thank you, roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, was with us on skype, brought a little clarity to what changes are expected after the amendments to the mobilization law, of course, ukrainians must monitor all this, it is our duty, because we live in a country that is waging a war, fighting back against the enemy that attacked us, so mykhailo tsymbalyuk, i was so desperate for words, you still voted for, if i'm not mistaken, yes for this law, even though it's yours. of political power, well , the attitude towards the process surrounding this law was so ambiguous in general, your position, where are the trigger points, where are the problem points? well, i would like to respond briefly to the previous topic, to saturday's vote, well, in fact, one should not

forget that this is one vote, there should be another one, that is, i am sure that they will still vote for both the first and then the next vote, but realistically... funds for ukraine will be allocated only in the near future, in june, and this must be understood, and every day is a loss for ukraine. as for the bills that have been voted, by the way, many changes are being made, not only to the mobilization one, mr. roman, as the secretary of the committee, said in principle that it concerns the issue of military accounting, but there are also things related to the release of service. persons who are persons with disabilities, because, unfortunately, before that there was nonsense that persons with disabilities could not be dismissed from service, whether it is the first, second, or third group, that is, this is also in this draft law , and this is important, it is definitely not perfect, because

there are no perfect bills, it is a pity that there is no demobilization and rotation, but the higher military leadership... promised that in the coming month they will submit such a legislative initiative, which will still need to be voted on, but in order to carry out demobilization or to plan it legislatively, and rotation, then you need to have personnel. i emphasize once again that it is very important for the state to know how many conscripts we have, where they are, what their records are, and of course it is important that those people... people who are conscripted, they clearly knew for what period the state was conscripting them. i think that in the near future we will see such a bill in the verkhovna rada. i read our comments: won't it be mobilized right away? who can believe it? today i talked to many people, no one wants to even think

about updating their data in tsc. i 'm sorry, regarding the update of data, a person does not have to go to the tsc, it can be done through snap. and what mr. kostenko said, which is very important, that it is not an obligation to establish an electronic office of the military obligation, it is optional, but you can update your data through - tsnapy, dmitry, when you hear such comments that people just don't want to update their data, how do you react to it, to be honest with you, there is different attitudes towards people who want to update, who don't want to, many of them don't understand, they fear for their lives , they understand them, that is, well, every person is afraid, but here now the point is not that, you need to understand the most general problem, why people ... why don't people want to go fight now? why no such questions are being considered now,

why everything happened during this period, during these 10 years of war, during two years of a full-scale war, why nothing was done so that people went to fight, well, for example, i will explain to you just the simplest thing, a lot civilian people who go to work there, that's all, well, they mostly don't think about the war there now or anything, but it's like that, they think about it now, because they... see a lot of people who came back from the war, who returned without legs, who returned without arms, and they see simply the attitude towards those soldiers who now live in ukraine, i.e. how come they are not paid extra salaries, who are simply kept in the unit, that’s right, there is this, there is that, that is, and people continue to think to themselves, why would i go there, for that i will fight, if after, if something happens to me, if i die, if i lose my arms, legs there, that is, who will take care of me, if now at this moment during the war, when... now at this moment wartime is coming, there are a lot of veterans, and many simply forget about veterans, i.e

if at the moment ukraine does not care about its veterans, does not care about the military who are currently there, defending us, that is why most people ask themselves this question, that is, there is no point here that we just have to drive everyone there, we have to give motivation, we have to give people a chance to see this very victory or something else, why all this time? there was no constructed plan, a plan of victory, a plan of defense, so that it was gradual, so that a person could see, and he knew that gradually, gradually, those there, well, they don't manage, but there is some support, there is support from the same family, there is support from the same veterans, that is, well, many people died, this is not a dispute, but the point is that completely different work has not been done, a lot can be driven people everywhere, but to do the most basic work so that people go there, when people... she goes there and she doesn't want it, well, that is, 20% of it is useful, that's all, well,

something completely different is needed here, we need build the country itself so that they see the very concession of what the future will be, at the moment, there are a lot of ukrainians with whom i communicate, whether they are military or something else, they don’t see it, well, they just don’t see it, there are many military people who are currently fighting or something else, if possible, if they come back here or they will be released they... will just leave this country, why yes, why the veteran who defended this country, he lost his arms and legs there, he wants to leave this country, mr. mykhailo, we give you my word, but i still wanted to clarify one important point, this is also what they talk about on the streets, in shops, this, please explain about about what they can, if the second car is registered to one person, it can be confiscated, there is a crossover, if i'm not mistaken, that's... your, your line, well and also this question, is it legal, i would like to support the honorable

