can postpone, negotiate, well, we have already seen how it works with sweden and finland, but turkey is a country much more influential than hungary, and president recep tayyip erdogan can be said to have squeezed out of this the acceptance of finland, sweden into nato, everything, that he could, and he conducted negotiations, and signed defense agreements, and the legislation required them to be changed, but no one doubted, really, no one? had no doubt that he would still make concessions, that it was just a cycle, no one in the united states, in sweden, finland, had any doubt that these countries will become members of nato, no matter what he does, that it just has to be such a political process that should actually convince his compatriots that he is a strong, independent, inviolable, international player, but he knows very well that he leads a country that joins nato, he will not... take

risks, there is no question of orbán at all. orbán will block meetings of the cabinet of ministers, nato and ukraine, demand new concessions and so on and so forth. but there always comes a moment when he has to give in. we saw that the hungarians were very unhappy that they became the last country to vote for sweden in nato, that they hoped the turks would at least announce their intentions, but they didn't even notice them. with all the friendship between erdoğan and orbán, well, here you are, also a very good illustration, so everything will depend on the position first of all of the united states, and other nuclear powers, great britain, great britain and france, germany plays a big role, but it will listen to the american position , and now listens, they are against together, yes that there are certain points to be aware of, again, but i think the connection. states, as long as the war continues,

they will not demand such a consensus, because they do not really understand why they need such a consensus, if they talk about the risk, the real risk of a nuclear attack, that's all, so they are not very motivated to ensure this consensus . another topic that is extremely intertwined with what we have been talking about is the global peace summit that will take place next... weeks, i.e. literally a few days, a week remains before it begins, and here in the european truth, colleagues publish an article and say that ukraine may have made certain concessions in vain, actually in the formula or in the adjustment of the formula, the ukrainian peace formula, and left only three points, and actually when there are points for discussion, three points for discussion, yes, that is, out of ten.

there are three left, in fact, according to colleagues, this was done in order to attract a larger number of states so that they could join the states of the middle east and the far east in order to attract, relatively speaking, the countries of the global south, and there are certain caveats here as well, which are that ukraine can thus give a pass, give an opportunity to other players. who offer their peace formulas, in particular to the same china, to advance their agenda, that is, a conditional freeze there, or other positions that china talks about. well, if we are talking about, or both about this and about the peace summit itself, what do we expect from it, are there any real grounds for such warnings, in my opinion, they real and

with one week to go, what will be the final outcome of this summit? i do not think that there will be any final result of this summit, i do not think that it was expected, i do not think that it will be at all, that is, it will not be at all, well, there will be some kind of decision, some kind of resolution, the more countries there are at the summit , the more the resolution will be in favor of everything, and it was right to involve as many states as possible, if at all you want about... the number of states, then yes, and if you want to hold these meetings in the circle of western allies, then it was possible not to start this process at all, but what are your thoughts on the fact that if there is some abbreviated formula to be discussed, that it will somehow hinder ukraine's position in the future? in principle, the ukrainian position in the future can be any, we understand it, because it is a ukrainian... position, the question is simply

whether we do not give the opportunity, for example, to certain players to promote their position, which will not completely coincide with ... with ukrainian to promote, for example, to other states, won't other states say, well, listen, ukraine , you see, came out with a shortened program, ukraine supposedly agrees to some compromises, let's talk about these compromises, maybe there is a problem in this, i think, the problem is in to another, the problem is that both we and the west are constantly waiting for russia to be interested in some kind of negotiations, and i think that is the case. that russia will not be interested in any negotiations at all, even if they will be there in saudi arabia in the fall, well, they can come somewhere, no, well, again, negotiations on the cessation of fire, as it is written in the chinese plan, may be, but it is not a peace formula and there are no talks about security and

