instead of butter, a bad slogan, which many who watch us do not like, but you must understand that they are already living in it, and there is nowhere to go from there, moreover, if it looks like this, then the whole of europe will be militarized, because they will feel in danger all the time, but look again at the near east, israel is in danger, it's true, only him, that egypt will be in danger, or saudi? or some other countries, but how much money do they spend on the military-industrial complex, just in saudi arabia has a lot of this money, but they are really busy all the time with the army in local conflicts, they just left yemen, when there is even one country that is a security issue for the entire region, it is not easy to live in all other countries, and in european countries, here these people of ours who will live in european countries, they will serve in the army, when they will withhold citizenship, they will...have problems with

social security, they will not have a good life, they will not, because it will the existence of such a ukraine will destabilize europe and turn it into a militarized continent as well. i don't know, i can look for some addresses that can at least be recommended to people who would like to live the years they have left before some big war in peace and tranquility, well, australia, it is already in alliance with the united states militarily. it is there in a very dangerous region of the asia pacific, well, maybe some thailand, but i am also not sure that china will be such an easy point for the future, that is, it is necessary to sit down and look for some place where you could gather those who would like to live peacefully, not not interested in political news and not afraid of heart attacks, but there will be a lot of such places, the beautiful maldives, and the president, who now forbids the citizens of israel in travel to the territory of his country, expels india. military personnel are invited

by the chinese, and soon the chinese from the maldives will burn somewhere, and they will burn across the maldives and instead of a resort there will be one bloody bathhouse, it can be like that, by the way, i will interrupt you, question secondly, this is what i said about the first question, and now there is a second question, which is how many, if we have such periods, war, peace, war, peace, well, conditional peace, how many people will remain in ukraine, this it is also very important, why, because... russia has one population, ukraine has a different population. last saturday, last saturday, you and i said that we have a catastrophic demographic crisis in ukraine. about 28 million people live in ukraine now, i can tell you how many people will be left to live here if it there are constant periods like this, somewhere up to 15-20 million, that much will remain, well, if we are in nato, it will increase to 35, well

, well, part of the people will return, part of the people will return, of course, and some of the people are not you , who wants such a more or less peaceful life, will not leave, but even in the most destroyed countries there is a large population that has left lebanon, no, many have stayed, there are people who just want to live at home, even if they understand that a rocket will arrive tomorrow, there are many such people, that's why they are here approximately 20 million people will remain there to work in military factories, serve in the army, raise... soldiers and so on, and these people, by the way, will try to vote for politicians, as they will try to normalize relations with russia, this is what is most interesting: the diaspora will be pitted against russia, and people who will be here will vote for parties of a pro-russian direction, not pro-russian, a direction of coexistence, and people, people who will be abroad, will vote for patriotic forces, and people who they will fight here. that

some deputies are imposing on them, who will once again condemn them to a confrontation with russia, because they will believe that it is still possible to come to an agreement with russia. and it will also be a very interesting thing, when the fate of those people who will stay here will be decided by the people who will stay there, and those people will stand in queues at embassies to vote for those who will not be supported by those who are here will remain, it can also be, absolutely realistically, i like pro-european forces in moldova. win because people in in all the capitals of the world, citizens of moldova stand in queues for 20 hours to vote for my sando, and people living in moldova want to vote for a certain igor dodon, and then they are very offended that their compatriots impose on them the power that they would never elected, if they were allowed to vote themselves, this can be hocus-pocus, it must be remembered, but there is another side of the coin, there are actually people who went abroad, but who were complimentary to russia. although they most likely

will not vote, they will not vote they will, they will and they will go to the russian consulate, these people to look for russian passports, but there are actually such, well, let's face the truth. look, we did not gather here to lie and to talk, well, different people live in ukraine, it is generally normal, when we are dealing with a state of 40 million recently, then of course there are people of different political views and different identities even, of course there are, but again, if you, uh, absolutely do not perceive ukraine as a state, you see it as some kind of boil for the purposes of russia, like napoleon that's what he said about corseco, by the way, his own family. absolutely the same illustration, yes, why will you go to the embassy of this ukraine, who will you vote for there, you will forget about this ukraine a month after you leave there, well, we already see such people, the truth is, you saw that how huge the number of people who left ukraine

