not enough, this is a large number, another 35% are ready to help the army, donate, volunteer, collect drones, donate blood, and so on, another 35, and some 29% say, well, our house is from the edge, that is, we would , in order to survive, we will think first of all about ourselves, well, there are such people at any time. what soldiers and in any countries there is such a category of people, but i think that 19% is a high percentage, so before the war, it was 22.5%, that is, it fell somewhat, but not significantly, and then the question arises, if we have such a large number of people who are ready before mobilization, or already at the front. so why

are there problems with mobilization, here i think, well, we do not avoid pressing issues, i think that this is connected with significant, there are objective reasons for this, yes, i have already said objective reasons, yes, that is the continuation of the war, this is the understanding that it will drag on, this is the death of loved ones from... suffering, this includes, let's say, that people did not begin to disbelieve in social justice regarding mobilization, these are some scandals, scandals within the authorities that reduce trust to her, but i would to that also added a communication strategy, i think that this communication strategy is, it is...

it is late, it is miscalculated, that is, everything should be done when the level of trust is high, it has not yet started to fall, and we are here, we are wasting time here , that is, once again, if the reformation of the mobilization process had to be started, it had to be started earlier, well , this is how i would explain it, well, it is the same, by the way, as... er, this is the registration of ukrainians abroad , yes, well, i know you 've discussed it a lot in this studio, again anyway, there is nothing wrong with the fact that a ukrainian who is on the consular register, he has, he has to join this military cabinet, no matter how personal he is or what he is called, but it is necessary to clarify how this is done, what are these has consequences. well, this was not done,

explanations came later, well, again , explanations that even people who do not do this, they still receive consular assistance, if there is some kind of force majeure, we also have to call a spade a spade , still the main idea was that people will begin to return to ukraine, military obligations, and this was the idea of ​​not providing consular services. and when it became obvious that this measure would not lead to what those who spoke about it had hoped for, such, i would say, explanations for why this is being done, because we want people to become explanations happened quite quickly, i believe, within a week, a week, 10 days , these clarifications arrived, and i think it was naive to hope that people would go immediately, go to mobilize. to ukraine,

due to the fact that they will not, er, not be supplied with, or rather, will not be provided with consular services. so, that is, once again, communication, this communication, it goes, it comes with problems, and this is one of, in my opinion, this is one of the explanations, well, again, let's remember a bunch of cases, including, probably , surrounded by everyone, yes, when we know, there are... people who went to the tax offices and said that we want that we have a military specialty, there are military pensioners who are young enough, because they retire earlier, were ready, they were told to wait. since then it was, since then it was necessary to do, that's it, but they said, wait, during this time some, well, what we were talking about, a fall to a fall of trust, which was objective, took place. i don't

think it's a catastrophic fall to power, thank god, but it is, and of course, now it complicates recruiting. maybe this is not a matter of a drop in trust, but people's realization that the war will continue for six months and not eight, but 10 years and no one will demobilize you if you join the armed forces. people could have completely different expectation, they could think that they are going to fight for 3-6-9 months. now that even this mobilization law has not regulated the main demobilization, and people have a certain mistrust about it, i don't know if it is reflected in sociology. then it could become a driving force, well , look, 19% is a figure at the end of march, so i think that at that time people already understood, understood that the war was dragging on, by the way, from this 19%, now i will say how much ,

in my opinion, what, wait, now one second, i'll give you the exact, exact number, ah... so just a second, yeah, of that 19%, nine say we'll join the defense forces if military action gets close to where we live, and it's actually too late, yeah, we we understand that training is needed, even if we take people for those, for the specialty they have, a peaceful specialty, and we will simply use it on er... on the front, but let's talk , after all, i am not an expert, let's say, in these, in these matters, yes, maybe we will talk about something else there, about populism, about by the way, i think that populism is also a driving force, the attitude to such processes, or not, in the minds of people, it is

a search for simple answers to complex questions, that is how much ukrainians are inclined to this today, well, look, we asked a question, let's say to feel it, we asked a question about who is more trusted, whether the people as a whole, or ordinary citizens who are supposed to rule our ukraine, yes, our country, or government representatives or professionals, yes, and experts, who should be listened to more. people, who is always right in quotation marks, yes, after all , professionals and experts, well, i understand what the answer was, that is, the absolute majority says that the representatives of the people, the people know everything, well, we understand that the word elite