of the military, he says a very true thing, currently the state has not developed a veteran policy, and this is a problem, only now what we are saying is that we have a ministry of veterans, a ministry of social policy, reintegration, and there is no state program, we are only now beginning to pledge the executive . that they built a structure, went to germany, went to america, we study their experience, because in fact today the best experience is the american one, where veterans can, have reintegration into society, where they work, where they have state support and incentives, because it is definitely being rebuilt in our country, but after this draft law, mr. mykola is a witness, we forced the cabinet of ministers to... beat only one thing so far, we voted on a resolution and the next day it became effective regarding the additional payment of 70,000 people to boys , those

who are on the front line, this is 70,000, but it is still not in the law, and this is the task of the monomajority, so that we consider the law on veteran policy, on the system where a veteran is waited for in a territorial community, where the state does not demonstrate that it only transfers powers, gives money on the territory. community to create centers for rehabilitation, medical, social and other veterans' society, because according to estimates, in a few years we will have approximately 3.5% of 4 million veterans, this is a large number of people who , unfortunately, today are looking for themselves, how is it , war just started, well, in my opinion, the war has been going on for 10 years, why is it only now that everyone starts thinking about veterans, 8 years ago they weren’t there, well, 5 years ago they weren’t there, a year ago they weren’t there, that’s the problem and

the question authorities, why didn't the authorities do it, that the structure did not emerge, let me, you said, we pledge. power, what is the use of such a power, which we have to pledge, which does not want to, well, think for the people and care? well, probably, this is a question for them, for the authorities, for the monomajority, for those, for the government, and we tell them about it, not state, to us, but maybe to us, not to the government, maybe we elected the government, maybe we elected the president, the verkhovna rada, the verkhovna rada formulated, formed the government, well, now these people are to blame, and i wonder who will take responsibility. there is a democracy, people go to the elections and vote, now they have voted like this, and as one ukrainian president, freely elected, said, we have what we have, well, mr. knyazhytskyi, do you want to add something, that is really all, i completely agree with what you are saying now said, imagine these volunteers who went in the first days of the war, they went with hope, they they were already telling us that we would win quickly,

that elections would soon be held, they themselves sincerely believed in it, they were convinced that we would drive out the enemy now and... in two or three, six months, a year, they would return home , and none of this is happening, people do not have a strategy for victory, unfortunately, not only armies lose, nations lose, due to the fact that something shifts in their heads and they lose faith in victory, this is our main question, when i, when we considered this law, i called my son, who serves in donetsk region now, yes, and he says, you know, we don’t get into it here, but it is clear that if there is demobilization, many of the military will support you, at the same time, i perfectly understand that, well... during the war, demobilization it's difficult, well, there was no demobilization during military operations, but the people who went there, if they saw that there was a real replenishment, which is happening in our army now, we are actually replenishing our losses due to mobilization, that is, i don't want to say in numbers, because it is impossible to say, but that's how many we are we lost wounded and dead, a little more, we called for almost the same, and russia

is now in a critical situation, because russia is really building up its forces, it is an authoritarian dictatorial state, and someone... look, kharkiv will be captured tomorrow, i am in it from a military point of view, i do not believe, listening to military experts, russia is speeding it up, but we cannot say that it will not happen, or in time, there will be even greater losses, we may lose the country, and where is the balance here, so that on the one hand we realized that from each it depends on us that ukraine may not exist tomorrow, we are still talking here, guys are dying there and the front may crumble somewhere, and people are needed, and weapons are needed, but weapons , thank god, will be there, but what will happen to the people? and so we pass this law, which is actually, to put it mildly, not perfect, because it was possible to make registers in one day by government decree, it was not necessary for this law to make registers of conscripts, so that everyone was registered, this is the main thing the problem is because we don't know who is where, the government is afraid, i don't want to to take responsibility, the president did not want to take responsibility for introducing this law, thought out, introduced this amendment, by

the way, in the last 6 months, she is a representative of the government, everyone supported her, had hope for it, and here... in on the last day before the vote, this amendment is put for confirmation and this amendment fails, although it was a compromise, because there were 36 months, but according to the decision of the stake, that is, if there was a critical situation, then it could be extended, but at least the people had hope , and but at the last moment this hope is taken away, and people are thinking how long we have to serve, they do not know the strategy of victory in the future, it may be a war for 20 years, we must die here, especially those who are on the front line, and from the fact that to give them this answer... depends on the morale of those who leave, because those who leave, they think how far we have to go, we have to go forever, we are all crossing out our lives, or will we be there for a while? there is no answer to these questions, the answer is that the authorities, if they really demonstrated transparency, non-corruption, justice, justice to veterans, justice to each other

