i want to introduce our first guest today, this is dmytro razunkov, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in 2019-21, mr. dmytro, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, thank you, we ask our viewers about whether ukraine is threatened by authoritarianism, you as an experienced and informed person, what can you say about this, whether ukraine is threatened by authoritarianism, the desire for authoritarianism in ukraine always appears in some politicians. fortunately, it is not yet success was achieved, and this regime did not take root in us, those who do not believe can ask yanukovych, but the risk is always such, and today, when they ask, what ukraine is fighting for, for its land, for the future, it is all the same, but she is fighting not to become russia in terms of the way elections are held there, the way democracy is held there, the way... there is no freedom of speech,

no rule of law, huge corruption, that's what we have to do all that neither authoritarianism nor all those things that i just mentioned were not in ukraine, and in ukrainians are such a nation that this history does not survive, but it is definitely necessary to work on it so that it never survives, why i ask, because there is a fresh sociology of the kyiv international institute. sociology, and this sociology shows that 43% of ukrainians believe that during the 5 years of zelenskyi's presidency, the situation with democracy in ukraine has worsened, 28% of them are convinced that this happened due to the authorities' efforts to curtail the rights and freedoms of citizens, while 19% of ukrainians believe that the situation with democracy has improved, and 29% that it has not has changed, how would you describe the situation with democracy? in ukraine, during

the last five years, you came to power with zelenskyi's team, and obviously you can divide what happened during the last five years into several periods there, for the last 2.5 years you have been outside zelenskyi's team, and maybe more, maybe even more, how would you comment on this sociology, that 43% believe that the demo situation with... democrats in ukraine has worsened, well, i would classify myself as 43%, which has worsened, moreover, if we are talking about stages, there was a stage where it definitely improved at the beginning of the term, and the president, and the verkhovna rada, and the cabinet, i remember, and the attitude to many processes, it was absolutely not like that, you know, not not kandov, no, ordered as they say, it was human, and then it started... the attitude started to change, and

today i, i'm not only talking about the president, i'm talking about the system as a whole, and i believe that we have problems with democracy, we we can immediately mention about them the lack of freedom of speech, including in relation to of your channel, it is not at all a gate that cannot be entered, but also the situation surrounding the attitude to any other opinion, we can also... talk about the only marathon that destroyed or is destroying television today, and it is not mine, yours opinion, this is the opinion of our international partners, you have seen the statements of the state department of the united states, and embassies, etc., we can talk with you about the lack of democratic principles, about the fact that any other opinion or reference to the problem today is perceived as ipso, and you see how it is... the center of opposition

disinformation, or the disinformation action center, i don't know how to call it correctly, it actually tries to turn everything that the authorities don't like into some kind of treason, but this is definitely not the case, because there are a lot of people who absolutely do not need to prove their patriotism, their devotion to this state, they speak the truth, and for that they get paid, excuse the slang, but nevertheless. but the truth is such a thing that you have to fight for, and that is what the armed forces of ukraine are fighting for today, what they would like for thank you, you started our broadcast with the 28th brigade, first of all, they recently had an anniversary, and this is a cool brigade, and there are a lot of good officers fighting there, including camry, but look, we are talking about democracy, how you personally now feel yourself in the media space, you are now on the espresso tv channel. which does not

come out on t2 and to which there are probably claims in the office of the president or in the council of national security and defense, which turned us off illegally in april of the 22nd year, are you invited to... those channels that are in the only telethon, and how do you perceive it, that is, it is, if not invited, then it is a restriction of freedom of speech, restriction of freedom of speech of a people's deputy of ukraine, restriction of freedom of speech of a politician, ukrainian. let's break it down into parts, part one: as a guest on tv channels or off on tv channels that work in a single marathon or. peck a single marathon, because unfortunately, i am sure, they do not affect the editorial policy, i have not been for a very long time, i think that somewhere plus or minus in april of the same 22nd year, and i know for sure that there were blackouts, there were direct

