glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout the broadcast we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about whether we are allowed to criticize the government during the war, maybe the question is too banal and the answer may be banal, but yes or no, put your marks on youtube and ... vote, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phones, vote if you think it's acceptable to criticize the government during war, 0800-211381, no 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote. our guest today is roman bezsmertny, politician, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine to belarus in 2000. 10-11 years, people's deputy of several

previous convocations, former deputy head of yushchenko's presidential office. mr. roman, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. this. we will have a long conversation today, but i propose to start our conversation and our communication with the summit, or rather, not the summit, but the conference with restoration of ukraine, which has begun. in germany, the day before we witnessed the demarche of the head of the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine , mustafa nayem, the prime minister did not sign a permit for him to participate in this conference, that is, he simply could not leave ukraine, although this is the profile of mustafa nayem. at the same time, using this, naim accused.

of prime minister shmyhal in the fact that the prime minister is disrupting the work of the agency on restoration, on the construction of shelters over tes and hydroelectric power stations, on the construction of roads in the front-line zones, well, in a word, this is enough there was a loud resignation, mustafa nayema ​​will obviously accept this resignation, but i will say it again, it happened before this. century conference on the restoration of ukraine. how does it look, mr. roman, for our western partners, considering that first kubrakov left, who oversaw all these issues, and now mustafa nayem. mr. serhiy, it should be added that mustafa nayem addressed the well-known publication guardian, which reported this whole story that you retold, including... including

the reasons, not the reason for his resignation either described, and this material, it caused an unpleasant reaction, to put it mildly, but what can be said about this case in europe, and it reached, including the united states of america, and in fact, in this material published by the guardian, several serious the reasons for the resignation, they are related to the investors' return of the funds that they had contracted and the obligations to return which occurred, well, let's say this, direct and indirect hints at certain signs of corruption in this system, the activities of this system, first, secondly, what is discussed in ukraine. the reason for the resignation is

that the agency did not submit reports, well, this is already, let's say, the internal kitchen, production in the system of executive authorities, but in general this situation is very unpleasant, because when you read the headline there is a conference on restoration issues, and right there it is written , that the head of the recovery agency resigned, well, one thing happened... and in connection with the fact that the conference is very loud, informative, ah, served in europe, especially, then ah, these all circles are informative, they are much larger in europe than in ukraine, caused, actually, by the resignation, i emphasize this, caused not by the conference, but actually by the resignation of mustafa nayem. now a few words about... the importance of this conference, well, this is

the first conference in which those who conceived it, those who gave birth to this idea, do not participate. those who worked on this idea at the start, and in fact, probably everyone noticed that on the eve of the conference , a new delegation was formed by decree of the president, so we can say that there was a personnel change in this process, what does it mean will lead, well, it will be necessary to watch and evaluate the situation over time. now, many may have the impression that we... are talking about some virtual thing, a conference on the restoration of ukraine, when we are in the conditions of a hot confrontation, a hot war, and an unprecedented war, in modern times, in terms of its

scope, in terms of numbers the use of weapons, tactics, strategy, well, i'm not talking about the meanness of the enemy, which is the racist... regime, but at the same time it should be understood that this conference is solving much more than the current and everyday issues than strategic things related to the end of the war and the restoration of ukraine. the fact is that even today a number of documents were signed that related to such a unique phenomenon in wartime conditions as investor insurance. which, including private ones, who will invest in ukraine, military, so-called military insurance in case of damage and damage and destruction of those material resources that will be placed

by investors and so on, i.e. somewhere approximately a system is being created, which in the current conditions is used in israel, that is, it is created in... conditions when the investor has no fear of investing funds and the possible destruction of his resources, what material resources he will create on the territory of ukraine. i'm not talking about things that are related to the restoration of the power system, infrastructure, current, which is a colossal problem in the current conditions, and allocated for it. additional separate resources, including another announcement of a 50-billion-dollar fund that will operate within the framework of the european community. however, i can't help but pass by the issue that is related

to a strategic decision, with ukraine's accession to the european union, this conference is actually one of the mechanisms for working out the tools. in order to make this road as easy as possible, well, current things are what was said in particular in the speech of german chancellor scholz about the next aid package, and about aid packages, including what was said at the bilateral meetings of the president with the leaders of european states, they are connected with new air defense systems, with additional weapons, ammunition. for of ukraine, that is, if it is so brief about what happened today, well , president zelensky thanked germany, olaf scholz for the air defense systems provided, and noted that ukraine needs more means for better protection against russian missile terror. let's listen to what zelensky said.