in that there is no corruption, an honest conversation with western governments, another way out, like this and the most important thing, is... forget about politics and elections , but i would generally ban any sociological polls that show which politician or which party is there somewhere, because in our country everyone thinks from the point of view of elections, it is not profitable for me, because maybe tomorrow there will be a truce, or we will still we'll agree on something tomorrow politicians live in the head of elections and in power, and a large part in the opposition, and this is a huge mistake, because politicians should live only by unity and victory, because the threat is not to win or lose elections, to lose the state. in that case, then we should not say that this is the government, and this is the opposition, but to say that we are all the government, and we are all doing everything so that everything is good in our state, the question is that we are all the government, so that when it all began in the same israel. this is a lot of problems for us there, there are demonstrations against netanyahu, he authoritarian reread, we understand everything, but what did he do? he did, at least proposed and formed a government of national unity with some of the parties, and he

showed this unity, he gathered everyone at a round table, both those who joined the coalition and those who did not join the coalition, we still have not had a meeting of the president with the leaders of the parliamentary factions during the entire war, the first day was on the 24th after the full-scale invasion, i mean the last two years of the war of the full-scale invasion ot... there was one such meeting, there is no such thing, but this is a union it is necessary to demonstrate both in society and in the political community, an honest conversation with open cards, a conversation on equal terms with the military who are there, with veterans, and this is not all, there is a petty struggle, there are petty conversations, there is shifting of responsibility, and the country may suffer tomorrow it will not collapse, i believe in it, but now is such a turning point, when either it will come, and we will endure. win, or we risk the country a lot, which means the lives of each of us, the lives of our families, when in this law on mobilization, sorry, they write that all people who have gone abroad must register for the military,

because otherwise they will not receive consular services, you have seen these photos from under diplomatic institutions in europe, huge queues of people, and these people, if they do not receive consular services, they will come back here, but no, they will flee, because they have already fled, instead of thinking how to bring these people back, we do some formal things that scare them away, instead of thinking, maybe we you have to excuse me now when there is a lack of people, because we have a very small draft right now, compared to our needs in the critical mass, very small, maybe we need to talk with, i don’t know, with the so-called oligarchs, although they are no longer oligarchs, but with rich people, and say give each mobilized a one-time aid of 500 €, we will give it to a person once, so that a person knows that his family will be provided for, because we have a crisis, we need to look for non-traditional options and a way out. and to understand the criticality of the situation, which we do not realize, and this is the worst thing nikita poturaev, in fact , we heard a lot of questions for the representative of the servants of the people,

including from mykola knyazhytskyi, mr. nikita, do you think this law will be effective and how to solve these problematic issues that are being talked about in one way or another ukrainians, this is a problem, well, not quite, let's say, demobilization, because the military really admits that no one during the war... "if they are healthy, they do not plan to demobilize, but nevertheless, you know, at least the understanding that such a theoretical possibility will be about people who are abroad, also a rather relevant and interesting question, mr. nikita, thank you for joining us on skype, to our studio, thank you, yes, well, colleagues, i should, i can say that it is difficult for me to discuss with people, well, with whom i have been connected by friendly relations for many years, so i will be very careful not to offend anyone, and

besides, i did not hear everything while i was connected and so on, well, the first thing that concerns demobilization , well, look, it means that what mrs. maryana introduced is mrs. maryana's opinion, so i am not a member of that committee, i know... i only have it from the stories of other committee members that the military, that is , the military leadership, the general staff and so on, they immediately had a certain skepticism, because there is a very simple story, for to demobilize someone, you have to mobilize someone until this problem is solved, which means that writing there for 36 months, 48 ​​months, this, well, look, this... well, i don't want to use such harsh words again, well, this to nurture in people an absolutely absolutely

groundless hope, because again, they are still people people won't read, you know, like in bank contracts, something is printed in small letters, people will see 36, yes, 36, that's all, so i have the right, or there even there 48, who cares? the decision of the stake, the decision of the general staff, the decision of the ministry of defense, who will care at all, there is no need to give people hope that will not come true later, it is much worse, much worse than now to honestly say that actually we all, i say, and i i hope that we will all talk about it until the problem with attracting a new one is solved personnel. troops, it's very difficult to talk about mobilization, about normal human rotations, now the rotations are worse than in the red army, in the 43rd year, i

'm sorry, i don't usually take the 42nd there, yes, in 43 -he already had better rotations in the red army, during the second world war, because units were sent there for a month, replenishment, full rest, where we have such, we have such now, we do not have normal rotations, now at least some have begun , that's why it's a difficult question, as far as... ukrainians are concerned, well, here's another question mykola leonidovych raised a valid point, but on the other hand, let's remember that everyone, this is not, this is not a docker to our media, but what was the narrative, everyone left, children, that means officials left, children of the rich left, so what is this , evaders left, they left for money, which means

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