abroad, according to sociologists, how many percent, 30% or 40, are not even interested in news from ukraine, do not know what is happening here, they simply left because of it. forgot and take their children to russian clubs and to russian schools, this is also a fact, a fact, because they did that when they lived here, well, that is, but we are talking about voters, these people are not voters, but these people , who are patriotic and left, they are voters, because they will be very afraid that their compatriots will bring to power those they do not like, and this is what it looks like, so we are talking about what we just talked about the position of... . of the united states of america, but there is actually not only the united states of america, there is, we are good at it we know the position, including that of other nato member states, who also believe that ukraine should not be a member of

the north atlantic alliance, there are those too. so, at the expense of such countries, is it possible to convince them in the future, will they not become, even if the position. is the usa, whether they will not become another stage of obstacles for ukraine to be able or not to join nato depends on the leading states, these leading states are able to convince otherwise, because these others depend on their support. hungary can oppose ukraine is in nato, but orban knows very well that the nuclear powers are protecting him, if there is a consensus of the nuclear powers, then of course they will not protest, they. they can delay, negotiate, well, we have already seen how it works with sweden and finland. turkey is a much more influential country than hungary. and president recep tayyip erdogan can be said to have wrested

everything he could from this acceptance of finland and sweden into nato. and he conducted negotiations, and signed defense agreements, and the legislation required them to be changed, but no one doubted, however, no one? who did not doubt that he would still make concessions, that this is just a cycle, no one in the united states, in sweden, in finland, had no doubt that these countries would become members of nato, no matter what he did, that it just had to be such a political process, which should actually convince his compatriots that he is a strong, independent, inviolable international player, but he knows very well that he leads a country that is part of nato, he will not... take risks, there is no question of orbán no, orbán will block meetings of the cabinet of ministers, nato and ukraine, to demand new concessions and so on and so forth, but there always comes a moment when he has to give in. we

saw that the hungarians were very unhappy that they became the last country to vote for sweden in nato, that they hoped that the turks would at least announce their intentions, but they did not even notice them. with all the friendship between erdogan and orban, well, this is already a very good illustration, so everything will depend on the position, first of all, of the united states and other nuclear powers, great britain, great britain and france, great germany role plays, but it will listen to the american position, and it will listen now, they are against it together, so there are, there are certain points that need to be realized, again, but i think that... the states while the war continues, they will not demand such a consensus, because they do not really understand why there is such a consensus, if they talk about the risk, the real risk of a nuclear strike, and that's why they are not strongly motivated to ensure this consensus. another topic

that is extremely intertwined with the topic itself, what we were talking about, we are talking about the global peace summit, which will take place next... week, that is, literally a few days, a week remains before it begins, and here on the european truth, colleagues publish an article and say that ukraine.. . perhaps in vain made certain concessions in the actual formula or in the adjustment of the formula of the ukrainian peace formula and left only three points for discussion, that is, three points were left for discussion , that is, according to colleagues, it was done in order to involve a larger number of states, so that the states of the near east, the far... east could join, to involve, conditionally speaking, the countries of the global south, ah, and there are certain

caveats here, which are that ukraine can in this way give a pass, give an opportunity to other players who offer their peace formulas, in particular to the same china, to advance their agenda, that is, a conditional freeze there, or other positions that talk about ... china, well, if we talk about, or both about this, and about the peace summit, itself, that we we expect from him, are there any real grounds for such warnings, in my opinion, they are real, and what the final outcome will be, given that there is one week left, or the final outcome of this summit, i don't think it will be.. . the final result of this summit, i don't think that it was expected, i don't think that it will be at all, well, there will be some kind of decision, some kind

of resolution, the more countries there are at the summit, the more resolution there will be for all good, and it was right to involve as many states as possible, if at all you if you want to hold such meetings as far as possible in as many countries as possible, then yes, and if you want to hold these meetings in the circle of western allies, then you could not start this process at all, but what are your thoughts about what if there is some abbreviated formula to be discussed that will somehow hinder ukrainian positions in the future? in principle, the ukrainian position in the future can be any, we understand that, because it is the ukrainian position, the question is simply whether we do not give the opportunity, for example, to certain players to promote their position, which will not quite coincide with... with the ukrainian one to promote, for example, to other states, will other states not say, well, listen, well,