thank you for patriots, iris, other tools that are literally salvation for ukraine. we managed to provide partial... protection against russian airstrikes, we have and can do more, we need it at least these patriot systems, additionally, to close our main urban agglomerations in the near future, roman petrovich, tell me, well, of course, zelensky can talk a lot and thank our western partners, this conference on recovery. and what about our western partners, what should be done to restore trust, to say that all these publications in the american press, in the british press, about corruption, about the usurpation of power by one of

zelenskyi's closest entourage, that this not at all is true, or if it is true, there is a certain necessity, how our western partners can... restore trust, full trust in the ukrainian leadership and be more likely to take more favorable steps towards ukraine. mr. serhiy, it is very difficult with this, and today, here is what is happening, and the help that is going, it is going only because in the west in the united states of america, they understand, realize, see and appreciate that heroic resistance, which is done by the ukrainian people, the armed forces of ukraine, and therefore it is as if puts himself ahead of everything, but... including, it is necessary to understand that in theta-tet conversations,

which are becoming more and more heated, they are discussed, including those things that you have voiced, which are related to materials, which are published in the western press, in the ukrainian press, regarding cases of corruption, regarding moments that are connected with unconstitutional or with actions that have signs of not'. constitutionality or illegality and so on, all this is quite actively discussed in the west, in the western press, at the same time, ah, the european establishment, the establishment of civilized states, he distinguishes between the behavior of the establishment and the behavior of society, and actually, today, especially among the european elite, it is valued. actually the stability of the ukrainian people, the stability of the armed forces, the people's devotion

to the values ​​of the ukrainian state, european values, and here it is important to understand one more thing: today ukraine, in fact, in this situation after the elections to the european parliament, it is extremely necessary, as well as an ally, and assistant, and if you will, well... a resource for europe, because in this situation, when now discussions will begin regarding the next five years, ah, it is already obvious and clear that those political forces will lead the period, which will rely on the need to support ukraine, on the union with ukraine, and so on. by the way, i can tell you that in this regard there is... a misunderstanding, or if you look at the press of the united states

of america and separately the european press today, then the objective assessment of exactly this fragment of the next five-year period in the fate of the european union and the role here is ukraine, but there is a definite one inconsistency in assessments and so on. at the same time, it can be seen that those political forces that advocated a... union with ukraine, commonwealth with ukraine, aid to ukraine, they increased in these elections, and their assets are growing, including in national a polls and so on. and it is very important to understand that ah, european societies are becoming more active. remember, two years ago it was possible to say that the establishment, the european elite understood the need for help, but now... the turning point is coming, when in general, the european voter is aware of

the threat of russia and the role that the ukrainian community, the ukrainian armed forces, ukraine as a state is currently playing in this process, and this issue, which is connected there with all the negative things that can be traced, that remain in the european press , it seems to recede into the background, and... and i emphasize this once again, ukraine is becoming more and more necessary, and ukrainian society, the ukrainian armed forces in europe, it is important not to omit this in the current situation, and this is the first and secondly, to monitor the information space, so that it is not once again an umbrella wave that will be released from rashistan, well, rashistan, roman petrovich, is trying to shake it up now. history and tell about what they say look at what happened in france, what

happened in germany with the elections to the european parliament, today they already wrote that with early elections to the national assembly in france, after these elections, macron will also resign , as his party may not get the appropriate votes, or shall we say, not be the leader of this race, and they are trying to breed conspiracies all day today, although it is clear that moscow is trying to pass off wishful thinking, and what is happening in france, as well as with the elections to the european parliament in general, shows that, after all, the forces , who support ukraine, they will be in the majority in the european parliament, and they will continue to support ukraine. the head of the european commission, ursula fonderley, has already confirmed that ukraine has completed all the necessary steps to

start negotiations on joining the eu by the end of this month. let's hear what she said. ukraine has completed all the steps that we have identified, and that is why we believe that the eu should start accession negotiations with ukraine by the end of this month. if we look at these elections, which formed the european parliament for the next 5 years, and the statements made by ursula funderlay and not only that. she, does this mean that in the interval between 24 and 29 years ukraine has a chance to become a member of the european union? and i will say unequivocally, and then i will explain, so and so it will happen. i want to tell you that literally these days, the world is covered by a wave

