maybe russia has lost its mind now, on may 9, they did it with some kind of fascist march, it’s very strange that such historical changes came out, and that’s why they really perceive it differently now, somehow everything has turned around, they perceive in a completely different way, well, if there was no war against ukraine and crimes... and the warrant already issued in fact by the hague court, then of course it would be different, but no matter what, then the illusions that existed then, and indeed, you have correctly remembered, i think, the seventh number, that's right there was the inauguration of president poroshenko, and before that a meeting in normandy, and there was hope, on the one hand, of the europeans, that they would somehow be able to incite. to push putin to

a realistic assessment, and on the other hand , what else has already happened there, that in fact barack obama gave this, consciously, if he gave this initiative, or essentially pushed these problems away from himself, handing them over to the europeans, and this was a mistake, and this mistake will not be repeated now by joseph biden, although he worked with him as vice president, but you compare what barack obama said. then and what says now joseph biden, because 10 years have passed, 10 years have flown by and illusions about the intentions of putin and the regime are no longer there, so maybe these years were needed for understanding, sometimes we say that at that period or at another time it would be possible to do one way or another, well, periods are made by people, and that's what i say even today, that i would like it to be like that, to be decisive. well, not ready, not ready, there are

many factors affecting it, so normandy now and normandy 10 years ago are two completely different situations, two different situations, the only thing that is repeated is that then ukraine was alone, and now it remains alone, eat, then, of course, we fought for some kind of pause, to get the production of weapons in ukraine, you know then. many programs were launched, which, including us, gave us the opportunity to advance somewhere further on neptune, on our missiles, and our boats there began to receive the same manpads, the same javelins of the americans, that is, we still used that a period that was not said to be there, but today another stage, it is at a new level, if... then

it was necessary, perhaps, to immediately provide these weapons in the same amount as now, they would have stopped the war, if we had been given this amount of weapons then, of course, this would have stopped putin's intentions , because he was standing, he had 175, 180 00, now, well, according to estimates , 550,000 in ukraine, around ukraine, that is, a completely different situation, so this is another such lesson that everything must be done on... anticipation is desirable, not expecting any actions, then a reactive position, by the way, there are a lot of people now is not even discussing the amount of support for ukraine, but the dynamics, the timeliness, that you should not react to russia's actions, but you should anticipate these actions, well, zelenskyi spoke before the national assembly of france today, he said that he rejects the possibility of territorial concessions of russia until the end of the war. let's listen to what he said. president

of ukraine. can putin win this battle? no. no, because you and i have no right, no right to lose. can this war die out on the lines that exist now? no. because there are no lines for evil that exist 80 years ago or now. and if one alone... tries to draw temporal lines, it will only give a pause before another war. now it is the same as when evil unleashed its aggression against its neighbors. in the 1930s, hitler crossed line after line, and so does putin today. mr. valery, the president of ukraine says that you and i have no right to lose and... again, well, despite everything

, the thesis about how we should win this entire war is not enough, both in the current conditions and for. .. there is no participation of a country that is a nuclear country, it is not pressed either, as far as i am concerned, and there is no answer to how, how does ukraine propose to end this war, or do you understand what zelenskyi means when he says that we have no right to lose, but how to win? well, what the president of ukraine stated, in principle, is... the official position and it is a statement of two things. first of all, if there is a pause, then the war will not go anywhere, that is, it is an illusion, if there are any agreements on freezing, that is, it is an illusion, then everything will be even bigger,

it will expand more, and then it will be very difficult to avoid complete enslavement by the russians and the putin regime. and the second point is... that he calls on partners to realistically assess the situation and make efforts now, this is the official position, where the occupation of the territory and access to the borders, it has not changed, which the president of ukraine emphasizes, because a lot has been said now about the fact that on the eve of all those peace summits there they narrowed down the issues, well, here such an emphasis is clear in france that no one renounces these positions, but secondly, as i have... my own vision, it is not that that, let's say, today there is an opportunity for this to be implemented right now, but i am sure that such a war, it is outside the framework

of international law, it is considered a local, between a large country, such an asymmetric local war, but it is already regional in some manifestations it is global and in cyberspace, that is , this war is so multifaceted, and this type of war at this stage can be won by involving a coalition of countries, that is, it has already happened more than once, when there is a coalition of countries, when there is an aggressor, and this coalition accepts the complex economic sanctions measures, that is, embargoes. simultaneous political isolation and a military coalition with the involvement of powerful countries, including those that have nuclear weapons, that is, in principle it is clear, it should be a coalition of countries that protect european security, which coalition of countries that