so on, it's just that we met and agreed that the fire stops there from a certain hour on the line with... everything, it is possible, it is possible, although i do not see any need for russia, i believe that once again russia clearly demonstrates its desire to exhaust ukraine in, i would say, in the infrastructural, and not only in military terms. why russia? stop the fire if winter is ahead, and it is still possible to make it so that ukrainians continue to leave the big cities, if it is possible to see whether there will be heating or electricity. how many people will remain, how many enterprises, you understand that if there is no opportunity to live, then a large number of people will again go abroad. yes yes. russia can solve this problem as well, as a primary, demographic problem. it can end the war when there is simply no living population left. not that she will kill everyone, but

will simply force you to leave the territory. and the longer the war goes on, the more this possibility exists. some more blows on thermal power plants, some more. strikes on infrastructure objects, some more strikes on kharkov, it is very good that we can counter this now, this is an absolutely obvious point that we need to counter this, but i want to ask you a simpler thing, what in in principle lies the problem of the peace summit, if it actually adopts even a few points. in a situation where all these states they don't bother russia at all, they don't worry, because there is an idea that all the states have gathered, signed the formula, uh, all 10 points, all our measures have come true in a dream, but what happens the next day, nothing, well

, why, but those states that have gathered do not want to support all these formulas, they want half, but nevertheless it will be... a diplomatic victory, a large number of leaders gathered, supported ukraine, what difference does it make, what is written there, when russia spits on what is written there, when even these states, when they support these points, they do not support the idea of ​​cutting off economic relations with russia, maybe we need to work on a completely different idea, on the idea of ​​strengthening sanctions against russia, on the idea that the russian side receives less. opportunities for relations with the countries of the global south, this would really be a very serious thing, these are real things, but there are diplomatic efforts, it must be clearly understood, we have no opportunity to impose any formulas on russia, because russia only understands force,

here we hit the brain, russia understands this here we destroyed the russian oil refinery there, russia understands this, they immediately look for it, but what, how to respond in response, so what else can be destroyed here, so that we stop, if we respond more strongly, they will respond more strongly, this is a war on exhaustion, sooner or later the resources of the parties will be exhausted, and it is important for us that at the time of our exhaustion of the parties, and russian resources are exhausted to the extent that russia is also ready to stop hostilities, everything and so that we can live a certain period in peace before a new war , or before joining nato, and then all of this will end once and for all. we understand that from the words of president biden... nothing changes from the point of view of the introduction itself, well , today he is the president, tomorrow he is not the president, we are talking about a period of 10, 20, 30, 40 years, this is such a period of confrontation , that's all, so i don't have an answer to the question of how

this regime of diplomatic decisions should work in our understanding with you. the idea was to gather as many countries as possible at the peace summit, everyone was engaged in this, americans, europeans, ukrainians, but president zelensky made these statements. controversial enough about the war in the middle east to hear it in the arab countries, come because the number of participants is required. russia, in turn, will convene the brics summit, and the ministers of foreign affairs will extend their decisions there. does this have anything to do with the end of the war? none. the end of the war will occur when the parties have no economic demographic. social and political potential to continue military operations, all agreed, we continue to fight, but this does not mean that there should not

be a diplomatic struggle, you see that as soon as we withdraw a little, a chinese plan really appears, such a plan, these plans will not work either, because for russia we are not a state, a separatist territory that must be returned, russia lives in a different logic, it does not fight as a sovereign state, we fight, but it does not, other states believe that it fights as a sovereign state, but it does not. another life, but this does not mean that we do not have our positions on the international platform protect, how can it be done, what, what else, what alternative, a possible alternative would be not to convene a peace summit at the level of heads of state, i agree, but do you remember where this whole idea came from in general, this idea arose when they believed that after the ukrainian offensive... russia would want a change, and here we offered them the position of the international community, but it

was not a ukrainian idea, it was western politicians who thought so, well, if they live in their own world, and the russians are in their own, and these worlds do not meet, but only meet when a western missile hits russian positions, or a russian missile hits ukrainian ones, that's the only time they meet now, when they tried to talk, they didn't do well either, remember this conversation between biden and putin, and macron and putin, when i gave him a lecture on history, well, that’s it, we parted ways, forgot, they live in the 18th century, we are in the 21st, and they want to delay in the 21st, everything in the 18th, that’s it, here’s the whole international situation, very simple, i don’t see anything the negative thing is that the leaders of the states will meet and at least discuss something the very fact of their coming to this summit is moral support for ukraine, but the position of the west is also, in principle, to exhaust russia, that is, what they are giving now... of course, they, what, they saw what the situation was are on the same