coming from moscow, moreover, for some reason it is supported part of the analysts of the united states of america about the tragedy of the consequences of the elections to the european parliament for some reason, well, i will give you an example so that it is clear what we are talking about, the victory in germany, the cdu, the ksu is considered a disaster. well, if there is no scholz, but there will be a supporter and a representative of the cdu, the csu will be the chancellor of germany, then only germany and ukraine will benefit from this, and... may chancellor scholz give me a favor, but the traffic lights that are currently working in germany , it is really, well, not adjusted, that is automatic mode, he makes clear interruptions, now with france, i understand that his party of revival is important for president macron, but if you sit down and know

mathematics like the first grade and combine there ... liberal forces, then they scored 43% in total, and marie lippin with the national front is only 37, but for some reason this is not noticed, and the reason here is actually the emotions of emmanuel macron himself and his narrow party interest, which concerns his ambitions regarding the role and place of the revival party, as a liberal party and in france, and in europe. to whom the union, and this is the case when you have to look at the interests of the state, and not at your own interests. to be honest, when i listened to his emotional speech after the end of the elections and the first results, i do not yet know such a president in the history of france who so emotionally assessed

his own miscalculations, and could not distinguish the shortcomings of the work of the revival party. from the interests of france, because that is why it seems to me that there is simply a certain internal problem that the french will solve, and from the current situation it is very far from what and the national front can win, i'm not saying lipen in the elections, especially since i think that all experts know that lipen actually quit from the union in the european parliament are identical. and democracy, this is the right-wing forces, an alternative for germany from germany, she simply stated ultimatum, as long as there is an alternative for germany here, and there is no national front, this is firstly, secondly, pay attention to how she changed marie lippin's position on france's aid to ukraine, she supported

the same macron in france staff helped. of ukraine, so we still need to see where it is moving there and how it is moving. when i read now the conclusions of many analytical centers, for some reason it seems like a simple tragedy. moreover, it is stated that germany and france, as the foundation of europe, will fall into a trance. well, i would like to say to these analysts, take a pencil, please, and just count the votes, how they are distributed there. hence, it is obvious that in order to... in order to, let's say , objectively evaluate this situation, it is necessary that those who are now making a fuss, well , some of them do not understand what happened, and some of them are clearly playing along. to the moscow führer or perform certain work for a fee, so here one must always distinguish the truth from all kinds of lies, and

sometimes from subversive information work. to this day, i am sure that if a person in an analytical article, forgive me, mr. serhiy, for his emotions, takes and puts tusk's group with the civil platform and melons with the brothers of italy in a one-to-one relationship, then i understand that this person simply does not see and doesn * t know elementary things of the ideological positioning of european parties, how can she draw a conclusion based on what will happen to france or what will happen to germany tomorrow, well , such things as i have already said about the cdu, csu, they are simply shocking, well what a tragedy it is for germany, the cdu, the csu, especially for ukraine, when the current position of the cdu, csu parliamentary faction is to immediately provide... long-range missile complexes and increase the supply of weapons and ammunition to ukraine. here is the truth, and i fully support it

your position that now it is necessary to monitor what lies will now begin to pour in a stream from the moscow führer. well, the moscow fuhrer and his entire clique, they are now talking not only about the elections to the european parliament and we can see how they are trying to form an opinion. that the next, or the summit that should take place in four days, the global peace summit in switzerland will not give any results, they are already forming their concept of some so -called peace summit there, and beijing is also playing along with moscow in this situation, while the minister of foreign affairs of switzerland, ignazio cassis, said that the global peace summit is only the first step on the way to... the peace process between ukraine and russia, when it is his turn, russia will have to take part in it. let's hear what the swiss foreign minister had to say. if you expect

a guarantee, you better stay home before the conference starts. a peace conference in which the two warring parties are not present is only the first step in the peace process. it would be wrong to pretend that on saturday night we we can achieve peace. there is no peace process without russia. will be, i think this is an illusion, and this should be clearly stated, so now the question is not whether russia will be included in the negotiations, but when it will be included. roman petrovych, they in switzerland, as i understand it, also have the illusion that they will sit the ukrainian side, the russian side at the transition table, and there will be 90 participants from different countries and organizations, and only under such conditions will it be agreed on peace, isn't this the wrong way in this situation, because zelenskyi is trying to form or strengthen an anti-putin coalition, and this anti-putin

