stable enough, it is, well, now it showed 83%, in principle, various polls during this time, they showed 80% plus, but among them now we record 6% of ukrainians who believe in pere among those who believe in negotiations, who will consider as a victory even, how to say it, probably even... the freezing of the conflict and when russia will have something left of the occupied territories, be it crimea or donbass or even other regions, that is, for this part of ukrainians, it will still be a victory, so it a change in social attitudes, you can say that this is a change, please can you say it's a change? well, yes, i think, yes, yes, so the numbers used to be smaller. and in principle, it is not surprising that they began,

that they began to grow, because the dynamics changed, the dynamics changed, the dynamics at the front, and well, obviously, people began to understand that this war would be long, and again, there was a transition from inflated expectations to frustration and... so it affected these numbers, anyway i think the numbers are enough, they're optimistic enough, well, look, even let's talk about mobilization, because i really, i think that this is such a painful topic, and here is our survey, it showed, by the way, we did it jointly with the sociological service of the rozumkov center, it is the end of march, and this survey showed that the total number of those who is ready to go to...

19%, that is, those who are already in the defense service and you, who are ready to go, 19%, this is a lot, this is a large number, another 35% are ready to help the army, give, volunteering, collecting drones, blood donors and so on, another 35, and about 29% they say, well, what about our... with region, that is, we would, in order to survive, and we will think first of all about ourselves, well , there are such people during any wars and in any countries, there is such a category of people, but i think that 19% is high percentage, so before the war, it was 22.5%, that is, it fell somewhat, but not significantly, and then the question arises: if

we have such a large number of people who are ready for mobilization, or already at the front, then why are there problems with mobilization, here i think, well, we do not avoid pressing issues, i think that this is connected significantly, for this there is objective reasons, yes objective reasons i already said, yes. that is, this is the continuation of the war, this is the understanding that it will drag on, this is the death of loved ones and suffering, this includes, let's say, that people did not begin to disbelieve in social justice, in terms of mobilization, these are some scandals, scandals within the authorities that reduce from trust in her, but i would add to that, and... and the communication

strategy, i think that this communication strategy, it, it is late, it is miscalculated, that is, everything should be done when , a high level of trust, he is not yet begins to fall, and we are here, we are wasting time here, that is, again, if the reformation of the mobilization process had to begin. it was necessary to start earlier, well, this is how i would explain it, well , it is the same, by the way, as this is the registration of ukrainians abroad, yes, well, i know that you discussed it a lot in this studio, again, nothing the bad thing is that a ukrainian, who is on the consular register, he has to, he has to go to er... to

this military office or whatever he is personally or whatever his name is, but it is necessary to clarify, how is it done, what are the consequences, well, it has not been done. clarifications came later, well , again, clarifications that even people who do not do this, they still receive consular assistance, if there is some, some force majeure, children, we have to call a spade a spade , after all the main idea was that people would start returning to ukraine, conscripts, and that was the idea of ​​not providing consular services, but when it became obvious that this measure would not... lead to what those who who spoke about it, then such, i would say, explanations of why this is being done, because we want people to become i think that it was naive

to hope that people would immediately leave, go to mobilize in ukraine, due to the fact that they are not, will not be provided with, or rather, will not be provided with consular services, that is, once again , communication, this communication, it goes, it comes with a problem and it is one of the as in my opinion this is one of the explanations, well, again, let's recall a bunch of cases, including, probably in everyone's environment, yes, when we know, there are people who went to visit us and said what we want. that we have a military specialty, there are military retirees who are young enough, because they retire earlier, they were ready, they were told: wait, i was there then, it was just necessary to do it, and they said, wait, during this time there was

some, well, what we were talking about, the fall to the fall in confidence, which was objective, again still, i don't think that this is a catastrophic fall to... to the authorities, thank god, but it is, and of course, now it complicates this recruiting, maybe it's not a matter of a drop in trust, but people's awareness that there will be a war continue for 6 months, and not eight, but 10 years and no one will demobilize you, if you join the armed forces, people could have completely different expectations, they could think that they are going to fight for 3-6-9 months, now ... even this law on mobilization did not stop the main demobilization, and among people there is a certain mistrust about this, i don't know if it is reflected in sociology, then this could become a driving moment, well, look, 19% is a figure at the end of march, so i think that at that time people already understood,

