the conditions in which they are kept, the most important thing, you know, that what we have seen, and the fact that they have access to the international committee of the red cross, which actually monitors, that yes, these are conditions corresponding to international humanitarian law, such access the russian federation did not provide, and also ukraine created a special commission to determine among these people, wounded, or also, yes, those who have chronic diseases, and such people according to the conclusion of this. the russian federation without these procedures of mutual simultaneous release. russia has not done this, and it does not allow the international red cross full access to all detention facilities, and many of these detention facilities, they are illegal, especially in the occupied territories. i absolutely agree with you here, ms. maria, please tell me at what level it is often conducted. negotiations are underway between

ukraine and russia, are there possibly any mediators, well, we know that there are some mediators, yes, is it only the state leading, or is it some private people, structures are leading in order to return both civilians and servicemen, in fact only state bodies have such information, and no one from outside can get involved , we know that sometimes there are certain stories like that: field exchange, for example, but it is all done very secretly, often no one knows about them you know, folks, very often they ask government bodies to join the negotiations, they believe that they will somehow be able to influence it, but in reality we cannot understand the logic of how exactly these exchanges are carried out and how exactly certain people get into this exchange, we are in media we often communicate with those released from captivity and we ask them, what about... what happened to your

release, did your relatives, who often talked about you there on social networks, help, did some international actions, trips, and these people, they don't know, help why were they exchanged, because they say that, for example, i am completely healthy, and the person who sat in the cell with me is already almost disabled, but he was not exchanged, but i was exchanged, and they, well , they do not understand that affects their exchange, nor can we... follow why russia does not hand over civilians, why does russia not hand over the seriously wounded, we know that there are still people there who have amputations, there are still many servicemen of the azov brigade who survived the terrorist attack in olenivka, they are still in the territory of either russia or the temporarily occupied territories , and we don't even know where they are, that's why we know that both the state and the patronage service of azov and ridny, they are fighting for their return, they are trying somehow at... at different levels to agree on

their exchange, but unfortunately, already soon it will be like the third anniversary, but no results, a can it be influenced by some such symbolic things for the occupiers, for example, they understand that this is azov, and it is some other structure there, so they hate azov with simply terrible hatred, for example, if it is another structure, then they are somehow more loyal , or maybe they have other approaches, they look at social networks there, well... why am i saying this, because you said that there is no understanding why some people can be fired and others cannot, are there any thoughts or maybe some information, but actually and these are sometimes really random lists, and because in this exchange a lot of guys from the snake were released, and they have been in captivity since the first day of the full-scale invasion, as well as the soldiers of the...

national guard who were in the emergency, we we know that they were in a very terrible state, psychologically and physically, but why is there such a gap between exchanges, for example, azov has not been exchanged since may 6, 2023, then there was the last omen with the azovians, and also a lot of representatives of 501 are in captivity battalion of marines and they... are still in captivity, the last exchange was on january 31, if i am not mistaken, then one representative of the 501st battalion was released, and even his relatives did not understand why he was released, because the 501st battalion did not they exchange, but he was released, fortunately, but there are still a lot of guys, and we know that there are already dead people from this battalion in captivity, their bodies are returned, but they are not exchanged, and despite the fact that both public organizations and the state ... and relatives at all kinds of international

meetings, and at public ones, and at the maidans of independence come out and they are shouted about everywhere, it does not affect russia in any way, just the same. there are a lot of military personnel there from the 24th brigade named after king danylo, the 56th brigade, well, that is , they are not exchanged very much either, why, well, this question is still open, we do not understand why they are not exchanged there, and in general about their the location is unknown to anyone, but here it is important to understand that there is one more point, they began to condemn military personnel, and we remember this court that they tried to arrange in mariupol, that is, they have this symbolic hatred and attitude towards particularly bright persons, one of them is maksym butkevich, a human rights activist who only in 2018 won the european court of human rights, a case against russia, respectively, as soon as he is captured by them, they simply

break their media sphere with stories, that he is a nazi, a fascist, a propagandist, and in fact, that is, for them it is special. figures, well, this is the so-called russian ideological symbolism, and they directly condemn them, that is, they also want a show in in the form of a court, they want to show that what is punishment comes to these people, and in such cases, when people have already passed the day and they fall into this system, roughly speaking, as criminals for them, no not as prisoners of war, here they fall into the general system, but... the general system of control over everything, this is the federal correctional system, and there, for example, even if it is possible, for example, correspondence, and now you do not understand whether it is better or not better , because every time the investigators tell them that the court agrees,

plead guilty, then you will be exchanged, and we see from maxim that nothing is happening, alexander, and at least someone will be exchanged after these so-called courts, or is this the worst option? we do not want to say the worst option, but so far there is not, unfortunately, there has not been such a question, which states facilitate, as mediators, for the return to ukraine, whether prisoners of war or civilians, but maybe recently, even russia itself, they said that these exchanges were supported by the united arab emirates emirates when on september 21, 2022 there was one of the largest exchanges among the azovians, then turkey directly participated, because the commanders of azov were transported to turkey, and also, perhaps someone can

