discussed the master of the ship, why? i am extremely pleased, first of all, that they are talking about the master of the ship, and usually, not only vivat, you recently published the master of the ship, and in all prefaces, and in most conversations about this, about this novel, about this book, they mention that it is about the sea, cinema, odessa, love, and, but, i repeat that this is primarily a novel about moths. there is the first quote from gogol, and in the automatic translation, i think, in the translation of yanovsky himself, about the fact that when going out, on the road, leaving, saying goodbye to youth, do not forget the things that are important to you there, and this novel is written on behalf of a 70-year-old friend of the master of cinema, although yanovsky himself is 25 at the time when he writes it, but he writes as if looking back at his... youth, and

he really looks back at it simply for literally yesterday, in the book it seems like it was 50 years ago, half a century has passed, and it seems to me that this young drive that yanovsky himself experienced at that time affects such a young audience and young readers, and it is interesting that he writes on behalf of yanovsky writes about his 70-year-old self, yes, because he is and is the prototype of the main character tom key, a fellow craftswoman. and he says that i am 70 years old, yanovsky himself died very early, he did not live to live, he was 52, 51, 62 years old, so he died in 54 or something like 54, but in 54, but the day , he died in february, and his birthday is in august, that is, at the age of 51.5 years, roughly speaking, and as vera ageeva says, nothing happens out of nothing. year

, a ship master appears in ukraine, the city of pidmohylnyi appears in ukraine, v in ukraine, a girl with a teddy bear appears to montovych, i heard, i think it's faith too, pavlin's faith, she said that if ukraine produced novels like this every year, we would be there and all the nobel prizes would be taken, what do you think, what? it was born, why such a surge was formed. well, because these are complex forms, we will talk about how complex the novel is, how complex yanovsky’s novel is, so this one, because it is complex in form, yes, but what gave birth to such literature in 28, there were many readers, and you know that, and it reminds us a little today, because recently, as ukrainian literature, more precisely, criticism demanded from... literature

a great novel, it was the same in the 20s, because the liberation struggles are ending, the ukrainian revolution is ending, and literature gives poetry and small prose forms, that one is so wavy, to valshneps, this is the 27th year, he also only has stories, ah, even if there were some separate texts, they were not so skillful, did not attract attention, and this desire a great novel. finally it came true but why so at once at the same time, maybe these young people, here is yanovsky the underling, the underling for two years, a year, only a year older than yanovsky, that is, they, they are one generation, they are quite young, and these are their first novels in both of them , for domontovych, this is the first and for a long time the last, that is, m... petrov

realized himself primarily as a scientist , after all, and he turned to literature in various forms, for example, he has biographical novels, but it should still be said about dumantovych that this a hoax, and he always refused from the authorship of the girl with the bear, that is why it is such a specific and separate phenomenon, and speaking of it, it is not the only novel, for example, boris teneta's novel, harmony and pigs, was published that year, and it is also the first. but somehow they all matured to the novel form at the same time and although they were all young, they managed to produce masterpieces. and so, if we talk about the 28th year and now we are talking about literature, but the novel master of the ship is about how a movie is made, so young people, and it is amazing, by the way, you say 25. 25 years old

years yanovsky comes to odesa and becomes an editor at a film studio, it is now to imagine that some 25-year-old green guy was found in a film studio. and there i just imagine this life on the seashore, this is beautiful odessa, this is a warm sea, this is the smell of the sea, which yanovsky talks about all the time, he admires this sea from every side, and young bohemia, so ukrainian young bohemia, which makes movies, what was the odesa film factory at that time and what is this uncle, tell me what it was, uncle - this is the all-ukrainian photocinema management, that is... which was involved in everything from cinema and photography, we should not forget about that, and as a legacy, the vufka received as a legacy even from sarat, from the tsarist authorities, two film studios, yalta,