you see, ukraine came out with a shortened program, ukraine, well, supposedly agrees to some compromises , let's talk about these compromises, maybe this is the problem, i think the problem is different, the problem is that both we and the west are always waiting for russia to be interested in some kind of negotiations, and i assume that russia is not at all not interested in any negotiations, even if in the fall, they will be there in saudi arabia, well, they can come somewhere, no, well, i am again, negotiations on a ceasefire, as it is written in the chinese plan, may be, but this is not a peace formula and there are no such talks about safety and so on, it's generally just that we met and agreed that the fire stops there from a certain hour along the line. everything is possible, possible, although i do not see any need for russia, i believe that once again russia

clearly demonstrates its desire to wear down ukraine in, i would say, in infrastructure, and not only in military terms, why should russia cease fire if winter is ahead, and it is still possible to make ukrainians continue to leave the big cities, if it is possible to see whether there will be heating or electricity. how many people will remain, how many enterprises, you understand that if there is no opportunity to live, then a large number of people will again go abroad. yes yes. russia can solve this problem as well, as a primary, demographic problem. it can end the war when there is simply no living population left. not that she will kill everyone, but will simply force you to leave the territory. and the longer the war goes on, the more this possibility exists. some more blows on thermal power plants, some more. strikes on infrastructure facilities, some more strikes on kharkiv, it is very good that we can

counter this now, this is an absolutely obvious point that we need to counter this, but i want to ask you a simpler thing, what in principle lies the problem of the peace summit, if it actually adopts even a few points. in a situation where all these states they don't bother russia at all, they don't worry, because there is an idea that all the states have gathered, signed the formula, well, all of them. 10 points, all our dreams have come true, but what happens the next day? nothing, well , why, but these states that gathered do not want to support all these, all these formulas, they want half, but nevertheless it will be a diplomatic victory, a large number of leaders gathered, supported ukraine, what difference does it make it says when russia does not care

about what is written there, when even these states, when they support these points, they do not support the idea of ​​interrupting economic... relations with russia, it may be necessary to work on a completely different idea, not the idea of ​​strengthening sanctions against russia, on the idea that the russian side receives fewer opportunities for relations with the countries of the global south, this is really very it would be a serious thing, these are real things, and there are diplomatic efforts, we must clearly understand ... there is no way to impose any formulas on russia, because russia only understands force, here we hit the brain, russia understands, here we are they destroyed the russian oil refinery there, russia understands this, they immediately look for it, but what, how to respond in response, so what else can we destroy here so that we stop, if we respond more strongly, they will respond more strongly, this is a war of attrition, sooner

or later the resources of the parties will be exhausted, and it is important for us that at the time of our exhaustion of the parties to... and russian resources were exhausted to such an extent that russia would also be ready to stop hostilities, everything and so that we could live a certain period in peace before a new war, or before joining to nato, and then in general all this will end once and for all, we understand that from the words of president biden, nothing changes from the point of view of the introduction itself, well , today he is the president, tomorrow he is not the president, we are talking to you about a period of 10, 20, 30, 40 years, this this is a period of confrontation, that 's all, so... i don't have an answer to the question of how this regime of diplomatic decisions should work in our understanding with you, the idea was to gather as many countries as possible at the peace summit, everyone was engaged in this ,

americans, europeans, ukrainians, that's the president zelenskyi's statements... were controversial enough about the war in the middle east, so that - they heard him in the arab countries, they came, because the number of participants is required. russia, in turn, will convene the brics summit, and the foreign ministers will prolong their decisions there. does this have anything to do with the end of the war, none. the end of the war will occur when the parties have no economic demographic. social and political potential to continue military operations, everything, agreed, we continue to fight, but this does not mean that it does not have to be a diplomatic struggle, you see that as soon as we withdraw a little, a chinese plan really appears, such a plan, these plans will not work either, because for russia we are not a state, a separatist territory that must be returned, it is in