remember, there was an exchange that even ukraine did not know about, it was even last year, when hungary took 11 representatives. from transcarpathia, they were servicemen of different brigades, but hungary considered them ethnic, as hungarians, although they are representatives of ukraine, citizens of ukraine. and it happened through the orthodox church, yes, and it happened through the orthodox church, and then there was a lot of outrage, because no one reported about ukraine. and we often, when we visit some foreign events, we go to the osce, we try to draw the attention of various representatives. different countries that we ourselves cannot cope with the return of these people, and we really need some country that will agree to take on this role of an intermediary, but for now we still expect that someone will agree to be this intermediary , russia must understand what if

some country, well, other countries will stand up for our prisoners of war, and these prisoners will be repatriated to that country, that is... that these people will no longer take part in an armed war, that is, they will no longer return to the battlefield, and we we guarantee this, but for russia , both our guarantees and the guarantees of some of our international partners, they are absolutely, that is , here, if i may add, that is, what does it mean that ukraine offers support in the format ukraine concludes an agreement with such a country, and this country must conclude an agreement with russia, that is, it is not simply only the desire of this country, this country should be... why arab countries very often come up here, this country should be of interest to russia, that is, the usa or switzerland, which traditionally acts as such a country between the conflict parties, russia rejected, switzerland signed an agreement with ukraine , but russia has not confirmed switzerland, because it

considers it an unfriendly country, that is, it must be a politically neutral country that is accepted by russia, not just neutral, that is, austria is a neutral country, it has such a ... it has such a status. vatican - neutral country switzerland also officially has the status of a neutral country in oona. finland and sweden were such countries in europe, now we understand that they joined nato, irla. but ireland, as well as switzerland, immediately came very brightly on the side of ukraine. that is, it should be a country with which russia is interested in relations, but at the same time we can be sure that they will be neutral, and not just on russia's side. that is why qatar, turkey, the arab emirates, all those countries that have interest on the part of russia, hungary, the same, yes, that we clearly see politically from maintains contact, and here too this moment is very important, that this is a third country,

after all, well, there was a situation with hungary that, for example, there were conditions that these soldiers do not return to ukraine, they have families, well, that is, what does it mean that they do not return to ukraine, and this, and these are such details in international humanitarian law, they are also prescribed, and in the end such a third party can be the international committee of the red cross, if he will see that all other countries have refused. the international committee of the red cross can also become such a third party, well , we have not seen such processes yet, they are neutral in all directions, we would also like to talk about certain practical things, because very often our citizens see their relatives in so-called propaganda videos, their loved ones, so what to do in such a case, if a person saw either a civilian

or ... there, relatively speaking, on a channel, in some social network, what to do, where to turn, that is , first of all, of course, the easiest is to contact the police, all this information will eventually come into contact with the national national information bureau, this is a special body that we have appeared, unfortunately, only. in 2022, or maybe in 2014, but nevertheless, this information also gets there, but like the media initiative on human rights and the center for civil liberties, we help relatives, we accompany them in all these processes, because it is worth contacting the coordination headquarters for the treatment of prisoners, it is worth contacting the international red cross, write a letter to them, because they are the ones who, after all , communicate with the russian side, the national information bureau, and open up. this is a criminal case, respectively, this is the police and the prosecutor's office, but we understand that many people

are now, have moved from their place and so on, then public organizations are ready to accompany, help, in addition, it is very, very important to actually have their community, many relatives, prisoners, both civilians and marines, azov citizens, they have already grouped together and they help each other, including if suddenly they see... a photo or video, where it may not be their relative, but a relative of someone from those with whom they communicate in this community, they, this is the best system in fact for finding open source information, these are relatives who are motivated, and therefore there is an exchange of this information, in addition, it is important to support, in fact, relatives sometimes suffer no less, than those people who are in captivity or in prisoners, because that's more. uncertainty, you don't know what state your loved one is in, and that's why it's so important to support them, and here

ukraine can do it, because these people, they are at home, they, they are ours, and that's why it's so important to do this, and, for example, at the arsenal, we presented such a project called we hold on, we hold on, this is poetry, and these are partly poetic, and the poetic numbers were based on the poems that were sent to us. from captivity, because people could already write from there, and such things, they are super important, symbolic support of relatives, so where to turn, there are a whole set of instructions, we have directly published them, but we must remember that this support from us, from the ukrainian society, must always be a relative. ms. maria, do independent searches take place, it happens that people independently try to search for their own person, their own person, or just... a person, and there is another question, professional, tell me what information cannot

be published, what information cannot be distributed , as with the so-called independent search, and i will also add that to the photo you mentioned, this is such a practical advice, usually when there are videos and photos of captivity, you won't see a civilian there, so for civilians, it's a big problem, but if your relative is a prisoner of war, a military person who... is missing and you saw him photos or videos on russian resources, then you need to contact the coordination headquarters, they have a defender's office, where you can for... download these photos and videos, the coordination headquarters will review it all, identify it, if the photo is unclear, you can contact your investigator who is conducting your criminal case, to conduct an examination of the coincidence, whether it is really this person, and then the coordination headquarters in the same office will change the status of your relative from missing to captured,