bans, blocks for me to appear on the air of these channels, now the only place i can appear is when the meeting of the verkhovna rada is taking place, and they are forced to broadcast. and thus forced to broadcast what i am trying to convey to the people's deputies in the parliament and to the people so that they see that, first of all, there are adequate proposals, adequate ideas that should be implemented in life, and in that including showing those pitfalls that the government representatives really want to hide there ranging from raising taxes, increasing tariffs, corruption and many other things that they would like, well, no one to see, no one to hear about it, and to pretend that it does not exist, but it will not, so in as part of the rada tv channel, sometimes i also have to appear on this channel, and yes, thank you for the invitation, but you and i are somewhere

plus or minus in the same tray, because it is both illegal and wrong, but nevertheless, we live , we will survive and win, but tell me, well, i want to bend the logic with... if it is clear with petro poroshenko, that is, he is an opponent volodymyr zelenskyi in the 2019 elections, why exactly is zelenskyi's team fighting with dmytro razumkov, do they think that you are a competitor of volodymyr zelenskyi in the 200 elections on the 30th or what year, i don't know, they really like to fight with those who are not dance to their tune, frankly, and, but it doesn't work out for them, i will work to ensure that we bring to a logical end all the tasks that society set before us and we set before ourselves in the 19- this year, unfortunately, a lot has not been done, a lot has not been done it was done on purpose, and someone will have to do it, so i and my colleagues from smart

politics will do it, look at the promises, there is again the sociology of the kyiv international institute of sociology, 50% of ukrainians are convinced that president zelenskyi has not fulfilled... any or fulfilled a minority of his pre-election promises, 18% of respondents answered that zelenskyi fulfilled most or all of the promises, almost as many believe that he fulfilled about half of the promises, but the most respondents, 50%, explain the failure to fulfill promises by the presence dishonest, corrupt people in the president's team, then with approximately the same result of 26-32% there are explanations such as lack of competent people, his... team, full-scale invasion, own inexperience, influence of oligarchs, fewer respondents spoke about personal corruption, influence of others countries, the destabilization of the opposition situation, unrealistic promises, etc., i.e. , judging from these figures, it is clear that no matter how a single telethon works there, this is a sign

of equality that non-fulfillment or incomplete fulfillment of all pre-election promises zelenskyi and the equal sign, a full-scale invasion of this sign. he fulfilled none or only a minority of his pre-election promises, i think that it is also unfair here that he fulfilled some promises there, he did not fulfill a large number, and here we just need to sit down, analyze the program and really draw conclusions, what was fulfilled, what was not fulfilled, something was done under... the name, but in fact not, but the fact that 50% there is called a team, well, the leader is always responsible for his team, and the president selects his team, any president, in including president zelenskyi, by the way, he said that he has a small team, five to six managers, and it seems to me that with

a team of five to six managers it is normal to fulfill all the promises that were made, it is simply impossible , it's not in this case that i'm not even criticizing, but objectively, because i can't. it is possible to execute and manage the state in a command of five or six managers, this is a non-working mechanism, this is a non-working system, which... well, sooner or later will cause a global failure, this will not be the problem of the president or his team, this will be a global problem for ukrainian society and the ukrainian state, because everyone has their own approaches to team building, with whom you work, for example, i believe that the more smart people around me, the easier it will be for me to work, and the the more they will strengthen me, and i think that a different approach is possible for the president, i don't know, each leader... determines for himself the principle by which you live, some say ahead, some say after me.

er, as in the current situation, it is quite difficult for ukraine, er, it should act now the government, well, the general government, i am not saying whether the opposition is there now, or those who are part of the monomajority, or those who oppose the monomajority and are not in the opposition, it is clear that the powers have been extended. of the verkhovna rada, the powers of the president of ukraine have been extended, until the end of the election war there will be neither the president of ukraine nor the verkhovna rada, and here is the balance where the power cannot be changed, on the one hand, and on the other hand, that the government must understand , that it can still be changed, well, you understand what i'm saying, the government must and must be changed sooner or later, but if you... ask me the question, is it possible to hold elections today, and i believe that no,