understood, that the war is protracted, by the way, from this 19%, now i will say how much? and i think, wait a second, i'm going to give you an exact, exact number, and so a second, yeah, of that 19%, nine say we 'll join the defense forces if military action comes near where they live, and it will actually be too late, so we understand that training is needed, even if we take people for those... for the specialty they have, a peaceful specialty, and we will simply use it at the front. but let's talk, i'm still not an expert, let's say in these matters, maybe we 'll talk about something else about populism,

by the way, i think that populism is also a driving force, the attitude towards such processes or not? in people's minds, it is... the search for simple answers to complex questions, how inclined are ukrainians to this today? well, look, we asked the question, let's say to feel it, we asked the question about who is more trusted, whether the people as a whole, or the average citizens who are supposed to rule our ukraine, yes, our... or representatives of the government, or professionals, or experts, who should be listened to more, the people, who are always right in quotation marks, yes, or after all professionals and experts, well, you understand what the answer was, that is, the absolute

majority says that the representatives of the people , the people know everything, well, we understand that the word elite is in we are discredited. the word "politician " is also discredited in our country due to both objective reasons and the fact that what is happening now is such a process... mm, i would say that everything has disappeared under the name of self-discrediting, by the way, i now i will say a kremlin, kremlin opinion, maybe someday i will write a provocative post on this topic, about the fact that now it is not the single marathon that worries me anymore, everything is clear with the single marathon, trust in it is falling, and people do not perceive it as the first source information, and what people perceive as not the first source of information, it's according to our survey, it's... precisely telegram and youtube, and we understand how much unverified information there is, how many fakes there are, how many

manipulations there are, and frankly, what is happening in our social media, now it's starting to remind me of the situation on the eve of the 2019 elections, so it's starting to remind me, that is , a single marathon is not good, i... i'm not defending it, i'm for it, well, the principles on which it's built, i'm against it condemn, and ukrainians show that trust in him is really falling constantly, but what is happening on the other side, well, in my opinion, it really poses a threat to the country, well, well, i might come back here, since we started talking about populism, that is, the people are wise, professionals, experts are not ... wise, but what is interesting is when we ask the question of

what do you want, do you want to be represented in politics by an average citizen or a professional politician, and here the dynamics are changing, it was like this, and now it became approximate, approximately equal, that is, when you ask people abstractly, or who the right one, so... who is better? well, it is clear that the people, that ordinary citizens and so on and so on. when you ask more specifically, and who should represent you, make decisions for you in the same parliament, people, people start to think, they scratch the back of their neck and think, well, i'm sorry, i'm sorry that you're not a doctor, because what you are telling is to some extent a session. schizophrenia, and not a political one, but look, you say that on the one hand people believe that everyone should rule the custom, that,

that the people are much more intelligent than some professional politicians, people go to the polling stations, they elect not a professional politician as president, but an ordinary person from the people, they elect ordinary people from the people as deputies, who have nothing to do with politics, never with it engaged in and were not even interested in these future deputies are gathered in... some holiday home in truskavets, just to explain to them what politics is and what laws are, these are ordinary people who voted for them, these are the people who relatively speaking, clean towels or breakfast are brought to them in truskavets, these are the same people who sit in the parliament, they are no different, nothing at all, the same people, simple, then the same people who elected these same people , like themselves, is thinking, maybe we need some professional people to represent us? on

the other hand, these same people say: why should we go to fight when the children of deputies are not fighting, but these deputies are the same people as you, they just came from the same office as you left, you just they were voted for, these are the common people you put in the parliament, what claims, and it surprises me, you see, and i don't know what to do about it, i'm not sure what it is at all. can be cured well, you see, i apologize for such a long question, no, experience heals a little, yes, that is, some certain changes are taking place, ah, well, i would say that it is not schizophrenia, sociologists have a term for it, well, maybe journalists can say schizophrenia, sociologists have the term ambivalence, ambivalence, fine, so uh, uh, but, here i would like to say, by the way, about your