coalition will definitely not sit at the same table with lavrov or with putin, is that right? mr. serhiy, i think you remember our first conversations about the summit, how i was very pessimistic about its prospects, and i can... tell you that my constructivism now consists only in the fact that if you have already gone to this process, it is necessary to squeeze the maximum that is possible out of it, and in this case, one should also cling to the words of the swiss minister that this the beginning, this is the first step, but in this movement, well, in principle, i do not see, in principle, i do not see dialogue. not only between ukraine and russia, this is quite understandable, of course, and from the point of view of all factors absolutely impossible today, i do not see in this process even

a dialogue between the fuhrer of moscow and the leaders of the west, whichever of them you take, pay attention , that there are no longer these phone chats that used to be, well, two or three times a month. and at the chancellor of germany and the president of france, i am not saying all of them others, with whom the führer talks, he talks with his cronies who carry out his tasks, such as orban, and it can be seen how he periodically breaks off the leash and rushes now at ukraine, then at the european union, then at someone else and so on further, you can see those who are running for the voice of europe. and there he talks about how bad the european union is and so on, at the same time he quickly runs for office to become the next mep and so on, so in this

case, based on the current one. situation, once this process has already been started, it is necessary to obtain the maximum that can be the maximum in this situation, yes, 141 countries will be among those who voted for it, remember the resolution of the un general assembly in february 2023, which in fact completely chose the so-called initiatives of zelensky or the initiatives of ukraine with the exception of one point. only ukraine's membership in nato, because as we understand very well, the general assembly does not decide on ukraine's membership in nato. since it has already happened that there will be 90 and three questions out of 10 that are being discussed have been decided, then the first thing you need to get as much as possible a text that would show the need to ensure nuclear

safety and food safety is necessary and needed by all. security and d) observance of humanitarian law even during war, this is the basis of the foundations, further, it is obvious that the content, spirit, and text of the conference should be the ultimate position of the civilized world against the moscow führer, his clique and the military. the ultimate position, i insist on this, so that it becomes clear to everyone what to say to the criminal. an international criminal who steals children, who deals with and receives decisions that have signs of genocide in relation to the ukrainian people and the entire population of ukraine and so on are inadmissible, and there is only one way to solve problems in relation to such people, well and so on, including speeches that should be on conferences, they should be filled

with appropriate content. including continuing to work on the continuation of this conference or reclassifying it into a permanent conference and so on so that it can work, including decisions, which are related, let's say, related to the holding of the international tribunal, let 's say this, the decision of the international criminal court to issue a warrant. on the arrest of putin, it exists, but they are beginning to forget about him, no, we must not forget about him, we must remember and do everything to ensure that this decision is implemented and so on, that is, the decision of the un general assembly is binding, about it must be remembered and everything must be done so that it is fulfilled, and not a decision made and forgotten, because then it does not matter in principle which body makes this decision, it will still not be

implemented, henceforth. these, in this matter, there must be order, a decision made, it must be implemented, including by the general assembly, including the conference that will be held, and it must be followed, for this it is necessary not only to create papers and write, it is necessary the mechanisms that would ensure their implementation, that's roughly what i would, say, propose from the point of view of holding this conference, and once you've gone for it, you have to... get the most out of it, what you're saying, roman petrovych, means that russia will never be at this conference in switzerland, that is , there can be no two opinions here, and yet our western partners are somehow trying to lead us into thinking that sooner or later we will have to agree on something there, while at the same time we we see how beijing is in the mouth of foreign minister

vaani. says that they have a plan, a peace plan, regarding ukraine, and they are ready to hold an almost alternative meeting there, and probably this will push beijing, the kremlin, so that some, some alternative this was because, in principle, what is happening in switzerland in a few days is a loud slap to russia in general, no matter how it is, no matter how this forum ends, or the summit, no matter how... it ends, but this is a humiliation and putin, and lavov, and in general, well, people show that, well, they do not want to see them there yet, it would be desirable that they were never seen there at all, how likely is it that moscow and beijing will manage to increase the circle of supporters around them and from the south from the global south and countries that are in...