protect european security, at least , this is nato, which includes the usa, canada, and european members. including the nuclear countries, the usa, britain, france, that is, this is the formula for victory unequivocally, that is , joining forces, that means, that means, well what they can't fathom now, but they will come to it at some stage, is actually entering the war on the side of ukraine, because putin's ultimatum was not to kyiv, it was to washington and brussels in the 21st year 15 in december, the document... it has already been destroyed in parts, well, firstly , by the lack of an answer to it, if there was such a capitulation, and secondly, sweden and finland are already members of nato, there still remains to accept

ukraine and this whole story can be closed, so i i think that it will not be otherwise, that is, there are two ways, in this war there are only two ways, well war is meant. in a confrontation that is difficult to determine in the period how long it will be, but this is one, it is the capitulation of ukraine, and the second is the defeat of russia, through the actions of a joint coalition of countries led by the united states, the same france, germany and britain, that's all , when we come to it, this is an important question, everything rests on the fact that i do not doubt the victory, i do not doubt, i just. the big problem is the resources of the country, of ukraine, it’s not from, well, you can’t restore people’s lives, and professional soldiers, and those who are motivated and know how to fight, that’s you can't go back, that's why the logic that our partners have, that we will

continue until exhaustion now, and i can already see it for next year, is wrong. i believe that they need to understand the situation better and concentrate their efforts. eh, and bold actions can absolutely lead to a result, and this must be done, how to convince them of this, well, you see, when they were afraid that it could ... come again to their territory, the supplies of weapons for us went, as soon as they see that war can come to their home, some steps are being taken, that's why we don't have any choice, we cannot create conditions under which we allow an invader to pass through our territory so that he strikes somewhere else , which could be, by the way, unfortunately, he is near us, so we have to convince, we have to show these scenarios, and for me they are obvious, it is obvious that... nato will face russia, they somehow think that they will avoid it, the secretary general declares, there is no

direct threat, why there is no direct threat to russia to nato, because ukraine diverts all these forces to itself, just as the commander of the norwegian army says, we have two or three years ago that in fact all those who stood next to us, about this land component, all of them here were disaffected to ukraine. these, that is, russia removed everything from all points, well, excuse me, yes, if so, now it turns out that ukraine provides, and the guarantor of the security of the nato countries, where we came, and these bravura statements at that time, well, excuse me, again , weapons- well, weapons are wonderful, and without them there is nowhere, and your help is important, but that's not how they win, that's why there will be nato troops here, sooner or later in this war. and america will be, well, maybe i don't know which countries, but the europeans will definitely be, only our neighbors

will definitely be, because if poland, romania, slovakia, the baltic countries, if they delay, then war will come to their territory, that will be all, only it must be faster, otherwise the exhaustion of ukraine, well that not in the interests of us ukrainians, let 's be honest, that's why i want us to share this responsibility for the future of europe, and not... personally pull this strap against such a strong, in principle, large country with nuclear potential. mr. valery, literally on in the last two weeks, ukraine received permission to use western weapons for strikes on the territory of russia, biden confirmed that the americans give permission to strike with missiles 200 miles, well, 300 km deep into russia. he says that we did not give permission for strikes on moscow, on the kremlin,

probably not yet, but macron has already said that france will hand over mirage 2000 fighter jets to ukraine and conduct appropriate training for ukrainian pilots in within the framework of new military cooperation with kyiv for countering the russian invasion, let's listen to what the french president said. tomorrow we will launch a new program of cooperation and announce the delivery of the mirage series of 2,000 french combat aircraft that will allow ukraine to defend its land and airspace . starting tomorrow, we will begin the pilot training program and deliver these aircraft by the end of the year. mr. valery, what in your opinion prompted our western partners to move to a new stage of cooperation with. give permission for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, the situation with kharkiv,

offensive in kharkiv region, or some other motives that prompted our western partners to reconsider their position? well, i think there are three main factors: the first - the one i already mentioned, is the fear that the war will come to them, that is, well, let's be honest, they began to analyze the situation, that if... ukraine is not helped in this way, that's the situation , sorry, give it all, pull with the planes, as we see again, that is, the f16, even if the planes come there or there is already something, then the pilots now the question has arisen, that is, well, the mirages declared, that everything is fine, so why only now, that is , before they said that the f-16 only, and the mirage is not needed, because it is necessary to consolidate all this and... we took this position, now it suddenly appeared, although i know that there is preparation on