mention of social justice, i think that this is precisely one of the criteria why, let's say, there is no trust, proper trust in the mobilization carried out by the authorities, you are absolutely right to say that, well, your program often discusses the experience of israel, well, the children of ministers are fighting there, yes, they are fighting, they are fighting, of course. yes, and everyone knows about it, and if there is not even a question why, i think that if we have such cases, i do not think that there are many, but ... it is necessary to say and we must really do so that, well, if not the children of these young deputies, yes, but at least the relatives around, so that they are really also mobilized, are at the front, and that we know about it, and then it will prove that in we have, that we have social justice,

and you don't just take those who are easier to take, there from the village or from the workers, and... and it really creates a sense of social injustice, just like people, well, you eat them, there were now explanations, well, this is also a painful topic, there were now explanations of the military, under the conditions when the russians are advancing, it is very difficult to carry out at least a partial demobilization, but it would be necessary to do so that people could at least go home, recover their strength, see their relatives and so on, that is, some things, some... what needs to be done and they will be to increase trust in the authorities, but again , here i went into the topic where, well, i am not an expert on mobilization, but it is simply, so to speak, opinions from the side, opinions out loud, thank you, thank you, which i do on the base of our polls, thank you, oleksiy haran, professor of political science

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political analytics objectively and meaningfully. there is no political season. exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. frankly and impartially. you draw your own conclusions. we continue the politclub program on stresa tv channel, our guest is anatoliy hrabchynskyi, deputy general the director of the company that deals with rev, an aviation expert, so let's talk about what can be done with the ukrainian military-industrial complex, this is an important topic, i think, because we understand that without our weapons we will not be able to do much, we hear all the time from the allies here... you can shoot, here you can't shoot, here you can, here, well, if we had our own weapons, wouldn't we ask, well , actually, yes, if we're talking about our own opportunities, then there is no need to ask anyone

for permission, and it should be noted, in principle, what for these two years we managed to reach, well, get such certain opportunities and increase our opportunities, including our own developments, taking into account the scaling of some directional production facilities. weapons, but there is a significant problem, these are components and funding, because we understand that the state does not have enough funding, so we need to look for funding at the expense of, for example, our western partners, and this is the main task now in order to, in addition to that we need help, and this really cannot be refused and must be asked for, for example, there are high-tech shock weapons there. there are heavy equipment, airplanes, we need them, the same atakams, hymers, that’s all we need, because we can’t produce it so quickly, we can produce means

of radio-electronic warfare, we can produce some means of armored vehicles, we we have directions, for example, very good in uavs, of different, different ranges, but there is also a need for such equipment, and there are already positive ones. points regarding, for example, financing from europe, ukrainian companies that will be able then the troops will supply their products directly, by the way, i understand that at the defense forum in brussels that we attended, this is exactly what they talked about, if we talk about the main directions, just tell us what is being discussed right now, ah, let's start with the fact that i would like to compare two such important forums that i happened to be at, in warsaw last year and... in brussels this year, and there is a significant difference communication with our western partners is essential the difference in communication with

european companies that produce weapons, for example, if even last year there was an offer from european companies, for example, buy this, buy this, then now , as a real example , manufacturers of certain weapons approached and said: you can supply on our means of electronic warfare? we can, okay, let's, representatives of some countries come and say, and we can finance, do you have, what do you have in service so that we can purchase and transfer it for the military directly to military units, and moreover, it should be noted here that europe understands that we are a little ahead in some areas of military armament, because we are at ground zero here. so to speak, and we receive 24x7 information, and we try to improve some of our products as quickly as possible, and due to this, we are ahead of some western developments,

