it is necessary to show your courage, which will give birth to life, will give life to their, to their nations, because if they surrender the interests of ukraine and the enemy succeeds here, one way or another our partners will have to enter into a direct battle from the russian federation, it is only a question time, and this is not a matter of decades, it is a matter of the near future, that is why i think that the partners will probe in stages, they have given permission to use for a certain distance, then they will give a little more, and then we will be able to fully work on the territory of the russian federation. in any case , our diplomats are working hard on this, and the military explains clearly enough why it is needed. we have to deal with the causes, not the effects. thank you, thank you, mrs. yuriy. yurii fedorenko, commander of the akhiles attack drone battalion of the 92nd separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, this brigade is currently in the kharkiv direction, as we understand. he told us about the situation

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gurska meets with the head of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish sejm , the representative of the polish government for the restoration of ukraine, pawel kowal. as always, we talk about the most important things that happened this week in poland, ukraine, and europe. what is being said about ukraine in the eu, how should we perceive the statements of european politicians and how to look. our accession to the eu in the project about politics about the world with maria gurska every sunday fr 3.30pm with repeat at 10pm in collaboration with sister au. an unusual look at the news. hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresen. sharp presentation of facts and competent opinions. and in america they also say, let's have better roads, we will have even better ones. a special look at the events in ukraine, there will be some katsaps on the border of kyiv and beyond, what kind of world do you dream about. mr.

norman, can we imagine that? all this in an informational marathon with mykola veresny, saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15 at espresso. continuing, we are back, live air, saturday political club, and now we already have the next guest, this is igor eisenberg, a professor at new york university in the united states of america, good evening mr. igor, good evening to you, friends, good evening to all viewers of espresso , mr. igor. right away , i would like to ask you a question about zelenskyi’s actual visit to normandy, about

biden ’s words. little ukraine, due to the fact that, in fact, the congress... did not vote for assistance to our state for quite a long time, how do you generally assess this meeting, biden's words, will we really have support? in general, i am very positive about any meetings of the leaders of ukraine, in particular the president with western leaders and with the president of the united states, and with the president of france, and with the chancellor of germany, with any western leaders. because the west supports ukraine, and without the support of the west it will be very difficult for ukraine, it is impossible to imagine what ukraine will be like to do, so this support is important and it is important to keep in constant contact. regarding the support of the united states, i can

say for sure that if the current administration, well, it will be in the white house, at least until january of next year, if it remains there, with possible changes, usually for a second term, then the support for ukraine will be the way it is, because for joe biden this is a valuable issue, and he really will never back down from supporting ukraine. and tell me, please, how you perceive these words of biden in the interview with the magazine those who are discussed a lot here, that he believes that the war can end, there will be no occupation of ukraine by russia, but at the same time it is possible to do without natoization of ukraine, without... ukraine to nato, how is that? this is the case, mr. vitaly, when i cannot agree with president biden. and i don't know why he thinks that, well, probably his advisers, ah, paint such a picture for him, but i can't imagine how ukraine can be safe if

it is outside nato, or if it is not has security guarantees that are similar to the fifth articles of the washington treaty, because russia will threaten. in ukraine permanently, at least as long as there is a regime in power in russia, or any other regime that will pursue the same imperial policy as the putin regime, the regime, actually, the kgb, the ussr, let's be honest, there , there are simply no other people there, surrounded by putin, and it seems to me that... sooner or later president biden must understand this, because otherwise it will continue forever, if, if not a hot war, such a big one that is now, there will be constant constant tension in europe, and nato, as an alliance whose task is

to ensure that there is peace in europe, it simply will not be able to fulfill its mission, because there will be no peace in europe if it does not end. this war, moreover, if it does not end with the defeat of russia, that ukraine will be a democratic state, part of the western world. i simply cannot imagine how it is possible to be a part of the modern western world in europe, if the country is not in nato. well, we have the examples of austria and switzerland, but it's such a separate, separate conversation switzerland has been neutral for centuries, and austria has been neutral. according to the state treaty that was signed in 1955, thanks to which austria gained its sovereignty and soviet troops were withdrawn from its territory, but what is the purpose of such statements, is it some kind of political pass