objectively, if we are talking about the verkhovna rada, there are no questions at all, the extended powers until the end of martial law, this is clearly written and in the constitution and in other laws, there are various discussions about the president, some believe that he should have transferred his powers to the verkhovna rada, some believe that he should have gone, i believe that he should have gone, to get a document in the constitutional court, and moreover ... the office is very i was afraid that there would be some kind of internal mutiny here, someone there would bring people out into the street, tell them that there is someone real, not real, no, this is not the problem, the problem is something else, how it will be perceived abroad, including how will it affect our international support, if not, then okay, well, god forbid, but i always try to be safe in this regard so as not to create such problems for myself. not the state in which you work, but the government, elections

will be held only when there is a permanent suspension of fire, that is, the end of the war, the victory, there, i do not really believe in a long -term cessation of the conflict, because i believe that it will be very difficult economically to maintain the situation, because the army will have to be kept in the same direction, but... when, for example, stefanchuk gave a speech there, what he was studying, when it was convenient for them, because look, my position does not change depending on where i sit, or the level of support of people there, i am like in 22 he believed that elections should not be held during hostilities it is possible, and even now i think that it is almost impossible to do it, if we are talking about the authorities, the authorities had a different story, they did the following, they wanted to... hold elections first in the fall of 22, then on in the spring of the 23rd, then in the fall of the 20th parliamentary elections

or all, all, all, all, yes, then, in the fall of the 23rd, then in the spring of the 24th, and now they do not want to hold elections at all, never, they, well, because today the level of support, that is, you have confirmed data that they were going to spend in these periods, well, frankly the deputies also say, well , the president did not call me directly with confirmed data, but... it was not hidden in the monomajority, you can ask them about it, i think they will confirm it, and i remember these bravado reports that we will now win the elections, we will enter again with a monomajority, well, okay, and then it did not happen as expected, today they no longer want to hold elections, but why did i start saying this, at one time, the chairman of the verkhovna rada, stefanchuk, he talked about the fact that studies international experience, how holding elections during the war, they studied something so much, they studied that they had already forgotten, that is... when it was necessary, they studied, and when they saw that the ratings were not the same, they stopped

studying, this is the story about the seat, determines a place of behavior, behavior, but i always had a very simple formula for holding elections for those who want to hold them, if you want to hold them, you take and go to organize the election process, for example, well, at that time i offered them in the time of fyar, now can i suggest new york but new york is not the same as in... the united states, in the donetsk region, and show how elections should be held there, if they can survive and win, well, then okay, then elections can be held, if not, it is more likely, then probably today it will be very difficult to organize this process, plus the electoral system that exists today does not allow elections to be held in the state at all, because we have so-called open lists, they are tied to territories, well, for example, like today to organize the election process there in donetsk

regions, no way, plus the people who live there, many have moved, we need to work on going... to the electoral process based on closed lists, if we are talking about elections, because to return to this system, it is necessary to return people , to return them to the territories where they lived, lived, plus we have a big issue with those who went abroad, and at the rate that the government is doing today, they are trying to cut them off as much as possible so that they never return to ukraine, i don't know, but to the question, why do they do it, to me there is no answer, because it was... the extreme electorate and the extreme people who supported the government, they were ready to vote for them, because they watched the only marathon where every day they told how good the government was, they did not see that level of corruption there , which is happening here, they did not see other things from abroad, still they thought that the government there is good, after they

are outlawed, i will repeat once again, i do not want to block anyone now, to get out under attack, because they tell me there... you are helping or supporting the uhiliants, no i am against those there who run, run across the border, swim across the yew, this is a bad story, this is a violation of the law, but let's talk about those who left there 10 years ago, those who paid to the budget, those who have an enterprise here, live there, those who left after the start of the full-scale invasion were released by the state, released by the government, those to whom this government, well, let's call things by their names, sold white flowers, gave the opportunity... to travel along the road and many other things, well, you didn't give such an opportunity, no i, yes, it was someone who issued such a document, and it is a vertical of power, not mine, not yours, not other journalists, or those who are watching us today, so, first of all, then let's understand the question of who allowed it, and then, as they say, present to those who have gone abroad, so what is happening

