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format, even more analytics, even more important topics, even more top guests, foreign experts, inclusion from abroad, about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and also feedback, you can express your opinion at any time of the day with the help of a telephone survey, turn on and turn on, the verdict with serhii rudenko, every weekday from 8 to 10 pm on espresso. anna shelest, joins our broadcast, candidate of political sciences, director of the security program of the council on foreign policy ukrainian prism and editor-in-chief of ua ukrain analitica. ms. hanna, welcome to our airwaves. good day. well, last year we were very hopeful after vilnius that we would hear that year, welcome, come in, please, and now a little over a month before the summit in washington, we're... hearing something about bridges, about

some transition periods, some alternative, it is already final, well, i would say that 95%, which unfortunately is final, but for experts it was very predictable, because just then everyone in july they said that the vilnius summit is a great hope for us, it is the moment when we can maximally change the wording regarding our membership, unfortunately... we analyzed this with you last year, why this it did not happen, and a lot depended on ukrainian communication, and on the position of the white house with germany at that time, but what happened happened: the final declaration of vilnius was not what ukraine expected, although we got enough big and serious changes there, which are important for ukraine. and so on at that moment, everyone said that, unfortunately, ukraine could do a lot during the next year in terms of practical cooperation with nato, and ukraine used them to the maximum. as well as our

nato partners, but we should not expect big changes during the washington summit, because it is a summit before the elections in the united states of america, accordingly we can only expect a more restrained position of washington, which we are observing in principle at the moment . mrs. hanna, how many objective military factors are there in this situation, how many are subjective, well, for example, joe's loudly and correctly asked question, why aren't we in nato, or other objections, for example, on the eve of the geneva summit, where the biggest ally, joe biden, and the enemy, the ally diplomats grabbed putin, that is, shidzenpin, by the head when they heard these statements, but this somehow influenced the fact that we have the washington summit in washington. the prospects are close to zero, no, i would

not associate geneva with washington, in this case they are two completely different processes, and the changes that we are observing regarding geneva, they are rather related to the effort to involve the so-called global south as much as possible, because for many of them the serious formulations that ukraine insisted on are red lines, and for us the number was very seriously important . in principle, geneva can rather be compared with resolutions within the framework. of the un general assembly, when we need to attract the maximum during the voting and because of this, we are sometimes more careful, if possible, no, mr. hanna, this one, we will shout over this russian ipso, which barks behind your back, but at the same time i still want to return, there is some fault that we communicated incorrectly, that we did not have official diplomatic contacts with nato for a long time, this somehow affected, should i not sprinkle it here. head

green ash? let's face it, we had contacts, they were very serious both at the diplomatic and military levels, so i wouldn't raise the question of contacts here under any circumstances. and those responsible for nato issues, from our mission in brussels to the relevant offices, take this very seriously were engaged in, and that is why we are now seeing jaytek and many others, and the change in the position of the secretary general, and statements by the nate that they can now take responsibility instead of the united states within the framework of the ramstein group, which is very serious, because at one time ramstein just appeared, because the usa did not want nato to be involved more seriously in the issues of ukraine, but what concerns communication. and here it was rather the problem of last year, it was the problem of vilnius, and this year ukraine is more clear with communications, which definitely influenced, influenced the first is the decisiveness of the white house administration during the election campaign, where they understand that they simultaneously needed very different opinions on this, the second is that

germany is not ready, and here the usa and germany shift the responsibility to each other, and the third is that unfortunately, the situation on the battlefield in ukraine, because there were also for nato. some of our victories are needed for individual countries, the fact that the counteroffensive did not take place last year, as they expected, played such a psychological role, if you can say so. another question is what ideas came from them during the course this year, let's move ukraine on the path to nato, the part that the government controls at the moment, but here ukraine is already speaking, at the moment, against it , saying that such a german so-called option during the cold war was possible before 2000. in the 22nd year, where the front line was more or less defined, that is, the guarantees could be understood to which points of the city it was spreading, now, of course, when the front is so active and constantly moving, these are actually such limited guarantees, they will reach additional , let's say

