yes, i have a little time, and i will hold you in my hands, all this time, so that you do not go anywhere, because first of all, the weather is literally two minutes from natalka didenko, and there they promise warming in ukraine, although, not everywhere and not immediately, and of course the 20th verdict with serhiy rudenko, well, now let's go, once again i will announce the information about the gathering, our soldiers from the 65th separate mechanized brigade are calling for... to join the gathering of 100 000 hryvnias for the ammunition needed for the military, the battles are taking place in hellish conditions, the situation is very difficult, is not easy, and you know, when something is collected for such a large-scale, large, many millions, people understand that it must be something that immediately ignites moscow, no, war is a simple matter, and i cannot speak from my experience, but from what i read and hear from my friends who are on the front, it's the simple things that sometimes save lives, the simple things make you more mobile and just more comfortable. to fight, it is more convenient to beat the enemy,

to defend, to move, and that is why we are collecting ammunition for the 65th brigade, we are collecting 100,000 uah, and now i will see how much we have managed to collect for each hour and 45 minutes, well, actually, by the way, not bad, thank you very much, even very well, i won’t say, very well, we had 15 00 a little more, even in my opinion 13, a little more, and now we have uah 26,227, we have to... collect uah 100,000, i think we will speed up and close these needs as soon as possible, because again , this is what is needed now, this is not some global project that will be needed, this is what the soldiers need now, ammunition, equipment, let's collect and close, well in the end, i want to say that i would really like the relevant people, well, it shouldn't be president zelenskyi, it shouldn't be someone there, it should be people who... should be

responsible for this, well, in particular, the ministry of culture and of information policy, or maybe even the president can react, whether the person responsible for communication in the president's office, mykhailo podeliaka, or maybe a minister, or the head of the government, or the head of the verkhovna rada's committee on freedom of speech, and the fact that the state department united states of america, of the united states of america, who helped us today by signing this aid package, and maybe too late, as we would like to think, but it's good that you signed it and it's good that this money will really affect the situation on the front today, and... they say there is , there are restrictions on freedom of speech, there is political censorship, the only marathon performs a political function, well, let's do something about it, well, let's also do something about what our partners say, because we always say, you, you, you, you , and you, well, that is, we are fighting for democracy, political censorship is not democracy, self-censorship with an eye on the big brother who is looking at you, this is not democracy, well, they help those who want to build democracy. that flight is military

censorship, please provide the information , please, but not the restrictions, thank you for being with us, with me, and i was with you, and now natalka didenko will be with you, with the weather for tomorrow, and then the verdict , be with espresso, have a nice evening, synoptic, hello to all, our dear viewers, we are starting our next meteorological meeting, let's see... what will it be like the weather of the next day in all regions of ukraine and their differences, nuances, and we will start our meeting today about early greens, about early vegetables that we are so waiting for, that we love so much, and whether they are always so useful, so i have chosen specially for you a few such interesting facts, recommendations and willingly, of course , i will share with you, early vegetables, greens are not...

recommended for children under 5 years old, people with chronic diseases, the elderly and pregnant women, as well as mothers who are nursing a child, the most dangerous have a salad cabbage, radish, dill, green onion, spinach, in second place, i.e. still less dangerous, are cucumbers, broccoli, zucchini, carrots, celery, the safest with young... early ones are potatoes, legumes, sweet pepper , tomatoes, brussels sprouts, they say that cucumbers and greens should be dark green in color, look closely at the market or in the store, young cabbage should have bright green leaves, and its nitrates accumulate in the largest amount in the petioles and in the leaves and at the base of the fruit, therefore, it is always necessary to cut the place as much as possible attachment to the stem and it is also advisable not to buy large ones. the most dangerous vegetables

are repeated again and again, the spring vegetable is a radish, which we all love very much, and what is the way out of this, not to eat it, of course, but here it is recommended that before using these vegetables and ... it is desirable to eat them directly for several hours, well, maybe not for several hours, but for such a longer time, soak in salted water, and then eat for health. we go further and talk about the behavior of the earth's magnetic field. now for your attention prognostic chart, from which it can be seen that tomorrow there will be some activation, but insignificant, so people who react even to small such fluctuations should, of course, be more careful. to laugh at yourself, at your well-being, and if you have any ailment or something hurts, then of course turn exclusively to professionals, to specialists, well, let's move on to the main topic of our weather meeting, the weather forecast for