is discredited in our country, the word our politicians are also discredited due to both objective reasons and the fact that in what is now in... well, such a process is taking place, i would say, everything has disappeared under the name of self-discrediting, by the way, i will say now kremlin, kremlin opinion, maybe someday i will write on this topic a provocative post about the fact that now it is not the only marathon that worries me more, everything is clear with the only marathon, trust in it is falling, and people do not perceive it as the first source of information, but what do people perceive? if not the first source of information, it is according to our survey, it is just telegram and youtube, and we understand how much unverified information there is, how many fakes there are, how many manipulations there are, and frankly, what is happening in our social media, now i is starting to resemble

the situation on the eve of the 2019 elections year, so here i am... it begins to remind me, that is, a single marathon is not good, i do not defend it, i am for it, well, the principles on which it is built, i condemn it, and ukrainians show that they really trust it is constantly falling, but what is happening on the other side, well, in my opinion, it really poses, poses a threat to the country, well, well, i might come back here, since we started talking about populism, that is... the people are wise, professionals, experts are not wise, but what is interesting when we ask the question of what, a as you want, you want an average citizen or a professional politician to represent you in politics, and here the dynamics

are changing, it was like this, and now it has become approximately, approximately equal, that is, when you ask people abstractly. or who is more right, so to speak, who is better? well, it is clear that the people, that ordinary citizens and so on and so on, when you ask more specifically, who? and should represent you, make decisions for you in the same parliament, people, people start to think, they scratch the back of their heads and think, well, i i'm sorry, i'm sorry that you're not a doctor, because what you're saying is to some extent a schizophrenic session, and not a political one, but look, you're saying that on the one hand, people think that everyone should be governed by custom, what, what... the people are much more intelligent than some professional politicians out there, people go to the polling stations,

they elect not a professional politician as president, but an ordinary person from the people, they elect ordinary people from the people who have nothing to do with the people as deputies politics, never engaged in it and not even were interested, these future deputies are gathered in some rest house in truskavets, just to explain to them what politics is and what laws are, these are ordinary people who voted for them, here... people who, relatively speaking, in truskavets bring they eat there, like me , clean towels or eat breakfast, these are the same people who sit in the parliament, no different, nothing at all, the same people, simple, then the same people who elected the same people as themselves, think , maybe we need some professional people to represent us, with the other side these same people say: why should we go to fight when the children of deputies are not fighting, but these deputies are the same

people as you, they just came from the same office as you left, you are just for them voted, this is the common people that you put in the parliament, what complaints, and it surprises me, you see, and i don't know what to do about it, i'm not sure that it can be cured at all, well, you see, i'm sorry for such a long question, no, experience heals a little. cures, yes, that is, some certain changes are happening, but i would say that it is not schizophrenia, sociologists have a term for it, well, maybe journalists can say schizophrenia, sociologists have a term ambivalence, ambivalence, fine, but here i would like to say, by the way, about your mention of social justice, i think that this is precisely... one of the criteria why, let's say, there is no trust,

proper trust in the mobilization carried out by the authorities, you absolutely rightly say that, and in your program you often israel's experience is discussed, well, there are children ministers are fighting, yes, yes, they are fighting, they are fighting, of course, yes, and everyone knows about it, and if there is not even a question why, i think that if we have such cases. i don't think there are many of them, but we need to talk about it and really do it so that, well, if not the children of these young deputies, yes, but at least the relatives around, so that they are really also mobilized, are at the front, and that we knew about it, and then it will prove that we have, that we have social justice, and not just take those who are easier to take, there are villages or from workers, and it really creates a feeling

of social injustice, as well as people, well, you them, there were now explanations, well, this is also a painful topic, there were now explanations from the military that in the conditions when the russians are advancing, it is very difficult to carry out at least partial demobilization , but it would be necessary to do so that people could at least go home, recover their strength, see their... relatives and so on, that is, some things, some things should be done and they will increase trust in the authorities, but again, i here i went into a topic where i am not an expert mobilization, it's just so to speak opinions from the outside, opinions in voice, thank you, thank you, which i do on the basis of our surveys, thank you, oleksiy haran, professor of political science at the kyivol academy, scientific director of the democratic initiatives fund of the name. we will be on the air now for literally a few minutes, but don't tune in, no, no, no, no, no,