yes, only the russian federation benefits, not ukraine. ugh, what is the maximum we can negotiate last year, actually until the last hours of this negotiation. there are long ones, in fact, maybe not about trade, not about bargaining, but about negotiating, we can now, but first of all, very active work is currently underway, regarding the creation of this joint center in poland, regarding analysis and training, this will be a big step forward, and right now its format is being discussed, and it will be determined in washington what, why and how, because it can become a new unique body interaction, the second, we can get the first assessments regarding the new a... this was a big step for us in the freedom of changing this rnp, what will happen now, how did they assess whether we really went further in our reforms on the path of nato. the third is a new aid package, which we expect, and we will see here, they are already agreeing, rather among themselves, how much

money they are willing to give for this, including in what format, and fourth, ideally, this is a possible decision that the nato countries will begin to use their air defense, for example, there from poland to protect. lviv or from romania, to protect ishmael, this is also currently being discussed, and these may be separate decisions during the summit, and we hope that there will be something more clear, and this is also now, as far as i know, in the capitals, it is being discussed very seriously between the capitals, how to replace this phrase opens the door to something more concrete, and more politically binding, if you can say so, well, as they say, problems of formulation, problems of translation, in the present... this is just such a symbolic anniversary meeting of leaders, the landing of the allies in normandy 80 years the second front, well, just perfect a reason to finally talk about the fact that the political leaders of the 20th century clearly realized and

understood that the allies of stalin and russia cannot be defeated otherwise, without opening a second front, now putin himself is the successor to the cause of stalin and hitler. it's time to talk, let's talk about the second front, not this nonsense, whether or not this type of weapon or this type of weapon can be fired further than 50 km on the territory of russia. are these leaders ready for such a discussion, and is ukraine ready to start it? i think we're ready because we've already seen this discussion, we've already seen the last two weeks statements from many leaders, even from germany, about the possibility of using their weapons, the fund will be very great, and here we are very good, that since ... the position of france has already changed, i think a lot will depend on that leadership and on that communication , which french president macron, what words will he be able to say in his speech there during this jubilee summit and draw parallels, what it was for france, what it was for europe at that moment, and what it means

now for ukraine, so i think , which is, you know, sometimes an emotional event, he can play much more than such tragic visits to the butch. who were with us in april-may of last year changed many parliamentarians of european countries, because they felt human grief, and not just the numbers that some troops came down, so i hope that there is also a reminder of what it was... how important was it for europe then in 1944, and what can it mean for ukraine today? ms. hanna, actually, when we talk about the second front, in particular, zmi writes that the russians are already ready and can start their exercises in the caribbean sea, and these will be both sea and air exercises at the same time, that is , they are signaling that they can get somewhere closer to our partners, and well, in this way, at least... tell that they are something they want, they can, and maybe they will, or from

the other side , our partners can provide the same similar symmetrical answers, they can provide nato countries by focusing closer and creating some kind of logistics in order to ensure as quickly as possible the transportation of troops and equipment and everything that is needed, well, the east of europe. absolutely true. let's not forget that nato is present on two continents, accordingly, there are forces both there and there, and logistically they are already much better prepared for any crises than the russian federation, which is only in the eastern hemisphere, in the western, if valastki were to get there , this is the maximum that they can, and with sufficiently large, well, logistical difficulties, but what is happening at the moment, the russians actually want to play on the emotions of the parallels with the caribbean crisis, they want to warm up these nuclear moods, references, because they understand this topic, which, unfortunately,

has been working very seriously on all our partners these two years. what can our partners do? there are two things that we already know will happen in the next few days: the first is naval training in the baltic sea, it is very important, because it is exactly that point, it is such a bottle, where the russian federation is closing, and for it the ports are very important, which we have in the baltic, and thus very easily, during any... naval exercises to demonstrate to the russian federation what can happen to its trade, to its ships, and if they feel a threat to them. the second is that plans are now being seriously developed, especially logistical plans, how nato troops will advance with norway, for example, with sweden, that is, with the northern, western and southern parts and move, that is, on a technical, not a political level plans are being developed for which roads, which are... they exist the so-called what we used to call the military schengen, but in this case within the framework of nato,