mensha and odesa, and the film studio in kyiv was built from scratch, and this was a great achievement of the new film studio. in kyiv, vuvku moves around, vuvku fits in kharkov, moves to kyiv, a film magazine is published in kyiv, it is edited by mykola bazhan, and there is such a moment, in the 20s, it is a great independence, separation from the central government and the central culture, i.e. there there was a tiny window, yes, that is, how small, but they would jump into it. they independently conducted negotiations, for example, with rental companies abroad, these are all interesting stories, how can i be distracted, so

let's focus on our channel, and the cinema, its cinema, and its auto tour, and its actors, and could invite. nata vachnadze, for example, was invited to act, there was no language barrier, because the films were not sound and with intertitles, well, in general, there was a passion to create one's own, first of all, and there was a feeling and conditions to do it, and it was very exciting, and young cinema and young people, it seems to me that it was somehow logical, because they could not come to young cinema, to the new art for ukrainian culture in general, they could not come. old people with their own stereotypes, templates and so on, that is, of course, there were older directors who worked in cinema until the age of 17, but the younger generation, which gradually supplanted them, well, it is powerful, in the end

it gave dovzhenko, who already dovzhenko alone is enough to talk about how many years are left before stalin becomes chief producer. countries, how many is it, when, when stalin completely blocked this freedom of cinema, it happened gradually, in cinema, i won’t say, but this is the moment when they close the window and turn it into a ukrainian film, and then into a ukrainian film there was no longer such an independent role in the cinema, as it was in vuvuk, it was the beginning of the 30s, after all, as with all cultural processes, unions are created.

the master of the ship is like a biographical novel, yes, but there are many novels within novels, yes, that is, there is a very complex structure, but also a beautiful structure, of course, when a movie is being shot here and there, here is this beautiful, beautiful city, by the way, we understand that this is odessa, although yanovsky says, you are a city, yes, there are port girls here, there is some music , jazz, here, here there are some loves, it's not a triangle, it's... i calculated that it's a hexagon, because the ballerina, she has relationships, has crushes there with different men, yes, and and and actually every, every main character has its prototype, let's start with the fact that tomaki is a fellow master cinema, this is yanovsky himself, and

he also remembers his young self as an editor, that is, about tomaki, we somehow forget after 10 pages of the first ones, he is primarily an editor who came. to work for a film studio with a director he already knew, and in the first edition of the novel his name is sashko aha... yanovsky did not want us to recognize these prototypes, and in the first edition, there is even a separate paragraph about this, he directly says : i don't want you to guess who's behind this, so i won't name names when talking about the smaller characters, but one he calls the name, he calls mykhailo, this is the only real one, and i thought, i don't have any answers, i thought why he called selenka mykhailo, because it's obvious to everyone, mykhailo , the leader of the left poets of our country, was a little bit lacking, to be great, but there's more to come. there is that one, this is exactly the paragraph that was cut during yanovsky’s lifetime, it is in

the third edition of the novel, i believe that it is self-censorship, he threw out half a paragraph about semenko, in the first edition, there are two whole pages of a conversation with him, no be a jerk and a sentimentalist, semenko tells him, hey, it's about semenko, there's a lot of interesting stuff, but it was semenko who brought him and dovzhenko, that's right, to the odesa cinema. he brought everyone somewhere, he also brought yanovsky into literature, he sent for him, so to speak, when he read his first poems in the newspaper in kyivska, he asked the woman to inquire who he was and bring him to their futuristic organization, he brought when he first went from kyiv to kharkiv to work at his uncle's house, he also passed everyone in the world there, including yanuvsky from... shanov and geosh korupia, from kyiv a futurist poet, who later returned to kyiv, but he also did not miss the cinema, because he shot

and wrote the script for two films, both of which were screened, but both films, unfortunately, were lost and both were shot at the odesa film studio, obviously, well, not obviously , in those days when yanovskyi worked there as an editor, that is, their world was tight, they came from kyiv photoism, correctly moved to odesa cinema, it's the same as now, everyone knows everyone, that's how it is in this environment. such a literary one, so everyone cooperated with everyone somewhere, everyone knows everyone well - that's it this is dozhenko, who else is there, well, ballerina, next yes, ballerina, yes, ballerina, this is a moscow ballerina, she is italian by origin, her father is italian, her name was ita, because of that, ita penzo, she was 21 years old when she was filmed, when