russia lives by a different logic, it does not fight as a sovereign state, we fight, but it does not, other states believe that it fights as a sovereign state, but it does not. this is a different life, but it does not mean that we do not have to defend our positions on the international stage, as it can be done, what, what what else, what alternative, a possible alternative would be not to hold a peace summit at the level of heads of state, i agree, but do you remember where this whole idea came from, this idea came about when it was believed that after the ukrainian offensive... russia will want negotiations, and here we offered them the position of the international community, but this was not a ukrainian idea, it was western politicians who thought so, well, if they live in their own world, and the russians live in theirs, and these worlds do not meet, but meet only then, when a western missile hits the russian positions, or a russian missile hits the ukrainian one, that's the only time they meet now, when they tried

to talk, they also didn't do well, remember this conversation between biden and putin, and macron and putin, when... i gave him a lecture on history, well, that's it, we've drifted apart, we've forgotten, they live in the 18th century, we're in the 21st, and they want to delay the 21st, everything in the 18th, that's it, and the whole international situation, it's very simple, i don't see anything negative in the fact that the leaders of the states will meet and at least discuss something, that the very fact of their arrival at this summit is moral support for ukraine, but the position of the west is also, in principle, to exhaust russia, that is, what they are giving now... of course, they, they saw what the situation is in the same kharkiv direction, yes , and they also enable now, essentially. ukraine to inflict certain blows on russia in order to exhaust it, that is, relatively speaking, we have a situation where russia is exhausting our potential,

energy, there gas, any industry, military potential, and in fact the civilized world gives us the opportunity to deplete the russian potential, that is, the fact that we hit their and military targets and their oil. processing plants, their terminals there, all kinds of ports, this also means that we are trying to exhaust them, the question is simply that we, when we talk about the same chinese plan, well, i’m sorry, china may have a million plans with russia, but neither does the west will never stick to this plan, because it will be a huge blow to the west, that is , not only the blow there is political, but it will be a blow... many years in advance a geopolitical blow, because in fact it will be to mean that the west has followed the lead of russia and china and will lose this battle, so it is clear

that they can do their own summit, but no one will ever legally or politically agree to these conditions, there can be a merger of the summits, conditionally speaking , there is a meeting at the level of the president of the united states, the president of the people's republic of china and the king of saudi arabia, the president of france. who are simply agreeing to simply promote a truce, ugh, a truce, and just a cease-fire, the moment when there will already be a complete lack of conditions for life for the population, from a purely humanitarian point of view, such a truce, for which, say, ukraine is negotiating this truce with the usa and france, and russia with china and turkey there. but for this it is necessary to first make the living conditions of the population in both countries intolerable, this is the only possibility to bring to some kind of finalization of the conflict, or putin realizes that he

does not have the resources for a long, high- intensity war, then he also tries to somehow do all this, well, now it seems that he is, at least according to his statements, that he has so far, so far that according to the statements, what are the statements of putin, we need, we need not to count words, but money, so far in... here is another statement of biden , it is interesting, it is that washington does not give the opportunity to hit the united states of america with its weapons in moscow, there is the kremlin, well, as i understand it, according to some such planned objects or cities, and this, relatively speaking, is also a certain red line that they did not cross, maybe on the contrary they did. at first they talked about the fact that it is possible to strike only on the border territories, but now it turns out that in the future they will also cross this conditional they will not cross the red line, no, but

again, it is rather the crossing of another red line, they used to say that you can strike only at border positions, now a certain object has been found that you cannot strike at, you cannot strike at the kremlin there, on putin's residences, on the ministry of defense, on something like that, in general, would penetrate the territory of russia, as i understand it... such logic can be struck, if it is a military object, well, how many 360 km are there, as far as i understand, we were given the opportunity to strike , if this is a military object, why 360, because we have such types of weapons available, we simply do not have others, well, even these kilometers, they very seriously destroy the potential of russia, and create serious problems for the further destruction of the infrastructure of the ukrainian territory, again when putin talks about delay. still wants it to end as soon as possible, well a year, well two, if he understands that it is 10 years, well, he is not a boy, sorry, to wage a multi-year war of attrition without any significant results,