kharkiv direction, yes, and they also make it possible now, essentially, for ukraine to strike russia with certain blows in order to exhaust it, that is, relatively speaking, we have a situation where russia is exhausting our potential, energy, there gas , any industrialist. military potential, a in fact, the civilized world gives us the opportunity to exhaust the russian potential, that is, the fact that we hit their military targets, and their oil refineries, their terminals and various ports there, this also means that we are trying to exhaust them, the question is simply that we , when we talk about the same chinese plan, well, i’m sorry, china may have a million plans with russia, but... the west will never agree to this plan, because it will be a huge blow to the west, that is, not just a blow there

political, and this will be a blow for many years in advance, a geopolitical blow, because it will effectively mean that the west has followed the lead of russia and china and will lose this battle, so it is clear that they can do their summit, but no one will ever legally no ... or politically on these conditions, there can be a combination of summits, conditionally speaking, there is some kind of meeting at the level of the president of the united states, the president of the people's republic of china and the king of saudi arabia, the president of france, that is, to meet in the middle, who simply agree to simply promote a truce, uh, truce 'yu, and just a ceasefire, at the moment when already there will be a complete lack of living conditions for the population both there and there. from a purely humanitarian point of view, such a truce, for which, let's say, ukraine negotiates this

truce with the usa and france, and russia with china and there with turkey or saudi arabia, but for this , the living conditions of the population must first be made intolerable in both countries, this is the only possibility to bring to some kind of finalization of the conflict, or putin realizes that he does not have the resources for a long, high-intensity war, then he also tries to somehow do all this. well now it seems that he, at least according to his statements, that he has so far, so far, so far, according to statements that we need putin's statements, we need not to count words, but money, so far, yes, here. here is another interesting statement by biden, it is that washington does not give the opportunity to strike with the weapons of the united states of america with its weapons on moscow, the kremlin there, well, as i understand it, on some objects or cities of such a plan, and this, conditionally saying also

a certain red line that they did not cross, maybe on the contrary they. first talked about that you can strike only along border territories, and now it turns out that in the future they will also cross this conditional red line, they will not cross, they will not cross, no, but again, this is rather the crossing of another red line, they used to say that you can strike only along border positions, now a certain object has been found that cannot be hit, there you can't hit the kremlin, putin's residences, the ministry of defense, for something like that, in general, it would penetrate the territory of russia, as i understand it... such logic is possible beat if it is a military object, well there how many 360 km, as far as i understand, we were given the opportunity to strike, if these are military objects, why 360, because we have such types of weapons available, we simply do not have others, well, even these kilometers - they are very serious destroy the potential of russianization and create

serious problems for the further destruction of the ukrainian territory's infrastructure, again when putin talks about delay. still wants it to end as soon as possible, well, a year, well, two, if he understands that it's 10 years, well, he's not a boy, sorry, to introduce a multi-year war of attrition without any significant results, he is absolutely not interested either, he is interested in it ending with a result, war itself is not a result, it is a tool to get an empire, if you don't get an empire, and you get some problems, you also start to think about how to get out of this situation, it seems to me at least. i am not putin, but it looks so logical, by the way, many experts, well, of course, it is in question here, i have, they say that russia is there will attack nato, we have already discussed it here with you, and we are quite skeptical about it, about the fact that in principle russia can

attack any country, even there, let's take the baltic countries, yes, but they are trying to do this... say, is this a possibility, or is this an exceptional issue at all? well, listen, you just have to really assess the capabilities of the parties. russia can, of course, strike a blow on the country's territory. there are such military-technical capabilities. the question is what will happen next? if nato and russia have nuclear weapons, it means nuclear conflict between them is excluded. in terms of conventional weapons. non-nato members, in principle, have an advantage over russia many times over, i remind you again that we have been at war with russia for 2.5 years, with old weapons, we will hardly receive new equipment, here are all these famous f-16 aircraft that we that's what we're trying to get from the west, these are old