she pretends to be older, that is, 21 years is amazing, and life it turned out not at all like in the novel, in the novel she stays, you remember, with the sailor bohdan, and for me , by the way, this is not obvious, for me, i suspect others. well, because yanosky didn't want us to guess, and in fact it's not an autobiographical novel, but it's still fiction a reality invented by him, where there are some separate elements from the reality that really surrounded him, and the prototypes are also only elements, because in fact the buddha, even the buddha is real, this figurine of the buddha, but you will be amazed where it was found, where its discovered in the 60s, she was in kyiv, i think... now somewhere in kyiv, and it intrigues me very much, to find this figure, but sailor

bohdan - this is his prototype was the director hryhoriy cherikovar, or gricher, from hryhoriy cherikovar, short for gricher or gricher, has a truly adventurous character biography, all these stories about the islands, pao, this is really his yes, it’s all true, and this buddha was discovered in his widow in the... she is of the sailor bohdan's build, listen, but i don't know, it seemed to me that you really intrigued me now, that she stayed with the sailor bohdan, because i suspected that maybe these two sons are tomaks, maybe... it's from a ballerina and they themselves suspect so, and we readers also suspect so, and i and i

inclined to the fact that it is possible that she died giving birth to her second child, so he writes to 70-year-olds, and he does not want to directly tell them about it, one way or another, but the fate of this penzo was very tragic, and her husband was repressed , then the second time... they pressed her herself, she served time in the camps, and of course, after the camps, she did not return to her profession, but she was found by an odessa journalist, who began to spin all the eyes... then met, a lot of things it turned out to be true, but much of what was described in her image was not from her, for example, manky, no one called her that, this is a completely different relationship, completely from other people,

that one is such a buddha, but for example, she really has a photo where she is in a swimsuit in italy, where she went to visit her aunt, described in novel this photo existed on she wants a redhead she was old and gray when i saw her but but i know she's only in the early 80's she read this novel only in the early 80's interesting , how, how did she react to him, that is, no-no, not in the early 80s, no, she read it, and she there was a book with a gift inscription... by yanovsky, that is, she had read it even then, but she didn't quite know ukrainian, that is, it was quite difficult for her, she didn't hide it, everything was fine, but what language did they speak, no, let's go first, we are now, this will be such a teaser about what language the heroes spoke in odessa, but my first question, one more question of mine, the last one, is about the professor, yes, the professor,

who insists that the ship that they are making for filming, he... must be wooden, handsome, handsome, a professor tells, and this professor is also a historical character, yes, the professor is vasyl hryhorovych krychevskyi, an artist, an architect, an artist with a capital li, a master of capital letters, they were close friends with yanovsky, and just as they were preparing this vivativ book for printing, and i came across a letter from krygryv in the yanovsky fund, kry, hyphen, gry, hyphen, wa, in the card file it is described as a letter from an unidentified person, but it is krychevsky hryhorovych vasyl, from the context, there is also about the novel, i heard that you brought it up me in the novel, ah, and there was something so humorous about them address, oh uncle, he is writing to yanovskyi, there is a huge age difference between them, and it is clear that

krychevskyi loves yanovskyi, maybe even like a son. and that yanovsky also loves krychevsky from the correspondence from yanovsky's article, he has an essay by vasyl krychevsky, i have all of yanovsky's essays about those people who became prototypes, i collected them and added them to this book in the vivativ edition, and there is still a notebook in yanovsky's archive so beautiful in a red cover, you open the cover like this and there is a beautiful, beautiful drawing of a sailboat, or rather a sail. written by yuriy yanovsky, yuryka yanovsky wrote on the back, this notebook was given to me by vasyl hryhoriyovych kirchevsky in odessa in 27 and he wrote it with his own hand, yes, and here is this cover to the master of the ship, it’s krychevsky, yes, it’s also krychevsky, he even made two covers, because the first and second editions came out, where there are sailboats, in