april 25. rain is expected in places in the west of ukraine tomorrow, the air temperature is not the lowest, by the way, tomorrow it will be 12 or 15 transcarpathia and in the chernivtsi region up to 15.17° in the north of ukraine, tomorrow there will finally be a respite with precipitation, with rain, dry weather will prevail, maybe there will be some rain in sumy oblast, but still mostly without precipitation from the 15th, from the 17th up to 22°, warming up. in the east , the weather is anti-cyclonic, it will be warm, and the air temperature is quite high, comfortable, and the sun will even peek out tomorrow in the eastern regions of ukraine. except that kharkiv region, but it will already get a little bit like this already in the evening a small portion of rain. in the central part of ukraine, there will be no precipitation tomorrow, in the poltava region there is a chance of a little rain, but in general it will be dry in the center, +18, +23, in some places even up to +25°. in the southern part of ukraine tomorrow

, the weather will be wonderful, spring, almost summer, i would say +18 +25, dry, lots of sun, the warmest will be in crimea. well , the air temperature will finally rise in kyiv tomorrow and it will reach a maximum of +18 +20°. no precipitation is expected in the capital, of course , there are always possible clarifications, so keep a close eye on our weather forecasts on the channel. espresso. good evening, we are from ukraine. greetings, good evening, my name is myroslava barchuk, this is a self-titled program, a joint project of ukrainian pen and the tv channel. today we will talk about reading, why people began to read more during the war, why we are experiencing such a boom

in literary podcasts, conversations, clubs, discussion of books, why new bookstores are opening in cities, we will talk about all this today. with my guests, oddly enough, these are two bohdans, such a beautiful rare name, but they are both, this is bohdana neborak, journalist and cultural manager, bohdana, congratulations, and bohdana romantsova, editor, literary critic, congratulations, congratulations, girls, thank you for coming to talk, reading, i decided to start a conversation with you about your first two or three months of war , did you read at this time, what did you read, or could you? do you have something there on the bedside table, or did you pick up a book? i didn't read at all, for the first few months of the war i had a constant feeling that fiction had betrayed me, and everything i believe in, all these are wonderful the texts that were supposed to hold civilization,

they don't work anymore, and for the first few months i couldn't pick up any artist at all, and i returned to reading, oddly enough through writing, when i realized that i could as a journalist.. . to record stories, tell about them. i gradually came back through nonfiction, through feature reporting, and only then very soon, six months later, i returned to the feature form. as an editor, i also couldn't work with the text for the first few months, it seemed to me that it doesn't make sense. i experienced this personal crisis of big ideas, these metanarratives, on my own experience. i understood that literature does not work, there is no sense in it. she betrayed me. and it was, it was very bitter. awareness, and many of my colleagues, professional readers, critics also talk about it. by the way, i saw what oleksandr mehet said about this, about this betrayal of literature, and i heard exactly this from tetyana malyarchuk, who experienced all this in austria, and she says that i felt that

the culture , in general, literature is great a tree that can bloom and can be beautiful, but under it someone can be raped, yes or killed, that is, this feeling. which many people had, indeed. bagdan, how were you, what, could you read then and what? at first i thought i had lost this skill, but now that i listen to bohdana, when i look back... at my own memories, i realize that i returned to reading rather quickly, because about two weeks after the start of the full-scale invasion, i took a very specific book, it was a volume of stories by mykola khvylovy, and i reread his blue sketches, and realized that what previously seemed to me to be an exceptional metaphor, some flight of figurative thinking, is now unfolding here, in the south of the country, in the east of the country, in the kyiv region, and... and in fact it was some completely new depth of immersion into the text, and the wave

helped me to return, and after that it was quite easy, i began to read very different books, but i returned to the texts that, as it seemed to me, explained to us the nature of the totalitarian system, and i thought about how it is possible to do some reading projects around this , because i wanted more people to think about it as well, i have the only book that... that i could read, for some reason, was serhiy osoka's book, three lines for maria, i don't understand, probably it's because it is connected with some very deep, childlike peace, and that's it, it's such an escapist thing that i could dive into these stories and disconnect from the networks and stay somewhere, rest and go for a walk, and it was already in the first weeks, that is, i was taking it like that and it was like switching off and coming back to... that is but for some reason it was the only book for me, and somehow so and so happened, we