batch planes, though, for the most part, and our pilots learn to fly them, the pilots of the western military... forces don't need to be trained to fly f-16 planes from the new series, they are able to now imagine that russia attacked someone, and the army of a nato country simply bombed its military facilities on the territory of russia, simply because russia has nothing to answer for. for all these missiles, for all these planes, for all this equipment, they took and bombed everything they could, this is how russia bombed our territory in february, march 2022, a massive strike, nothing remained, a memory of... russian military potential , everything is on fire, what will russia do, will they drop an atomic bomb, will they drop it too, or will they just say: oh, you know, we were wrong, let's talk about the de-escalation of the situation in europe, already on whose terms, this is the story of slobodan milosevic, who did everything and did everything until they started bombing him, again, if

they didn't have nuclear weapons, he could feel free putin, but they have, he... he can only threaten us, he can't threaten them, again, they have stronger equipment, well, let's even imagine that his contingent will be stationed in latvia, well , there is nothing good in this for the residents of latvia , we are not talking about this, whether in lithuania, whether the suval corridor will be cut by the troops milosevic was in kosovo all the time, while there was a nato operation against serbia, they stood in kosovo, and that, at that time , everything was burning with a blue flame in serbia and montenegro, well, russia will be too. exactly, understand, andriy, that’s why when our experts talk about how putin can attack nato countries, they don’t take into account such a moment, whether the russian army can… capture one or two baltic countries, maybe these are small countries with a small population, maybe she will capture them and at this time there will be a nato operation against russia, if her

it will not happen, it will be the collapse of the united states, and the united states cannot afford to collapse, because it is also an economic collapse, it is the collapse of everything, the dollar, the economy, after that you can join china, and the russians understand this perfectly, and there will be a show whipping, demonstrative, but for now... no one will shoot, the kremlin will be all beautiful, you can stand, walk, go to, what do you call, to the rubber, and there on the big screens you see a message that the engels airfield has been destroyed, and in 15 minutes , the airfield in mazdok was destroyed, comrade, and in 15 minutes, пилает военная часть вч 17.

that's how it will be, even putin can go for a walk to the rubber at this moment, no one will touch him, if you think that putin is such an idiot that he cannot calculate these simple things, then you are wrong, russia always attacks the weak. mind you, they once dealt with a strong enemy, if they miscalculated and considered someone weak to be weaker than he is, what happened in the russian-ukrainian war, and in the war with japan, and in the wars with turkey, always happened when there was weakness , russia immediately lost all its own opportunities and potential, whether we were involved in long wars, but of course, you know, great valor on... shepherding small georgia, which has a smaller population than some russian regions, and showing what heroes we are here, like them, heroes, heroes - this is not a person who

tries to fight with a child, and shows that this little child, he is running away from her and wants to negotiate peace somehow, it doesn't matter if you have 140 million or 120 million in your country, and nuclear power and everything , and you start a war with a country... 2-3 million people, just oh, what courage, wow, just, you know, incredible courage, you just wonder, and the same with ukraine, even this war with ukraine is a shame, a country that can use its nuclear potential to wipe humanity off the face of the earth within a few hours, is at war with a state that does not have nuclear weapons, in which 35-40 million people are unhappy there, is glad that some of the population has fled, is glad that they are some kind of residential quarters. destroyed, and this is proof of russian power, you see, it just doesn’t fit on your head, but they are like that, but it has always been, well, of course, because this is

the logic of a gopnik, and if someone stronger appears, oh, let's talk about peace for the coexistence of peoples, we have always been for peace, do the russians want wars, ask for silence, that's it you start right away. basing, well, and if we draw an analogy china, taiwan? well, that's a good analogy. here we draw this analogy. you said that the united states of america will react and must react. and here the question is not even whether russia will invade or strike by some nato country. purely in theory. we understand well that china. in the person of xi jinping has certain plans on the table, which lie, at least in them, regarding the occupation of taiwan, well, it