for russia, china, or is it possible that some a certain pass to the voter, why right now, because before... that biden never expressed himself like that in principle and always said that, well, in principle, ukraine will be a member of nato, but after the end of the war, what do you think prompted it? president of the united states of america to make such statements right now? mr. andriy, i think that you and i will hear again that ukraine will be a member of nato during the nato washington summit in july, but again, unfortunately, we will hear what will happen, but when it will happen is unknown, at some point, what exactly prompted biden to say that, i don't think there was any particular reason, well, in the united states, the vast majority of people, it's nine out of ten, if ... against any military, military conflict between by the united states and russia, that's for sure, but

on the other hand, it's not a campaign issue , well, there's an election campaign, there's biden and trump, and other candidates, because it's going through and congress is giving speeches, it's not a campaign issue , that is, i also do not think that this is some such pass in the direction of russia. because there are other opportunities to make some kind of proposals to russia, because there are some contacts there at the level of development leaders from time to time, well, biden said so, well, probably because he thinks so during for many years, he believes that ukraine is probably not ready to be a member of nato because of one, two, or three things, maybe he is playing. role is that the united states and its main nato allies, they took care

of hungary, let's say hungary was accepted into nato, believing that hungary will be a democracy, the same as other western democracies, which hungary turned out to be, by now we know, that is, there may be various factors, but i definitely do not think that biden's position regarding support for ukraine has changed in any way. what do you think about this one? support for ukraine, how will this security agreement between ukraine and the united states, which is to be signed during the group of seven meeting in brindisi, look like? i would like it to be an international agreement that would be ratified by parliaments, unfortunately, it seems to me that this will not happen, and if this does not happen, then this agreement will happen. while the governments will agree with the fact that they have to fulfill it, but i really wanted to

the united states has at least committed to providing weapons to ukraine, so that it will be such constant support with weapons, modern weapons, more modern weapons than are currently provided, at least that, so that there are some mechanisms for immediate consultations, if, if there is a threat security of ukraine, but he... ideally, i would like it to be not just such an intergovernmental agreement, what it is, for it to be an international agreement, which would have, which would give ukraine a guarantee of security similar to the fifth article of the washington treaty on creation of nato. we won't see this, that, unfortunately, but we would really like to, if we were to do that, we seem to have a little bit of some communication problems, but... i think, mr. igor, i am you, i can hear you well, can you hear me, yes, yes, it's okay, please,

mr. igor, regarding the peace summit, the question, the united states of america will be represented by vice president kamala harris, and mr. sullivan will also come to this important summit, this is normal level , sufficient representation from the united states of america, and yet, why the president the usa decided not to come, and can it be considered that this is a lowering of the level, or is there an absolutely normal representation? i think that's absolutely fine, it's not a downgrade, it's a very high level of representation, vice president karis, she represented the united states at, say, the recent munich security conferences, and that's absolutely, absolutely fine, a very high level of representation. i think that what will happen on the eve of this summit is much more important, precisely when

the great simkino summit will take place, which is also invited president zelensky, and what is more important to take place there, just as more important meetings are taking place now, the swiss summit, in switzerland it is important that as many countries as possible express support for the ukrainian vision of what peace is, so that as few countries as possible express support in chinese. .. to the russian vision of what it is, and representation at the level of a vice president is normal, because she represents the united states, as i said at the munich, say, security conference, and at many other such meetings. .. international events, international conferences, so this, this, i think it's normal, but as you like, now president biden, we heard it during his european tour, says again that russia threatens all of europe, at least it was it was said just a few minutes ago during his meeting with french president emmanuel

macron, how many europeans hear such american warnings, mr. vitaliy, i think i hear, at least we hear from, say, some european defense ministers, that we must, we must re-prepare as far as possible of the military conflict with russia, that countries should understand that they are in a pre-war state, we already hear such statements, i think that until now it is possible that there was even no such understanding, but more european countries are beginning to understand this, and by the way , if you go back to that interview of joe biden with the magazine, where... he said that he, what he, believes that there is a possibility that ukraine will be safe, even if it is not in nato, then biden is also very said a lot that russia threatens all of europe, the security of all of europe, that if it is not stopped in ukraine, it will not stop, it will go further, there he even talked much more about this than about the fact that he believes that the security of ukraine is possible outside of nato,

