well, that is, maybe it’s a little bit different, now we’re showing how colombians are breaking through to mexico, you see, it’s not like that, it’s not some small groups of people alone, it ’s like that, now about ukrainian affairs, this newest claudia sheinbaum, she , well, as if mexico is such a global south, and how does it relate to the war in ukraine, as in mexico in general, i understand that it is very far, i... just as we do not care that there in that mexico the majority ukrainians , we have our own war, but still, politics is politics, what the mexicans, they, they are for red or white, are they for russia or for ukraine, i would ask, yes, of course, despite the geographical distance, it cannot be said that this war did not affect them in any way, because even during the elections , the permanent government justified itself that the economic the problems are present precisely because of this war that russia unleashed in ukraine, because... it led to

many and an increase in the price of goods and other economic problems, but speaking and clearly condemning russia, of course there were problems with this, and amlo, he just took such a maximum neutral position from himself at the beginning of the war, and very often even on the contrary, he proposed so-called peace initiatives that were unacceptable for ukraine, joining other countries, such as brazil or china, which also came out with such, or even said that it would be better not to help ukraine too much with weapons and funds, it would be better to give these funds to the fight against the same. by drug cartels, for example, here, that is, by essentially spreading certain propaganda to the same extent. as for the newly elected president, of course, she is on the pre-election campaign, this question did not arise main, but here, for example, at one time she officially supported amlo's position regarding this so-called peace plan, which he proposed, i will briefly remind you there, he envisaged stopping military operations on the front line that is currently in place for 5 years and concluding , well, to connect neutral parties, other countries, the un, in order to somehow resolve this conflict. of course, exactly how,

all this was not an explanation, but a certain optimism appeared again after the election of klaudia shinbaun, after president zelensky formally on twitter congratulated her, she skipped this greeting and noted that she will try to join global initiatives to return, i will say so, i emphasize, a peaceful, just peace to ukraine, this is enough to change the rhetoric a little bit, compared to the one supported by amlo, who did not at all wanted to discuss... consider what situation in this context, unfortunately, so far it is difficult to say that the situation will completely change, because, for example, as far as is known, mexico refused to participate in the global peace summit that is taking place in switzerland, or perhaps, if the ukrainian diplomats who are currently actively working in the region manage to convince, then at some minimal representation, because again, the current president amlo, in principle , put foreign policy on the back burner as much as possible, saying that he does not deal with this, that the best foreign policy is domestic, so he never even goes overseas... to what forums, but even

the minister of foreign affairs will not send, and so far this is the position regarding in general, what is the position of the mexicans, of course, officially mexico, again, it voted for all pro-ukrainian initiatives in the un, i mean condemned the russian aggression, more active actions did not take place, as for the society itself, the mood is mixed, of course , most mexicans, especially at the beginning of the war, how they supported ukraine, everything was in ukrainian flags, just like in europe on... for example, here, but we understand that russian propaganda also works very powerfully in mexico, russian the embassy is huge, all these zmi, rasha today, the satellite, which have their own network, corrupt politicians who work for russia, also do their work and very skillfully manipulate these anti-american sentiments in mexican society, that is what this war is supposed to be, it is not being fought there precisely against nato, and therefore it is not necessary to support it, i mean ukraine, and taking into account that, the list of problems that we...

that the mexicans have, of course, that they immediately forget a little about this situation, especially against the background of other crises, which arise in the world, but still there is an opportunity to work, i mean in order to strengthen our presence, and this is carried out both by the embassy and by various organizations, diasporic organizations, in particular ukrainian ones, in order to somehow strengthen the ukrainian presence in the region, but we understand that, of course , the geographical distance and the incomparably greater resources that russia possesses in terms of propaganda, for example, the spread of its influence. makes this task very difficult, but i still hope that with the newly elected president, may she, unlike the opposition candidate galvez, who lost, did not clearly support ukraine, as she did, but still she at least has more western values, perhaps to a certain extent, she is more focused, in particular on some things, such as environmental, for example , cooperation that resonates with certain points of the same formula of peace, perhaps, although in this context it will succeed. ukrainian