which you guess the human face, and then the third edition... he made a different cover, there are only fonts, and there is a color, red and blue, and he arranged the letters like this, master ship is interesting, this is also an original avant-garde cover, i would read bazhan’s memoirs, and he and bazhan write that there was really a great sympathy between krychevsky and yanovsky, and that yanovsky and dovzhenko were not inclined to trust anyone, but they trusted krychevsky, so that krychevsky made a lot of films at that time at the odesa film factory, and they took and they... trusted krychevsky very much, i want to ask you now about, you have such a good, such a good text called ukraine without sandermokh, which would be if there was no sundermog, and you have such a whole, well, a whole essay about how

literature could develop, how many nobel laureates we could have and international contact, if it were not for sundermog. and when you read this text, what else attracts me to it, the master of the ship, the fact that you read it, and you read it already as a utopia, you you you understand that all the main characters, all the main ones, mikhail semenko will be shot , so dovzhenko will correct his biography all his life and in the end he will be chopped into pieces, as he said, so is tomaki yanovsky himself, he is not will live to be 70 years old and will also be constantly oppressed. because of his nationalism, right? who else is there ballerina tanakh will sit in the camps in golag, right? and, but here is such a phrase:... i want to quote it, this is the 28th year, friends, and look that back in 28, it was already the soviet government, and this is the period

of ukrainization, but what else could have been written , so, yanovsky writes about himself, obviously, and how was it for everyone to understand that i have one bride, a bride from the cradle, about whom i probably thought even then, when i did not know how to speak, a bride, what is for her i lived a whole life, dedicated a steel sword to her and put a heavy shield under the sword for her, for her i loved the sea, put an anchor on the coat of arms, an iron heavy anchor, which is accepted by all the seas of the world, and a mighty ship, the culture of the nation, is called her , that is , it was still possible to say these things in 28, and even then it was completely closed. and that is, after all, the ship is a young ukrainian republic, you can interpret it that way, you can,

this level of reading is also laid there, we have already done it several times, you have already myrosla, several it has been mentioned several times that the novel is complex, and it seems to me that it is complex on the one hand in appearance, and on the other hand it is really complex, but complex in the sense that there are many levels of reading. and we can read about morokina and love, and we can about much more interesting things, some deeper things that are more present for the author himself to read, but we already mentioned that the city was released this year, that they are almost the same age as yanovsky, graveside yanovsky, and these are the first debut novels, which are immediately so outstanding e. the kyiv magazine globus about conducted a survey about the master of the ship, well, they asked critics, writers, cultural figures, and among them was pidmohylny, because this is a kyiv

magazine, pidmohylny is nearby, and uh, pidmohylny is very interesting, i read this novel one by one attack with unflinching, which means delight and interest, he considers him to be the author. the city considers him outstanding even then in the 28th year, an outstanding phenomenon of ukrainian literature, and in the 28th year there was still in kyiv a thick literary monthly life revolution and andrii nikovsky, a figure of the era of the ukrainian people's republic a well-known politician and literary critic during the year in the life of the revolution included two articles, one about yury yanovsky and the other about valerian pidmohylny, i.e. he. who wrote reviews there of the first books of techeina and supported him, who wrote about the first editions of semenko, this year he singled out two novelists and devoted

large articles to them, although they each had one novel written, and about yanovsky, in particular, he wrote that there is still no master of the ship, that is, his article for the master of the ship just came out, but there was already baigorod yanovsky gathering the blood of the earth, and in the master of the ship they drink wine. smuggled wine, the blood of the earth, yanovsky himself rhymes, you see, gives us such hints about some additional reading and about the connection with his other works, well, yes, but it is not necessary to know this, you can read it without it, to understand and love the novel, but nikovsky predicts a great future for yanovsky, which was completely crushed as a result of the cultural. of soviet power, in fact, roman yanovsky is such a crack, a window into a world that we do not