is called, it is difficult to call it an occupation, regarding the military solution of the taiwan issue, they have their own way of calling it, but then what do they do the united states of america, it depends on the extent to which they will be ready to fulfill their obligations that they have towards taiwan, but they have these obligations and politics. strategic ambiguity there is also, the people's republic of china does not know what the united states will do, that is, in theory, they can similarly strike at china's military bases, they can, they can strike at those military bases from where taiwan will be struck, they can lead their fleet and sink navy of the people's republic of china, can help the taiwanese on the island itself, but again i don't think that will happen for the simple reason that an attack on taiwan could become... the economy of the prc, and xi jinping is not an idiot either, he is great you understand, you understand, between taiwan and china, well

, you have to realize that too, not like between'. is ukraine, the integration of the economies of the mainland and the island is so serious that a forceful solution to the issue can simply become, i would say such a boomerang, that is why the chinese will constantly blackmail taiwan, the fact that if the taiwanese advance to the idea of ​​independence, it can lead to a forceful solution, but if a certain status quo is maintained, i don't think they will risk a military strike at all. it happens, but it seems to me that we can handle china's military strikes to see in other places, in the philippines, where there is no such clear understanding that there will be a conflict, namely an economic one, there may be a clash of some military force, american, and there china also has its own territorial interest, there are territorial interests, there are territorial disputes, everything is very difficult there, there may be certain provocations, but it's just so

stupid. to go to taiwan, well listen, and the chinese have already tried to capture it many times, it is so that they do not try, they did try, and what do you think that their army was weaker than taiwan's, they still knew that there was a certain red line that could not be crossed, and that was during mao zedong's time, who was a much more relaxed person than shizenping, well, the times were a little different, so...again, i can give you assurances, i can only make allowances for the mental state of the people who run authoritarian states, but xi jinping, frankly, seems to me to be a much more adequate person than putin in terms of his behavior, in unlike putin, sydzimpina is a big hardware school, a problem putin, that he doesn't have this school, but sydzimpin has it, you know, sidzimbi was not born in some spitting alley

in leningrad. in the family of one of the leaders of the communist party of china, he is a prince, yes , he had moments of repressive repressed father, re-education, but everyone had them, this is the story, but he is a party prince, and this is a special caste of people, you know, if you will understand how these people generally see the world, they see the world differently than these people who do not make party career and do not grow up in party families, and this applies to all hermetic organizations, therefore the principle is communist... the party of china is just such a hermetic sect of people with great experience and understanding of their capabilities, like some party nomenclature in the soviet union or even the princes of hamas, these are completely separate people, so it is very difficult to negotiate with them, but at the same time they imagine a situation in which the entire infrastructure, an authoritarian organization is located, well , that is, we still came to the conclusion that here

a direct analogy... there is no direct analogy, because again there is another economic cooperation, by the way, you notice that russia still continues to supply its gas through ukraine, and now they are looking for opportunities to agree to continue this transit, at least for certain routes, let's say transnistria, i think there will still be some searches, and this is despite the fact that we have practically no more economic integration, and still even this moment of integration. all time counts during wartime, now imagine what integration between russia and ukraine is one thing, integration between china and taiwan is something completely different, dozens, hundreds of times more important than integration between russia and ukraine, for the world economy, for the economy of the people's republic of china itself. that's all.

it's 2 p.m. in ukraine. i greet all the viewers of the tv channel, iryna koval is in the studio and i will just now tell you about the most important events at this time. two have already been injured. due to an enemy attack on an ambulance in the kherson region, announced the head of the region oleksandr prokudin. to the hospital for help contacted the medical team's paramedic, she was diagnosed with a concussion. the occupiers threw explosives at the medics who rushed to the call after the shelling in the belozersk community. the ambulance driver was also injured, he had an explosive injury. the most modern russian wine.