so this is just one of the searches that he does on his own. relatives, they monitor all russian resources, because, well, unfortunately, this is still one of the most effective methods of finding a relative, because we often help relatives write requests, they hire some lawyers who write requests on the territory of the russian federation or in the occupied territory, and often these requests they they simply go nowhere, because there is only one answer, there is no such person here, that is why these mails... searches for relatives are exactly what monitor these telegram channels, we also know from the experience of some groups of families with whom we help, but recently we had a press - a conference with the 57th brigade, they have a lot of experience in searching for their relatives, there are a lot of missing people, a lot of missing people in the luhansk direction in

the period from february to june 2022, and there are very few. confirmed prisoners of war, and relatives tried by any means find, somehow go to these positions, they somehow contacted the people who still remained in these territories, asked them to visit these positions, so yes, relatives independently, they conduct a lot of searches, they monitor almost everything, and often we come across with the fact that relatives have more information than our state bodies have, by the way, about your article and about the 57th brigade. separately, i would like to ask you, the situation there is special, because in fact, let's put it this way, more than 100, 120 are considered missing, so approximately, approximately, it is one episode only, for one episode, yes, but for some reason, for example, the red cross only confirms 12, as far as i understand, yes, why is this

happening, that we understand realistically. the number of people is 100, 200, it can be more, for example, officially the red cross or another public organization confirms there are 12, 15, 20, it is interesting to hear your opinion, because you wrote about it, you talked about it, why is it really so, and if we talk about this particular case, there were, for example, on february 24, the 57th brigade - this is a settlement... three banks, there are many confirmed prisoners, they are still in captivity, very few of them were exchanged, if you take the period of novotoshkivka and toshkivka of the luhansk region, there were very heavy battles, there was a cauldron in toshkivka in june 2022, there is a district of high-rise buildings where our military occupied their positions, they came under heavy

artillery fire, and it is still impossible for search parties to get there. we also know that the 57th brigade was opposed by wagner and the akhmat unit at that time, and we managed to talk to one released from that period, he was not confirmed, he was received in luhansk sizo, and he did not see any of his brothers during this period, while he was in captivity, and russia, it does not confirm these people until now, respectively ... that's why they only confirmed 12, but russia reported only about 12 people, we don't know anything about the rest, it's been two years now, where are they, are they still somewhere in luhansk , or have they been transported to russia, released from captivity, when we ask if they have seen the vikoi from the 57th brigade, they say no, respectively, if they got there in captured by the lpr, there were some videos with them,

relatives found these videos, we talked with a few... freed from captivity there, but those who were captured by wagner, here the situation is completely different, because wagner does not report at all about whom, whom they take prisoner, and 57 was also in the donetsk direction of bakhmut, they have a very difficult situation there, and when wagner left bakhmut, they took the prisoners with them, and that's the end of the story, because no one knows where the prisoners were taken away , mrs. oleksandro. on completion, questions about relatives, about psychological support, it is extremely difficult when relatives realize that... someone from their family, someone from their acquaintances is in captivity, how is psychological support, contact with people, support in general for them at

any stages, relatively speaking, of the search and return of prisoners of war or civilians, well, most often this support is provided through ngos, that is, public organizations that directly find, look for... some money in order to work and psycho and psychologists, and we have to remember that this, it 's called the trauma of the second circle, that people, even in whom someone has returned from captivity, still continue to be under stress and need rehabilitation, support. let me remind you that if we have certain rehabilitation programs for prisoners of war, they are not ideal either, but they exist, for civilians they do not exist at all, and this... and this is a huge question for us, as for the state, as to the ukrainian society that we have to prepare for the fact that such people in order to to return them, or maybe we want every

citizen to be efficient, generate financial flow, raise the economy, raise the demographics, well, for this people need, people, people need to be rehabilitated, both psychologically and physiologically, we mean health care, directly restoring this health, because... we have had cases when a mother finally survived her son's captivity and went to bed with a heart attack, literally a week later, because this tension is emotional and physiological, and that is why it is so important for us to think about it and in that including to think emotionally, that is, a lot of people go on sundays to support the actual azov demonstrations, yes, after returning from captivity, and it is important not only that... not a way to put pressure on russia, yes, we know that the demonstration in kyiv is on you cannot suppress russia, but it is important, including a way of solidarity, to understand that this is a problem not

only for relatives, but that the whole society supports them, and therefore psychologically it will be a long way, but if we start it now, it will happen faster and at the same time we we must remember that it is really important to talk about this on the international stage, we do not know at what moment... putin will want new changes not with ukraine, but with some germany or france or the usa, and there the first point should be civilians prisoners, prisoners of war and of course children who are stolen, well , today we are simply not talking about this topic, and that is why it is so important for us to remember that this fight continues, and this, and this is our fight. i am sincerely grateful to you, oleksandra romantsova, human rights activist, executive director. organization center of civil liberties and maria klymyk, journalist, representative of the media initiative for human rights. thank you once again for this

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