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22 at espresso. we continue the politclub program on the stresa tv channel, our guest is anatoliy hrabchynskyi, the deputy general director of the company that deals with rev, an aviation expert, so let's talk about what can be done with the ukrainian military-industrial complex, this is an important topic, i think, because we understand, without our weapons we won't be able to do much, we hear all the time from the allies, here you can shoot, here you can't shoot, here you can, here, well, if we had our own weapons, we would not... ask, well, actually, yes, if we are talking about our own capabilities, then there is no need to ask anyone for permission, and it should be noted, in principle, that in these two years, we managed to reach, well, get such certain capabilities and increase our capabilities, taking into account our own developments, taking into account the scaling of some directional military

weapons production, but there is a significant problem. these are components and funding, because we understand that the state does not have enough funding, so we have to look for it financing at the expense of, for example, our western partners, and this is the main task now so that, in addition to the fact that we need help, and this really cannot be refused, and it must be asked for, for example, there are high-tech shock weapons, there is heavy equipment , planes, and that 's for us... the same attacks, hymers, that's all we need, because we can't produce it so quickly, we can produce means of radio-electronic warfare, we can- we can produce some means of armored vehicles, we we have directions, for example, very good in uavs, different, different ranges, but there is also a need for such equipment, and there are already positive

points, regarding, for example, financing from europe, ukrainian companies, which will then be able to... supply their products directly to the military, by the way , i understand that at the defense forum in brussels that we were at, they talked about exactly this, if we talk about the main directions, just tell us what is being discussed right now, let's start with what, in fact, i i would probably like to compare two such significant forums on which i happened to be in warsaw last year and in brussels this year, and there is a significant difference in the union. with our western partners , there is a fundamental difference in communication with european companies that produce weapons for themselves, for example, if last year there was an offer from european companies, for example, buy this, buy this, now there were

manufacturers of certain means and they say, can you put on our means of radio-electronic warfare? we can ok come on suitable representatives of some states and they say, and we can finance, do you have what you have in arms so that we can procure and transfer it for the military directly to the military units, and moreover, it should be noted here that europe understands that we are in some areas of military armaments we are a little bit ahead because we are at ground zero here so to speak and we get 24x7 information and we try to be as fast as possible. develop some of our own products, and due to this we are ahead of some western developments, but i would like to draw attention to the fact that here it is necessary to collaborate with western companies, that they actually have a lot to offer us, what type of collaboration, so that they have their own production here, we can talk about placing, for example, some means of production, and there are already certain

conversations when they propose to open a production in the territory of ukraine at the expense of... supplying a complete set of equipment for the production of means there and then so that it can be done in ukraine, and these are positive points in principle, and here again we can return to the fact that that we can make compatible products later, which after our victory, after the end of the war, can be sold all over the world, i again want to draw your attention to the fact that some of the tools currently produced by ukraine are intended for dual purposes, and should not to forget that the same... reconnaissance circles that fly over long distances in our country, they can conduct reconnaissance of forest fires, they can guard borders, they can monitor some nature reserves there and... and so on, i.e. the same can be said about the means of radio-electronic warfare, in fact, it will be difficult to legally equalize the possibilities of using uavs, after all,

let's be honest, because there is a ban on the use of firearms, but murders still happen, the same will happen now with fp drones, this is a very powerful weapon, and in order to, for example, previously a sniper had to sit down 3 km away and aim there. gate, and now it is enough to sit 15 km away and not necessarily be in direct contact, you understand, that is, you can fly there, to fly into the hatch or through the window of the car and that's it, you mean for criminal activity that you need to neutralize some business enemy there, then it's not like it will be in the 90s, it will already be, well, it will already be high-tech, and here we are actually saying that it will be necessary to understand that it will be necessary to somehow defend even the speeches of some political figures. even the performances of some stars in the stadium so that some drones do not fly in, film it, and then sell these videos, it will also be necessary to regulate according to the account of means of electronic warfare, and

here we are saying that we have a significant opportunity in ukraine, let's start with the fact that there have been a lot of opportunities since 1991, and now we have another opportunity that can help ukraine significantly to improve their position in the world, both economically and politically, due to the fact that, well , the majority... come on, japan, korea, they became high-tech after the war. and that is , we are saying that we now have an opportunity, and this opportunity must not be lost, not lost, and we have a chance, and it it is necessary to stimulate, that is, that our state managers, who are in our state, help us to work more actively on this topic here. but if we talk about enthusiasm, really, that's how much enthusiasm there is in the west right now. industrial complex, but again, returning to, for example, past meetings, even when the representatives came here to ukraine, they were very

actively interested and collected information, it is clear that they also collect information, but still more respectfully refers to ukrainian engineers, in fact, there is potential and development in this direction, and, for example, some western companies already offer... interoperable work, offer their software or offer their developments in artificial intelligence in order to implement our tools, and there is interest, and there is interest is at the level, i would note that it is actually at the level, it is clear that if before we were looked at and what you can do, now they see that we can actually do something and quite very powerfully, by the way about artificial intelligence, i always have the impression that we are with you we observe the last one. with the participation of a large number of military personnel there, with the participation of traditional military equipment, there are tanks, armored personnel carriers, and we are