today is the maximum cutting off of people from returning to ukraine, well... you see, you can introduce any norms, any laws, but you must understand that if you say you are 17 years old, you must, your the child has to come to ukraine, be registered and after that we won't let him out, then mostly with a 99% probability it won't happen, you, if you believe that, you're either a fool or you're doing it on purpose so that people just say, yes no, thank you, we will never go there again, now we will find some kind of citizenship of another state, we will live there. or they receive, as germany and other european countries already provide, a residence permit, because it is not a residence permit, and they will continue to be on the territory of these states, plus already now there are processes for forgiveness of acquiring the citizenship of other european union countries, and well, we should

understand it, see it, and instead of creating conditions for people to return. if not now, then after the end of the war, in order to restore the state, they returned with their fortunes, with their knowledge, with their families, because we will have a catastrophic demographic crisis, we already have one, we will have a catastrophic history with people, who are ready to work in the country and work for the country, because people to then involve the public sector, the recovery sector, this... it will be necessary to make such a frantic effort that today it is even difficult for me to assess it, you may know, once a blogger, i heard, he said that we can win the war, but to lose the state, and every day i remember his words more and more, you know, i will ask you one question that maybe someone already asked you during the war, but you

were removed from your post on the eve of the war, it was in october 21 year the power of the symbolists also gave you a gift, in principle, see if it was if the verkhovna rada would be different under your presidency during the war than the one we see under ruslana stefanchuk, i think it would be, but not for long, because even when i was the head of the verkhovna rada, i tried not to do stupid things, i... i try all my life not to do such things, and recently a colleague from the parliament came up to me there and said: god, why are we voting for such, such garbage, we are forced to vote inside the walls of the verkhovna rada? i say that you know, and i had to put it on, you don't even understand how much effort it takes to get this garbage into the walls the verkhovna rada did not get into it, and you did not vote for it, but to be honest, many of

my colleagues who ask this have mentioned mobilization, it is now quite an active and lively topic in ukrainian society, tsc, reservation, then now topics about that the term should be extended. data, because they don't have time in 60 days, we need 150 days, we said this on the eve of the adoption of the law, that this is not possible, that is, very, very many such things arise that, well, one could, in principle , predict and say that, well, it could be , or, for example, the issue of reservations, where some very strange gambling companies arise, or where they book their employees, and now those who go to book immediately receive summonses, that is... well, it still turns out that what was so prepared for this updated mobilization system, that it doesn't work as we wanted, no, it doesn't work at all the way

it should work, and yes, well, in principle , you can get the opposite effect and we 'll get this is the opposite effect, we see that many people are trying to find a way to solve it anyway, we see that in the poltava region there are 30% of the tsk, which are unsuitable people who... according to the vlk precisely in the poltava region, it is obvious that they went there because it is difficult to solve the problem here, that is, the system is still not have you changed these tsk and vlk still decide, still try to do something, still this system works, can we say that this system was created so that this system will continue to live, well, that is, these are all the changes, they well, directed to the fact that a person who is not she has time, she would start to fuck someone. you are there, she is standing in line at the tsc, she can’t enter, someone has to be given to the lc, she can’t pass on time from the limited suitable to the suitable to pass, and this system still goes, goes and it continues

to work, well, look, i must have had it is beneficial to say that they adopted this law so that she would continue to work, no, i don't really believe that, i believe that they themselves did not understand what they were voting for and what they were accepting, because when, for example, quietly you we started talking... about mobilization in the 22nd year, but not such a ridiculous idiotic one that was adopted now, but because, well, first of all, this is a lie, the mobilization has been going on since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, every three months we continue the presidential law on martial law and on mobilization, that is, they had all the powers and without this law, but they did everything bad they could do with this law, when in the 22nd year they were told that let's not cut off all the people who come to the ccc on their own, let's train them, let's teach them, so that we have a reserve, so that we have uh those who