prism. thank you to mr. ivan and congratulations to mr. oleksiy. oleksiy haran, professor of political science at the kyiv malya academy, scientific director of the ilko democratic initiatives foundation kuchareva mr. oleksiy, thank you for finding time for us. let's talk about sociology, actually speaking, but one thing can be said now that another very important election has taken place, this is south africa, where for the first time since 94 , the african national congress has lost its majority, and now, perhaps, as a pro-russian coalition. so is the pro-ukrainian coalition, this is the topic, i offer it to you for yours, i will not take it, because i apologize to the host, mr. oleksiy, for some reason i did not think that they would tell me about zanzibar, about latin america, i am somehow here, you know, i have an editorial office,

we think what to take, what not to take, thanks for the tip, but we will talk about ukraine, not about the south african republic, with your permission, definitely watch. it's just that sociology is quite interesting, and what strikes me a little is that 55% of ukrainians negatively evaluate the activities of the servant of the people, it's strange to me, i'll be honest, well, it's the president after all, and it's his coalition or monomajority, how serious a signal this is for the president himself, that... his political power, well, is not highly rated, to put it mildly, and it is evaluated negatively, the majority of ukrainian people have a negative attitude to this, to this organization, let's say, servants of the people, what does this mean? well, i would say that this is even

a good result, we know how ukrainians like to evaluate our government and how the ratings of all presidents fell, especially theirs, their parties. so , to be honest, i don't see anything strange here, we really have for the fifth anniversary of the president, various polls were conducted, and in particular the one you refer to, it was conducted by the kmis, a respectable institution, but i would be here wanted to point out that they asked a question that was given to them by an ngo, well, an ngo, yes, that is, a non-governmental organization that takes quite such, radically anti-green views, yes, that is, it does not undermine the results of the survey, but it simply says that well, what other answer should we expect for these results, and on the other

hand, we can see that the trust rating for zelenskyi, he is 58-60%, is for him personally. that is, this is a sufficiently high indicator, we know the trend, the trend is that the level of trust in him is falling, with the sky-high results that were at the beginning of the war are below 90%, that is the obvious downward trend, i do not rule out that it will continue, but so far the confidence score of 58.60 is also quite good, a good result. i, with my small mind, was convinced at first that the war must make some corrections to the dislike of the ukrainians for the government, which usually develops in

the second year, no matter who comes, the second year is already a drop in ratings and so on, but here i intervened war, and i would think, well, during war, probably it will not be so bright. look, that is, the war, in your opinion, does not have much effect on the not-so-good habit of ukrainians to dislike the government, you know, i think it is affecting it now, but if we are talking about the first year and a half, it did not have an effect, on the contrary, it had a mirror effect, on the contrary, yes, that is, the authority of the president, the commander-in-chief, he once again rose to sky-high heights. and this was actually accompanied by trust in the actions of the authorities as a whole, and ukrainians began to believe again that the country is moving in the right direction, this is what we saw in the first half

years, then a gradual disillusionment began, but this disillusionment is against the background of those sky-high ratings that were, that is, i will tell you that now... the number of ukrainians who believe that ukraine is moving in the right direction, well, it is approximately the same as believes that ukraine is moving in the wrong direction, about 40 percent. 40%, but this is twice as much as the number of ukrainians who believed that the country was moving in the right direction, before the war, you know? that is, again, it is due to what happened, well, how they say, in the west, it is unity around the flag, well, i think we can say more deeply that it is the desire of ukrainians to defend, to defend independence. but then, i think, the government faces serious, ah,

serious problems and objectively, that is , a lot will depend on how the situation will develop on the battlefield, how it will develop at the diplomatic level, because from this , i think, will also depend to a large extent, the indicators, indicators of the government will depend. professor, another very important thing. question, it is more emotional than not sociological, not scientific. i have the following written here: 43% of ukrainians believe that the situation with democracy has worsened under zelenskyi. and i think to myself that one can say in different ways that the situation has worsened, one can say in a calm voice that during a war the situation with democracy always worsens, there is no news here, but one can say: and i... i, how you are not ashamed, the situation with democracy is deteriorating, that is, as it is deteriorating, as

in public opinion, people are sympathetic to the fact that it cannot to improve during the war, because both censorship and that, and we can talk about it later, or you can, on the contrary, strongly, strongly criticize and say, despite all the objective circumstances, that this is not possible, democracy must be developed, even during war. what do you say, professor? well, you are right in the sense that these are very mixed assessments, i would even say yes, depending on where we are commenting and to whom we are commenting, because there are forces in the west who will be happy about what you see , ukrainians believe that democracy is deteriorating in ukraine, so let's hold elections quickly, let's change the government, zelensky is illegitimate and so on and so forth, i.e. a repetition of the russian ones... ah, she screamed, and speaking in general, well, again

, you are right that this is war, war is a restriction of democracy, of course we can say that the social marathon, now, it is the only marathon, now it no longer copes with its duties, and this leads to the fact that the main one. .. the main source of credibility for news about the war is the telegram channel, and i will tell you honestly that i this is disturbing, what is happening in social networks and the trust in these telegram channels, it is even more disturbing than, say, the abuse of power during the marathon, yes, because during the marathon, if what is happening is clear, the people are evaluates negatively, you are now showing this trend, and the fact that 70% comes from telegram, and from anonymous,

and with all those fakes, this is a really serious problem, you know, and i have such a comparison that now in social the same thing is happening in the media that happened to us in the 18th and 19th years, only in reverse sign, that is, then we remember that no rational arguments... regarding poroshenko, regarding zelensky, they were not accepted. that's all, there was already a certain stereotype, it was formed, well, everyone bears their own responsibility for it, i mean from the politicians, but now what we see, well, it's also, you understand, it's undermining trust in the authorities, moreover, by sources that are not controlled, not controlled by ukrainian media, and... to a large extent by russian and we know the number of fakes here

, i want more details just as they say in the movies in russian movies are all detailed, that is, there are telegram channels, there is a crazy influence on society, then my question is because of the idiocy of the authors of telegram channels to a greater extent, or is it the work of russia that is purposeful , which is trusted by the same idiots and then spread. this information, because it is necessary to at least define the disease, to understand the disease in order to start fighting it, please, mr. professor, i think that as in life there are reasons. there are several diseases, i would put it first, it is still the russian pso and the dominance, the dominance of anonymous channels. in second place, i put the fact that ukrainians trust unverified sources, anonymous channels, when you tell them: well, friends, well, read verified sources, watch verified

channels, i always tell them about espresso, but ukrainians why? they refer to exactly this, the telegram channel, i say, well, look, read dt, tnv, ukrainian pravda, left bank, and they tell me that these same channels were sold to the authorities, i say, good people, where did you get that, well we consider the telegram, but there is truth there, but what to do, professor, and what to do, there are some medicine, well, because it’s very easy to close, but how to do it so that, on the one hand, you don’t close the telegram, and on the other hand, well, some kind of enlightenment, some kind, i just don’t know, i can’t imagine what kind of enlightenment this can be ? well, i think mykola knyazhytskyi, the people's deputy who submitted the relevant bill, can tell you better about this topic, where it is not about closing telegram channels,

but that they were registered, millionaire channels were registered as the press, so that we know who.. . so that they are responsible for their policies, that's the first point, the second point, it is definitely necessary to build a policy of trust in those channels that are currently operating in ukraine, and these are also opposition channels, which of course, well, it should have been re-watched on all channels a long time ago, but the same is true of the channels that are part of... the single marathon , because there are also channels that, well , different channels have a different story, yes, we know now that now the first is a public channel, that they strive for greater independence, that they partially, as formally remain, but partially leave the single marathon , and

the third, what i said, and maybe it is necessary it would be a good place to start, this is an honest conversation between the government and society. so again, we started with a drop in trust, well, we had sky-high hopes at the beginning of 23 that we were about to release everything, and then it became clear that this would not happen, the authorities did not prepare for the fact that the war could to appreciate, that is , in other words, mr. professor, i apologize profusely, but in other words, that is, i understand from the other side and the authorities who think, well, we can... start a dialogue, but will society understand us, or which part of society will understand us, on the other hand, without a conversation , society, the authorities will not achieve anything, well, this is a lesson of thousands of years of human history, please, what can you say, there are examples, there are examples of mobilization, where the authorities are obviously

late from the explained regarding mobilization, especially when we are talking about the situation... that developed abroad, two weeks later the ministry of foreign affairs issued an explanation, yes, but it was already too late, because people did not believe it, you know, people believed the worst, not those explanations that were, that's why, by the way, i what i would like to say is that our poll, the deminitiatives and the center of intelligence, we conducted a poll that 19% of ukrainians are ready to go to the front in the event of mobilization. this does not mean that they run as volunteers, but they say that if we receive, we will not hide, so this is a large reserve, this is 20%, this is a very large reserve, so, apparently, we should not grab people at the turnstiles, but just to work purposefully with this potential reserve, well

, these are examples, and definitely, and absolutely absolutely, we cannot. to say that the country relies on 5-6, on 5-6 managers, well, it's just a communication error, misunderstanding and so on. we conducted an interesting survey, it was at the beginning of the 20th, at the end of the 22nd year, to whom do we owe the fact that we repelled the russian offensive near kiev, the army came first, the entire ukrainian people came second, and a volunteer came third. and the institution of the president was in the fourth or fifth place, i think that these are absolutely correct answers, so are the entire ukrainian people, and when we are told that there are five or six managers who the situation on your own, well, it is obvious that this is a wrong communication, mr. professor, maybe the last, maybe the penultimate question, but it seems important to me, if i take it this

way, it follows from your words, at least that is how i understood it, maybe i misunderstood that despite the war , despite everything going on, the struggle between soviet and anti-soviet, post-soviet continues, let's not talk to society, this is... purely soviet, let's say that we have five managers, there are five members of the politburo, purely soviet, and on the other hand there are volunteers who help, are doing something, there is some free press that criticizes or supports, that is, there are two forces, despite the war, they continue to coexist in ukraine, please, your point is wrong, well, i would not say that it is pro-soviet and anti-soviet, i would still say that there is a patriotic line, and there are lines... well, let's say such a populist line and which is aimed at, well, let's say, not to give full

information, well, maybe this full information is not always necessary when we speak about the military situation, yes, but in terms of this conversation with society, and she, she really important, i.e. correctly placed accents, they are very important, and therefore... i would already say that this is not the legacy of the soviet union, it is already what we have, and this, and you think that an honest, frank, intelligent a conversation with society will help both the government and society, that is, i, i said about it, that the government may well think, well, we, we, we will begin to explain something, we will expose ourselves to understanding, because there are telegram channels, who will say, oh, don't believe them, but believe me, i'm such a great telegram guy. no, well, it seems to me that it will still be better than a bad conversation, than silence, and the telegram will say, you see, you are not

being told the truth, you are not being listened to, i think it is better to speak, think how, think to choose words, again, people like erestovych and i have already forgotten who is there with him are to blame for this disappointment, so... it is not necessary to mention these people against the night, but all this was spread, you understand, in society, let's drink coffee, and then the ladies, and it didn't work out, aristovych continues to walk somewhere in the west and to create an image for ourselves, and we bear, and we bear losses, including even now people do not understand, well, people understand why, yes, but they were not prepared for the fact that it will be a protracted, protracted war, so it seems to me , what... a direct conversation is always better, you can't agree on something, but our people are not stupid, thank you very much, thank you, an interesting conversation,

in fact, oleksiy garan, professor of political science at the kiryan academy, scientific director of the ilko democratic initiative foundation kuchaeva, was in touch with us, we talked about sociology, about ukrainians, about the ukrainian government, pro-ukrainian, how to say, ethnos, i would say that more broadly, and now... we will have, we have already talked about it, 10 years of war, the movie of the same name is just about the beginning, it is an extremely complicated period of time, modern heroes , the key moments of our recent history, this film was presented by the espresso tv channel, which you are watching now, i hope, and exclusive announcements, first impressions, we will show in our story further, and then there will be news, but it will all be without me. i say goodbye to you, good luck, everyone success and victories.