literally the russian-ukrainian war turned into a war of drones before our eyes, literally in a few months, but if artificial intelligence develops, it can in general , everything will change in an absolutely fundamental way, maybe that is not what we are doing, well, let's start with the fact that, taking into account the amount of influx that is falling on us from ... russia, we need to oppose technology, technologies that will help to perform more tasks with fewer people, and this is what we are really talking about artificial intelligence, about algorithms that would help us solve certain areas of problems, if we say that to destroy a tank we need two or three fpv drones, then we we can say that, for example, 12 fp5 drones, which will independently perform the task, will be performed. at the expense of one operator, not 12 pilots, and here we are talking about the fact that there is already an opportunity to work resistant to means of radio-electronic warfare, they do not interfere there

other factors that can interfere, and this is worked out automatically, moreover, we can talk about what can take off, for example, a large drone that will patrol a certain area of ​​​​the territory and will send, for example, on a task or one scout, and then and. .. in principle, here it looks like some kind of fiction, but let's go back to those videos that we see when the ground drones that provide logistics there are knocked out, for example, by aerial drones, that is, we are already in this war of war, this is the beginning of that war , so who is there watched the terminator, when it starts there, yes, that's it, you see, because in fact, there is a need for counteraction, and this counteraction will be more and more ... an impetus for high technology, and unlike our western partners, who are very are wary of artificial intelligence and are afraid that if russia starts using artificial silen for

nuclear... er missiles, it will terrify them, but unlike them, we went deeper into it and we started this work, because this will significantly help us fight the enemy, well, that's it things are a good question, because we do say that we are talking about the regulation of artificial intelligence there and the use of drones at the level of domestic legislation, but how to limit it at the level of international relations, when countries like russia and china may simply not recognize the general principles and feel free to use anything? well , they don't use them, they are also developing a nuclear power program there, the same korea, you understand, that is, here again, i think that this is another side, which is necessary, which it is necessary to talk, because we see the unification of countries, such as russia, iran, korea, that is, the creation of such a terrorist hub, which has become much larger than it was even in soviet times,

because if we said... in soviet times, this for the most part, there was such a military situation, there were consultants in yemen, somewhere in egypt, there was something else during the soviet era, now it is an open war against the west and on the territory of ukraine. well, still, when we talk about their level of weaponry, it's not very high-tech, neither iran nor the north korea does not look like such a center of high technology, they have classic weapons, but they are somehow not very new. classic weapons that were received from soviet times, during soviet times, and iran also received a lot of weapons from the americans during soviet times, well, iran, yes, it still has f4s still flying there and quite such good planes in fact, but if we talk about russian weapons, well, i keep saying, but there are simply a lot of them, they are not as technological, they are not as super as they seem in reality, because su-35 modernization of su-27, if we are talking about

the strategist. aviation of the russian federation, the russian federation cannot build strategic aircraft, this is all the military-industrial complex of the ssr, marshal stinov, so to speak, in fact, they recently showed komsomolsk on the amur, ah, a plant for the production of dry, dry su-35 and su -57. and the question arises, in the 18th year, a large article comes out from the head of shop 45 of the same plant, regarding the fact that they finally established production. assembly line production of su-35 aircraft, there is a question: su-35, deep modernization of the su-27 aircraft, it was produced since soviet times, and what was something you had that was lost, that you had to rebuild this line again, if the plant is still in place, everything is in place, in fact, if we are talking about a certain time there until 2008, russia was actively declining with the production of some

aircraft. after 2008 to the 14th year they made a lot of progress, in fact, it is at the expense of western components again, they were able to fill and produce a certain number of aircraft, and that's basically the leap they have now they are using it, since 2014 it has been decreasing little by little and, for example, back in the 16th or 18th year, they could build 10 aircraft of each type there, now we are talking about the fact that they are able to release 5 s35 or so. everything, why? because some high-tech components they can't get, they have engines with engines for each plane with engines they have a big problem because let's go back to soviet times, the soviet union got the first 40 jet engines from great britain, and the story started from there the creation of jet engines, and

there was a jet engine on the su-57. ignition during the presentation of the indian delegation, the second soup 57 crashed due to the fact that the control system was incorrect, which led to the activation of some of the controls, led to the fall of this aircraft and the curtains, so we are saying that there are technological problems that they cannot to decide, they cannot decide, for example, to increase the service life of some engines for strategic aviation, for tactical aviation, so what? which can fly only 100 hours, this nothing, but the strategic aviation, the tu-160 aircraft is high-tech, for the 80s, and the engine can only fly for 300 hours, this is not enough, that is, and it has to be thrown out and a new one inserted, they cannot make them, and therefore begins cannibalism, even deeper, the tu-160 series was released from some aircraft so...