he is absolutely not interested either, he is interested , so that it ends with a result, by itself war is not a result, it is a tool to get an empire, if you don't get an empire, you will get some problems, you also start thinking about how to get out of this situation, it seems to me at least. i am not putin, but it looks so logical, by the way, many experts, well, of course, it is in question here, i have, they are talking about the fact that russia will attack nato there, we have already discussed it here with you, and so they are quite skeptical about this is our attitude to the fact that, in principle, russia can attack any country, even there, let's take it the baltic countries, yes, but they are trying to do this... say, is this a possibility, or is this an exceptional issue at all? well, listen, you just have to really assess the capabilities of the parties. russia can, of course,

strike a blow. on the territory of nato countries. it has such military and technical capabilities. the question is what will happen next? if nato and russia have nuclear weapons, it means that a nuclear conflict between them is excluded. from the point of view of conventional weapons, nato member states, in principle, have an advantage over russia, many hands and times. i remind you again that we are at war with russia for 2.5 years. armed, we will get almost no new equipment, here are all these famous f-16 planes that we are trying so hard to get from the west, these are the planes of the old batches, however, for the most part, and our pilots learn to fly them, pilots of the western air forces you don't need to learn how to fly f-16 aircraft from the new series, they know how, now imagine that russia attacked someone and the army of a nato country simply bombed

its military facilities on the territory. simply because russia has nothing to answer to all of these missiles for all these planes, for all this equipment , they took and bombed everything they could, this is how russia bombed our territory in february, march 2022, a massive strike, nothing remained, a memory of russian military potential, everything is burning, what will russia do , will drop an atomic bomb, so will they drop it too, or will he simply say: oh, you know, we were wrong, let's talk about... er, de-escalation of the situation in europe already on whose terms? this is the story of slobodan milosevic, who did everything and did everything until they started bombing him. again, if they didn't have nuclear weapons, putin could feel free, but they do. he can only threaten us, he cannot threaten them. again, their technique is stronger. well, let's even imagine that his contingent will be stationed in latvia. well,

there is nothing good about it. for housing, we are not talking about this, whether in lithuania, whether the suval corridor will be cut, well, milosevic's troops were in kosovo all the time, while there was a nato operation against serbia, they were stationed in kosovo, and what, at that time in serbia and everything in montenegro was burning with a blue flame, well, it will be the same for russia , understand, andrei, so when our experts talk about how putin can attack nato countries, they do not take into account such a moment, whether the russian army can capture one or two baltic countries, maybe they are small countries with small populations, maybe she will take them over, and at this time there will be a nato operation against russia, if there is no, it will be the collapse of the united states, and the united states cannot afford to collapse, because it another economic collapse, this is the collapse of everything, the dollar, economy, after that you can join china, and the russians understand this very well, and there will be a demonstrative whipping, demonstrative, but on...

no one will shoot at the kremlin, the kremlin will be all beautiful, you can stand, walk, go to, as it were it is called, to the rubber, and there on the big screens you see the message that the airfield in engels is destroyed, and in 15 minutes the airfield in mazdok is destroyed, comrade, and in 15 minutes, the military unit of the hf 17. 05 is flying, can you wrap me these wonderful, so to speak, overalls from the company chinese hello, because somehow you want to put them under your pants against the background of such information, this is how it will be, even putin can go for a walk to the rubber at this moment, no one will touch him, if you think that putin is such an idiot that he cannot calculate these simple things, then you are wrong, russia always attacks the weak.

mind you, they used to deal with a strong enemy, if they miscalculated and considered someone weak to be weaker than he is, what happened in the russian-ukrainian war, and in the war with japan, and in the wars with turkey, when there was weakness, russia immediately lost all its opportunities and potential, whether they were involved in long wars, but of course, you know, great valor to... fall on small georgia, which has a smaller population than some russian regions and show what heroes we are here , like them, the heroes, the hero is not a person who tries to fight with a child, and shows that this little child, he is running away from her and wants to negotiate peace somehow, it doesn't matter if you have 140 million or 120 million in your country and nuclear power and whatever, and you start a war with

the country 2-3 million population is simple.