that is, so that they can cross the border there, and everyone else without delay quickly, to calculate the time, how much is needed, what difference can be used, what is the alternative route, that is, these plans, as far as we know , right now this month are being seriously developed, it is important both for self-defense and in order to better work out the delivery routes of all this to ukraine. ms. hanna, we have one more minute, if the russians are playing caribbean crisis version 2:0, is it possible to play too, as they say, opec blocks completely, well, you remember how it was with oil and the soviet union after afghanistan, and this scenario, as far as we are prepared for it not theoretically, but practically, unfortunately, not for this no one is ready for the script, neither the 78th nor the 73rd. it is impossible to repeat the 80s today, the main reason is that both saudi arabia and other oil and gas-producing

countries are not ready to limit it, because it is currently a question of their profit, and it is very important, that is, it is their national interests and not even about the question pro-russian position. mrs. hanna, thank you for the analysis of the current situation, hanna shelest, candidate of political science, director of the ukrainian council's security and foreign policy programs. the prism was with us, by the way, we also need to talk about this dimension, because it was quite interesting and unexpected, the statements of president orban even, ours did not have time to arrive, it is not yet clear with biden that we had time to negotiate, but the statements that he made the president of france, respectively, macron in the direction of putin's statements, this is more than we expected, that is, in fact, to threats in... invasion of western countries, so far only the president of france has given a clear answer

that there will be a tough, as they say, retaliatory strike, and we will talk about it now, by the way, how far words are from reality, but as of yesterday, we we learned that there is confirmation, you are discussing there, military instructors on the territory of ukraine or on the territory, and they are already there, the french say, they have been preparing and training her for a long time... our defenders and the armed forces of ukraine, this is how it all looks , but more about what is happening on all fields, norman and elysee fields in france, we will ask a consultant. political analyst from france denys kolesnyk. he is in touch with our studio. mr. denis, we congratulate you. good day. they didn't invite russia to the events, although there were reports just a month and a half ago that, well, putin was not invited, but a delegation from moscow would definitely be invited. a good sign. well, look, here it is worth

noting that even literally 10 days ago, theoretically... the russian party was still invited and it had to be, not putin, of course, but someone from the embassy is not possible, but in connection with the recent attacks of the russian federation towards france, both from the side of putin and from the side of the representative of the russian embassy here in paris on french tv channels, for example, it was literally yesterday or the day before yesterday there was a broadcast where he threatened france because france would send instructors to ukraine, so this is... a normal, normal situation when, after such attacks on france , they still decided not to invite the russian delegation in general, is it good, well, how to say, on the one hand, if you look at it, russian soldiers did take part in the second world war, as well as ukrainian ones, you mean on hitler’s side for two years, yes, but then they changed their mind, no, no, i mean they participated from 41

to 45, that's historical, like from how in... from 39 to 41, of course, the soviet union was an ally of hitler's germany, that also a historical fact. yes, by the way, about these facts, you have already mentioned that you are enough clearly communicated the threats from putin that he made. and in general , let's say now, and the media, and television, and the political political forces in france, to what extent they monitor all these things that happen in the morning until... the night of threats against france, this is not only carried out by putin, it is regular and every day, and in this case, all this military rhetoric, let's destroy the nuclear ash, in a second they will ascend to the sky, all this is carried out, including by official officials and politicians in russia, it is somehow discussed in france, it is somehow reacted at the lower level

level than the presidential palace, let's say this, we need to separate the information noise, this is when, for example, in the russian media , some different nightingales are saying something to themselves, they can say anything, they are not official representatives of the russian government, and their the word is, in principle, let's say, has zero weight, when there are usually threats from a representative of the russian federation embassy or from putin, this is a completely different thing, and france as a state responds to this, in relation to society, it also depends if watch. for example, networks, then of course some negative attacks towards france, they cause, also a negative, let's say, attitude towards the russian federation, but i wouldn't say that this issue is blown up very much, because it is being discussed, i mean , because it is actually more fueled by some bot farms, so trawls on social networks in the same twitter, where