other planes, the pilots were already in france, so maybe it will somehow go faster than with the f-16, further, and why was the swedish heather not then possible, which tauruses can raise, they said because the f16, that is, you know, well it 's clear to me, it's clear to me that it's all complicated, it's not clear that it's mostly not it's not part of the logistics, what's there... only 12 pilots can be trained for the f-16 by the end of the year, when i hear that, i, well , it's unpleasant for me, because, well, once again. the usa can train 12 pilots by the end of the year, what are we talking about, what kind of usa and 12 pilots, what are you talking about, who are you telling all this, it’s only a political decision and that’s all, now the french president is declaring, by the end of the year already mirages, well, that is, look at the mirages from the beginning of summer to the end of the year, and why are they still coming to us at 16 and a half years, then i have a question, that is

they need to finish all the games in this strategy. it can end badly for them, for them, not only for us, i.e., this is the first moment, the second, really there is no order on the border, when there is no possibility to strike on the territory of the enemy, and weapons are accumulated there and strikes are carried out from there, then of course according to international law it is allowed if we have such political decisions, we know publicly that they were, even we said that with the americans. we negotiate, that is, how we use ourselves, not only with americans, with all countries, it's true, this is a very weak position, very weak, and i mean in agreements, for example, security ones, i would in no way prescribe all the obligations of ukraine not to strike russia with these weapons, as it is , for example, in the agreement with belgium, on the one hand

, they give f16, on the other hand, it is not possible on the territory of russia, but how, in what way, with missiles , those planes are shot down that... give guided bombs to kharkiv, which? why should he hang over the border and what should he do next? well, well, for a non-military specialist it is absolutely obvious that it's delusional. who will calculate which f-16 is flying there, belgian, danish or dutch. in other words, what we are talking about is that we are so tired of all the maneuvers. i'm tired of these conversations, because often it's, well , bluff, it's often... if it was in terms of supplies and we don't know everything, then great, great, but let's see what's being done on every website of the ministry of defense, the pentagon the usa, france, germany, they publish every time how many weapons they have provided, i understand that they do not publish everything, but basically they publish it all, what the hell wow, do you remember this during the second world war,

when hitler fought for the allies to show the germans how much they leased there, that is... numbers, where, in what terms? well, frankly, i'm very concerned about it, because on the one hand, this is a report to the taxpayers, i understand, but no taxpayers, let me remind you, pushed for all these lists to be on the websites of the ministry of defense, it's kind of a strange story, they, when they saw that such blows were inflicted uncontrollably and hit civilians people, in kharkov, there is the sumy region, of course they were forced under pressure to do it, now i would say that now is the good side, well, they are considering there that you can’t hit the kremlin, moscow, but 320 km the depth of russian territory around the entire border, because i did not see any objection anywhere, around the entire border with russia, this zone will become a buffer zone in the future,

because it is impossible to get closer, of course it would be good at the distance of iskander there. strategic bombers, i would, of course, drive over the urals if possible, but that's it came out, but at 320, 400, so that the iskanders would be there somewhere on the edge, yes, this is in the future, in the future, i am not saying now, but in the future you will see, this will be a very important element, because then ukraine, creating on the territory of russia , well, not us, but the allies, when there will already be victory, creating already this buffer zone in the agreements. there will be some guarantee that they from russia will not repeat these strikes on kharkov, on sumy, on other border cities, on donetsk, on luhansk, that is, that is what is important for us to record now, so that from the position we do not strike at refinery, even with ukrainian weapons to a position that is possible for 320 km, i think that if

they have passed this way in a month, it is already good, and it should be removed altogether. this conversation about these prohibitions, wars will not be won like this, they will not be won if you have any agreements with the russians about further non-escalation, well, i think that the period has already come when putin and this regime have crossed all the red lines, i.e. well, if they threaten you with nuclear weapons, if they send ships to cuba, it is not known what will be carried there in these ships, that is, you understand, historical parallels. what signals is putin sending, that is, and in this, this position will show weakness, well , firstly, it will be a historical mistake, and secondly, it will lead to problems for all these countries. only ukraine. i'll remind our viewers that we're live and we're doing a poll today, we 're asking you about the lights today, are you ready

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war against the north atlantic alliance, the countries of the north atlantic alliance, at the big forum that took place in st. petersburg, the economic forum the so-called russian dictator at a meeting with foreign journalists. once again threatened western countries with nuclear weapons, let's listen to what he said and how he said it. это такое, this is such a very tough topic. the united states is the only country that used nuclear weapons during of the second world war. hiroshima, nagasaki, 20 k-tn. our tactical nuclear weapons are 70-75 kilotons. this is such a tactical nuclear weapon. let's not argue not only about use, but also about the threat of use. for some reason , the west believes that russia will never