but i would like to draw attention to the fact that here it is necessary to collaborate with western companies, that they in fact, they have a lot to offer us, collaboration of what type, so that they have their own production here, we can talk about the placement, for example, of some means of production and there are already certain conversations when... they offer to open a production in the territory of ukraine at the expense of supplying a complete set of equipment for the production of means there and then, to be able to do this in ukraine, and these are positive points in principle, and here again we can return to the fact that we can make compatible products, then, kotor, which after our victory, after the end of the war, can be sold all over of the world, i want to draw attention to the fact that some of the means that ukraine is currently... making, they are dual-purpose, and we must not forget that the same reconnaissance uavs that fly over long distances in our country can carry out reconnaissance forest fires, they

can guard the borders, they can... monitor some nature reserves there, and so on, that is, we can say the same about the means of radio-electronic warfare, in fact, that legislatively equalizing the possibilities of using uav means will be difficult, however anyway, let's go let's be honest, because there is a ban on the use of firearms, but murders still happen, the same will happen now with fpv drones, this is a very powerful weapon and... in order for, for example, before a sniper had to sit down 3 km away and to aim at the gate there, and now it is enough to sit 15 km away and not necessarily be in direct line of sight, you understand, that is, you can fly there, fly into the hatch or the window of the car and that's all, you mean for criminal activity that it is necessary to neutralize some business enemy there, then it is not just as it will be in the 90s, it will already be, well, it will already be high-tech, and here we are actually

saying that it will be necessary to... that it will be necessary to somehow protect even the speeches of some political figures, even the performances at the stadium of some stars in order not to fly some drones, not to film it, then not to sell these videos, it is also necessary, it will be possible to regulate at the expense of means of radio-electronic warfare, and here we are talking about the fact that we have a significant opportunity in ukraine, let's start with that since 1991 there have been a lot of opportunities, and now we have yet another opportunity that can help ukraine significantly improve its own. the situation in the world, both economic and political, due to the fact that most countries, let's say japan, korea, they became high-tech after the war, and that is , we are saying that we now have an opportunity, and this opportunity should not be to lose, not to lose, and we have a chance, and it must be stimulated, that is, that our state managers, who are in our state, help us more actively practice this

topic here, but if we talk about... enthusiasm, indeed, how much enthusiasm is there in the west for the ukrainian military-industrial complex? and again, returning to, for example, past meetings, even when the representatives came here to ukraine, they were very actively interested and collected information, it is clear that time also collects information, but it is still more respectful to the ukrainians engineers, in fact there is potential and development in this direction. and for example, some western companies offer already compatible work, offer their software or offer their developments in artificial intelligence in order to implement our tools, and there is interest and there is interest at the level, i would note that it is actually at the level, it is clear that if you looked at us before, and what you you can, then now he sees that we can actually do something and quite very powerfully,

by the way, about the artificial one. intelligence, i always have the impression that we are watching the last war of the 20th century with the participation of a large number of military personnel with the participation of traditional military equipment, there are tanks, armored personnel carriers, and we are already here, the russian-ukrainian war has literally turned into a war of drones before our eyes, literally in a few months, but if artificial intelligence develops, maybe everything will change in an absolutely drastic way, maybe we are not the ones we are engaged in, well... let's start with the fact that, taking into account the amount of pressure that will fall on us from russia, we need to oppose technologies, technologies that will help to perform more tasks with fewer people, and this is what we are really talking about artificial intelligence, about algorithms that would help us solve certain areas of the problem, if we say that we need two or three fpv drones to destroy a tank, then we can say

that, for example, 12... from drones that will independently perform the task will be performed at the expense of one operator, not 12 pilots, and here we are talking about the fact that there is already an opportunity to work resistant to means of electronic warfare, and there are no other factors that can interfere, and this is worked out automatically, moreover , we we can talk about what can take off, for example, a large drone that will patrol a certain area of ​​the territory. and will send, for example, on a task or one scout, and then, well, in principle, here it looks like some kind of fiction, but let's go back to those videos that we see when the ground drones that provide logistics there are knocked out, for example, by aerial drones , that is, we are already in this war, the war, this is the beginning of that war, so who was watching terminator when it starts there, yes, this is it, you understand, because in fact a... there is a need for

counteraction and counteraction.