managed to save it, you can interpret it that way, that's what you called this resolution, i wrote it too, the 32nd year, the resolution of the central committee of the communist party of ukraine on the restructuring of literary and artistic organizations, that is, it transformed it. the literary process from the motley fair you write to the gray collective farm, anatov of cheerful good-natured people wrapped the union of ukrainian soviet writers, that is, this was his last, last burst of this cheerful, good-natured, bright something, or did he try to do something else after that, but already these , it was already considered isms, nationalism and... after all, nationalism was sewn to him forever, maybe not from the master of the ship, but from the four sabers, probably, and eh, because after all, this is a truly nationalist novel, the four sabers,

horsemen are from his pre-war novels, this is the weakest , of course, the text, probably because of this , he was there, where he already had to fulfill many standards, some requirements, and because of that , horsemen were always in the program of the soviet school, by the way, i also studied horsemen at school, we were not given a master ship in the appropriate, and now the children of the master are studying ship, yes, as far as i know, it is from most programs, well, there are variations of the program. but in principle, the master of the ship is just now a piece of software, yes, that i too, by the way, in the 10th grade or in the 11th to understand the master of the ship, well, i don’t know, it’s, i don’t know, it’s quite difficult, but you see , you see, children love, and therefore the next point that i want to discuss with you is yanovsky's nationalism, in the 45th year he works as a correspondent at the nuremberg trials and

after. after the war, he writes the novel "living water", writes about the ukrainian village, the one that survived the fascist invasion, about that, about this, about the reconstruction of the ukrainian world destroyed by the fascists, and so on, and by the way, and this also reminds me so much of dovzhenkov's ukraine of fire, because in fact, for what they beat dovzhenko for ukraine with fire, for the same they started beating yanovsky for living water. and from kaganovych's presentation, i understand that, yes, he is scolded for the fact that it is nationalism, he is branded, he is forced to rewrite this novel, and this novel turns out to be something like this, but i have not read the novel mir, this reworked novel from this living water, i confess to you, i have not read it either, but my question is not about the novel, but about how he managed to avoid repression, how he managed

to save his life and... this is such a question, on there is no answer to him myroslav, i believe that the nature of the repressions among the ukrainian intelligentsia was random, not in the sense that it was known, yes, selective, it was destroyed purposefully, but each individual person is a set of coincidences, they could shoot bazan, or they could shoot yanovsky, tychyna could have been shot, but he could have survived. i do not know, under the grave could survive, i don’t know who, that is, there are no regularities in this, not only that, there is a story about vasyl mysik, when they came with a warrant for vasyl mynk, but they made a mistake and got to mysik’s apartment, they also have similar surnames, and mynko himself, i remember seeing a documentary film, my brother mytko tells me that the mouse was said to have served time for me, there is also a story about

how we... had to arrest him after repenting at some meeting in the union, the poet, the poet ivan malovichko and kritii oleksiy polteratskyi malovichko came home in good faith and was soon arrested in the evening, and poltoratsky went to drink out of grief and wandered somewhere all night, he came in the morning, he was told that he had been knocked on, poltoratsky packed his suitcase and sat at home for a month, did not come out, waiting for what would happen to him they will come, but they didn’t come for him, but... he was already recruited later, that is, it could have been like this, it’s all a terrible fate, it’s a lottery in which there was no winning in principle, but those people were afraid for their lives and didn’t everyone was brave, i am about the brave, me i'm reading, i just accidentally bought a book of texts and memories about maksym arilsky and

actually about him and his test. and i want to quote as such a small literal excerpt, how maksym rylskyi defends yuriy yanovsky even after the death of yuriy yanovskyi, so this is an article called the truth is always the truth in memory of yuriy yanovskyi, writes maxim rylskyi, this is the 62nd year, imagine it's already a thaw, so it's already... there is no regime of repression or a regime when they simply destroy, come and take people away, but look how carefully and with what fear maksym tadeyovych writes, defending, defending yanovsky, so he says that yanovsky is a very national character, and i stand by this, but with a national character - he writes: