in another, in general, the entire political class of mexico, what is the left direction, what is the right direction, well, the left of the centrist, let's say so. and what can the policy be, what changes can you expect, are there any changes in policy that will distinguish claudia schönbau from lópez obrador, in particular in foreign policy, in relations with america, in the attitude to the conflict between russia and ukraine? i don't think we will see any radical change on the outside. politician clavia schentbaun is quite a long-time, let 's say, associate of lopez abrador, she supported him in the presidential campaign 2006-2012, that is, they have been cooperating for quite a long time, they are in the same team, they rotate, let's say, in the same circle, she shares his views, in principle, as such a social leader, for the first time kladia schonbaim showed herself during the student protests 87 against the neoliberal so -called reforms, and in latin america,

the liberal reforms of the late 80s and early 90s are perceived as reforms imposed by the united states, which were aimed at a new round of colonial consolidation there, despite , that if these are not true claims that even though these reforms were intended to really reform the economies, latin american countries and improve the standard of living, they have the most negative trail behind them, and this is what the young claudia schinbaum, if she learned... what she fought against, and therefore to say that she will somehow radically change foreign policy, well, it seems unlikely, because yes, politicians evolve, and zelensky of 2019 is not zelensky of 2022, but nevertheless some fundamental principles remain the same, and in the case of cloudy i am not shinbaun i don't see any, let's say, reasons for its drastic change, in the current conjuncture, let's say. and international, and regional, and

actually intra-yukan. well, it was the same in mexico many times, remember, when a person appeared from the same institutional revolutionary party that ruled mexico there for almost two centuries, was considered such an obvious representative of the establishment, the heir of the previous president, and then once and for all politics changed by 180°, and no one could have predicted this at the time of the elections. i do not i will say that in mexico. there is such a large, let's say, selection of similar examples, argentina with the milleium is a much more vivid example, yes in this respect, yes, but there it has always been like that, i would not agree with this statement completely, because usually parties, if of the left variety in mexicans have always been more and so isolationist, skeptical of the united states, right-wing parties, well, for example, there's enrique peñanieta or vicente fox, they had better relations with... with the united states, so

that's the thing, the parameter that distinguishes mexican politics there for the last 20-30 years, quite stable. and will claudia shambaum also expect a change of power in the united states, or would it be better for the president of new mexico if joe biden remained in the white house? what does mexico even need in this situation? well, we see that andrés manuel lópez obrador behaved as if he had a relatively good relationship. with biden, i think there's a generally more favorable perception in mexico of the democrats in power, let's see, they'll obviously be very wary of the united states, and at the same time, mexico is actively pushing china out of the trade balance of the united states, that is, mexico, it is, let's say, winning its place, yes, its niche in the united states, and their relations are developing quite actively, if they managed to more or less manage yes, there are migration points, if... that the republicans take over

the congress, or trump comes to power or another candidate from the republican party, then all these things that worsened relations between mexico and the states there 5-7 years ago, they can emerge again, and it is obvious that the democrats there, joe biden, for the current moment , will surely be more of a soft option for the development of relations for mexico. and tell me , is the election of a woman president of mexico a political revolution or a continuation of some such trends that we have all been following? the last years and decades there, after all , claudia schoenbaum, the first woman to head the capital of the country, was also completely unexpected that this could happen for such a conservative country, everything has changed, it is possible so to say, yes, this is a trend that has been going on for quite a long time, women are gradually occupying higher and higher ministerial positions, presidential positions, in peru we have the example of dina buluarta, we have examples of other women, yes there in leadership positions , there are ministers. of the interior,

these are the ministers of foreign affairs, in different countries, they are sometimes in power for a short time, but if this is a trend that can no longer be overcome, and as we have seen, the main candidates... who fought each other in mexico, there were two women, it was claudia schönbaun and it was shuchitel gálvez, from different political parties with different backgrounds, but nevertheless , two women competed anyway, so if, regardless of the election results, mexico would still be led by a woman, which actually happened, and you can say in principle, that despite the so- called scenery of a stable political process. mexican statehood itself, it is under serious threat all the time, i remember one of the famous women who headed one of the cities in mexico, she was killed literally the day after the election, and it was alfredo, cabrero, i think, yes,

the mayor of the city of coyuca de benitez, the candidate for the position of mayor, and after that the mayor of the city of kociha yalanda sanchez, this is literally... the news of the last days, this is may 29, june 4, and so on they said that this yolando sanchez was constantly tried to blackmail her, kept under the protection of the cartels when she visited a neighboring state, how can democracy be considered steel when the mayor of a city can be held at gunpoint, and then after a certain time there in a year... this specificity inherent in latin america, which we see not only in mexico that it is local elections, local governors or mayors, they become targets for such cases, mexico, especially the northern states of mexico, it is in general a separate microcosm with its own

rules, there are cartels, criminal groups that compete between by myself we saw a similar situation, for example, in ecuador, when the city of guayaquil is the largest. the port of ecuador, one of the largest port cities in general in latin america on the pacific ocean, several attempts were made there and several candidates for mayor of the city of goaquil were killed, that is, the situation is somewhat similar. on the other hand, if we look at the number of murders in mexico per 1000 population over the last 5 years, it has steadily decreased from 27 in 2019 to 23, and now the latest figures are 2023 , that is, despite ... all the caveats, still mexico remains a rather effective state, it is actively developing economically, it, as i said, is very closely entering the north american market, and therefore it is impossible to say that mexico is gradually moving towards some kind of fail state. let's see what the results will be over time

claudia's presidency, but from the point of view of security, from the point of view of these influences, yes, there are drug flows from latin america on mexican politics, they now... play a much smaller role than there 10 years ago, because they first emerged in the mid-2010s to central america, and then went to the south and concentrated for now in ecuador, so for mexico we have a relatively favorable conjuncture now. can mexico become an alternative to china for the united states of america? i mean exactly the economic alternative, are there such possibilities? well, we understand that there is a country with a population of 130 million... obviously it will be difficult to compete with china, which has more than a billion people, but in those nuances in those niches, in those productions of supply chains in some technological industries, so she can occupy this niche and she will do it successfully, because if it is in the interests

of mexico, it is in the interests of the united states at the moment, and if there is no fundamental change in the relations between the countries as a result of, for example, the elections in the united states, then actually . will take place, united the states consider mexico as that country, that neighbor, that partner that can actually take over that part of the production and that part of the supply that the united states wants, if it were to be taken out of china and placed somewhere, and mexico is excellent in this regard. there is education there, there is a large population, a young population, logistically it is close, and so on and so forth, well, after we see left-wing presidents in mexico as well, and this is about... the trend continues in argentina, and in brazil, we can say that it is certain the trend is also in colombia, by the way, where this has not happened for many decades in a row. it can be said that there is such a trend of watering the continent, well, with the exception of argentina, the truth is the opposite there, what is interesting, now latin

america is approaching the end of the so -called second pink wave, that is, this pink wave began with the elections in mexico in 2018 . then a series of elections were held there in the 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd years, and in most countries presidents of the left variety were really elected, the exceptions were ecuador, and twice during... this period the elections in ecuador, there was a right-wing candidate, there was now a centrist candidate, argentina, it really broke out of this trend with mr. miley, and mexico, if it started the cycle of the left of this wave, now if it ends with the re-election of a left-wing president, we will see how much if it would happen in other countries, because in colombia, gustavo petro is the first left-wing president there in 100 years, and this is the exception, not the rule, in brazil. the competition was very tight in peru the competition between castillo, who would have

joined this left wave, the red wave, and keika fujimori, who represented the right-wing political spectrum, received 44,000 votes, which is 0.18%, if i remember correctly, that is, the gaps were minimal, and if mexico took over the left-wing president for the continuation of this wave, let's look at the rest of ukraine, at least after in two or three elections it will be possible to talk about pro'. continuation of this trend in the region, or, on the contrary, the fragmentation and dispersal of the political balance in latin america, some countries will be right, others will be left, and all this will be such, you know, an interesting mosaic. well, by the way, i understand that we have always believed that the right-wing in latin america is more inclined to support ukraine than left-wing politicians, but mr. miley's behavior makes me wonder about the correctness of such a definition. you are absolutely right because we have the example of gabriel. who is considered to be quite a left-wing president, he is the president of chile, and at one time he formed a union with the communist party

of chile, yes, which sounds quite specific for ukraine, and at the same time, president borych, as it were, he demonstrates tenacity in his support for ukraine, this and voting in un, this statements in support of ukraine, these are meetings or telephone conversations there with the president at the level of the heads of the foreign ministry, deputy heads of the foreign ministry, condemnation of cuba, condemnation. that is , his example demonstrates that no, if the left does not mean anti-ukrainian or the pro-ukrainian right, as miley has demonstrated, it is also not automatically super pro-ukrainian or anti-ukrainian, everywhere has its own specificity, if, for example, president gustavo petro from colombia goes to peace summit, it will also be a certain surprise, because he with his background would in theory have to be so more pro-russian, but we see, well, what if... relations with colombia are gradually warming, president lula, on the contrary, he is very cold there, they have a certain

personal contact with president zelensky, not at the best, let's say, level , that's why everything is specifically open open very different, thank you, thank you mr. oleksiy, oleksiy atkydach, a specialist in latin american issues, the adastra center was in touch with us, we talked with him about what is happening in latin. america, in relations between ukraine, the countries of this region, which is quite important for the world. now we will break for a few minutes, but you stay with us, there is still an important topic ahead.

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independently determine the future of europe, the functions of the european parliament are quite limited. and by and large the europeans themselves decided that they would be limited, at one time there was a constitution of the united europe, a proposed commission led by the former president of the french republic, valéry jascardestin, it was rejected, in particular in the referendum in ireland, it was not voted for by the residents of the eu countries themselves, but along with this, it can be said that despite such limited powers, the elections to the european parliament are always perceived as a certain trend. trend of development of political life in europe, and despite the fact that there are no special surprises, it is clear that the center-right will be the winners of these elections, this can already be seen even from the results provided for individual countries. even if we understand that this is in many respects a protest vote, at the same time

it is a trend, a trend that will give signs in the next national elections, and therefore before the elections... the attention of all european leaders is so focused on the european parliament, and therefore according to the results of these elections , the following election campaigns are being organized, so it is clear who can really lose, who can really to win, well, i will just show you the real exit poll in germany, which is quite serious, i would say a sign that the government in this country may change in the next parliamentary elections, because the opposition bloc of the christian ... - social union. you remember that the representative of this block , angela merkel, was the chancellor of germany for many years. he gets 30% of the votes in the european parliament elections, but the social democrats, who lead the german government today, only 14%, rather disappointing

the results of the german greens, who received only 12% of the voters, and... the free democrats, who received only five percent of the voters, but the party is an alternative for germany, whose representatives have just been excluded from even the far-right faction in the european parliament itself, where the dominant force is the marine le pen party, the french far-right party, they have as much as 16% of the vote, that is, it will be a very serious representation, they significantly improved their representation in the parliament in the previous elections to the greens of the european parliament were actually the favorites of these elections, they had second place, this is quite a serious moment, in austria it is an even more serious moment, the leadership of the far-right austrian freedom party, which many, after it became known about the willingness of its leader at that time

to cooperate with moscow was generally considered to be politically dead, but this political corpse is not something that has come to life. but they are also preparing to come to power, because the austrian freedom party received 27% of the votes in the exit polls, so it will have twice as many deputies in in the european parliament, than was the case until now, the austrian people's party has only 23% and the social democrats 23% of the vote, so it may happen that in the next parliamentary elections in austria , the austrian party... freedom, this victory in the european elections is her first victory in any general national election in the country, she can apply for the post of federal chancellor, that is, the same phenomenon that we have already seen in the netherlands will take place, although the leader of the far right, geert wilders, had to refuse position of prime minister in order to form a ruling

coalition in which his party could be so, i would say serious. but one way or another, we can say that this story will be quite serious for the future of those european elections, which can now be seen in the coming months, and of course, the european parliament itself will change, but we will now talk about it in detail literally in... minutes great return of great lviv, conversations, discussions, search for solutions, ukraine's largest conversational format in the evening prime. in general, i believe that we need... two things, money and weapons. we did not start this war, but we must finish it and we must win. all the most important things are said every thursday at 21:15 in the project by velikiy lviv on

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security, tomorrow iskanders will visit you, the enemy hears, be careful. we continue our program and our guest in the studio is the diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, pavlo klimkin, congratulations, congratulations, panetali, so these elections, they will really change the face of europe, which we are talking about, it is unlikely that they can push, but the policy will be changed, politics is very inertial. whether there will be a right wave, surely there will be, or she will engulf europe, it does not look like that yet, we will know the results with you tomorrow,

exit pole, literally how many minutes in 10, yes, i think 10 minutes, so we can return it at the end of the conversation, but seriously, the question in what, to what extent is today's europe able to understand that it is still the europe of the 20th century, and not the 21st. already in the 19th, taking into account the fact that in europe there are no borders, that is, there are no constitutional borders, they will probably be offended if they go somewhere to the vienna congress , well, plus, whether there will be a single right-wing faction, and it depends on the arrangements and even the personal egos of miloni and le pen, if there is, it will have a profound effect on appointments in the european commission and elsewhere. and a plus, of course, on the distribution of the balance sheets of the eurocouncil, where orbán will be pushed into which corner or not, that is, yes, of course, the politics will be greatly

influenced by the elections, by the way, the new commission will be just a couple of days before the american elections, formally november 1, and now the european parliament will start the hearing of the commissioners, and it will be an interesting process when someone can come up with more interesting issues. well, like what macron likes to repeat once every 5-7 years, most of his proposals are like water in sand, but some still resonate and work, if i see that there are several leaders today who are ready to go beyond of standard european political correctness, we will see whether they will leave in a couple of months, but tell me, if we turn... to an event that will be closer than understanding how the european parliament will function, that is, the peace summit in switzerland, to the extent that it is now account in this diplomatic, i would say, duel of the west and

china, ukraine and china, russia? if this is a diplomatic duel, well, hardly, well, me, well, if the president of ukraine loudly accuses china of undermining the summit, what is the duel? and the chinese actually, it may be unpleasant, but no... well, i think, by the way, with the brazilians, it goes deeper, because the latin american mentality, it's like that, the chinese, they, they are in eternity, they see everything strategically , but we need to work with the non-western world, it is becoming more and more difficult, someone starts thinking only about themselves, but for most countries that mean something in the past and... that the victory of russia, something that does not fit, that our victory, something that does not fit, but sing this chinese-brazilian

plan, so that neither ours nor yours. there is no plan, we just stop somewhere, and then we start, we start talking, and how do we start talking, and how will it turn out, how will it go, who will guarantee what, who will guarantee that there will be no fall and in general the mentality regarding military aid, but the chinese actually not indifferent, but not critical, the chinese want russia to be tied to them for the long term. they believe that personal relations are working now, but whether they will work in 10 years, who knows who will be the leaders of china and russia, so the logic of the chinese is very simple: bind russia in any way, at least for the next 450 years, when they believe that the world will be defined by the strategic rivalry between the united states and china, and they will follow this path to the end, by the way, so do the brazilians, but the brazilians have a lot more. things in

the head, well, how many 380 billion assets do they have abroad, if i am not mistaken, now in a couple of days there will be a decision, well, will it be legally formalized there immediately, or not, let's see if it will be a political decision on the use of profits from russian assets, and already now i am hearing from the arabs, from the brazilians, from the chinese, and what will be with our assets, i tell them, well, you are not going to attack there tomorrow, they say, no, no, no, but maybe we will also behave badly for the event, you understand, that is, in fact, these things , which are very cool for us on the one hand, they also affect the summit, so the logic of this conference in switzerland, it is actually held as possible in today's reality, and it is actually super difficult, phenomenally difficult, at least part of it is not

involved in that... but in my opinion, both the chinese and the saudis, they left the summit is not so much because of some anti-ukrainian, they don’t have anything so anti-ukrainian or completely pro-russian, they have a logic that they will take it upon themselves, once merdaan was there, that’s how he told everyone that i will be the best mediator, focus on me, come to istanbul, what we saw and now the saudis are saying, now we will rather be next with the support of the chinese, so... this is a struggle for the place of switzerland, so global, you can say, it is a struggle for the place of the saudis, as part and connecting such a link between the west and the non-west, you remember, austria was once during the cold war and vienna was such a kind of link, but now there is a struggle between qatar and the saudis for who will be the link between the west and the non-west, and i

believe that the saudis... have a chance, and the chances are actually serious because they're behind them, they're backed by the chinese, and they've got oil, they can actually affect oil prices, in qatar gas, gas is a good story, and being middlemen is also a good story, but the saudis still have a larger scale, if the saudis increase production, then they can just collapse oil prices, and that's really a good lever and... on russia, but russia is not particularly sweaty about gas, the chinese keep it in the dark, and gazprom, by the way, last year showed a negative balance for the first time in 1999, so that gas - this is an important story, and so is qatar with its tankers cool, but the saudis, in my opinion , are number one in today's history, and they want to play this story out as a slander, and... which can be

played out, when the swiss peace summit ends, they will make, well, in principle, a decision that will not be effective, truth? well, the decision will be rather politically declarative, that is, it will record that there is a desire to move forward, that is, in my opinion, the result of this summit is the summit itself, and not some documents that will be signed there. approved or something, that is, the very fact of the summit and the fact that it is possible to keep this format, west-not-west, is, in my opinion, much more important there than the decisions that can be made there, well, what will happen next, saudi arabia will try to hold its own conference, will the west discuss it with her, of course the west, saudi arabia will be given, i emphasize the verb will be given.