and it is good that there we hear, say, from minister of defense of sweden. and even the minister of defense of germany, that it is necessary, that one must be on penance, that one must prepare for a possible military conflict, that now we hear this not only from high-ranking officials of the baltic countries and poland, but also from high-ranking officials of the countries of western europe. i would like to spend some time with you to talk about the elections in the united states of america, this is an extremely important topic for ukraine, including. of course, and firstly, what can change the course of these elections, and secondly, what are the rating indicators of both candidates, biden and trump, that is, in general, the course of the election campaign, as of now? i would say that the chances of the candidates are 50/50 is absolutely impossible,

now it is necessary to look at the polls to predict who will win. states and start doing it somewhere from the second half of july, from the end of july, when these surveys are conducted separately in their respective states will be conducted by many sociological services, and often every week or at least once every 10 days, then it will be possible to generalize something. the main themes of the campaign to date are from biden that... the american economy is more integrated than it has been, that it is growing, that jobs are being created, that far more jobs are being created every month than they are being lost, that the unemployment rate is at its lowest in more than for 50 years, well, from trump's side, this is mostly his

talk about the fact that he won the election in in the 20th year it was stolen from him, that's what... he is being pursued, organizing criminal cases against him, what is he, he will come, he will take revenge for himself and for all his supporters, and so on and so forth, trump has a lot of supporters, at least several tens of millions of people who will not back down from him, and this is absolutely obvious, but what can be, what can be... the factor in the elections is not the participation in the elections of certain certain categories of voters , for example, if the war in the middle east continues, and continues as it is now, when israel fails to achieve a decisive military success and the war continues, it may mean that some left-leaning

democratic voters may simply not show up to the polls in protest, which biden supports. israel that it is not doing enough to end the war. trump also has the danger that some republican voters may not turn out, the republicans who don't support him, who supported nikki haley, let's say, classical republicans, those are the minority. in the republican parties, but it is also in both parties, these are 10 to 15% of dissident voters, so to speak, them. not participating in the election can help the opposite party, the candidate from the opposite party to win, that is, it can be very important two very important. nicks in the election, regarding the russian-ukrainian war, i don't see it being a topic of the election campaign today, after the congress passed

the aid law, the debate on this topic, it somehow stopped, these far-right the republicans, somehow they stopped, they used to say very often, well, roughly what we hear from trump, that it is necessary, it is necessary there, it is necessary to hold negotiations, it is necessary to... stop helping ukraine so that it agrees to negotiations and so on, now we don't hear that because the topic has disappeared, although going back to your first question about the meetings in paris, they were very widely covered in the american media, so ukraine has again become, well, if it's in the spotlight, then at least seriously , what is important, because it is important that western society doesn't... it's not enough that something, something, that everything is over, or that everything is fine there, people just forget about what is being done, and the fact that ukraine

has been on the front pages of newspapers again for the last few days, and in the headlines of tv channel news, this is important. and tell me, have you heard from putin that he says that he doesn't care whether it's biden or trump, he said that the other day, do you believe him? of course, i don't believe it, because he, he would, i think, believe very sincerely that trump would be a useful person for him in office the president, well, simply, because it will be easier for him to do everything he does, as for him, as it was easier for him when trump was the president last time, you see, you and i know very well who putin is, putin the kgbniks, who is he, who was the kgb, let's say, when he started working there, he... used to be snitches, as, as they were called in the soviet union, that is, he, i think that the tick, which he is well versed in, is that

the psychology of the people he needs to, well, recruit, that is, how to talk to trump, he understands well, he, he understands well psychological portrait of him, and he well understands that he needs to be told in order to get from him what, what putin needs, biden about... simply does not talk to him and will not talk, well, that is why putin, putin has nothing to offer biden for today. thank you, mr. igor, igor eisenburg, professor at new york university. and now our interlocutor is a political commentator from france, denis kolesnyk, and we will talk with him directly about all these, i would say, stories that are currently accompanying the european tour and american, ukrainian and other presidents. congratulations, mr. denis. good day. good. day, so let's talk about normandy and ukraine, in your opinion, to what extent do you think parallels can be drawn in france itself between the allies who landed now 80 years