have a study, i am always very interested in the fact that ukrainians began to read more during the war, and we have statistics provided by the ukrainian institute from the comparison of the 20th year and the 23rd year, if in the 20th year 8% read. people, and this is a terribly simple number, 8% of all read, then in the 23rd, 19, and this is a paper book in the ukrainian language, but on the one hand, i look at this 19, and as if it is good, compared to eight, but in them compared to germany, i mean the ukrainian institute is compared with germany, and in germany 46% of the population reads, how do you perceive this jump, is it a jump or not? it is, how do you, how do you perceive, first of all, this figure, well, 20%, that is, it is quite small, but

still there are people who have started to read more, why, what do you think, what is it connected with, why ukrainians did you get a paper ukrainian book? uh, i think a lot of people felt that reading is actually a very affordable luxury in wartime, and you can ground yourself, and when we talk about that grounding and being in moment, it's often quite... like inappropriate things in a war, it's hard to talk about it outside, it's hard to talk about it publicly, but at the same time, it's so important for mental health, and people felt this benefit from the book as a physical object ekt, if it is good prose, you can immerse yourself in someone else's story, spend a little time in it and come out a little calmer, a little more balanced, even if it is very complicated. and it gives you excitement, but that's how narrative works anyway,

it organizes your thinking, and i think a lot of people have started to discover that kind of the simple power of reading, but i think that , first of all, escapism is very important, it is an opportunity to live some other experience, to be at least a little safe, in this book safety, why these family stories have returned, new sincerity, why they are so popular, for example , evgenia kuznetsova, because... it gives us a sense of such a community inside, well , it has returned to a large extent, and now the fashion for reading is growing, when opinion leaders began to talk about what they read, when they began to appear in different formats some reader projects, that's for sure affects wide circles of readers, finally many people simply discovered ukrainian culture for themselves, in my school years, it was rather a process of weaning away from ukrainian literature, this ideological reading, it does no one any good... it is beneficial, while now they are returning and read books in a new way,

it turns out that you can freely talk about the book, interpret the book, see something very personal, very special in it, and there are no wrong thoughts about literature. it seems to me that this freedom that reading gives and the freedom to talk about it, the opportunity to find like-minded people on the basis of the book, on the basis of reading as a process, it has attracted many to reading, but we are only at the beginning. of course, in germany, cultural reading programs have existed since the 70s on a permanent basis, on the main channels, and here everything is just beginning, so i would not expect a quick result. we've got. we have a survey, actually answers to why people read, we have numbers, the ukrainian institute of the future also conducted such a study, so look, 49%, i.e. almost half, say that reading is a way to save yourself, especially in times of war, actually, it is the same, actually, what we are talking about, 42% say that reading teaches you

to make better decisions, even in difficult circumstances, 24, percent say that reading ukrainian literature is a form of resistance, and 21% say that it is support for ukrainian literature. you know, i am impressed, impressed by one story, the ukrainian pen and i often visit different regions, front-line territories, and places where libraries were either destroyed, or robbed by the russians, or something else... some kind of trouble happened, and we bring books there, and imagine that in kherson, in kherson, there is such an island district, in the middle of the dnipro, it is 2 km from the line of confrontation, that is this is a red zone, there are people living on this island, and they, they make themselves a library in the basement, and they said this

phrase, it's an initiative called books in shelter, and they said that for them a book is a shelter. that's just right, it's such an impressive metaphor, you delivered books to my father, he's fighting right there for 2 km, that’s why he was happy to mention these books, and it helps the fighters a lot, it’s fantastic in general, but it’s just that this, that it’s like a metaphor that becomes, what a mess, it’s a reality, an absolutely real fact, and now about about podcasts, about the boom in fact, book clubs, literary podcasts, and not only that. from the discussion of ukrainian literature, in general, you very rightly said that talking about books has become not scary, and these podcasts seem to have brought closer what seemed so unattainable to us, we gathered, thought with our editor kateryna danylovych, we danylovych, we mentioned

what kind of podcasts or clubs are there in ukraine in general, we mentioned, first of all, bohdana took and read the podcast on radio podil, this is a podcast that was earlier, yes, there was oleksandr mehed’s station 451, there is the smell of the word that you see now, stasinevich, yevgeny, the literary critic, and serhii cherkov standaper, there is ukrlit, but what you actually see now is ukrlit - these are comedians, i understand, talking about ukrainian literature, about literature in general, there is a book depository. olena huseynova, currently untitled bohdana borak and anastasia evdokimova, there is a cult podcast by volodya yermolenko and tetyana ogarkova, where they talk about culture and literature, in particular. here it is, you see, this is rosyslav semkiv talking with vira ageyeva about

literature, a podcast of crazy authors, there is a gogol mustache, where stand-up artists vadym kyrylenko and nikita... rybakov are talking about books, there is a high shelf of bohdan, bohdana romantsova, there are aesthetes, there is also a podcast, which is on the ukrainian week, there is a repainted fox, where educator valentina merzhievska and psychologist maria didenko discuss books from such point of view, it's not them, it's bohdana anastasia, but there is such a psychological context of a podcast about literature. what's the reason for that, well it's amazing, actually, it's amazing, if you keep in mind that it's been in the last few years, actually, what's the reason for this flourishing of these conversations about literature, what do you think? i think i listen to almost all of these podcasts, but i am surprised that i listen to almost all of them, i was a guest on half of them, and i think that, first of all, they are quite different, and everyone can

choose something different, you can listen to something, relatively speaking, it is more difficult, you can listen to it like heat. about literature, you can listen to how some specific optics are applied to literature, you can listen to professors, you can listen to people who yesterday deployed tecrollers for the first time and it hurts them, and they are ready to share, and such a variety, i think this is a very healthy kind of story, very a healthy trend, a lot of niches and they are all filled and each niche has its own audience, bigger, smaller, but everywhere the audience is quite active, and it seems to me that all these podcasts are absolutely young people. people, yes rostyslav semkiv is also young, they somehow bring this young audience closer, that is , you don't have some very clear teachers come and start teaching you. understand literature, and they talk to you and you can join the conversation, they will give you an answer in the comments, that is, it is some kind of free conversation, it is something very ancient, it seems to me, yes, and where did it start,

how did it start, i for me, i will tell you what started for me, for me it started with the club of bibliophages, which was organized by oksana zabushko at urban 500, and it was during covid, during the epidemic, we gathered. risking everyone there, who was wearing a mask, who was without a mask and discussed books, for me this is such a book club, that's how it started, where did it start for you, what do you remember as the beginning that started it all, i have a very personal story with this, i remember a project like this that was actually called a podcast, but almost no one remembers it as a podcast, it's cultural encounters. which took place in the dziga art center in lviv every thursday. this was done by yuriy kucheryai, a poet and a philosopher who is now at the front. and every

thursday it was an incredible luxury to come and listen to an interesting person, andriy izdryk recorded it all, and thanks to dziza and kucheryav, we actually have a considerable archive of poets' voices, whom we can only remember today. it's in my head right away, let's say. ihor rymaruk or nazar gonchar. and i saw how this recording was being made right here and now. at the same time, i understood that after the event i had the right to ask questions. let me not have a specialized education or a certain aplomb that should allow me to speak, say at the moment, as moderators in the microphone, but still my opinion is worth being heard. and it was terribly inspiring, as i understand it, today. and later formed some kind of conceptual framework of how i imagined potential new projects about literature, and this was actually in the 2000s still starting, so

in the 2000s, when it wasn't a podcast yet, when we didn't know it yet the words podcast, the americans knew, but we weren’t even a little bit, that’s how i remember, i remember how i had a conversation with taras prokhask, and i asked him what what kind of podcasts do you listen to, he said so, well, in his own... such a very attentive manner, and what is this, what is a podcast, that is, i understand that we learned about it, well, four or five years ago, yes it started to appear here, where did it start for you, bagdan, i too, probably from personal history, we once had a literary and critical website accent, where i wrote quite actively as a critic, and at some point we decided to make a reading club centa plane, it was monthly and initially we were going to cover... centa plane people with specialized education, however , a certain core of readers gradually began to form, some came for a specific book, for example, a detective book, some came for a certain author,