use it. we have a nuclear doctrine. look at what it says. if someone's actions threaten our sovereignty and territorial integrity, we will consider it possible to use all the means available to us. you can't treat it lightly, superficially, you have to treat... i know what mr. valery, you don't really like to comment on putin and in general, what he says, but i will still ask, what does it mean to have a professional attitude to the topic of nuclear weapons in putin's variation, i, as a world, should discuss this with him professionally, well, what he translates, what he said, if you think that i'm not... i'm crazy enough not to give this order, then you're wrong, i'm already ripe for dragging everyone behind you, look at me, you see what a maniac i am, then i

can go further, this is what he told them, this is in his understanding is a professional assessment, because in fact, if you say professionally, what was said there, you cannot threaten, at the same time they do it all the time, they don't just threaten, there his deputy... in the security council declares that he announced the launch of a strategic nuclear weapon attack on in london, in paris, in, i don’t know, washington, he called it, and what it is, it is prohibited by all conventions, which, as professionally, professionally, if you think about it, after such a statement, you have to completely bombard it with conventional weapons everything they deliver here, they deliver, if it is professional, but the answer should be professional, he is mocking that there is no professional response from the west to his threats today, and is mocking that you see what we are like, we are russians , we can send death,

as he already said, that we don’t even need to mobilize, we have 460 thousand who came voluntarily, they want to fight, death is coming, well, lie, well, liar, well, why is it not clear that this is a person who just lies, that is, he is a professional kagibist. he creates all these himself schemes, and in these schemes he uses a weakness of perception, yes, everyone will be afraid, he named, you see, he names 70 k-tn with numbers. well , who knows, for example, whether they can do anything at all in russia, they announced these exercises, they took something somewhere, the americans responded by taking and testing tactical nuclear weapons, in a different way, without detonation, that is, they, i don’t i know the details, but the americans about it... you gave in zmi, some information, yes, sources in zmi, and what, my, well, my conclusion, which i made from communication

with... specialists in this field, regarding the use of nuclear weapons, and it is necessary to first understand and test whether they will not explode in the event of such actions somewhere on their territory, that is, it is necessary to conduct some tests, which, well, it was 1996, if i'm not mistaken, in russia, that is, this is the first, the second, there is one moment and... putin understands perfectly well, the first attempt to use a tactical nuclear charge there, whatever, there is no difference, that is, that's all, it's up to him the end of his story, because i don't think china is this situation will behave as it is now, it is clear that the usa will do it differently, he was warned about it, so he basically gives it all, he directs these words to

his own. obalvanova's propaganda of society or those who remained there, and to such right-wing, left-wing radical groups abroad, well, actually those who later write newspapers about these statements, then spread this topic a lot from these statements, you see, there already russian statements, others are not worth anything, well, in principle, if they declare eh... the spokesman of the pentagon some things are serious, then the whole world is looking at it, and the russian spokesman, they destroyed 100 heimers, 500 patriots there, that is, well, well, well, what are we talking about, and i am not, i claim , that putin is lying in this situation, because he knows very well about the agreements that he has, including washington and beijing on nuclear

weapons, and he also... knows very well that if he applies, well, you you know, there is such a story, everyone thinks that this will be the end of the earth and everything else, but there will be an end to something else, it will be the end of the fact that this will be pandora's box opened, and very quickly there will be two dozen, or even more, nuclear states in the world, that is, even in this situation, russia will be generally shut up until... very seriously, then they will simply be dismembered, starting from china and others, well, because no one will tolerate it anymore, so it somehow still affects someone, i don't know who it affects, it affected us in ukraine in the 22nd year very seriously, it affected our partners operated at the end of the 22nd year, now those experts who gave an answer in america, here i am to these statements read, well, they react to it very calmly,

because... they understand that the first ricochet will hit putin, putin personally, so the second, other words that he repeats there 10 times all the time, when such threats at first, and then he repeats, no, no, no, russia will not use, like karaganov, sergey karaganov, well, he is such an apologist for promoting the topic of nuclear and incineration strikes, and they played out the scenarios today. that he asks putin a question, and putin says, no, we will not use it these weapons, we have enough of our conventional forces to achieve the result, you understand, yes, that is, it's all a game, and god forbid, he will come to some such decision, well , i think there can also be deterrents, at least, i think that in the us they understand that, in any case, any

movement... of everyone, all the ammunition under control, any movement, if it starts, you will see, it will appear immediately, in the key intelligence agencies of the world , because then the americans will leak this information right away, and those intelligence agencies that have access, they will leak all this is immediately in the information space, because it is without a doubt, so that you do not doubt, so now it is necessary to understand that even without nuclear weapons , our people are being killed. and the number of dead in principle on the part of russia has already exceeded the number of dead in nagasaki and hiroshi, that is, you understand the scale of russia's losses in the war against ukraine. yes, mr. valery, and it is clear that two important summits for ukraine are ahead, that is...