the struggle is going on, in fact those who support russia and those who do not, it is difficult to point out, let's say, it is difficult... to determine the authenticity of this discussions among the real of users of these social networks, and in general, how do you feel, according to your feeling , the eyes of muscophiles in france have increased, decreased, circles named after pushkin tolstoyevsky are still running with their discussion, ay-ay-ay, big theater, it’s all putin’s fault, it has decreased, increased this complex of napoleon, the feeling is very sub'. interesting thing, so i don’t want to talk about my feelings, i can say that according to personal observations, of course, let’s say this, the vision of russia as an adequate country, it has decreased many times, but it is also not worth to forget that those people who, let's say, just aren't comilfo now, let's say this, have the same position that they had,

for example, we can talk about the national assembly, so about the lupin party, where bardela, jordan bardela is the president and they changed their rhetoric after the large-scale invasion of russia in ukraine, and they now say that russia attacked ukraine illegally and so on, but on the other hand, we clearly understand that their position towards russia has not changed much. mr. denis, actually on the eve of the g7 summit, on the eve of the meeting of the peace summit in switzerland, we still have such an opportunity in france to meet with... the first persons of the world and with very important people, where we can still finish work, so that in literally a week in switzerland we can get the maximum, because what ... happened from the ukrainian peace plan, it looks very, very sad, well, you saw that information yourself, i don't have more information, i think, than you do, about

the swiss peace summit, we also saw the reaction of president biden, about ukrainian aspirations to join nato , and where it was clear basically it is said that nato is not, and it looks very sad for ukraine, yes, because... the only guarantee of security as of today, it is, it is nato, you may like it, you may not like it. the problem is that it is also a question of, let's say, the strategy of the ukrainian government, which it chose, instead of moving towards nato and still knocking on that door, breaking through that door, they started talking about some, running, signing , sorry, various agreements that were presented in the media as some kind of security agreements, although in fact they are there is not, it is basically an agreement where each country, let's say. he just officially confirms that he will provide ukraine with some money by such and such a year, for example, for the development of this, that, that, promises to support the ukrainian security sector there, and so on,

so here is also a question for ukraine, in my opinion, but we remember that in 2008 it was france, which was actually one of the main countries, it was france and germany, yes, that blocked ukraine's entry into nato, but now it has changed, paris, on the contrary, now supports ukraine's entry into nato, and now america and germany speaks out, and you, you will read biden's words so unambiguously... either to us, and former ambassadors to the usa, and other diplomats said that there may be a vagueness in the formulation of the opinion and that it was, as they say, poorly expressed, or misunderstood, as the americans say, i read his article in english, so i didn’t read it in translation, of course, so i can’t see, this is an unambiguous option, or is it still such a wording, as they say, in retrospect, we were against it for ukraine to join nato. you started the war anyway, so not now time, but they tried to repackage it, look, we can say in principle, because there will be elections in america and, let's say,

it is not known who will win, maybe a completely different candidate will win than someone thinks, the issue of nato is also an issue , this, you understand, is that the world is moving so fast now that everything can change literally from the change of this or that political leader, or even from the events in russia, in my opinion, america in general... she and the western world in general has been trying to see since the beginning of the war the russian-ukrainian war is, let's say, such a local conflict and strategies are applied to it, which, let's say, are applied to small conflicts, and the story is that this conflict does not fan out, does not go beyond the borders of ukraine, you may like it, you may not like it , but it is me, look, your, your words are confirmed right online, when you talk about the speed of changes in the situation, right here we are talking with you and at this time we learn that peter sierto, well, the one who is in sochi putin drove says that no, hungary will take part in the peace summit in switzerland? yes, yes, yes, but he is

speaking from st. petersburg. yes, from that forum where putin threatens france, and the chinese foreign ministry woke up in the morning, rearranged the hieroglyphs and said that we are interested in cooperation with ukraine on all fronts. such strange things are happening right in the course of how you and i are talking, thank you, actually for. in our program, it's time to say goodbye, but we want to thank you, political analyst from france, consultant denis kolesnyk was with us, we will also monitor what will happen next in france in these few days, both in france and not only in france, because there will be many events in the future . parubiy summarizes this morning, so don't miss this information, have a peaceful, safe day, take care, don't ignore air traffic signals. worries and be sure to stay with espresso and donate, because our advocates do this biggest, most important part of the work, and we can only help with money,

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