10 years of war, 10 years of hardening the ukrainian nation. espresso tv channel prepared a documentary about the key events of our history and... ordinary people who directly influenced its course. it is here that a ten-year history is documented, from the maidan to the present day to the full-scale invasion. there are many documentaries, but there has never been such a clear, concrete chronology of this particular period, well, so far. everyone will see in this film what they understand, or want to understand, and... everyone will see something different, it was important to me in the context of the slightly reduced attention of the western audience to show what is really

happening. in ukraine, what happened in ukraine, why it is happening in ukraine, especially in the context of counter-propaganda against russian information aggression. the voices of the ten-year history in the film became prominent ukrainians, journalist and activist tetyana chornovol, founder of the tyra volunteer ambulance corps, writer svitlana povalyaeva and her son, a fallen hero of ukraine, an activist. all three named characters of this film, i.e. tyra, tatyana chornovol and roman, they are undoubtedly the heroes, they are undoubtedly the people who gave the most for their tribe, and roman also gave his life. the picture tells about triumphs and

defeats, about challenges. and victories, about the achievements and transformations that happened to each of us during these 10 years, there are all the events, starting from the maidan and ending with the current state of the war, and the main life of these three people, the life and death of one of them, the real heroes of ukraine, on the one hand, it is so historical, it simply retells events, and the other is very emotional, because these events are told through people's lives, i think that... for understanding. work on the preparation of such a large-scale documentary work lasted almost a year. in the end, the film will be released in two versions: in ukrainian and in english. after all, as the creators emphasize, the main goal is to reach the foreign audience and show the way ukraine and ukrainians have overcome during this decade. the more films there are about the war in ukraine,

the bigger their audience will be. because each work of art finds its own viewer, and people who may not have been affected by any other film will be affected by this one, and those who were not affected by whose film will affect others, the main thing is that there is an author's point of view, that people see the war as a tragedy, that they see people in the war, and this is very important for the future. american director of slovak origin oleg garenchar became the director, scriptwriter and producer of the film. the tape was realized by the espresso tv channel together with a public organization. the all-ukrainian democratic forum is supported by usa media program in ukraine, which is implemented by the international organization internyus and the zmi development fund of the us embassy in ukraine. for us, this will be a film of memories, that is, when we watch this footage, we will think where exactly i was, at what corner i was standing on the same square when those things happened, or when the boys were shot, so for us these are

memories . but we did it not just to remind ukrainians of these 10 years, we did it to show this history and this history to all ordinary citizens. tape lasts two hours and covers not only the stories of the heroes, but also the history of the formation of the state, the visa-free eu, the creation of the ocu, the adoption of the law on language. the first viewers of the tape share their impressions, the archival ones, which they have never seen before, were the most impressed. footage, since i myself live within these events as a citizen of ukraine, to say that i discovered something so new for myself, something was impressive, no, but i was very affected by the completely unknown, never -before-seen footage with roman, when i began to remember his whole life and especially a year before the war, then to be honest, it gives me goosebumps. i sat,

watched, i looked at these beautiful people, at taira, at svitlana, at paevska, at definitely the footage of roman ratushny's chronicle, and i realized that it has been 10 years, i experienced some of these events in the same crimea, with on the one hand, it is long, almost two hours, and on the other hand, in one breath, timing, our main task is to remember and never allow a repetition, the documentary film 10 years of the war is planned to be presented at the cinema. at film festivals and of course in on the espresso tv channel, and a few more exclusive shows are ahead. congratulations, friends, the politclub program is on the air on

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