ago in normandy, now it is celebrated as an important anniversary and what is happening around ukraine? well, the question is very difficult, it is meant to draw parallels where, there are different parties, there are different, let's say, we can talk about the general society, we can talk about the political on... we can talk about different parties, who exactly, what exactly, what exactly are the parallels, president biden draws these parallels, mitch mcconnell draws these parallels, he said that normandy happened because american politicians in the 30s were isolationists, and as a result , american soldiers europe had to be liberated because they reacted to the danger in an untimely manner, there is a lot of talk now about why the leading politicians, okay, listen, if you look at america in this way, it still remains, in fact, isolationist in some way. in relation to the of ukraine, it does not support ukraine in the full sense of the word, maybe you do not share this opinion, but what if we are

still talking about the results of this, actually, of zelenskyi’s visit, the visit of ukrainian representatives to normandy, to france, etc. in general, you would appreciate the positives, whether there are certain negative aspects. what results, relatively speaking, has ukraine achieved or received, according to these meetings, and what can we expect next? well, well, look, if in principle you want to talk about normandy, about parallels, you can one thing to say is that, in any case, russia is more and more seen as a threat to the west, and even if you go to biden's speech, he didn't... talk about comparing russia to nazi germany, but still, russia is a threat, and this threat has already begun to be perceived very strongly in france, it is also perceived in germany, the further

east we go. to the russian federation, the more it is perceived as a general threat to the european union and to the western order as such in general, so of course help in ukraine, it is in the interests of, in fact, any western country, if you look at it from this angle. if we talk about ukraine, there were a number of announcements, there was even one announcement that was not so unexpected, it is the sending of mirages to ukraine, 2003, very interesting. which, by the way, correlates with those messages that came from ukraine that there are not enough pilots for the f-16, which, which, who are currently being trained by the west, for example, i know that america did not want to increase the training quota of ukrainian pilots , referring to the fact that there are other countries, yes, who also have to train their pilots, which in my opinion is a little strange as an answer, but less than, less than that,

the russian delegation was not invited at all, although even 10 days ago, it seems there at the end of 28 in may , a russian delegation was also invited, not putin, of course, who is wanted, but a russian delegation was invited, and then certain changes took place, there were attacks from the russian federation, quite powerful threats, threats towards france, there were declarations from the russian embassy , such a misya makagonov, who appeared live on the bfm channel, he also threatened the french republic, and just then it changed, and they decided not to invite russia at all, in my opinion, this is positive, although it is also worth noting that russian soldiers still fought against evska germany together with others, we can also speak positively about 650, it seems, millions of euros that will go to

help ukraine. france and ukraine have signed two agreements, 400 million will go to aid and development, the afd fund is a french development agency that will implement certain projects in ukraine, and 250 million will go to support infrastructure projects directly in ukraine and to support the energy system, and you heard about the idea that there should be a tripartite summit of the presidents of the usa, france, and ukraine, but it never happened... took place, by the way, no, it did not take place, at all, this, this is a very interesting question, actually, and although president zelensky, as far as i know, he met with during makhachovich, so he met, he had a meeting, had the opportunity to talk with various leaders, including biden, but as far as i know, uh, it's, how do you say, i think there's a certain thing that needs to be talked about, it's, uh,

the summit of... peace, and there's a rift here, in my the opinion that happened is america, which clearly states that ukraine should not be included in nato, or whether ukraine can be given, let's say, some other guarantees, it is not clear what, although to this day nato is the only organization that provides real guarantees, although, by the way, which has never been tested, if you look at it from the other side, when it comes to the threat of a nuclear country, such as the russian federation, but less less less but none. nato was not attacked by the russian federation, and the position of biden on the one hand, and also the elections in the united states of america on the other hand, may be making some adjustments and may still not have agreed on some certain, let's say, things, the three presidents, moreover, everyone expected in france, speaking for france, the announcement of the expulsion.

military to train the ukrainian military on the territory of ukraine, but this did not happen, and there was a declaration that it is necessary to create a coalition, by the way, i said about this the other day that france is most likely, and it was typical of france, not to go alone, but to assemble at least a small coalition of two or three countries, possibly franco-german-polish coalition within the framework of the same weimar tripartite and then send instructors together. for the training of ukrainian troops in ukraine, all the more so since france has declared its desire and readiness to create, train and equip a brigade of 400.5 ukrainian soldiers, so you can call a french brigade, so on territory of ukraine. do you think the germans are ready to come here together with the french as instructors? and i think not very much, and i think it depends not on the will of federal chancellor scholz, i think it depends more

on that. how decisions are made are the same