sometimes authors came and presented their book, it was a conversation where we could tell myroslav laiuk in the eyes that we liked in his book, and what we didn't, and then some fans came, or those who had something to say, and gradually such a circle formed when i finished. the official part, we always went to the bar and we were always short, and me i remember how we were sitting right before closing time with yaroslava strykha, roksilana sviato and she was talking about literature, and we couldn't talk, and that's probably where this story began, how you can gather a circle and talk to people who are interesting to you, even if you don't agree somewhere, even if you argue the hell out of it, that doesn't make you enemies, on the contrary, it's a very interesting synergistic exchange, but we still... you and i are talking about such a certain bubble, we seem to belong to this bubbles, where it is natural, so that we, we discuss, says, and us not enough, we want to communicate, discuss

books, but i feel that it has now generally broken out of this bubble, as well as those people for whom or for whom, let's say, we talked last week with vakhtan kybuladze about what clings to what , let's say for bulgakov, and for his speech in kyiv, this is because... people simply did not read, do not know the myth of ukrainian kyiv, so at that time, they did not read the girl with the girl with the bear, they did not read dr. serafikus, no they read the city of the cemetery, the cloudy one on choilovitska, i.e people who grew up on a different cultural soil, yes, on a different cultural soil, russian, soviet, so they suddenly... suddenly became interested in this, this ukrainian literature, yes, uh, and names that were once not spoken to them , that's how the war did it, that

's how ... it works, how it is, i just understand that it's the war that seems to have returned people to the field, it's ukrainian culture, but still, it's very hard, that's why that's me, i always say that you love what you know, and what you don't know, you can't love, but suddenly they, and suddenly they loved it, suddenly they became interested in it, and suddenly it became for them like a part of them. their world, it seems to me that we have also become more open in our bubble, it is very nice to talk with each other, with people who understand you, to whom you do not need to explain anything, for example, to contextualize some names, it is very nice to sit down and talk as usual, but this changing the conversation, changing the type of conversation, the tone, which requires effort and requires work on yourself, it is very important for us to find new audiences, i know that now in

in kyiv, there are more than 30... reading clubs only in libraries, yes, they can be small reading clubs, i just have a friend who is interested in this issue, there can be five of them in a microdistrict, and our authors come there, we, for example , at the temper publishing house, we constantly present books in libraries, before there was no idea that this was important, but now we understand this need, and people come there, very often older women, and they are interested to hear what this guy wrote there about a cyberpunk future, because it is realistically this desire to lock yourself in your things from the elephant house, it is also very tempting, but you cannot give in to this temptation. very interesting. bohdanna, what do you think, how did it, how did it become, well, it

became a trend, because i understand that i did not... underestimate the scope of reading reading clubs, now that i learned the number of reading clubs in libraries of kyiv, and it is certainly not only kyiv, in fact there are even more of them, there is a separate channel, which is taken care of by the bookstore sense, which simply collects information about book clubs in ukraine, and you can see what, for example, is read in clubs in odesa, in lviv, in kharkiv, in a word, in very different places, and... i think that when we talk about this, such self-discovery, so there's such an important decolonial point here, and it's actually nice to find out that you have more than what you've been told all your life, i 'm trying to imagine, you find out that there are, for example, those beautiful novels of the 20s that you mentioned, which show kyiv that you can simply go for a walk around the city

through these novels. and they will tell you about the capital of your country in the ukrainian language through some images of ukrainian european culture. and this is such a pleasant discovery, as it turned out for many. on the other hand, i always try to say that in fact even those people who, let's say, did not read, and not necessarily, they had to come, let's say, to reading from russian culture, they could simply not read, but they have quite there may be a particular sensory experience, a type of exposure that is given to them by, say, travel or a love of cinema, and this will allow them to be good readers, sometimes even immediately, and it also allows you to see new angles of view on texts that it would seem that we have already re-read dozens of times, and we talk about this city of pidmogilny, as if, you know, such a puck is sharpened by some kind walking along the paths, in fact, you can see the first, second, fifth, and for this you need readers.

perspectives, these reader perspectives are terribly interesting to me, because i understand that people with different educations, different backgrounds, simply different preferences than me, and my quite narrow bubble, they can offer completely new perspectives that i will then use, say in my projects, and this will only make these projects stronger, very interesting, here we are, i am now a lot, preparing to talk to you, i i and so much listening podcasts, but i started, i still about... i listened to a lot of things that i had never heard, for example, i listened to gogol's mustache, where stand-up artists talk about books, ukrlit, i listened, yes, where comedians talk about literature, and i i see that this is a new language, a new language has been invented to speak, here...