will be able to rotate for those units that are already at the front, we don’t need it, we have calculated everything, we have people, we don’t need anything, i say, well, you don’t know how long the war will go on, let’s do more approach systematically, and they lived in the regime for two or three weeks. and this story, it is like a contagion, like a disease has spread through society, why? because when they tell you that, sergei, don't worry, we'll be at the border for two or three weeks, we'll be near moscow for another two or three weeks, and there for two or three weeks, well, a maximum of four, and the urals are ours, and you're sitting in kyiv and think: "you so i'm there for two months, and the war is over, first of all, i won't have money, first of all, i'll live the way i lived." and... thirdly, this is how they manage without me, why should i go there to serve , why should i prepare, why should i do something else, i will live peacefully for myself,

then the following happened, these stories from tsk that we see every day, this is one side of the coin, the other side of the coin is that people do not want to fight, yes, we see many people who don't want to, why, because they don't understand how it will happen when...... we proposed a system, including rotations, you, part of the time, well, like, for example, it is with the border guards, they have three months, and there for the armed forces we proposed, for example, 6 months, six months, you are on the ppdd, you can visit home, you can stay with your relatives, for six months, you stand at the northern border, or, for example, if we take, you who are mobilized, there for three months you prepare in the west. for three months you stand beside those who know how to fight on the northern border, and there are no such hot battles as to the east, then you come to the brigades,

moreover. i believe that the staffing should have been no more than 50%, that is, 50% of those who already have combat experience, and 50%, at most, better 1/3 of those who only joined the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine in order to tell you you were taught, you were sometimes brought to your senses, because you know, when they say that one of the most terrible things is the first battle, so that someone can take, sorry for the ear, and sometimes with a kind word to explain what needs to be done and thus save your life, no, no one did the system was not built, then it was brought to a situation that absolutely discredits today, and i am very ashamed of what is happening, which discredits the military, because let's remember, the 22nd year, when a person was seen on the street, and soldiers and officers talk about it , children ran, toys were given, candy was given, flowers were carried, and a person in a uniform commanded only respect, nothing

different, and today... when the boys say, we come here and there, or on a business trip, or sometimes on some small vacation , we don't wear uniforms, because we are people they see us, they move to the other side of the road, it's a shame, what has already been proven, it's a shame, but today you can restore trust in the authorities and the mobilization process only through recruiting, but they won't be able to do it in two months. it will already be a long process, because if you have spoiled relations, spoiled trust, you will not quickly get them back, and trust in the authorities, including stories with the fact that someone will redeem me, someone has already left abroad, someone sees what is happening with those who are mobilized and got to the front, such there were also examples when a person was mobilized today, he was already at the front a week later, and died there,

there are also such examples, i understand that this is also good... the enemies and the russian police use the russian language, but we ourselves give these specific examples , we, i mean as a state, we as a system of management, authorities, authorities that should be responsible for this, and we have what we have, so this bill is bad from all sides, because it does not solve any of the issues raised , it does not allow demobilization, even it does not stimulate and demotivates not only those who is fighting, and so are you, who joined the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, because they say: how long will i go there? per year, per month, per 10 years, how much? those who fight at the front, i always quote one guy, he said: we came as a volunteer, we became slaves, i don't know when i will return home, after this law was passed, the guys used to joke, we during our they were joking on a business trip to the front, one of the boys said: in order to get home, i need my leg to be torn off at the knee, i say, well, what are you doing anyway

are you saying that? these are terrible words, but they are joking, he says: well, there are no other options, and it is true, there is no rotation, they have not established mechanisms for recruiting people who would come to defend the homeland, in theory you can recruit people even by the methods that today is conducted by the tsk, but what will it do, the military at the front say, you will not recruit people for the armed forces of ukraine exclusively with a whip, they will not. to fight, and seeing all that is happening there today with the shopping center, with the mobilization process, it also negatively affects the entire state, is it possible to fix something, but if very briefly, quickly no, this is a systematic work that must be undertaken, written down in the plans, put in charge.